Internal Security Watch

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 22 Sep 2010 05:34

^ Agreed. May not be a conspiracy per se. Facing facts, employment options for a lot of 'em yoots are somewhat constrained, perhaps.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 22 Sep 2010 10:28

chetak wrote:Has anyone noticed how the market for mobiles and cell phone thingies have been cornered by a particular lot? As is the auto / taxi transportation sector in most cities.

As some others already pointed out. This need to be a conspiracy at all. Could be the lack of education which allows folks to get other jobs, or a liking towards these kind of jobs (mechanics, drivers etc.). Odd-man jobs are also much easier to get, and if folks are ready to take up these jobs then they can get it. I dont think there is any specific game plan which disallows people from "certain community" to start mobile repair shops, mobile sales, auto repair shops etc. Any body can give it a try.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 23 Sep 2010 10:59

US Embassy issues alert

http://newdelhi.usembassy.gov/service/i ... sages.html

Communal Tensions Possible Following Babri Masjid Verdict September 23, 2010
The Allahabad High Court will pronounce its verdict on the Ram Janambhoomi-Babri Masjid property title dispute on Friday, September 24, 2010. In the past, communal tensions over this property dispute have led to protests and sectarian violence. U.S. citizens in India should avoid demonstrations, exercise caution, maintain a low profile, and monitor local media for security updates.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 23 Sep 2010 11:03

RamaY wrote:^ Not that it is a bad thing or a conspiracy.

But the two cab companies I used, couldn't find a single driver who can speak Telugu in Hyderabad. On the other hand most of the call-center people are Telugus.

I talked to some experts. The skills required to build IED is the same as car/bike mechanic

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 23 Sep 2010 11:43

Folks, various media sources are reporting about attacks on Ganesha Visarajan processions. I had reported about such an incident in Kerala, and guess a few others gave news reports from other parts of India. Is there any organised attempt to thwart the Ganesh Visarajans? And why only Ganesh Visarajans? In Bengaluru this time the police had demarcated a specific route, with large police bandobust for Visarjans happening in Ulsoor Lake.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 23 Sep 2010 12:03

Ganesh procession attacked for one hour in Borsad,7 murthy broken,30 injured

Attack on Ganesh immersion processions spark clashes in Vadodara

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 23 Sep 2010 14:44

Ayodhya Case Deferred:

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 23 Sep 2010 17:24

abhishek_sharma wrote:Ayodhya Case Deferred:

Good move, everyone is asking for this.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 23 Sep 2010 18:46

Kanson wrote:
abhishek_sharma wrote:Ayodhya Case Deferred:

Good move, everyone is asking for this.

Typical smear piece from LA Times: India braces for Babri Masjid ruling - http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... 4582.story

In the run-up, hard-line Hindu groups have organized awareness campaigns and hymn programs to Hanuman, the monkey god and associate of Rama, a deity who many Hindus believe was born at the site in Ayodhya.

In addition to land-ownership issues, a related and highly emotional matter before the court is whether Ram, one of Hinduism's most important gods (and technically a plaintiff) was born at the site.

If the court has any sense, it won't touch that question with a 10-foot pole, said Soli Sorabjee, a former attorney general. "It's like ruling on whether Jesus existed or not," he said. "It's absurd."

As with other contested sites worldwide, the Babri Masjid's history is rather opaque. The mosque was built in 1528 by a commander of Mughal Emperor Babar [1483-1530] on land known as Ram Janambhoomi to Hindus. It was long beloved by both faiths for the sweet, medicinal waters from a well in the central courtyard.

At some point, belief spread among Hindus that a Ram temple had been destroyed to build the Babri Masjid, said local historian Sushil Srivastava, although the archeological evidence is inconclusive.

The current conflict dates to 1949 when zealots planted Hindu idols in the inner mosque on the night of Dec. 22-23 — hailed by Hindu crowds as a miracle. When Muslims protested, the state ruled it a disputed site and locked it up.

