Indo-Israel: News and Discussion

[RajeshA]

X-Posting from 'Non-Western Worldview' Thread

For whatever its worth

Is There A Connection Between
Ancient Indian And Hebrew Language? A scholar finds compelling evidence for ancient Indian influence on a global scale.

Rony ji,

I think there is a lot of potential in this theory that the Jews are basically Indian tribes who migrated West. Some comparisons from the article.

In the following list, all references to Indian tribes, castes, subcastes, and places will be listed at the left. Biblical and Hebrew names will be listed after each Indian word, accompanied by their biblical references. You will note that the comparative words are either identical or nearly identical. The differences are trivial. Even a non-linguist can notice that all these words sprang from the same source. The similarities are too abundant to be coincidental. Wanting to remain as conservative as possible, I present only a partial list. However, as conservative and brief as this list is, I believe I have presented enough examples to convince anyone that India did, indeed, at one time dominate in Bible Land.

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Tribes, Castes, and Subcastes
Abri       - Ibri (1 Chr. 24-27)
Amal       - Amal (1 Chr. 7:35).
Asaul      - Asahel (2 Chr. 17:18)
Asheriya   - Asher (Gen. 30:13)
Azri       - Azriel (! Chr. 5:24)
Bal.       - Baal (1 Chr. 5:5)
Bala; Balah- Bala (Josh. 19:3) 
Bakru      - Bokheru (1 Chr. 7:6)
Baktu      - Baca (1 Chr. 8:38)
Banniya    - Baana (1 Chr. 11:30)
Bellu      - Bela (Gen. 14:9)
Bera; Baru - Beerah (1 (Chr. 5:6)
Basaya     - Basseiah (1 Chr. 6:40)
Beroth     - Beeroth (2 Sam. 4:2)
Bilgai     - Bilgah (Neh. 12:5)
Buhana     - Bohan (Josh. 15:6)
Buir       - Beor (Ps. 23:4)
Butt       - Bath (1 Ki. 7:26)
Caleb; Kleb - Caleb (1 Chr. 2:18)
Dar; Dhar; Darku - Dor (1 Ki. 4:11)
Dara       - Dara (1 Chr. 2:6)
Dum        - Dumah (1 Chr. 1:30)
Gabba      - Geba (Josh. 18:24)
Gaddar     - Gedor (1 Chr. 4:4)
Gadha      - Gad (1 Chr. 2:2)
Gaddi      - Gaddi (Nu. 13:11)v Gani; Gani - Guni (1 Chr. 1:40)
Gareb      - Gareb (1 Chr. 7:13)
Gomer      - Gomer (Gen. 10:2)
Hahput     - Hatipha (Neh. 7:56)v Iqqash - Ikkesh (1 Chr. 11:28)
Ishai      - Ishui (1 Sam. 14:49)
Israel     - Israel (Gen. 32:28)
Kahan Masu - Kahana; Kan, Kanah (Josh. 19:28)
Kalkul     - Calcol (1 Chr. 2:6)
Kanaz      - Kenaz (Ju. 3:9)
Kar        - Careah (2 Ki. 25:23)
Karrah     - Korah (Nu. 26:9)
Kaul       - Caul (Isa. 3:18)
Kadu; Kaddua; Khadu - Cauda (Act. 27:16)
Kotru      - Keturah (Gen. 25:4)
Laddu      - Lud (1 Chr. 1:17)
Lavi; Laveh - Levi (1Chr. 2:1)
Magar      - Magor (Jer. 22:3)
Mahlu      - Mahali (Ex. 6:19)
Maikri     - Machir (Josh. 17:1)
Malla; Maula- Maaleh (Josh. 15:3)
Mallak     - Mallouck (1 Chr. 6:44)
Matri      - Matri (1 Sam. 10:21)
Meresh     - Meres (Esther 1:14)
Mir        - Mearah (Josh. 13:4)
Mahsa; Mahsi- Massah (Ex. 17:7)
Moza       - Moza (1 Chr. 7:36)
Musa       - Moses
Nehru      - Nahor (1 Chr. 1:26)
Opal; Upal - Ophel (2 Chr. 28:3)
Pareh      - Paruah (1 Ki. 4:17)
Phalu; Pau - Phallu; Puah; Pua (Nu. 26:23)
Poot; Put  - Phut; Put (a Chr. 1:8)
Raina      - Rinnah (1 Chr. 4:20)
Raphu      - Raphu (1 Ki. 11:23)
Reshu; Resh; Reshi - Rhesa (Luke 3:27)
Reu; Reu-wal - Reu (Gen. 12:18)
Reual      - Reuel (Nu. 2:14)
Sachu      - Sechu (1 Sam. 19:22)
Sam        - Shem (Gen. 5:32)
Sapru; Sapra - Saphir (Mic. 1:11)
Seh        - Siah (Neh. 7:47)
Shahmiri   - Shamir (1 Chr. 24:24)
Shaul      - Shaul (1 Chr. 4:24)
Shavi      - Shaveh (Gen. 14:17)
Shora      - Sherah (1 Chr. 7:2)
Shuah      - Shuah (1 Chr. 4:11)

When one says, Yah-weh was the God of the Jews, then it is understandable, because these Indo-Hebrew tribes were far from home - India, in alien territory, and it is understandable that they saw their God as the true God on one hand, and as their very own, as the others had other gods.

