Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 16 Sep 2013 21:03

Aah gents how long with Advani ji ?
NaMo is now the leader. Its decided and there is no going back. For all purposes Advani ji is now a retiree.

Even then If he can be kept as talking point in brf , paid media need not even break a sweat to keep Advani vs Modi going on in mainstream discourse.

Time to polish the past leader to a sparkle and keep him in the showcase and forget he is there.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 16 Sep 2013 21:07

That discussion is being kept alive by some vested interests, before and after the NaMo announcement. This has nothing to with matter at hand, about any of BJP leaders.

It is about a need to bad mouth BJP and its leaders (under the guise of supporting NaMo) -- and showing BJP as a divided confused house unable to stand up to the congress.

sum · Post by **sum** » 16 Sep 2013 21:15

Did Praveen Swami also get a part of the Rs 500 Cr JWT contratc from INC. Cant beleive he wrote such a brain-dead article:
Why Modi’s speech is vanilla sold as red hot chilli peppers

by Praveen Swami Sep 16, 2013

“No ******** ever won a war by dying for his country,” the great general George S Patton told the soldiers of the United States army’s Armoured Division as they prepared for the final offensive into Nazi-held Europe which would claim so many of their lives. “You win it by making the other poor, dumb ******** die for his country.” This Sunday gone by, Gujarat chief minister and aspiring prime minister Narendra Modi rightly saluted the sacrifices of India’s soldiers. He lavished praise on Haryana for giving a hundred martyrs, and more, in at least three of India’s major wars. The thing is, Modi had very little to say on precisely how he intends to make India’s adversaries die for their country.

Am sure INC had such inspiring words that folks are waiting to enlist the army, as per Swami's logic!

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 16 Sep 2013 21:21

INC plan is simple, they want the enemy to dies by either laughing on us or by having pity on us. Does BJP has that plan. When they behead our soldier we send them dossiers of Coal Scam paper hoping the ISIS officer seeing it will die laughing or we grant special visa to their cricket team so that out of pity some of them will blow themselves up. Modi has no vision, he is polarizing, he killed 20,000 people in 2002, he personally ripped a womb (ask Arundhati), India is a poor country where 70% of the people do not have access to loo (ask BBC), I am default programmed leader of India (ask RG)...

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 16 Sep 2013 21:29

official reactions on modi becoming bjp's PM candidate.
http://greatbong.net/2013/09/13/reactio ... candidate/

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 16 Sep 2013 21:33

Muzaffarnagar violence: PM promises to push Communal Violence Bill

http://www.firstpost.com/india/muzaffar ... 12909.html

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 16 Sep 2013 21:50

Chandrababu lauds NDA rule, slams Congress 'for pushing the country into crisis'

Telugu Desam President N Chandrababu Naidu today commended the "good" work that had happened done during NDA rule but declined to commit if his party would return to BJP-led NDA fold even as he attacked Congress and UPA.

"There is a national crisis now. We have to first save the country by wiping out Congress as it is the main culprit that pushed the country into crisis," Chandrababu told reporters here this afternoon.

He claimed the UPA government, since its first term, "reaped the fruits of all the good" that had happened during NDA rule between 1999 and 2004.

"The UPA-2 is steeped in corruption and scandals because of which the systems collapsed and (it) pushed the country into the crisis. UPA-2 has become a curse for the country," the former Chief Minister alleged.

Asked whether TDP would realign with NDA, with BJP naming Narendra Modi as its Prime Ministerial candidate, the TDP supremo said it was not the time to talk about politics or Modi.

During his public meeting in Hyderabad last month, the Gujarat Chief Minister had made an overture towards TDP, saying the party which inherited the legacy of the legendary NTR should join forces to dislodge Congress from power.

Chandrababu today charged "India is facing a peculiar situation. Congress is the villain that is responsible for the crisis. It's the main culprit. We have to see that Congress is totally wiped out."

http://m.indianexpress.com/news/chandra ... s/1169955/

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 16 Sep 2013 21:50

Sanku wrote:That discussion is being kept alive by some vested interests, before and after the NaMo announcement. This has nothing to with matter at hand, about any of BJP leaders.

It is about a need to bad mouth BJP and its leaders (under the guise of supporting NaMo) -- and showing BJP as a divided confused house unable to stand up to the congress.

