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Philip wrote:Pres. Rajapakse could've emulated Emperor Asoka after defeating the universally despised LTTE,but now seems to be losing the plot and is struggling to "win the peace".The gestures to the tamils in the affected north could've been greater and wider in scope.Now that there have been elections and a new set of Tamil elected reps.,normal political activity should fill the vacuum that exists so that the development of the region can be accelerated and all issues regarding resettlement,etc., can be resolved asap.

Def.Sec. Gotabhaya,his brother,in the interview to an Indian news channel,was clearly not capable enough,or suave enough to present his viewpoint more cogently,even though he made a virile and froceful defence of the Lankan (GOSL's) viewpoint.The Eelam war was brutal in the extreme and if civilians suffered,then both sides were to blame.The LTTE determined the style and conduct of the war thanks to its exceptional brutality and the Lankan forces paid them back in the same coin.The GOSL is here on the backfoot in the propaganda war because it has not given enough attention to this vital side of the coin of conflict.

Unfortunately,just as predicted,the LTTE diaspora have cleverly jumped onto the AIADMK supremo's bandwagon and is shooting from her shoulder at the GOSL.As I said a long time ago,just after the war ended,that they would try their best to infiltrate TN ,regroup and and use the services of corrupt and rentable politicos for their insidious purposes.She should remember how Rajiv G was betrayed and assassinated afer he dropped his guard when the LTTE came all lovey-dovey to him.The visit of Hillary Clinton to TN had a hidden agenda.The US tried many moons ago to divide TN from the rest of the country when IG was PM.Upon finding out about the alleged conspiracy,she dismissed the Karunanidhi govt.Keep a close eye on how the US will use the "Tamil" card both in Lanka and India.The US wil use all its guile and covert means to destabilise the GOSL of Rajapakse from the shores of TN.The GOI seems to be clueless about this as they have been blinded by the "human rights/war crimes" campaign,which is actually a ruthless and devilish gameplan of the US to regain its control over Sri Lanka which it had during the pro-US regimes of JR Jayawardene and Premadasa and US stool-pigeon Ranil W,JRJ's nephew.It is not for nothing that Pres.Rajapakse is now turning to China in order to combat the US's designs against his regime.

Some sources say that the overflights by US aircraft are trial runs for military ops against the Lankan govt. if and when the US feels it has to "take out" the GOSL just as it is trying to do in Libya with Gadhaffi.Trincomalee and Hambantota are a vital base and port from where any navy can control the sea lanes from the Gulf to the Indo-China Sea and the Pacific.The strategic importance of the island grows by the day and the GOI needs to rapidly shore up its influence in the island.Indian investment in Lanka is one sure way by which goodwill and leverage can be established/obtained.But this needs to be sprad all across the island,bot just in the north and east,but in the south too in the Sinhala heartland.Rcent rp[eorts about Indo-Lankan cooperation in maritime and other spheres
(ii) Trincomalee or any other ports in Sri Lanka will not be made available for military use by any country in a manner prejudicial to India's interests.
Doesnt the above clause in 1987 Indo-Srilanka accord make it exigent upon india that it comes to srilanka's aid in such a senario of a 3rd power aggression ?

However i dont think US will go that far in its present circumstances.

Point to note is that no hightech indian airforce assets are nearby, IIRC .
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Dear Lilo,unfortunately,the current regime of Rajapakse,have given scant attention to the Indo-Lanka pact/whatever,and in the Gotabhaya interview,he categorically asserted the policies of the mment that there was no need for any "political settlement" after the war had been won.

Lanka is once again becoming an international issue,but the interests of those casting their eye on events in the island are quite divergent.Let me list out some points briefly and give my assessment of them:

1.The meeting between Hillary Clinton and the new TN CM,the TN factor:

HIllary's meeting with Ms.Jayalalitha was not a courtesy call.She had a hidden agenda which has now been revealed.Sri Lanka is a great embarrassment to the US as the US secretly supported the LTTE for decades,while pretending to be a friend of the island.If you look very carefully,you will see how the fascist LTTE wiped out all the other Tamil entities like PLOTE,etc.,whose ideology could be termed more socialist,assassinating leaders like Uma Maheswaran,Sabaratnam and the entire TULF political leadership of Amirthalingam upto Neelam Tiruchelvam and Lakshman Kadirgamar,Chandrika's FM.The LTTE were signiificantly supported by the US.Many on BR have also pointed out the caste and socio-religious background of key LTTE functionaries and their wetern connections.The Indian HC in Colombo allegedly intercepted communications between the LTTE and the US embassy when the IPKF were in the island.Pro-US Premadasa also threw out the IPKF after it had tamed the LTTE during the disgraceful era of the "Raja of Mandal",VP Singh.

During the last days of the LTTE,the US and other western powers who were secretly supporting it,tried desperately to save Prabhakaran and co. The US navy was allegedly on stand-by to rescue him and his key LTTE cadre by helo.Milli-Bond and the French FM flew into Colombo and tried to armtwist Rajapakse in person, and were told to "go fly a kite" as Lankans put it,Rajapakse giving them all the "upturned finger" (and India should forever remember with deep gratitude his extermination of the LTTE)! This to the US was an unforgivable act. That little Lanka could exterminate the world's worst terror outfit,that too in open defiance of the US,showed up the world's mightiest military power in a shocking light.What if other smaller nations followed Lanka's example? He is now in the firing line like Ghadaffi,Assad and co.All the warnings about an international inquiry,etc. are taking place according to plan and a specific schedule.Unfortunately,Ms.JJ is playing into the hands of opportune TN politicos and the US.While it is neccessary to underscore TN's sympoathy for suffering Tamils in Lanka,using its moral force if nothing else,she should always remember how Rajiv G. was betrayed by the very same northern Tamils and their fuhrer.As I predicted after the war,the Eelamists have regrouped in TN and using the LTTE/diaspora's vast coffers abroad,where upwards of $300M were its porfits from various illegal activities,are engaed in supporting an Eelam "resurrection" in TN.Now this will hav enot only a destabilising effect on Lanka but also a divise effect within India with parochial "splittist" voices creating mayhem,reviving one of the ancient plans to hive off TN from India in a "greater Eelam" which the LTTE subbscribed too all along.It may be a far-fetched plan today,but could add to the nation's internal difficulties already at sea with the Naxal and N-East problems which are being actively supported by China,Pak and others.

2.Rajapakse is losing the plot:

His brother Gotabhaya is no diplomat and calls a spade a spade.His interview only underscored the current GOSL's policies.In fact,the Lankans should ask the US why should there be an intl. inquiry against them when there is nothing against the US's well documented -on camers,human rights abuses and war crimes in Iraq (where the Abu Ghraib commandant,where Iraqis including women were raped ,tortured and murdered,even using dogs, is now out of jail on bail!),Afghanistan,Libya,etc.? The duplicity of the west should be warning for India to tread very carefully in the island and not lose sight of our own national and strategic interests.GOSL PR is unfortunately nowhere as sophisticated right now as it was earlier,when it had the services of its fine career diplomats-soem of whom I've known,and intellectuals serving its cause.When Kadirgamar,a Tamil,was its FM,it very effectively exposed the LTTE's fascism amd brutality an Lanka won the support of the entire international community...which is why Prabhakaran assassinated him! The GOSL must also communicate with the TN regime to show its genuine intent in ushering in an "inclusive" society.Several scribes have lamented before the neglect of the GOSL of the TN factor in diplomacy,preferring to communciate with Delhi almost always.