If Hindus and Jews can cooperate in such a way, if we can connect ourselves historically and genealogically, giving Abraham an Indian origin, even as we leave doctrinaire questions open, we could in fact effect a major change in the politics of the world, perhaps sandwiching both Christianity and Islam in between.

We would be shifting the whole historicity of these religions over to India from the Mideast. Would Ka'aba continue to have the same significance for the Muslims if they knew that Abraham did not lay the foundation of some new God concept in Ka'aba but rather simply continued the Godly tradition that was prevalent in India - his original home or home of his ancestors!

The point is that Jews control 2/3rds of nature of Yah-weh (Judaism and Christianity parts) while one-third is controlled by Muslims. This is because Jews control 2/3rds of the story of Abraham, and Jah-weh is nothing more than the God of Abraham. In fact Jews control more than 2/3rds as the Muslims differ from the Jews only on a few aspects of the life of Abraham.

So if Jews were to pronounce that Yah-weh is indeed referring to Shiva, and that Shiva was originally the God of Abraham/Brahma, then Allah too becomes just another name for Shiva, that is, if the Muslims choose to keep the cosmology of their religion in sync with those of Judaism and Christianity!

So basically Yindoos and Yehudis can together pull the direction of Christianity and Islam in any whichever way we want!

[Mukesh.Kumar]

<Conjecture Alert>

Hate to butt in without too much knowledge, but would like to mention a discussion I had with an Islamic scholar in Bangladesh. Once while discussing roots, history this gentleman came out with this theory that most probably Hinduism, Islam and Judeo-Christanity could have common roots. He cited Bhramins as an example. According to him Bhramins are descendants of Bhrama, who ay not have been a God in the true sense but a leader. Can't recall his exact words but he drew a parallel between 'A-Bhrahma' as being equivalent of Bhram-in.

<Conjecture Alert Off>

[ramana]

Folks above two posts are more about religious origins etc which are off topic. Please continue in the Off topic thread.

Thanks, ramana

[RajeshA]

Folks above two posts are more about religious origins etc which are off topic. Please continue in the Off topic thread.

Thanks, ramana

ramana garu,

I posted the above comment here so as to get more Israeli eyeballs on the idea. Basically the idea is more anthropological than religious, religious literature simply giving us hints.

I however did not plan to discuss it here!

[ramana]

So keep emphasising the focus.
Please report any religious posts.
Thanks, ramana

[Mahendra]

Is Sadler still active on this forum or has he been trolled out?

[abhishek_sharma]

Israeli couple facing deportation allowed ‘honourable exit’

Iran Is the Great Distraction: Why Obama and Netanyahu are having the wrong conversation this week.

[Altair]

I consider Israelis as friends and long lost brothers. What they are doing currently is more stupider than our Amul Baby politics. May be it is in the blood to elevate our enemy. Why the heck are they putting Iran on the pedestal is beyond me. If they do not want Iran to be a nuclear power they should have bombed the crap outta them 5 years ago. If they couldnt do it then then they should consider covert means now. By publicly threatening and making statements is only helping Iran. I only see Iran gaining from this entire episode. They must stop what they are doing now in public and do what they are best at. Covert sabotage. I know they are doing that with stuxnet and assassinations but public statements and covert action do not exactly go hand in hand.

[RajeshA]

What they are doing currently is more stupider than our Amul Baby politics. May be it is in the blood to elevate our enemy. Why the heck are they putting Iran on the pedestal is beyond me.

Well if they elevate Iran's public profile as a threat, they are doing it not just for themselves and their own military, but they also elevating the threat perception for the GCC as well, and that suit Israelis interests as well.

[Christopher Sidor]

What I don't comprehend is why should India oppose Iran nuclear ambitions? Love or affection for Israel or some misplaced sympathy for Israel should not be reason for it. It is not as if Israel or citizens of Israel are opposing a nuclear China. Frankly this concept that, it is in India's national interest not to have a nuclear Iran is bum.

Yes there are reasons for India to be wary of an Iranian nuke. Chief among this reason is the fact Iran has financed Pakistan's nuclear capabilities. But being wary is different from being opposed. If Israel is troubled with Iranian drive towards nuclear weapons, then it should look in the mirror.

[RajeshA]

Christopher Sidor ji,

Why did Pakistan give Iranians the nuclear technology?