You are taking Drishti-Shristi Vada to the extreme.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 16 Sep 2013 21:55

Sushupti wrote:You are taking Drishti-Shristi Vada to the extreme.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 16 Sep 2013 21:58

Sushupti wrote:Muzaffarnagar violence: PM promises to push Communal Violence Bill

http://www.firstpost.com/india/muzaffar ... 12909.html

This bill will be a litmus test for Modi. How BJP manages the opposition view point will be watched by everyone.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 16 Sep 2013 22:05

The many challenges before Narendra Modi

The selection of Narendra Modi as the prime ministerial candidate of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) could fill the inevitable leadership vacuum in the party after the gradual decline of Atal Bihari Vajpayee and Lal Krishna Advani, the two men who were at its helm for nearly four decades.
The BJP has had no shortage of regional leaders as well as national strategists, but it had nobody with the countrywide appeal of Vajpayee and Advani. Much has been made of the Advani rebellion, but the events of the past week are far less disruptive than what happened when the trio of Vajpayee, Advani and Nanaji Deshmukh took control of the old Bharatiya Jana Sangh after the sudden death of Deen Dayal Upadhyay in 1968. The power struggle then was intense, and only ended when Balraj Madhok was expelled from the party.
Narendra Modi seems to have a smoother ride, what with the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh as well as the cadre behind him. The next stage of his quest for national leadership will be more challenging. Modi has to make a mark in the 2014 election. He has his task cut out. The vote share of the BJP has been declining since 1998.
The link between vote share and seats is wobbly in a complicated polity such as ours, with a surfeit of players in the election game.
A larger vote share need not necessarily translate into more parliamentary seats but sometimes a small gain in vote share could lead to non-linear gains in seats.
Yet, it is useful to remember that the Congress party got 30 million more votes than the BJP in 2009.
The BJP led by Modi will need to increase its vote share quite dramatically if it is to be in a good bargaining position after the election. Some estimates suggest that the party needs to push up its vote share by around nine percentage points if it is to get around 230 seats in the next general election, and by a further three percentage points if it is to make the half-way mark on its own. That seems a tall order, though many within the party are banking on a Modi wave. The massive turnout at his recent rally in Jaipur is being held up as a trailer of what is to follow.
It seems more likely that Modi will also have to begin to reach out to potential allies, since the National Democratic Alliance is now a shadow of its old self in terms of the number of parties in it.
There has already been a political realignment ever since Modi made his pitch for a national role, with the parting of ways with Nitish Kumar being the most prominent.
Other regional satraps such as Mamata Banerjee have also indicated that they will not ally with a BJP led by Modi.
This is the fundamental dilemma that Modi will have to grapple with in the months ahead. He has risen to national prominence because of the worshipful support he gets from his core constituency. The realities of Indian national politics will force him to seek a wider support base—either directly with different types of voters or with the parties that represent them.
Modi will have to balance one against the other, not necessarily an easy task. The voting numbers will demand such as repositioning.
Modi is a resourceful politician, who has already begun to widen his support base in recent years. He has projected himself as a man obsessed with the development of his state even as he has maintained his stranglehold on his core constituency.
Such a balancing act will be very useful when he seeks allies, both in pre-poll alliances as well as more practical deals struck after the elections. But he is up against the very effective political managers of the Congress. His supporters hope for some magic combination of a Modi wave and tough political bargaining with potential allies to see the BJP home in 2014.
Modi’s next moves will be against a backdrop that offers several advantages for him: there is public anger against the Manmohan Singh government, the economy is weak, inflation has been intolerably high for many years and there are communal tensions in some states.
There have also been structural shifts in the political battleground, especially the growing number of young voters, rapid urbanization and a more aspirational nation.
How Modi crafts his election campaign to leverage these advantages remains to be seen.

A decent summary.
Mint is doing fairly balanced stuff on politics these days.

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 16 Sep 2013 22:19

Just like Mao some body should clean up the country incest infested DDM arms dealers, politico babu nexus and some in the higher echelons of the forces, please read the post by Rohit ji in the Indian Army

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 16 Sep 2013 23:14

UP, Bihar and AP are critical for Modi to get to the PM gaddi...UP and AP together can swing the election..

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 16 Sep 2013 23:15

बेटी प्रतिभा लेती हैं आडवाणी के राजनीतिक फैसले!

Pratibha Advani manipulating her father?

http://www.patrika.com/news/pratibha-ad ... VY.twitter

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 16 Sep 2013 23:40

Karan M wrote:UP, Bihar and AP are critical for Modi to get to the PM gaddi...UP and AP together can swing the election..

Please add Maharashtra too. Has 48 seats and NDA can win as high as 38 of the 48 if they plan well and get the alliance equation right.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 16 Sep 2013 23:48

American Consulate General Peter Haas on Gujarat visit

American Consulate General Peter Haas today was on Gujarat visit again. He attended American quiz event at Amdavad Management Association.