True,there is much work to be done to rehabilitate the displaced/affected Tamils.Demining,etc. is still going on.The Vietnam War de-mining is still ging on in Indo-China as a comparison! Here India is assisting Lanka.Some political space has been allowed with recent local elections which is a good thing.However,there must be more transparency in relieving the difficulties of the northern citizens in particular.This is where India should be more pro-active on the ground.In the time India hastaken to decide to restore the KKS port,the Chinese have built the entire port at Hambantota! If we do more and faster speed on the ground rehabilitation work in the N-East,it will not only help the GOSL but also show the TN poliicos that India (GOI) is concerned and acting in the interests of the Lankan Tamils too.This will also help us counter the massive PRC presence in the island.More on that.

The GOSL cannot imagine that a "winner takes all" policy will usher in a lasting peace.More on this phrase later.A renowned Lanka anti-LTTE Tamil,fromer VC of the Jaffna Univ.who returned to help in rehabilitation,is now returning back because he fears arrest by the GOSL.Since there is no war or armed struggle on right now,it is astonishing that the GOSL does not realise that the faster the N-East gets back to normal life and the creation of wealth through the hardworking people of the region,wounds will be healed.

3.The fishing problem:

After the war,Lankan Tamilian fishermen are returning to theri old fishing grounds.The last spat saw a fight between the TN and Jaffna fishermen,which shocked our boys.They should not be shocked at all.THis problem will continue for decades unless fishing vessels on both sides can be tracked automatically by sat/sensors and the IN/CG and SLN work out a method of cooperative/joint patrolling.

4.Lankan diplomatic shift,Indian action:

With the US and other western nations hounding Lanka on human rights/war crimes allegations,the GOSL is turning to China,Pak,Burma and pleading also with India to support it against the west/US.The BIAS bloc at the UN,where India has resisted a full condemnation of Libya indicates that the GOAL will receive from India signifucant sympathy,but expects from the GOSL much movement in restoring normality to the north and east and rehabilitation of the Tamils and other communities there.Here India should be pro-active and gaina foothold in this region of Lanka,where our ethnic ties are strongest,but always remembering how we were betrayed by the northern Tamils when Rajiv was assassinated.If I may put it very bluntly,there is more sympathy for Lankan Tamils in India and TN than sympathy for Indian Tamils and Indians when we face terrorism,etc.,from the Lankan N-East!

Rajapakse is turning increasingly to China and also Pak to ward off the US/west.India cannot alllow Lanka to fall into Chinese hands and must leverage its influence with the GOSL.Closer naval ties are on the anvil.We must checkmate the PRC by seeing that its military influence is curtailed and India gives the Lankana rmed forces the max. assistance possible.We should look at the Lankan forces in a long-term perspective as a strong battle-hardened force that could be complementary to India strategic interests.Imagine a Lankan military using Indian weapon systems like the LCA-very affordable,ALHs,upgraded T-72s and other ICVs,OPVs and fast patrol craft-Indian designed and built in Lanka which has some good boat building capability.In fact some small craft requirements forthe Indian Marine Police,etc.,could be acquired from Colombo.We have had many lankan officers at DSSC,etc.,who remember very fondly their days in India and their Indian colleagues and contacts.Indian wares should be given at "friendship" prices.When the Lankans,who are exceptionally sensitive about a division of their vcountry ,find that this relationship ensurs the stability of their nation,they will relax more internally and the political aspirations of its minorities will be fulfilled.

If India and Lanka sign a treaty,which as been gathering cobwebs for aeons,it will ensure that NO foreign power will ever gain a militayr foothold on the island,or it ne used against India.

5.Business links:

More than any other nation,being its "only neighbour" thanks to geography,India is in pole position to benefit from Lanka's relaxed investment policies.They have a well-educated people and workforce, and Indian investment should accelerate before external forcs inimical to India seize the opportunities.Tourism,IT,manufacturing,foodstuffs,infrastructure development,building materials,etc,health,auto sector,petro exploration,are some of the key areas where India could dominate the scene.Just imagine how the Gulf nations have risen from the desert sands.The tropical Lankan paradise could easily with Indian investment emulate them.

Finally,a Lankan viewpoint on the current situ from one who knows the country best.Chandrika herself,former pres.,who has experienced in her family assassinations (father and husband),attempted assassinations (mother and herself),personal physical loss (an eye),etc.,etc.and words of advice to her successor.

http://www.flonnet.com/stories/20110826281706600.htm
President Mahinda Rajapaksa with his predecessor Chandrika Kumaratunga at the 54th anniversary celebrations of the Sri Lanka Freedom Party in Colombo on September 6, 2005. Chandrika Kumaratunga has warned him of a "short-lived peace" unless the government shares power with the ethnic Tamil minority.

FORMER Sri Lankan President Chandrika Bandaranaike Kumaratunga chose a quiet July Sunday to speak her mind on the aftermath of a war that ended more than two years ago. “The victorious government and the Sinhala community must comprehend that the Tamil community is different from the LTTE [Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam].… I too am glad, extremely happy, that the war has ended and terrorism has been defeated. But I cannot blind myself to the fact that although we have won the civil war, we have not even begun to win the battle for peace. For winning peace implies bringing in and including ‘the others' fully and honestly not only in development but also as full and equal partners of the processes of government – to power sharing,” she said.

“An essential prerequisite for peace, a stable and strong government and prosperity, is a democratic, pluralistic state. This is the only magic potion I know to bind together diverse peoples of a multi-ethnic, multi-linguistic, multi-religious and multi-cultural country like ours as one undivided and strong nation,” she added.

It was for the first time in over two years that a Sinhala politician of the stature of Chandrika Kumaratunga, who headed the government for nearly a decade, had come out openly and faulted Sri Lanka's majoritarian tendencies. Many others have admitted the calibrated exclusion of the Tamils in private, but none has spoken out for fear of being branded traitors.

There have seldom been half-measures with Chandrika Kumaratunga. Urging the government to work towards “an inclusive society”, she warned of a “short-lived peace” unless the government shared power with the Tamils. Delivering the Justice K. Palakidner commemorative lecture on July 24, she accused President Mahinda Rajapaksa of following a “winner takes all” policy after eliminating the last of the Tamil Tigers in May 2009.

Citing examples from Sri Lanka's past and present, she tried to drive home the message that without pluralism Sri Lanka would have been much poorer. The greatest architect Sri Lanka has ever seen, Geoffery Bawa, was a Sri Lankan of Malay/Burgher lineage. “Could the Sinhala community alone have produced a Bawa, a Barbara Sansoni, an Ananda Coomaraswamy, a Muralitharan, a Duncan White, a Michael Ondaatje, a Shyam Selvadurai?... A massive number of our Burgher and Tamil people have left this country. If we persist in the present policy of winner takes all, we certainly will lose the remaining members of the minority communities,” she said.

She said she was shocked by the British television documentary “Sri Lanka's Killing Fields”, aired on Channel 4 about atrocities committed by the Sri Lankan troops during the final stages of the battle against the Tamil Tigers. “I shall remember till the end of my days the morning when my 28-year-old son called me, sobbing on the phone, to say how ashamed he was to call himself a Sinhalese and a Lankan, after he saw the 50-minute documentary. My daughter followed suit, expressing shock and horror that our countrymen could indulge in such horrific acts,” she said. Both her children are abroad.

Chandrika did not stop with the issues in contemporary governance. She outlined the past in detail and faulted many policies, including the Sinhala-only policy and, by implication, her own parents who had run the country. “Let us have the humility to admit that we Sri Lankans have failed as a nation. Let us look truth in the face, have the honesty and the courage to accept our mistakes and the generosity to make amendments. Continued denial of proven facts and abuse of our honest critics will not resolve the problem for anyone. Our leaders must take the lead in the noble task of reconciliation and reconstruction,” she said.

Chandrika has stayed clear of politics since she stepped down as President, but many have sought to enlist her support. Colombo's uppity party circuit is full of whispers about how some senior Ministers who are unhappy meet her regularly and implore her to make a comeback. Her only step in the recent past that can be construed as a mistake is her endorsement of former Army chief Sarath Fonseka ahead of the presidential election.