It was to make the Saudis more insecure, so that they become more dependent on the Sunni Bomb from Pakistan, and thus come under their nuclear umbrella.

If Iranians get the bomb, Saudis would become Pakistani dependents, and then Pakistan would get another life-long lifeline!

Do we want that?

[Anujan]

Fellow working for Iran News Agency has been picked up in relation with the attack.

[kit]

To fellow BRF ites .. a must read


The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy by John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt

please submit in any other thread if you see fit.,as this goes a little beyond this thread

[Christopher Sidor]

Christopher Sidor ji,

Why did Pakistan give Iranians the nuclear technology?

It was to make the Saudis more insecure, so that they become more dependent on the Sunni Bomb from Pakistan, and thus come under their nuclear umbrella.

If Iranians get the bomb, Saudis would become Pakistani dependents, and then Pakistan would get another life-long lifeline!

Do we want that?

Pakistan gave Iran all the material for a nuke for two reasons
1) Some theory of Muslim/Islamic Ummah and the belief that nuclear technology should be shared with their fellow Muslims.
2) For monetary gain.

Pakistan already has Saudi Arabia and certain other Gulf Sheikdoms giving it Oil at very favorable rates or on deferred prices. Pakistan also gets significant support financially and economically from the GCC nations. Pakistan used to get this even before Iran started walking on the path to acquire nukes. Pakistan will get the same level of support from GCC countries even if Iran abandons its nuclear weapon ambitions.
The year was 1979, some people had captured a mosque in Saudi Arabia. After the Saudi Forces were unable to retake the mosque and flush out the people involved, Pakistani and French Forces were called in. Recently during the Bahrain riots, it is has been alleged that significant portions of manpower which quelled the riots was of Pakistani extraction. Ideologically (i.e. Islamic/Sunni) and strategically Pakistan in invaluable to the Gulf countries.

So we need not worry about Saudi Arabia and other GCC countries being dependent on Pakistan. They are already inter-twinned with Pakistan to a massive degree.

[Hari Seldon]

oops. wrong thread.

[devesh]

http://njjewishnews.com/article/8611/be ... 1rzRDHUPwY

With the arrest of a second Lodi resident, the Bergen County Prosecutor’s Office has announced that they have resolved all the executed and planned attacks on area synagogues that took place in December and January.

Nineteen-year-old Aakash Dalal was arraigned March 5 as co-conspirator in the most dangerous attacks, in which firebombs were thrown into the rabbi’s residence at Congregation Beth El in Rutherford.

According to Bergen County prosecutor John Molinelli, who announced the arrest at a Friday afternoon press conference on March 2, Dalal, a onetime Rutgers University student, has been friends since middle school with Anthony Graziano, who was arrested in January and charged with nine counts of attempted murder for the Rutherford attack.

The prosecutor said Dalal orchestrated all five anti-Semitic incidents, which began in December with anti-Semitic graffiti spray-painted on synagogues in Maywood and Hackensack and concluded with a planned but never executed attack on the Jewish Community Center of Paramus.

WTF?!?!?!
"Hindus" now falling for the same propaganda! what was the background of this guy?

[anmol]

http://njjewishnews.com/article/8611/be ... 1rzRDHUPwY

With the arrest of a second Lodi resident, the Bergen County Prosecutor’s Office has announced that they have resolved all the executed and planned attacks on area synagogues that took place in December and January.

Nineteen-year-old Aakash Dalal was arraigned March 5 as co-conspirator in the most dangerous attacks, in which firebombs were thrown into the rabbi’s residence at Congregation Beth El in Rutherford.

According to Bergen County prosecutor John Molinelli, who announced the arrest at a Friday afternoon press conference on March 2, Dalal, a onetime Rutgers University student, has been friends since middle school with Anthony Graziano, who was arrested in January and charged with nine counts of attempted murder for the Rutherford attack.

The prosecutor said Dalal orchestrated all five anti-Semitic incidents, which began in December with anti-Semitic graffiti spray-painted on synagogues in Maywood and Hackensack and concluded with a planned but never executed attack on the Jewish Community Center of Paramus.

WTF?!?!?!
"Hindus" now falling for the same propaganda! what was the background of this guy?

This "hindu" don't want to be called hindu as he doesn't believe in god. But that is irrelevant as this definitely have to do with Republican nomination related dirty politics. Here is Akash Dalal photographed with Ron Paul:-

source

Last time there was a controversy around Ron Paul when an alleged supporter uploaded the video(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZeVqj-t1U0), attacking the Indian and Chinese daughters of the candidate John Huntsman, who was VERY quick to denounce that and attack Ron Paul. When John huntsman exited the race, it was found out that the uploader of the said video was linked to his campaign.

So this is definitely a false flag attack.