In earlier years, American envoy used to meet Chief Minister during Gujarat visit. But for last some years, Gujarat Chief Minister doesn’t give appointment to American envoy.

Mr. envoy therefore meets Chief Secretary and leaves.

While people to people relations are excellent between Gujarat and America, there is complete break down when it comes to political relations.

America funded NGOs work openly against Narendra Modi. Every now and then, American envoys give statements over Modi’s visa issue and insult him and the state of Gujarat. This when Modi has not sought visa, and in no mood to seek it at all.

In pictures you can see American consulate’s visit to Muslim school in Ahmedabad. American envoy never misses visiting Muslims while visiting Ahmedabad. In past Peter Haas had visited so called riot affected people in so called relief camps.

http://deshgujarat.com/2013/09/16/ameri ... videopics/

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 17 Sep 2013 00:00

Even more disgraceful if advancing like leader is manipulated by daughters and grand daughters

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 17 Sep 2013 00:21

muraliravi wrote:
Karan M wrote:UP, Bihar and AP are critical for Modi to get to the PM gaddi...UP and AP together can swing the election..
Please add Maharashtra too. Has 48 seats and NDA can win as high as 38 of the 48 if they plan well and get the alliance equation right.

Yes, but I didn't include Mah, MP and the others because there is some hope there...these 3 seem to be the one where we have either very little info or a lot of opposition to Modi. In AP I don't know what the strategy will be..in UP, the UP Muslims appear all set to screw India over their religious identity and elect all sorts of appeasers..Bihar, still a bit of flux..

Wonder what NaMo will do in all 3..

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 17 Sep 2013 00:22

Sushupti ji, i mentioned this about MMS..a few years ago.

MMS i feel is also influenced by his daughter who's into this SAJA and UCLA liberal bandwagon. There is an intrinsic hate of Indic/ dharmic i that group.

BTW when people become older >70 or so..it's the children specially the oes that have an exuberance is some cause that influence with vehemence the older dad who's much more pensive.

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... r#p1098851

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 17 Sep 2013 00:22

Sushupti wrote:American Consulate General Peter Haas on Gujarat visit

American Consulate General Peter Haas today was on Gujarat visit again. He attended American quiz event at Amdavad Management Association.

In earlier years, American envoy used to meet Chief Minister during Gujarat visit. But for last some years, Gujarat Chief Minister doesn’t give appointment to American envoy.

Mr. envoy therefore meets Chief Secretary and leaves.

While people to people relations are excellent between Gujarat and America, there is complete break down when it comes to political relations.

America funded NGOs work openly against Narendra Modi. Every now and then, American envoys give statements over Modi’s visa issue and insult him and the state of Gujarat. This when Modi has not sought visa, and in no mood to seek it at all.

In pictures you can see American consulate’s visit to Muslim school in Ahmedabad. American envoy never misses visiting Muslims while visiting Ahmedabad. In past Peter Haas had visited so called riot affected people in so called relief camps.

http://deshgujarat.com/2013/09/16/ameri ... videopics/

Yeah bombed the sh1t out of Muslims ww, killed more of them than the Mongol horde, and chal pade hain to be Islam ke saviours...

He should be greeted with protests about Iraq everywhere and be given appointment with the chai wallah in front of the sansad..

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 17 Sep 2013 00:56

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 17 Sep 2013 01:04

Well Americans are very clear about their interest in India. Their interest lies in doing everything everywhere and in every possible manner to have weak governments around the world. Modi does not fit in their description by any measure and they very well know that India will make a massive shift in foreign policy towards east when/if he comes to power. So they try every trick in book to belittle and fuel anti modi propaganda. Nothing wrong everyone in Gujarat knows about this, people in Gujarat are way too intelligent to be fooled by consulate babus who at best have average American IQ. Lol

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 17 Sep 2013 01:09

it is easy to block khan mindsets.. they are all programmed to work in a certain way onlee. just put a hinder in the process on their side, everything goes tizzy!

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 17 Sep 2013 01:13

Are the Amreeki babooze in State Dept browning their undies on the prospect of Nami becoming PM? The hated "Hindu Nationalist"? Hai toba, this one is ELECTED democratically as well.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 17 Sep 2013 01:13

Sushupti wrote:

I disagree. Every turn towards national interests is good.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 17 Sep 2013 01:15

why are you retweeting here yamar? is she having a handle here?

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 17 Sep 2013 01:16

Even Bakis are mesmerized with Gujarat

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 17 Sep 2013 01:17

I dont know what is the point of beating Adani ji now, when one can easily beat MMS, Rajmata, Yuvraj for what they did or did not do today. Some people have lost on what team they are on.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 17 Sep 2013 01:20

RamaY wrote:
Sushupti wrote:
I disagree. Every turn towards national interests is good.