Chandrika's frank analysis is being viewed by some people close to the government as an “outburst of a leader searching for some relevance” and as unbecoming of a leader who failed the country in reining in the LTTE. Her critics received a major boost when parts of her speech were used in a new Channel 4 documentary that was released on July 21.

The whispers are now growing stronger on the timing of her speech and the release of the documentary. It appears that Chandrika Kumaratunga's days of living a quiet life behind the 10-foot-high walls of her house are over.

R.K. Radhakrishnan
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Sorry Philip , i am only seeing your excellent reply today.

This clandestine LTTE-USA relationship which you speak about is quite intriguing and new to me.
Are there any commentators (Indian or International) who highlighted it ?

However this angle to the conflict suffers from lack of exposure in the mainstream media - although circumstantial evidences all certainly show "state support" to LTTE in mobilizing funds and weapons from throughout the world. Thinking about it, i realize that just the sympathetic tamil diaspora and the funds they raised couldn't have sustained the LTTE Eelam with all its trappings of a full fledged "state" for a full decade and a half (1990 - 2005) - without the active organizational and military logistical backing by a state actor. The continued sustenance of LTTE through out this period points to the degree of "state support" for this group which most probably flowed from UK (and its regional proxies) under the auspices of USA.

Indian public especially Tamilians should be made aware of the role US played to keep this conflict alive through out the 90s and early 00s (a decade and half of unnecessary bloodbath - after IPKF withdrawal and with it the ending of any nominal indian support to LTTE ) .

Both the indian Tamil politicos and Sinhalese nationalists are at a fault here for not realizing the big picture - how the external forces are again doing their all to destabilize the region and ensure that a real rapprochement could not be brought about. The situation calls for a few pragmatic and large hearted gestures by the victorious side to the losing side all of which should be well publicized by the Indian national and Indian Tamil media ( western media will do its all to discredit these gestures ) . Then a completely indigenous reconciliation process supported by indian tamil politicos should begin in Srilanka with no outside interference . Such a process should inter-alia examine wartime excesses of srilankan forces and ensure "restorative justice" to all parties concerned . India needs to resolutely stand by srilanka during this phase with an aim to deflect the western pressure .

Such an initiative requires vigorous but patient regional diplomacy from delhi to chennai and from chennai to colombo and from colombo to jaffna and chennai .

On another note in the interivew Gotabaya Rajapakse comes across as a "perverse joker" and this guy needs to be relegated to the background.
the part about the tamil woman presenter was racist - if i understood correctly, he was implying that tamil women are not fit to be raped (due to their ugliness ?) but that particular tamil eelam news presenter based out of london (being beautiful ?) was fit enough to be raped. :roll: :roll:

objectionable excerpts


the full hour long interview
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Tx Lilo.My apologies for the awful spelling errors,the post was made without my glasses!

I frankly couldn't pick up Goty's remarks about the women accurately.Was he trying to imply that the allegations of rape,etc., were wrong because an attractive (UK) woman spent a long time in the camps inmolested or what? His mastery of English would definitely earn him a place at the next Shakespeare production of a "Midsummer Night's Dream",at the Globe in London,playing the part of "Bottom"!

Nevertheless,he did the "business" when it came to exterminating the LTTE.The issue now is how much of "collateral damage" took place in the extermination and whether it was accidental or deliberate? We do know how the LTTE used human shields,dressed in civvies,etc.,during the war and that a significant amount of civilians were killed in the last battle.That issue is what the GOSL needs to respond too seriously to allay the concerns of the global community.The best way in which it can show its good intentions is to install a commission to probe into the matter and ascertain the truth-as far as it may be possible.The S.Africans dod very well with their "Truth and Reconciliation" commission.It must also simultaneously make life easier for the formerly displaced Tamils/minorities in the N-East and to bring in genuine democratic institutions which represent the voice of the locals. Handing over the former military policing and other mundane functions to the local police would also be a big step in restoring its intent.The army could go back to barracks,while the SLN and SLAF could continue their maritime surveillance and patrolling,which are non-controversial.The GOI must be more of forceful in its promises of aid and restoration/rehabilitation work.Such work executed on time will also send a message to TN political entities that the GOI is on the spot as to restoring the genuine rights of the people of the N-East.Good PR work is essential on both sides.
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The HIndu on "Goaty's" interview.

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/editori ... 359597.ece
A brother out of control

Two years after defeating the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam and eliminating it as a military entity, Sri Lanka is still struggling to emerge from the woods on some important fronts. Two issues are predominant. One is the nature of the peace, and the efforts by the Sri Lankan government towards a political reconciliation between the Sinhalese majority and the Tamil minority. The military victory over the LTTE, and President Mahinda Rajapaksa's strength in parliament, gave the government an unprecedented opportunity to put in place a progressive political framework to heal the wounds of a 30-year war, and address Tamil grievances that predate the war. That it has taken only nominal steps in this direction is a matter of concern even to friends of Sri Lanka, such as India, which stood by its military efforts against the LTTE. The second issue, which has found strong voice in a recent documentary by a British television station, Channel 4, and in a United Nations report, has to do with the nature of the military operations in the final stages of the war in 2009. Both make allegations of war crimes against the Sri Lankan Army, accusing it of knowingly aiming fire at civilians such that thousands lost their lives, of killing captives in cold blood, and of possible sexual assault. It is shocking that instead of addressing these issues in the right spirit, a high-ranking official of the Sri Lankan government, Defence Secretary Gotabaya Rajapaksa, a brother of the Sri Lankan President, has chosen to vitiate the atmosphere even more with his intemperate remarks against Tamil Nadu Chief Minister Jayalalithaa, and by attributing motives to the adoption of resolutions on Sri Lanka by the State Assembly.

Mr. Gotabaya Rajapaksa's comments, made in the course of an interview to Headlines Today television, reveal a troubling contempt for the Tamil minority. He has trashed “the political solution talk,” asserting, among other things, that it was “simply irrelevant” because “we have ended this terrorism in Sri Lanka,” making the egregious assertion that when the 13th Amendment was being drafted, “the government of Sri Lanka was not involved,” and proposing that with the LTTE “gone,” there was no further need to amend the Constitution. President Rajapaksa would be well advised to distance himself swiftly from his brother's stream-of-consciousness on sensitive issues that are not his business. This includes an outrageous comment that because a Tamil woman, an “LTTE cadre” who was a British national, interviewed in the Channel 4 documentary was “so attractive” but had been neither raped nor killed by Sri Lankan soldiers, the allegation of sexual assault by soldiers could not be true. For this statement alone, Mr. Gotabaya Rajapaksa must be taken to task.
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thusitha wrote:
SwamyG said ...
Quote:
Though the USA aid to SL has been declining, now USA has threatened to cut of the aid. Amma's supporters could view it as her influence with Hillary


The biggest question is can they afford to give us money? To me they are in a terminal decline.

If it comes to aid, would you prefer aid from India or America?
Definitely not from U.S. I believe U.S. is an enemy of SL state. In case of India, we should have a very cautions relationship with India as we never know when you will screw us, not because you have any thing against us, but because of your need to placate T.N.
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thusitha wrote:
Definitely not from U.S. I believe U.S. is an enemy of SL state. In case of India, we should have a very cautions relationship with India as we never know when you will screw us, not because you have any thing against us, but because of your need to placate T.N.
TN is as India as it can get. So...? what's the gripe? Trying to throw some divide and rule, to see if it sticks. Nice try, but won't fly.
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thusitha wrote:Definitely not from U.S. I believe U.S. is an enemy of SL state. In case of India, we should have a very cautions relationship with India as we never know when you will screw us, not because you have any thing against us, but because of your need to placate T.N.
thusitha ji,

This is usually what happens when one spits in the same thali that one eats from.

and why would you expect anything different? The lankans have always had a history of

ungratefulness towards India. The chickens are just coming home to roost. Welcome them. 8)

We actually admire your clinical dispatch of the ltte leadership.