[Philip]

The problem is not Iran but Pak.Pak supplies N-warheads to the Saudis (who helped bankroll their covert N-plans),who have Chinese BMs for the same,thus spooking the Iranians who have to balance the N-equation with the Saudis.Saudi possession of N-weaponsis the elephant in the Mifddle East room that no one speaks of.Isreal having several hundredsof N-warheads is well-known.Iranian hardliners and their anti-Israeli statements are grist to the mill of the paranoid Israeli hardliners who want to send the Persian ambitions sky-high.The US wants regine change at any cost,but the fear of the Iranians beingable to
f*uck up oil supplies thgrouigh the straits of Hormuz is what is holdinging everyone back. Russian and Chinese fears and support for Iran is another worry.

It would be best fir the Israelis and the Iranians to work out a covert understanding together and resolve the issue.

[Ambar]

This "hindu" don't want to be called hindu as he doesn't believe in god. But that is irrelevant as this definitely have to do with Republican nomination related dirty politics. Here is Akash Dalal photographed with Ron Paul:-

source

Last time there was a controversy around Ron Paul when an alleged supporter uploaded the video(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZeVqj-t1U0), attacking the Indian and Chinese daughters of the candidate John Huntsman, who was VERY quick to denounce that and attack Ron Paul. When John huntsman exited the race, it was found out that the uploader of the said video was linked to his campaign.

So this is definitely a false flag attack.

Oh dear! This is not good new for the self-proclaimed e-con-omist and conspiracy ka baap in "perspectives of economic meltdown" thread ! This explains something what we've talking about in EU threads : There is a direct connection between ultra-leftist-liberarian/anarchists with anti-semite/anti-hindu jihadists. They are ready bed-fellows.

[Altair]

Who the hell are these bike riding terrorists targeting Jewish people?
There seems to be a pattern.

No leads to Jewish school murders in Toulouse, France

French security circles close to the investigation of the shooting Monday, March 19, which left a teacher and three children dead at the Ozar Hatora school in Toulouse, told Tuesday that they have no leads as yet to the killer or suspects. He vanished by motorbike as mysteriously as he arrived at the school. All that can be deduced for now was that he was a trained - and possibly a hired - assassin.
This theory is strengthened by one of the witnesses reporting that he had a video camera hanging around his neck. He may have used it to record the attack on the Jewish school along with his report to whoever paid him to commit the crime. France has boosted security at all faith schools in the country as well as Jewish institutions.

[gunjur]

Israel intercepts ship for weapons search

Israeli naval forces intercepted a cargo ship in the Mediterranean on Sunday then boarded the vessel to search for suspected weapons, military officials and media reports said.

Israeli military officials, said the ship, the HMS Beethoven and flying a Liberian flag, was seized about 160 miles off the Israeli coast.

In the earlier seaborne interception in March 2011, Israel said the vessel it seized had set sail from Syria, had stopped in Turkey and had been destined for Alexandria in Egypt. Palestinians use a network of tunnels to smuggle weapons into Gaza from Egypt.

Israelis capture ships nearly 300 kms away based on assumptions but India cannot/will not even capture ship&crew who kill india nationals just off its coast.

[BajKhedawal]

So "Yom HaAtzmaut !!!" to all my yahudi bhai's.

[Amber G.]

Since both Obama and MMS differ a little on Bibi's hard stand and urgency to attack Iran 100%.. this may be interesting ...

Former Shin Bet Chief Doesn’t Trust Israeli Leaders

Former Shin Bet director Yuval Diskin told a central Israel conference that regarding Iran, he does not trust Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu or Defense Minister Ehud Barak regarding the Iranian nuclear threat.

He told participants in the conference the two most senior ministers are presenting the public at large with a “mirage” and he warns that a military strike against Iran will just compel Tehran to pick up efforts towards producing an atomic bomb.
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There are quite a few stories about this in different news papers.

[Austin]

^^^ For once in a while you hear some sane voice talking , the Shen Bet guy make sense , no one even in Pentagon believes that attacking Iran would completely de-nuclearise them , at the most it will delay their program.

Such a attack will only convince Iran that they need the bomb to defend the integrity of its nation and even the softliners in Iran would support such a move , Attack Iran and then you find them coming with a Mullah A-bomb will a vengeance.

[shyamd]

It's to keep pressure on Iran, regular naval armada's visiting the area and use the sanctions to basically collapse the regime or induce a coup there. Fighting them in all areas forcig the regime to divert funds to military purposes means the people suffer and eventually there will be an uprising.

Use of military to delay is the short term tactic. Regime change the long term tactic.

All the intel agencies are against the top rung Israeli leadership as they are not really interested in peace and they still have time over iran. Dagan and now Diskin.

However just to give perspective, intel is provided and a view/ recommendation and then decision maker speaks to the advisor who will add their perspective based on history and numerous aspects. Then decision maker makes the decision.