Let us agree to disagree. I don't know how one can reconcile the vision of "Congress Mukta Bharat" with "Congress Yukta BJP" .

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 17 Sep 2013 01:21

Its like Indian ambassador to US visiting a minority area only while cancelling out tourist VISA of CM elected of that state in US no. Would US allow such a thing. Is he telling kids that future is bright for ones working in US funded programs of any kind.. or trying to have excuses for mismanagement of VISA issue here.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 17 Sep 2013 01:28

fanne wrote:I dont know what is the point of beating Adani ji now, when one can easily beat MMS, Rajmata, Yuvraj for what they did or did not do today. Some people have lost on what team they are on

.

+1^ Advani has effectively rendered himself irrelevant. People who want to keep on making him relevant, rather than focusing on the much bigger battle at hand, would seem to be serving a pro-Congress agenda. Whether it is Sudheendra Kulkarni or individuals on this forum, whether they are claiming to speak in support of Advani or against him... speaking about him at all is a needless, and indeed suspicious diversion from far more important matters.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 17 Sep 2013 01:29

Re vishvak..I just loath the hypocrisy. .killing muslims by the bushel thanks to all sorts of idiotic interventions and then meddling in another nations internal affairs.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 17 Sep 2013 01:35

fanne wrote:I dont know what is the point of beating Adani ji now, when one can easily beat MMS, Rajmata, Yuvraj for what they did or did not do today. Some people have lost on what team they are on.

True - Stop beating on the side you want to win

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 17 Sep 2013 01:37

If I am not mistaken, US shipped off thousands of pakis after 9/11 terror attacks off US. Dont know where they landed. US keeps ideological troubles off its shores forget mainlands unlike Europe or say India. It doesn't matter to US where ideological troubles or contradictions are because its never inside US.

Indirectly it also means US won't pay much to keep pot boiling even in its own name - the first thing is to keep pot boiling and keep it away from its shores.

Up to 45,000 of the estimated 100,000-strong Pakistani community in New York were deported or left voluntarily following the attacks, according to reports

link

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 17 Sep 2013 01:40

Yeah they will burn up other countries shores, spread discird via conversions, but have their diplomats behave like mughals plus Florence nightingale. ..amazing chutzpah

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Sep 2013 02:10

harbans wrote:Sushupti ji, i mentioned this about MMS..a few years ago.

MMS i feel is also influenced by his daughter who's into this SAJA and UCLA liberal bandwagon. There is an intrinsic hate of Indic/ dharmic i that group.
BTW when people become older >70 or so..it's the children specially the oes that have an exuberance is some cause that influence with vehemence the older dad who's much more pensive.
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... r#p1098851

There are many people in Dilli who will vouch for this hatred. This man indulge in cutting the nose to spite the face.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 17 Sep 2013 02:12

Really? That bad? I had thought he was yet another left leaning opportunist interested in just his own advancement.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 17 Sep 2013 02:13

Jarita wrote:
fanne wrote:I dont know what is the point of beating Adani ji now, when one can easily beat MMS, Rajmata, Yuvraj for what they did or did not do today. Some people have lost on what team they are on.

True - Stop beating on the side you want to win

More out of frustration than anything else. He wasted far too much of Modi and hence BJPs time. If this had been done a few months earlier, so much time would have been saved and Modi would have begun his work that much earlier.

LKA wasn't that bad earlier. Its just time that has allowed him to lose his sense of perspective.

Varsha Bhosle on LKA
http://hindunet.org/hvk/articles/0198/0047.html

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 17 Sep 2013 02:34

Karan M wrote:
Jarita wrote:{quote="fanne"}I dont know what is the point of beating Adani ji now, when one can easily beat MMS, Rajmata, Yuvraj for what they did or did not do today. Some people have lost on what team they are on.{/quote}

True - Stop beating on the side you want to win
More out of frustration than anything else. He wasted far too much of Modi and hence BJPs time. If this had been done a few months earlier, so much time would have been saved and Modi would have begun his work that much earlier.

LKA wasn't that bad earlier. Its just time that has allowed him to lose his sense of perspective.

Varsha Bhosle on LKA
http://hindunet.org/hvk/articles/0198/0047.html

Sirjee,

late Varsha Bhosle, RIP.

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 17 Sep 2013 02:45

Boss log my paranoia is about internal sabotage
The Trojans ang group loyalties need to be watched
First win like IG then put all elders like nijalingappa
Sanjeeva Reddy Kamraj equivalents LKg
Sushma kulkarni et ak on social in security once NaMo crosses the bridge too far now