BUT, by your stupid attitude towards YOUR Tamillian population, you are setting the scene for the revival of the ltte, perhaps in a more virulent form with determined international backers having learned lessons from their first unsuccessful foray.

The dispatch of the ltte and the dispatch of your Tamillian population are two very different ball games.

One generated admiration and the other, a well justified international revulsion. Your moronic leadership seems unable to make this fine distinction.

Your reward for killing the ltte cannot be the continued killings and oppression of the very same people who were anyway oppressed and killed by the ltte.

You won the battle but lost the war.

Think east timor not India. They are all now going to gang up on you.

But in the ultimate analysis you are just a gnat that will soon be squashed on some "fast gathering speed" international windscreen. SPLAT!

Your "cunning" leadership will soon realize how spiteful and vengeful the supporters and backers of the ltte can actually be. That's how they have gone about their business for centuries now.

Except for some nutjobs in Tamil Nadu, the mass of India, including Tamil nadu, is largely unmoved by anything that happens in SL. Some may put up a token protest because of a internet hippy type of culture. You do not loom as large in our lives as you fondly seem to imagine.

The GOI, the IA and the people of India will not very easily forget the treacherous lankan leadership (at that time) nor the equally treacherous karunanidhi, a pox on his house!

This is the bitter truth for you. Live with it.

Sure, hop in bed with the chinese and see where it gets you. Even further away from India, I would imagine.

Civilizationally, unlike India, the chinese are neither forgiving, compassionate nor generous of heart.

For them, it's just business. Their business. :)
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JwalaMukhi said ...
TN is as India as it can get. So...? what's the gripe? Trying to throw some divide and rule, to see if it sticks. Nice try, but won't fly.
But according to Phillip
Now this will hav enot only a destabilising effect on Lanka but also a divise effect within India with parochial "splittist" voices creating mayhem,reviving one of the ancient plans to hive off TN from India in a "greater Eelam" which the LTTE subbscribed too all along.It may be a far-fetched plan today,but could add to the nation's internal difficulties already at sea with the Naxal and N-East problems which are being actively supported by China,Pak and others.
So, how can anybody say TN is India, when a set of people are scheming to separate from your nation?
Haven't you given what they want, aka federalism? What they want more?

For people who say SL won the war and lost ..., ... Get real. We might as well give them an Independent state. If they aren't going to be satisfied with federalism in India, they are not going to be satisfied with something similar to this in SL?

What GR and MR are doing is the wishes of the people, and therefore stop blaming the government. Blame the SL people.
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Chetak said...
The lankans have always had a history of
ungratefulness towards India.
Like when? When you try to impose your will on 80% of the people to satisfy the demands of less than 8% of the people?
Chetak ...
But in the ultimate analysis you are just a gnat that will soon be squashed on some "fast gathering speed" international windscreen. SPLAT!

Your "cunning" leadership will soon realize how spiteful and vengeful the supporters and backers of the ltte can actually be. That's how they have gone about their business for centuries now.
Sorry Chetak, won't happen. We might have a shorter history than you, but we survived for long time. It will take bit more than that to destroy us.

Sure, hop in bed with the chinese and see where it gets you. Even further away from India, I would imagine.
We are not going to bed with anybody. SL is an independent nation and it will be in the future as well.
Have a look at a place like Singapore. It is for all people. Why can't SL be something like that. Instead of preaching us, if you allow us to develop, I think SL would be a good place for all of us.
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thusitha wrote:We are not going to bed with anybody. SL is an independent nation and it will be in the future as well.
Have a look at a place like Singapore. It is for all people. Why can't SL be something like that. Instead of preaching us, if you allow us to develop, I think SL would be a good place for all of us.
Sri Lanka is deep in bed with China, with a very deep penetration! Independent nation my foot!

"Allowing us to develop" is just another euphemism to allow China to make Sri Lanka another outpost, just South of India. Either Sri Lanka has to make the "development model" of Sri Lanka conforming with Indian strategic interests, or India will retaliate sooner or later, but India is not going to allow China to spread its wings so close to India!

And when India retaliates, be it through Tamils or in a different way, don't tell us, we didn't warn you! Sri Lanka cannot expect that India would allow China to build its strategic presence in the Indian Ocean so close to us unimpeded. Sri Lanka is going to pay dearly for being too clever by half! Sri Lankans are inviting another catastrophe upon themselves because of their stupidity.

India has absolutely no problem with Sri Lanka becoming a highly developed and rich society! But India will not accept a strategic threat developing on her South.
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thusitha wrote:We are not going to bed with anybody. SL is an independent nation and it will be in the future as well.
Have a look at a place like Singapore. It is for all people. Why can't SL be something like that. Instead of preaching us, if you allow us to develop, I think SL would be a good place for all of us.
Sri Lanka is deep in bed with China, with a very deep penetration! Independent nation my foot!

"Allowing us to develop" is just another euphemism to allow China to make Sri Lanka another outpost, just South of India.

RajeshA ji,

Just so long as they don't fasten their greedy teeth to the mammaries of the Indian state, let them go where they will. They will soon gag on the steady and forced diet of noodles. Sinhala cunning is their own downfall.

We should now develop a suitable port nearby with the sole aim to offload colombo. Hit them where it hurts.

And thusitha ji, please take YOUR 8% with you onlee.

Good luck.
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thusitha wrote: Definitely not from U.S. I believe U.S. is an enemy of SL state. In case of India, we should have a very cautions relationship with India as we never know when you will screw us, not because you have any thing against us, but because of your need to placate T.N.
Nice to hear that :mrgreen:
1. Why do you consider US is your enemy?
2. While I agree with your second concern and there is some validity would probably be thinking like you. However, if the tamilians in SL are treated with due respect that any first class citizen is accorded and the Sinhalese and Tamilian work, say, like the people of the States of Orissa and Tamil Nadu - then the TN politicians would not have any valid reasons to politik. TN is not a rogue or unreasonable state. Maybe SL needs some introspection on its past and present. Only with the Buddhist Sinhalese understand the tamilians have been on the island for thousands of years and the history of India and SL is closely intertwined and get respect by giving respect will things change. I think SL is still working as if these are the days of Chola, Pandya and Sinhalese kingdoms. It is not. It is democracy.
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SwamyG wrote:
thusitha wrote: Definitely not from U.S. I believe U.S. is an enemy of SL state. In case of India, we should have a very cautions relationship with India as we never know when you will screw us, not because you have any thing against us, but because of your need to placate T.N.
1. Why do you consider US is your enemy? .

With the US,

When the soldiers come first, the preachers are very close behind.

If the preachers come first and don't make easy headway, then the US foreign policy towards that unfortunate state becomes very muscular.

The relationship between the two is like conjoined twins but joined at the arse and not at the head. Which is why the amerikhans make heavy weather of it always.

India already has much experience of the second premise, no? :)
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thusitha wrote:What GR and MR are doing is the wishes of the people.
You mean even the looting of national wealth? :D I don't know who you represent here, the politicans are the Srilankans, these politicians sent your War hero to prison and I see you singing praise.

I can't stand the presence of GR for few minutes, he is such cunning #@$!@r). I don't know how you.......Nationalism is good. Make sure it won't come back to bite your own people.
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thusitha wrote: Definitely not from U.S. I believe U.S. is an enemy of SL state. In case of India, we should have a very cautions relationship with India as we never know when you will screw us, not because you have any thing against us, but because of your need to placate T.N.
The whole problem started as you mistreated Tamils. Everything becomes normal once you start correcting the mess your politicians created.
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If I may paraphrase a popular French quote from Louis Quatorze,the "Sun King",who famously said "apres moi le deluge",in Lanka it was "Apres le deluge,les vautours (the vultures)!"