The pressure of war is working as I revealed in my blog that Iran asked the big powers to restrain Israel from attacking for as long as talks continue. All this is happening as Israel stockpiles 20% enriched uranium

[gunjur]

Apologies if already posted
With tensions high in Mideast, evangelical Christians tighten embrace of Israel

Servants to Christ is one of scores of evangelical Christian organizations working in Israel on a variety of charitable missions. And its presence is just one example of the increasingly tight embrace of the Jewish state.

increasing tensions in the Middle East over Iran's nuclear program and the threat it might pose to the Jewish state — is a staple of many U.S. evangelical leaders' speeches and sermons.

That broad backing for Israel is in part grounded in a widely held evangelical belief that the existence of a Jewish state is a prerequisite for the second coming of Jesus.
Many evangelicals believe that when Jesus returns, it will be to Israel. The purpose of his Second Coming will be to destroy its enemies and return to heaven with his followers in what is variously called the Rapture or the End Times.

[abhishek_sharma]

Interview: Israeli ambassador Alon Ushpiz

[jiteshn]

Ex-Israeli soldiers holidaying in Goa are dehumanised

In an open letter of solidarity addressed to the Jerusalem Inter-Church Centre and Kairos in Palestine, the Council of Social Justice and Peace (CSJP), a social arm of the influential Catholic church in Goa, has also expressed a desire to make a tangible difference to the "sufferings of Palestinians".

"Three years ago, for the first time, we sprung into action when we decided to study the issue of Israelis who had completed their term in the IDF and who turned up on the shores of Goa to overlook and disregard their actions while on military duty," CSJP executive secretary Maverick Fernandes said in his open letter which has been released to the media.

"Our study revealed how dehumanised these young people had become and how, because of an oppressive and cruel system of illegal military occupation, even the victimisers had turned casualties and victims of their own cruelties," he further said.

The study, referred to by Fernandes was compiled in 2009 on the basis of field inputs by young priests-in-waiting who hit Goa's narcotics party scene "undercover". It was subsequently released by Goa's Archbishop Father Filipe Neri Ferrao, the spiritual leader of the more than four lakh Christians in Goa and painted a sorry picture of young Israelis vacationing in Goa.

"The night here never ends. They (Israelis) just party with trance music and get intoxicated with drugs and alcohol. They kiss and touch each other openly. They also appear to switch partners," according to Brother Manuel D'Souza, who was a part of the "undercover survey".

The 96 page-book is titled "Claiming the right to say no: A study of Israeli tourist behaviour and patterns in Goa". A few lines in a chapter 'The Sababa experience' read: "Can you imagine young boys killing people? They (Israelis) go mad while in the services. The government sends these people to relaxation hubs. One of them is Goa."

In another chapter, Brother Onasis D'Cruz accuses Israelis of creating tourist ghettos in the state. "They (Israelis) are a nuisance to everybody in and around Palolem (a popular beach in south Goa). Their dominating nature and other monkey business drives away other tourists. So why do we need them?"

Tourists from Israel, along with those from Britain, Russia and Germany, top the number of tourists arriving in Goa every tourist season. Out of the two million tourists coming to the state each year, nearly 450,000 are foreigners.

The thousands of Israeli youngsters, who are fresh from serving the mandatory three-year stint in the armed forces prefer to vacation at party hot-spots in the Goa-Thailand-Bali circuit.

Anyone who has had a long stay in goa and observed these freaks dirtying up the state with hippy sh1t and colonizing the beaches with impunity need urgent attention from the authorities. They're a menace to the local population. Some of these idiots have parked out in india since decades. They have created this network on jewish expats all across india(from kerala to himachal).

Get this, an isreali tourist doesn't call an indian tour company before coming to india(say kerala). They have these jewish settlers in kerala who have bought property in many popular tourist destinations across india who arrange everything in kosher ways.

This isreali conclaves issue is going to get out of hands if indians continue to ignore it.

[Sanku]

^^^^

Please check the blog that it links to, a Anti-semtic, jihadi site. (9/11 was a Jewish conspiracy etc) -- raves and rants and froths at the mouth against "evil Brhaminsim" etc

In general it seems like Anti-Semitic outpouring of a genocidal Portuguese clergy responsible for many inquisitions of Jews in Portugal and Hindu's in India.

[Vipul]

Reaping Israeli Fruit on Indian Soil.

DRIVING SOUTHEAST of Bikaner, Rajasthan, all that meets one’s eyes is the sand and shrubs. Vegetation is scarce, agriculture of any kind non-existent and the only green one can see are a few patches of grass in the sand. Two hours ahead, taking a left from the NH-65, on the road to Didwana, the dry brown landscape suddenly changes colour. Olive trees, around 14,000 of them spread across 30 hectares, dot the desert land. This is the Bakliya farms, one of seven such farms in Rajasthan, result of an Indo-Israeli agricultural venture.