I personally saw this after the great Asian tsunami in Sri Lanka.A couple of months after the tsunami I visited the South West coast to see the damage for myself and decided to have lunch at a popular hotel,where I knew the manager,an old friend.While we were enjoying a pre-luncheon drink,a couple of coaches landed up in the porch and disembarked a few dozen mostly middle-aged Americans all wearing the same clothing,Bron pants and yellow T-shirts with the words (if I remember correctly) "US saves Sri Lanka" on them.This "army" then all trooped in orderly fashion to the restaurant.I asked my friend what all this was about and what were these middle-aged Yanquis,who resembled aging members of the once infamous "Peace Corps" doing? Were they helping rebuild homes or were they giving medical assistance?

He told me,"machan,they have been coming here daily for quite some time.I also didn't know what they were doing,so I asked my staff to find out.It appears that they are going into the affected villages and are giving counselling!"

Similarly,when the Iraq War took place,according to western media reports,an "army" of Yanqui "Christian soldiers" were waiting in the wings to fly into Iraq and convert the Iraqis.The insurgency put paid to all that!

Enjoy this! Read the entire piece,its hilarious but deadly serious stuff.Here is what happened in Indonesia.
Besides, they might remember what some American missionaries tried to do after the tsunami.

A Virginia-based missionary group said this week that it has airlifted 300 “tsunami orphans” from the Muslim province of Banda Aceh to Jakarta, the Indonesian capital, where it plans to raise them in a Christian children’s home.

The missionary group, WorldHelp, is one of dozens of Christian, Muslim and Jewish charities providing humanitarian relief to victims of the Dec. 26 earthquake and tsunami that devastated countries around the Indian Ocean, taking more than 150,000 lives.

Most of the religious charities do not attach any conditions to their aid, and many of the larger ones — such as WorldVision, Catholic Relief Services and Church World Service — have policies against proselytizing. But a few of the smaller groups have been raising money among evangelical Christians by presenting the tsunami emergency effort as a rare opportunity to make converts in hard-to-reach areas.

“Normally, Banda Aceh is closed to foreigners and closed to the gospel. But, because of this catastrophe, our partners there are earning the right to be heard and providing entrance for the gospel,” WorldHelp said in an appeal for funds on its Web site this week.

The appeal said WorldHelp was working with native-born Christians in Indonesia who want to “plant Christian principles as early as possible” in the 300 Muslim children, all younger than 12, who lost their parents in the tsunami.

“These children are homeless, destitute, traumatized, orphaned, with nowhere to go, nowhere to sleep and nothing to eat. If we can place them in a Christian children’s home, their faith in Christ could become the foothold to reach the Aceh people,” it said.

That statement came down, after the Washington Post reported on the story, and once exposed the missionaries changed their plans.
http://www.republicoft.com/2008/06/03/o ... -soldiers/
Jun 03 2008

Oh, Jeebus (or “Onward, Christian Soldiers”)
What a f*cking idiot.

The US military confirmed yesterday that a marine in Fallujah passed out coins with Gospel verses on them to Sunni Muslims, a military spokesman in the Iraqi city said. The man was immediately removed from duty and reassigned.

The coins angered residents who said they felt that the American troops, whom they consider occupiers, were also acting as Christian missionaries in a predominantly Muslim nation.

“It did happen,” said Mike Isho, a spokesman for Multi-National Force West. “It’s one guy and we’re investigating.”

The marine was passing out silver coins to residents of the Sunni Anbar province with Arabic translations of Bible verses on them. On one side, the coin read, “Where will you spend eternity?” and on the other, “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:16″.

Following a McClatchy newspaper report about the proselytising coins, a force was sent to the western gate of Fallujah and the Marines there were searched, Isho said. One man was found with the coins, removed from the gate and will no longer be working in predominantly Sunni Anbar province, he said.

Yesterday, the US military apologised for the incident, telling McClatchy special correspondent Jamal Naji that action would be taken following an investigation.

Would that he were the only one.

But he’s not.

As the war in Iraq moves into its next phase, Christian missionaries are moving forward with their own battle plans: to distribute humanitarian aid and spread the gospel to the region’s Muslims. TIME’s Broward Liston spoke with Albert Mohler, the boyish president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary and reigning intellectual of the evangelical movement in the U.S., about the challenges facing missionaries venturing into potentially hostile territory:

To many, the image of American missionaries lining the Iraq- Jordan border, preparing to distribute food, clothing, tents and medical supplies as soon as the shooting dies down, looks eerily like a second invasion. Or at least a profoundly destabilizing force, an army prepared to act on the inflammatory words lobbed between evangelical Christian ministers and anti-American Muslim clerics.

That’s a false impression, says Albert Mohler. The missionaries, he says, whose aim is partly humanitarian, see themselves as part of a tradition dating back 2000 years, to the mission that brought Jesus to Jerusalem. It was a journey that provoked unrest, frightened authority and led Christ to the cross, but ultimately, Christians believe, delivered a life-saving message to the world.

(And, yes, this is the same Albert Mohler who had some interesting ideas about preventing homosexuality in the womb.)

And so it goes. And so more missionaries go to Iraq.

Fears are growing that the presence in Iraq of foreign Christians will increase the risk of violence against foreigners and local Christians alike. Paul McGeough reports from Baghdad.

After the declaration of “a war for souls” by US Christians, the arrival in Iraq of missionaries with almost a million Arabic translations of the Bible has become a new security flashpoint.

Non-religious aid workers accuse the missionaries of exposing all foreigners to more attacks because of the risk of inflaming Muslim sensitivities.

After the murder last week of four US missionaries at Mosul, in the north, an American church worker refused to talk to The Age, because the reporting of any identifying information could make him and his church a target. “You guys (reporters) are spotters for snipers,” he said.

A spate of deadly attacks on foreigners has left US occupation officials in Iraq confused as to whether the four were targeted because they were foreigners or because they were missionaries.

But they have taken the precaution of removing a list of about 50 Christian aid groups from public files in Baghdad.

…But when a US Christian website reported the death of the missionaries in Mosul, it left a question mark on such claims, stating: “As a tactic in such sensitive areas, missionaries engage in ‘good works’, reaching out through humanitarian efforts, and sharing their faith with appreciative and curious locals only when asked about it.”

The unguarded rhetoric and pumped-up claims on these sites are seen by some Iraqis as proof the invasion of their country was part of a US war against Islam.

And why shouldn’t they? We’ve had generals who’ve declared just such a war.

Lt. Gen. William G. “Jerry” Boykin, the new deputy undersecretary of Defense for intelligence, is a much-decorated and twice-wounded veteran of covert military operations. From the bloody 1993 clash with Muslim warlords in Somalia chronicled in “Black Hawk Down” and the hunt for Colombian drug czar Pablo Escobar to the ill-fated attempt to rescue American hostages in Iran in 1980, Boykin was in the thick of things.

Yet the former commander and 13-year veteran of the Army’s top-secret Delta Force is also an outspoken evangelical Christian who appeared in dress uniform and polished jump boots before a religious group in Oregon in June to declare that radical Islamists hated the United States “because we’re a Christian nation, because our foundation and our roots are Judeo-Christian … and the enemy is a guy named Satan.”

Discussing the battle against a Muslim warlord in Somalia, Boykin told another audience, “I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.”

“We in the army of God, in the house of God, kingdom of God have been raised for such a time as this,” Boykin said last year.

On at least one occasion, in Sandy, Ore., in June, Boykin said of President Bush: “He’s in the White House because God put him there.”
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Kanson
The whole problem started as you mistreated Tamils. Everything becomes normal once you start correcting the mess your politicians created.
Name a nation that has not mistreated their minorities. Punishment should be similar to the crime. In our case, it was much higher price.
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SwamyG
1. Why do you consider US is your enemy?
Yeah, Chetak and Philip answer the question well. The final outcome is destabilization.
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thusitha wrote:
Kanson
The whole problem started as you mistreated Tamils. Everything becomes normal once you start correcting the mess your politicians created.
Name a nation that has not mistreated their minorities. Punishment should be similar to the crime. In our case, it was much higher price.
Now this is what I call a great excuse for being unapologetic about committing genocide and claiming victimhood at the same time!
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thusitha wrote:
Kanson
The whole problem started as you mistreated Tamils. Everything becomes normal once you start correcting the mess your politicians created.
Name a nation that has not mistreated their minorities. Punishment should be similar to the crime. In our case, it was much higher price.
But apart from Pakistan & Sri Lanka all countries that have past-records of mistreating minorities has also successfully put these minorities in positions of power. Look at Barack Obama in US and MMS, Fakhruddin Ali Ahmed to your north.

Sri Lanka is unique in that not a single tamil or muslim has ever held power in that country. It increasingly looks like a major part of the problem in Sri Lanka is the attitude of the Sinhala community towards minorities.
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Kanson
You mean even the looting of national wealth?
It is laughable when Indian talks about Corruption. It is rampant in India at highest levels. So, should you be speaking about corruption? You need to get your house in order before you start preaching.
I don't know who you represent here, the politicans are the Srilankans, these politicians sent your War hero to prison and I see you singing praise.
Common misconception. He was a war hero. Remember 60% voted for MR. The people don't believe he should be any longer held in that status.

Please note, I have zero affiliation of either MR or GR or have ever voted for either of them. I am politically neutral person, although you see me supporting MR and GR until a better candidate for presidency arrives.
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Guys,please research Lankan/Ceylonese history and learn thetrue facts.During the British Raj,lakhs of Indian "indentured" labour were hauled off to all parts of the world,including Ceylon,to work on plantations.In Ceylon,in the Kandyan highlands,the British kicked out the natives from their land dispossessing them,and "planted" these poor unfortunates,to work promising them ownership after several years.When the unfortunates years later asked for their "promised" land,they were kicked in the backside and sent back to the tea gardens with the whip!

Meanwhile,another very important act was to follow.In the north of the island,where the "Jaffna Tamils" live,English education was begun by US missionaries .These Tamils were the first to benefit from an English education and were alter used as pliant loyal babus to run the country along with Sinhalese minorities who were also sent to Oxford,Phoxford,etc.The mass of the Ceylonese,the Kandyans and Govigamas-the main Sinhalese agricultural coommunity,were deprived of such benefits and their language spoken by more than 80% of the country Sinhalese and religion Buddhism was supressed.It was "divide and rule" all the way! Even the Kandyan aristocracy,the Radelyas,were told that it was the duty of their sons to look after their land and NOT to rub shoulders in Oxford,Phoxford,wherever,with low-caste Ceylonese minorities.

Thus on the eve of Ceylon's independence,the majority of key gvot. posts were held by the minorities,especially the Jaffna Tamils (approx 17%)who held most of the plum diplomatic and other posts (70%).The plight of the poor "Indian Tamils",who were treated as "coolies" even by their Jaffna Tamil brethren,was further compounded by their disenfrachisation by the first Ceylonese govt. of DS Senanayake of the UNP (Uncle,Nephew,Party),acting on the advice of his good friend,none other than GG Ponnambalam a prominent Jaffna Tamil politico! Thus was created the issue of "stateless citizens",which was finally resolved through the agreement between Mrs.G and Mrs.B.,each country agreeing to take a certain number back.

At the time of Independence-granted,not fought for as in India,the old-school-tie meant more than ethnic background in the poltiical pecking order.An eclectic mix of the westernised Ceylonese political "nobility" ,who had almost all studied in Oxford,Phoxford,wherever,ran the country.But the pent up demands and aspirations of the Sinhlaese majority found expression when SWRD Bandaranaike,betrayed by DSS and the UNP,formed a new party of village school teachers,and rural folk in the main ,the SLFP and won a famous election on the promise to make Sinhala the national language.The pendelum had swung the other way.The JTs now were afraid of losing their hugely imbalanced cornering of govt. jobs and demanded at first "50-50".This demand was naturally turned down.A satyagraha was attacked violently and when riots erupted in the late '50s,Bandaranaike shelved his deal with Chelvanayagam to give the Tamil community a fair share of jobs,autonomy (at that time envisaged as only district autonomy) ,the famous "B-C" pact.Right wing Sinhalese elements in a conspiracy then assassinated him for his "treason" in wishing to give autonomy to the Tamil community.

After this tragic event,Tamil autonomy was a taboo subject for the succeeding govts. especially after Ceylon became a Republic.These govts. also did not have the reqd. majority to push through reforms in Parliament,with the opposition just as in Kerala,always winning the next election.Mrs.B. had to install coalition govts. with the Commies,Trotskyites,etc. also sharing power.This motley baggage broought in a disastrous land reform,beggaring in the rocess the landed Oxford,Phoxford gentry and public-school elite,dismembering their efficiently run tea and rubber estates and saw to it that the economy went downhill .Despite huge foreign reserves,shortages were rife with few imports of basic neccessities thanks to the "China wing" of the SLFP coalition,and in a massive blowback,JR Jayawardene,came to power at a late stage in his life.This right-wing pro-US plitico,went whole-hog feeding his nation with a crony-capitalist diet and betrayed the Tamils to whom he had given massive promises when out of power,with crumbs of the promised autonomy.
Here I have a great first person story to tell.When in opposition he had told a friend/diplomat at a banquet ,that when he won the coming election he would throw out all the old aging bandicoots in his party.It never happened.When the diplomat returned after an assignment overseas and met JRJ ,who had now made himself "executive president",dumping the Westminister model,before the diplomat could even speak to him JRJ asked him if he remembered the conversation at the banquet .The diplomat said "yes" and asked him why he had not done so.JRJ laughed and said "that's what politics is all about!")
This betrayal and aggro against the JTs in the Jaffna Peninsula led to the minor riots of '81,the deliberate burning of the Jaffna library and the tragic riots of '83 .This led to the armed struggle by the JTs and the emergence of armed Tamil groups including the LTTE and the demand for a Tamil "Eelam".It is here that the actiivities of the western powers especially the US must be noted.JUst as we are seeing in Libya,where British military forces and even ex-SAS members have been active on the ground,so too were the LTTE supported,first to eliminate all other Tamil groups and then to act as "destabilisers" of the Indian subcontinent as the Cold War still raged .Rajiv G's assassination was also part of the plan as the west was alarmed with the way in which he put down the attempted coup in the Maldives using Indian military forces and the use of the IPKF to tame the LTTE in Lanka even at the cost of 2000+ Indian soldier's lives and forcing thr Lankan govt. of JRJ to sign an Indo-Lanka Pact (with an infamous clause that joined the north and east provinces together into one entity and effectively chopped little Lanka into another India divided into several "provinces",hated by the majority Sinhalese).He also sent Romesh Bhandari to try and stop the Iran-Iraq War,which was another plot of the US to beggar both il-rich nations. He had to be first politically and then physically eliminated.His mother Mrs.G.was earlier eliminated by Khalistanis acting also on behalf of the Pakis/CIA.How did the Bofors scandal emerge? It was a deliberate leak from the west to destabilise his govt. so that he would lose the election and then to bump him off when out of power using the LTTE when his security would be compromised!