It started with Vasundhara Raje’s visit to Israel in 2006. The sight of an olive farm in a kibbutz in the Negev desert of southern Israel struck the former Rajasthan chief minister as something that could be replicated in her state. On her request, the Israel government agreed to help set up olive groves in Rajasthan, a hitherto failed experiment in India. The Israelis had developed a technology through intensive plantation and drip irrigation that allowed them to grow olive on arid land. Exactly what the then chief minister wanted for her dry state.

The Rajasthan Olive Cultivation Limited (ROCL) was set up as a public-private partnership with investments from the Rajasthan government and expertise from Indolive, an Israeli olive farming company and Pune-based irrigation equipment manufacturers, Finolex Plasson Industries. In the next six years, seven areas in the state were selected for growing seven varieties of the plant. Cuttings of high yield olive plants were imported from Israel. Drip irrigation, another Israeli invention and a common Indian practice now, was also used. Fertilisers, cutting techniques, soil testing — all the expertise came from Israel.

Kailash Kalwania, manager of the Bakliya farms, shows us around the olive groves. The flowering season is over, and small olives have started sprouting on the trees. “Of the seven varieties we planted, Barnea has been the most successful,” says Kailash. Jaipur-based Gideon Peleg, 68, the Israeli specialist in charge of the olive project in Rajasthan, adds that olive cultivation in the desert state has not been a cut-and-paste job. “It took us time to realise and understand what variety is best suited,” he says.

The results have been quite impressive. Of the seven districts where the olive experiment took place, four have done well. Buoyed by the success, the Rajasthan government has declared huge subsidies — 75 percent on plant cuttings, 3,000 per hectare on fertilisers and chemicals, and 90 percent on drip irrigation — to promote olive plantation in the state. An olive oil refinery is also coming up in Lukhransar, north of Bikaner. “Last year we made pickles out of the green olives but after the refinery is ready we will make olive oil,” says Sitaram Yadav, supervisor of the Lukhransar plantation.

The Rajasthan experiment has also given Israel the impetus to expand into other agriculture and horticulture segments across India. The first step has already been taken with the signing of the Agriculture Cooperation Agreement between the two countries in 2008. In December 2011, a three-year work plan was finalised between the Ministries of Agriculture of India and Israel, which included components like joint visits of agriculture experts, seminar and courses for farmers. The standout feature of the agreement is the Centres of Excellence for the set-up of “transfer of applied research and technologies to the farmers in various states across India”. The technologies to be transferred include irrigation, soil solarisation for disease control in plants, polyhouse farming, fertilisers, hybrid plants and seeds. While Israel has already entered into agreement with seven state governments to set up these centres, the most successful model has been Haryana.

Varun Bajaj, 35, from Rehor Parwala village, 30 km from Panchkula, is a beneficiary of this Indo-Israel agreement. Bajaj has been growing seedless cucumber since January 2012. A retailer by profession, he decided to grow vegetables after visiting the Indo-Israel Centre of Excellence for vegetable in Ghauranda, Karnal. Impressed by the concept of protective agriculture, he approached an agriculture company to set up his farm on a turnkey basis. The first farm was set up on an area of 4,000 sq metres. Polyhouses were put in place for protective farming, drip lines and machines were set up. Bajaj got 90 percent rebate in installing drip irrigation, and 65 percent subsidy on polyhouse under the national horticulture mission and additional subsidy from the Haryana government. He has now added an additional 6,000 sq metres to his farm and supplies to retailers and the open market. “My farms have already produced 50,000 kg in just six months,” he says. It is not cucumber alone; the Gharaunda facility has seen a manifold rise in the yield of chilli, capsicum and tomato.

The Israeli experiment has found many takers besides Rajasthan. Haryana, Maharashtra and Bihar are all eager to adopt it.

THE ISRAEL experiment has gone beyond vegetables. In Bhiwani district, Ramesh Tanwar has been growing kinnow on an area of six hectares with the help of the Centre of Excellence for Citrus Fruits in Sirsa. “The yield increased after we adopted various technologies from the centre,” he says. Haryana has also been trying to grow olive in the Sirsa centre, though it is still in the initial stages.

Tanwar and Bajaj’s farms are part of the 200 acres in Haryana that have already adopted technologies from the Indo-Israel Centres of Excellence. “The target now is 10,000 hectares in five years,” says Satyavir Singh, Director General, Horticulture, Haryana. The state government expects business worth $1 billion from the Israeli agro-technology. Each centre has been created on a seed money of Rs 6 crore invested by the state government. Three new centres for mango, flowers and an apiary have already been set up. Not content with areas confined to Centres of Excellence alone, the state is setting up 14 versions of such centres on a smaller scale in villages. “This will truly ensure that technology reaches the farmer,” says Arjun Singh Saini, additional director, horticulture in Haryana. To be set up at a cost of Rs 25 lakh by the government on farmers’ land and under their ownership, Saini calls it the public-private-farmer partnership.