An even more right-wing Premadasa took over from JRJ,who belonged not to the Oxford,Phoxford educated eltie,but had risen from a lowly caste and represented the aspirations of the masses.He kicked out the IPKF when a servile VP Singh was Indian PM and reneged on all his promises,even arming the LTTE to fight the IPKF! For his kind acts towards the LTTE,its fuhrer Prabhakaran bumped him off! Next came govts of Chandrika daughter of SWRD and Mrs.B. and Ranil W,JRJ's nephew.Both could not bring about reforms in parliament and gvie the Tamils a due measure of autonomy due to the proportional representation system that JRJ brought in to prevent another "first pass the post" majority from tinkering with his new constitution and presdiential system.The LTTE all the while kept arming itself with the help of the Tamil diaspora,illegal arms and drug trafficking,and active military,financial and political support from certain western entities like Norway,pretending to be "peacemakers".IT further strengthened itself politically by bumping off all Tamil pioliticos who favoured a poitical settlement.Chandrika was almost assasinated by Prabhakaran and lost an eye.He saw to it that a Tamil boycott of the election brought Rajapakse to power instead of affable Ranil.

Thus came Rajapakse with a one-point agenda to rid the nation of the pernicious LTTE and with the help of his brother Goty,who survived an LTTE assasination attempt himself.With India behaving as "once bitten twice shy",though providing covert intel help,Rajapakse obtained as much war material help from China and Pak and exterminated the LTTE in a brilliant campaign led by now-in-disgrace Gen. Fonseka,hugely helped by the defection of the eastern Tamils of different ethnic strain by Prabhakaran's deputy "Col." Karuna. In this campaign,there was no Geneva Convention rules and "collateral damage" was massive.All the efforts of the "King's horses and men" could not save the lives of the LTTE's fuhrer and his merry men! Thus we have the "war crimes" campaign against the current Lankan govt.How much of the "collateral damage" was accidental and how much by design remains very controversial.The GOSL has been quite at sea in dealing with the western propaganda campaign aganist it.Right now the Libyan War and desatbilisation of Syria is on.Wait for these two campaigns to settle down and once again the GOSL will be in the firing line.

As I've said before,the GOSL must do more on all fronts.Rehabilitating the northern JTs ,giving them due respect and equal opportunity along with the rest of the ethnic groups in the ountry,allowing for a new Tamil political generation to emerge representing them,and also allowing transparency in governance so that the entire country is politically placated .Having fought for so long,the tendency and "seige mentality" of the GOSL must be set aside.It also requires a new PR strategy that shows its genuine intent on the ground clearly.Actions are as important as words. If it does not relax and allows for the safety valve of free and fair elections and vocal expression-fereedom of speech,then one cannot rule out in the future another group of southern dissent from emerging as successors to the JVP.

The GOI also has its act cut out and meer words are no substitute for deeds.The generous Chinese gifts and funding in massive infrastructure projects,Paki military assistance,require skillful Indian diplomacy,which at times has been abysmal.Sadly I have been like "a prophet,with honour except in his own country",crying in the wilderness.A close pal of the MEA when I bemoaned the utter asinne nature of the MEA/GOI in being mostly blind to the looming PRC,Paki and western manipulations and infiltration in the island,once put it perfectly,"Delhi has a different perspective"!
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thusitha wrote:
SwamyG
1. Why do you consider US is your enemy?
Yeah, Chetak and Philip answer the question well. The final outcome is destabilization.
Pity.

Much sadness later can be avoided with some little compromise now.

The SL Tamils are not going anywhere soon. It's their country too. They have as much a stake in it as any other.

Maybe it's the historical origins of the sinhalese that preclude such a compromise?
thusitha?
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thusitha wrote:
Kanson
The whole problem started as you mistreated Tamils. Everything becomes normal once you start correcting the mess your politicians created.
Name a nation that has not mistreated their minorities. Punishment should be similar to the crime. In our case, it was much higher price.
Fine. Past is past.* Will Srilanka reform itself now? Will it accord the dignity and compassion that all humans desire to the tamilians?

* It is easy for me to say that because I have not been affected.
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http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2011/08/ ... .html?_r=1
Sri Lanka President Lifts Wartime Laws
COLOMBO (Reuters) - Sri Lankan President Mahinda Rajapaksa Thursday lifted strict wartime emergency laws that have drawn criticism from the West and India, saying the advent of peace since the end of civil war in 2009 made them unnecessary. The regulations gave the government wide powers to arrest people without charge as the country fought the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) separatists in a quarter-century war that ended in government victory in May 2009. "To carry forward the day-to-day activities in a democratic way, I propose there is no need of emergency regulations anymore," Rajapaksa told parliament. "There has been no terrorist activity since the end of the war in May 2009." The regulations, put in place off and on since a Marxist insurgency erupted in 1971, have been continuously in force since August 2005 after an LTTE sniper assassinated Foreign Minister Lakshman Kadirgamar in the capital, Colombo. The government still has the powerful Prevention of Terrorism Act at its disposal, which allows warrantless arrests and searches if a person is suspected of involvement in "terrorist activity." The defence minister -- currently, President Rajapaksa -- can also order detentions of up to three months at a time for a maximum of 18 months. Under the law, suspects do have a right to trial but not by jury. Sri Lanka has been relaxing the emergency laws in steps since May 2010, as it seeks to open itself up to post-war investment to boost its $50 billion (30 billion pounds) economy
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SwamyG
Fine. Past is past.* Will Srilanka reform itself now? Will it accord the dignity and compassion that all humans desire to the tamilians?

* It is easy for me to say that because I have not been affected.
Tamils are at very high places such as lawyers, doctors, accountants, policemen e.t.c. If a good Tamil politician can come and show their love for the whole country instead of a just a northern part of the country, I think Sri Lankan's would vote for such a person. I believe that people like Karuna, Douglas Devanandha has earned bit of Trust of Sri Lankans. I honestly believe that we should follow the Indian model and give some high level ministerial posts to Tamils, but not sure whether there are Tamil people who can forget the past and look to the future, the way Obama did. The only way this can happen is Tamils loose their ethnic identity and get a national identity and become true Sri Lankans.
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thusitha wrote:The only way this can happen is Tamils loose their ethnic identity and get a national identity and become true Sri Lankans.
Have the Sinhalese lost their Sinhalese identity to become Sri Lankans?
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S.M.Krishna conducts Pro Sri Lanka Campaign in Indian Parliament
http://truthdive.com/2011/08/06/s-m-kri ... ament.html

Krishnas stand on Lankan war crimes sparks walk
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/krishnas-sta ... 0-118.html

Congresees is ready to sell indian people and their feelings for money and favours. This is true with S M Krishna in his recent anti-Indian concerns including Tamils in South India.
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The "Hanging" Q.Should these criminals whose appeal has been rejected by the Pres. hang or enjoy living as state guests?

Firstly,the assassination was pre-meditaeted.There was a"dry run" by Sivararasan.There was ample time for the co-conspirators to rethink and withdraw from the conspiracy.They all had deadly intent.It was to be a revenge killing and to cripple the Indian state into inaction against the LTTE.

Secondly,two are foreign nationals.So what if they are "Tamils"? They should be treated the same way that terrorists who infiltrate India-J&K from Pakistan are dealt with,shot on sight.

Thirdly,the SC has heard the merits of the cae for clemency and has rejected it.In their opinion the perpetrators of this vile deed must hang.

Fourthly,the Indian Pres. has rejected the mercy petition.No matter how long this appeal process has taken,in this case,where for the first time ever,both foreign and Indian nationals conspired to assassinate a former Indian PM,who was on the verge of winning a gen. election,which his party ultimately did. The aim of the assassins and thei fuhrer was to paralyse India from taking military action against the LTTE as India had done earlier when RG was PM.There can be no clemency for such a dastardly deed.Whatever one's view on capital punishment,as of now,the Indian state allows it for the "rarest of the rare" cases which this certainly is.

Lastly,it is not just RG alone.What about all the others who were also killed with him? His ecurity guards and innocent by-standers,what about their families and loved ones.Has Nalini's daighter EVER written to any of these families asking for forgiveness for the deeds of her murderous father? has anyone interviewed thse poor families at all? The specimens like Vaiko and co. are trying to carve out a political reason for clemency.They too were hand-in-glove with the LTTE for decades and actually an investigation must be started as to determine if they too were involved in the assassination! we all know how desperate Vaiko and co. were for their fuhrer Prabhakaran and other senior LTTE colleagues.As I warned just after the extermination of the LTTE,they would try and regroup in Tamilnadu using Quislings like Vaiko and co.,who has openly threatened that TN will secede from India if these vile scumbags are hanged! Vaiko should be tried for treason and if found guilty suffer the fate of all traitors as laid down in the Indian penal code.
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Cong Govt releasing the news about Hanging at this time is to divert the news about their mishandling of Srilanka particularly by S M Krishna. they used president's office for this purpose so that president will reject at this time the mercy which she kept for more than 5 years Congress government is abusing the whole legal, president office and also even their abuse of governance against people and they continue to defend all criminals. To be frank the money that they have stolen from India, they all will have to be behind the bars for what they have done and also some of their criminality and cover up many of them should have been hanged to be frank. I am noticing even in the case of Ramdev they abuse the legal system to get their opponents into prison or get rid them.

Even basic amenties not provided to Tamils
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/even-basic-a ... 0-118.html

Bangalore protests against death for Rajiv killers
Read more at: http://www.ndtv.com/article/cities/bang ... -130310&cp

Lankan Daily Praises Krishna Over Fishing Issue
http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?733198

Krishna sues PTI news agency for calling him absent-minded
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... ice-report
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SMK is India's equivalent to the Keystone Cops! He can't read the right speech at the UN,doesn't know who is in jail in which country and possibly has top rating globally for the diplomatic buffoon of the year prize.He has compounded his idiocy and cretinous capability by behaving like a moronic monkey, delivering in the most serious of tones when his latest faux pas,which makes it all even more side-splitting!
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Philip wrote: The specimens like Vaiko and co. are trying to carve out a political reason for clemency.They too were hand-in-glove with the LTTE for decades and actually an investigation must be started as to determine if they too were involved in the assassination! we all know how desperate Vaiko and co. were for their fuhrer Prabhakaran and other senior LTTE colleagues.As I warned just after the extermination of the LTTE,they would try and regroup in Tamilnadu using Quislings like Vaiko and co.,who has openly threatened that TN will secede from India if these vile scumbags are hanged! Vaiko should be tried for treason and if found guilty suffer the fate of all traitors as laid down in the Indian penal code.
vaiko is a buffoon.

It was a grave mistake of the Tamilnadu assembly to pass such a traitorous resolution.

Are they part of India or what??
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The annhilated DMK,Vaiko and co. in the recent TN elections have nothing to offer the people of their state.The media in TN is full of arrests of "land-grabbing" DMK ministers,who stole/extorted valuable land from their owners allegedly using thuggery,fraud,etc.to obtain thse properties.Some top erstwhile DMK ministers have gone into hiding.Vaiko and co. have been decimated by Jayalaitha.These buffoons however are quite dangerous and have rsorted to stirring up Tamil sentiments about Rajiv's assassins as if they were innocent and were being victimised! The demos,etc. in favour of clemency for the assassins are reportedly being carried out by the desperate defeated cadre who are clutching at the straw of sedition to gain political space.They are being propped up materially by the Eelamists as well.
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Oh just another matinee show, ignore it.

Actually it would be better if Con-gress were to hang them because that would show clearly the double game they play - false sympathy towards assassins that killed dozens of innocent 'aam aadmi' for whom they claim to live, and ruthlessness towards killers of one well protected member of their dynasty for political reasons.

Some rapist goon propaganda yellow puppets that are engaging in lucrative side business of dynasty propaganda will never be able to live it down..

What would they say if Advani or RSS chief were to release a book that claims Rajiv was actually killed in internal family feud like Digvijay did (and then issue a denial saying they simply released a book, doesn't mean they agree with the contents)?
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Fine. Past is past.* Will Srilanka reform itself now? Will it accord the dignity and compassion that all humans desire to the tamilians?

* It is easy for me to say that because I have not been affected.
Tamils are at very high places such as lawyers, doctors, accountants, policemen e.t.c. If a good Tamil politician can come and show their love for the whole country instead of a just a northern part of the country, I think Sri Lankan's would vote for such a person. I believe that people like Karuna, Douglas Devanandha has earned bit of Trust of Sri Lankans. I honestly believe that we should follow the Indian model and give some high level ministerial posts to Tamils, but not sure whether there are Tamil people who can forget the past and look to the future, the way Obama did. The only way this can happen is Tamils loose their ethnic identity and get a national identity and become true Sri Lankans.
What did Obama do? The Civil War was in the 1860s and America abolished slavery. Yet it took almost 100 years for the Civil Rights Movement to make its mark in the 1960s. The African Americans have had a long history of suffering, still they have not broken the glass ceiling in several areas and racism exists. Things are getting, definitely. It will take time.

So will be the case in Srilanka. Once there is a climate of justice and fairness; it will take decades for true peace to settle in. As it was a Civil War in my opinion, there is no point in punishing Sinhalese and Tamilians. The onus was on Sinhalese though for the War Crimes - not the common people, but the leaders in powers. I am willing to overlook the past injustices and move on, but the people who actually suffered might not. So it is going to be little tricky there. Like I said, it is easy for me to sit on a comfy sofa and talk bravely or magnanimously; the Srilankan tamilians might have a different opinion. So it will be important to convince those leaders. They can be convinced if Sinhalese leaders are honest and willing to share the country. The onus is on the Sinhalese to come forward and lay out the specs of the future country. Then expect the tamilians to participate and together create a new country.

The Indian model, does not erase the ethical identities. It allows different identities and sub-cultures to exist. The Indic culture does not mind chaos. A particular identity emerges or shines on a case to case basis. Sometimes, the "humanness" shines more, sometimes the lingual distinction, sometimes the religion and sometimes the national identity. Giving high level posts based on lingual and ethical identity is not going to work. They do not need take-outs, they deserve equal opportunities.
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Much water has flown in the Cooum since the end of anti-LTTE war but unfortunately one now has to come to a conclusion that MR has no serious intent to do even the most humane, simple and logical things that are really required to be done. He has become expert in playing super powers against one another, getting India to support him by playing China card when West makes noise. And our Kollywood sep tank jokers in TN politics have no clue on what to do other than make big noise and enact dramas.

He he is painting SL into a corner from which only LTTE v2.0 can release it...unless Srilankan wake up and smell the sh.t and do something pretty quick.
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‘Death penalty is nothing but brutal murder by state’
http://www.asianage.com/ideas/death-pen ... -state-814

India execution order prompts debate on death penalty
India has set an execution date for the three men convicted of plotting the assassination of Rajiv Gandhi, the former prime minister, prompting a debate on whether it should abolish the death penalty.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... nalty.html
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Sri Lanka Buddhist monks destroy Muslim shrine
A group of Buddhist monks in Sri Lanka led a crowd that demolished a Muslim shrine last week, the BBC has learned.

This incident took place on Saturday in Anuradhapura, an ancient Buddhist city and Unesco world heritage site.

The monk who led the group told the BBC he did it because the shrine was on land that was given to Sinhalese Buddhists 2,000 years ago.

But a prominent Muslim in the area said he was very sad and the sentiment was shared by many Sinhalese too.

A Sri Lankan news website showed photographs of a crowd including monks apparently reducing a small structure to a pile of rubble.
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