The experiment doesn’t end with Rajasthan and Haryana. Maharashtra is already seeing results on mangoes. The latest state to have signed an agreement for such a centre is Bihar where the technology would be used for growing mango and citrus fruits.

Uri Rubinstein, Counsellor, International Cooperation, Science and Agriculture at the Embassy of Israel, New Delhi, says that Israeli technology in agriculture is not all about being hi-tech. He points out the concept of seedling as an example. “The centres offer seedlings grown in soilless medium,” he says. “This is a technology that ensures the plant survives unlike direct seed planting.”

Saini says there is a need for a second green revolution in India. “It is no more about basic agricultural produce,” he says. Rubinstein agrees: “Many of our needs are similar. Perhaps that’s why the Indian government decided to partner Israel under the National Horticulture Mission and not big countries like the US.”

[krisna]

^^^^
My cousin's FIl worked for GOI. he did go on a tour of Israel. He was impressed with the isrealis growing in arid lands. GOI had wanted to put their practices in certain places in India. he went about a decade earlier.

[g.sarkar]

http://www.eturbonews.com/30066/kashmir ... mir-valley
Kashmir separatist: No Israeli tourists in Kashmir Valley
Jul 06, 2012
"After the controversy of dress code diktat from religious groups, it was moderate separatist Umar Farooq who took objection to some tourists visiting the valley. Mirwaiz, chairman of moderate faction of Hurriyat Conference (M), expressed concern over government encouraging Israeli tourists to visit Kashmir.
"Government should explain why it's encouraging Israelis to visit Kashmir. Muslims all over the world have problem with Israel due to its aggressive policy towards Palestine," Mirwaiz told a Friday congregation at Jamia Masjid in Srinagar.
Mirwaiz was reacting to tourism department conducting road shows in Israel to promote tourism.
"Isreal is one of the biggest enemies of Islam and we see a design in all this," Mirwaiz said....."
Gautam

[pgbhat]

Kashmiriyat is secular no?

[vishvak]

http://www.eturbonews.com/30066/kashmir ... mir-valley
Kashmir separatist: No Israeli tourists in Kashmir Valley
Jul 06, 2012
"After the controversy of dress code diktat from religious groups, it was moderate separatist Umar Farooq who took objection to some tourists visiting the valley. Mirwaiz, chairman of moderate faction of Hurriyat Conference (M), expressed concern over government encouraging Israeli tourists to visit Kashmir.
"Government should explain why it's encouraging Israelis to visit Kashmir. Muslims all over the world have problem with Israel due to its aggressive policy towards Palestine," Mirwaiz told a Friday congregation at Jamia Masjid in Srinagar.
Mirwaiz was reacting to tourism department conducting road shows in Israel to promote tourism.
"Isreal is one of the biggest enemies of Islam and we see a design in all this," Mirwaiz said....."
Gautam

How is an anti-Jew and anti-Israeli Mirwaiz a chairman of moderates and talks of encouraging when the Govt encourages Kashmir as a tourist destination. Is this a moderate separatists who differentiates between tourists because of any excuses?

[Karan Dixit]

How can anyone advocate discrimination against a group of humans just because they belong to a particular faith is beyond me and on top of that these bigots call themselves moderate. It is a cruel joke.

[sum]

Israel appoints Consul General for Bangalore mission

Israel is all set to open its new consulate in Bangalore with the nomination of a senior diplomat as its Consul General, a move that is expected to give a big boost to an already burgeoning bilateral ties in the high-tech sector. Menachem Kanafi, currently serving as Director of Southern African Affairs Department at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and who in the past has served as the deputy head of mission in Ankara and Counsellor of UN Department of Political Affairs, is likely to join office in Bangalore towards the end of August. "Israel attaches a lot of significance to its relations with India. The warmth and goodwill in the relations were clearly demonstrated during the visit of the Indian foreign minister to Israel earlier this year. "The new consulate in Bangalore will help promote our engagement with southern India", Kanafi told PTI. "The thrust of the new consulate would be to further promote cooperation between the two countries in the field of hi-tech, deepen ties in the field of agriculture through setting up of Centres of excellence in the southern part of India." It will also "promote mutual investment, explore cooperation in the field of water management and technologies, renewable energy, homeland security, and of course promoting people to people contact", he added. External Affairs Minister S M Krishna gave the green signal to an Israeli request to set up a consulate in Bangalore during his visit to Israel in January this year. Israel's foreign minister Avogdor Lieberman had described the move as a "wonderful news coming at a time when the two countries are celebrating 20 years of establishment of diplomatic relations". Senior representatives from the Israeli hi-tech sector, many with offices in Bangalore, have also welcomed the move saying that it will help cut down a lot of costs and time required to travel to other places for bureaucratic purposes. Israel already has a consulate in Mumbai and its embassy is located in New Delhi.

[Atri]

Cops name Iran military arm for attack on Israeli diplomat

NEW DELHI: Alleging that an Iranian state agency was involved in the February 13 bomb attack on an Israeli diplomat in the capital, the Delhi Police has concluded that the suspects were members of Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, a branch of the nation's military.

The investigation report, exclusively accessed by TOI, states that the IRGC members had discussed the plan to attack the Israeli diplomats in India and other countries with Indian journalist Syed Mohammad Ahmad Kazmi in January 2011, after Iranian scientists had been attacked allegedly by the Israelis. The cops have also learnt that Kazmi was in touch with these people for almost 10 years.

Details about the suspects have been shared with Iran through a letter rogatory. Delhi Police has sought more details of the five IRGC members, including the main bomber, Houshang Afshar Irani, who mentions his profession in Iran as a builder, Sedaghatzadeh Masoud (sales employee in a commercial company on Baharestan St, Tehran), Syed Ali Mahdiansadr (a mobile shopkeeper in Tehran), Mohammad Reza Abolghasemi (clerk in the finance department of Tehran's water authority) and Ali Akbar Norouzishayan (a retired accountant in Tehran).

According to the sources, Masoud is said to be the operational head and it was he who planned the attacks in Georgia, Bangkok and Delhi.

Apart from these five, police have also come across the role of an Iranian woman, identified as Leila Rohani, in the February 13 attack in New Delhi as well as the attacks in Bangkok and Georgia, and has sought details about her as well from Iran. Rohani had allegedly helped Iranian suspects in Bangkok attack of February 14 in getting a flat, after which she fled to Tehran.

[gunjur]

Israeli officials play down report of Iran-U.S. deal

Israel's newspaper, Yedioth Ahronoth, said Washington had approached Tehran through two unidentified European countries to convey the message that the United States would not be dragged into hostilities if Israel attacked Iran over its nuclear programme.
The paper said the United States told Iran it expected Tehran in return to refrain from retaliating against U.S. interests, including its military in the Gulf.

An Israeli official, who asked not to be identified, described the report as illogical.
"It doesn't make sense," the official said. "There would be no need to make such a promise to the Iranians because they realise the last thing they need is to attack U.S. targets and draw massive U.S. bombing raids."

[nakul]

A store named Hitler: It’s dumb, not wrong

Another article quoting a Paki about Hindutva

But read the insightful rebuttal:

It's not only loathsome but actually reflective of a very sly and dirty mind when self declared left liberals try to associate a barbaric, white supremacist movement of 1930s Europe with the Hindutva movement and its ideas and leaders, and allude as if Hindus are secretly harboring desires to jump out of the bed one night and perform "the salute" in unison, and start marching after their Fuhrer (who prefers to hang out on Google+, showing a middle finger to libtard journos!). Liberals truly don't realize the irony while associating Hinduism and an Anti Semitic European movement. It's only because of India's tolerant base Hindu culture and ethos that the Jews never suffered any Anti Semitism in India - the only such example that exists, acknowledged by Israel itself and multiple Israeli leaders of repute - and the only cases when they faced persecution were under the two Abrahamic faiths that Indian liberals like you have an uncanny admiration for, to tout your "secular" credentials.

And Mr Roy, there is no "irony" in the encounter between the Israeli consul general and the Chief Minister (or as you guys call him, "Chief Monster"?) of Gujarat. Modi has been more than welcome in Israel, time and again. Israel has always given him the warmest red carpet welcome, today Gujarat enjoys relations with Israel in every field from industry to agriculture. And people from Modi's school of thought and ideology have been Israel's most ardent supporters and admirers in India. It was during BJP's rule that India and Israel came closer, and are now caught in an inseparable embrace. It was then that Israel's most influential Rabbis and Faith leaders visited India and held a dialogue with Hindu leaders, and expressed admiration for Hinduism's traditions and the similarities between Jews and Hindus as a people. They said that India and Israel needed to be together for survival, after walking on parallel but separate paths for centuries.

I would actually go on and say that the only people Israel and ADL need to fear in India are India's garden variety liberals. The only Anti Semitism in modern India actually comes from the people who call themselves "liberal" and "secular" etc. They are the ones who spit venom at Israel and deny its right to exist, preaching vile lies against it, calling it "Apartheid state" and support the Palestinian scum in their intifada. The Islamic parties in Kerala and Assam that the main "secular" mothership allies with, are far more Anti Semitic than some misguided young businessman from Ahmedabad. It's very possible that Rajesh Shah does not know a damn thing about the Holocaust. I don't know which world you live in but the overwhelming majority of Indians (>90%) know nothing about the Holocaust either. It's the poor way history is taught in India. Not the fault of the ignorant. And then, a Congress run NCERT might not risk telling too much about the Holocaust, when one of its key constituencies believes that it never happened in the first place.

[JE Menon]

Beautifully brutal.