No mention that the core legal issue is whether there was a pre-existing temple. A "local historian" Srivastava is brought in to rubbish the Archeolgical Survey report.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 23 Sep 2010 18:54

@DeshGujarat: Sohrabuddin case key witness AzamKhan says CBI pressurized/threatened took signature on blank papers http://bit.ly/d0tVsv

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 23 Sep 2010 20:28

Just narrating a few security incidents that I saw on my visit to India:

Was in Mumbai airport, flying international. Passing through security check after immigration. Was standing in the queue, when a person wearing airport staff uniform (blue suit), pointed to another staff who was on the other side of the security barrier, saying "tell the guard he has money". Saying this quietly but loud enough for me and maybe whoever was standing next to me in the queue to hear. I gave him a dirty look and he realised his mistake and didnt say anything. He Crossed the security checks and was negotiating with a CISF guard.

I think What appears to be happening is that the airport workers act as agents, for smugglers or whoever. Airport baggage workers act as agents if you want to take excess baggage. Was quite sad to see.

On the whole, from my experience this time. Common folk are a little scared to approach local police for their problems, so they usually go with local politicians(small time congress/BJP etc party workers) backing. There is a fear that police will ask for bribes, if you report a case. There was an incident where police took money from both sides in a recent case and tried to play fair between both parties.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exEdUodQmoo

This video shot by a close friend of mine's relative of corruption in the TN Police. The video is in tamil. You can see at the end of the video that the person who shot the video was arrested and the camera seized. The person is from a well connected family - powerful politicians etc. This person who shot the video was beaten by the police for 3 weeks and an attempt was made to kill him in a fake encounter. But this was stopped because the police jeep who was transferring him to a rural police station, was unable to get away from convoy of family members travelling in cars behind the jeep. In the end, the police beat him up and released him. False news was put in the papers - saying that the incident was false and never happened. Then once the video was released, the state media said it was under investigation. Looks like the money (Rs10k) was going to a senior police officer in Tirupur, DSP level.

Another incident that happened in Chennai.

This was reported in Jaya TV. A group of rich kids from Chennai at night had blocked off a road in their shiny Mercedes's. The chairman of Sun Cinemas (part of the Sun TV group DMK group) Saxena was travelling in a vehicle and found the road blocked by these kids. The driver asked the kids to remove their car from the road and allow them to pass through. Kids refused rudely. After some negotiation, it turned to violence when Sun Cinemas guy beat up one of the kids and a brawl had taken place with the kids and the Chairman/CEO's passengers. THe next day, the Chairman sent in 40 DMK affiiiated gangsters to surround each and every boys house. Smashing their cars and damaging property. Asking for the boys to come out of their houses. A warning was sent to them, saying no FIR can be filed in any police station, no media house will report the incidnt apart from Jaya TV. The gangsters also damaged some of the businesses of one of the boys, one of which was a 5* hotel. Country grenades were thrown and chandeliers/cars etc were damaged. There were foreign tourists inside who were almost harmed. In the Jaya TV report, they were saying if they were hurt by these attacks it would have made national news.

Anyway, so it turns out that the Police was used to bring out one of the boys under the reason of "questioning". The Chennai police delivered the boy into the hands of the gangsters, who swiftly drove the boy to the beach. Broke his fingers, and made phone calls to the rest of his friends to give themselves up. One other boy was kidnapped and its unknown whether he was dead or alive. While all this was happening, the parents were ringing Chidu, Rajnikanth begging for some intervention.

Its amazing that these guys can have that much power.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 23 Sep 2010 20:59

But this must be the rarest of the rare incidents where extreme poverty of the common man in uniform made them transgress a "little bit"? Somehow isn't economic motivations the Ganges water for all such deeds if perpetrated by the strictly designated categories of people - police, security personnel, only certain religion's certain types of followers etc?

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 23 Sep 2010 22:17

1.5 lakh detonators and 1500 kg explosives seized in Bihar

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 23 Sep 2010 22:23

Acharya wrote:
RamaY wrote:^ Not that it is a bad thing or a conspiracy.

But the two cab companies I used, couldn't find a single driver who can speak Telugu in Hyderabad. On the other hand most of the call-center people are Telugus.
I talked to some experts. The skills required to build IED is the same as car/bike mechanic

That definitely is a sad coincidence.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 24 Sep 2010 02:03

Has there been a discussion here about 'Stuxnet' ?

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 24 Sep 2010 05:47

As we’ve explained in our recent W32.Stuxnet blog series, Stuxnet infects Windows systems in its search for industrial control systems, often generically (but incorrectly) known as SCADA systems. Industrial control systems consist of Programmable Logic Controllers (PLCs), which can be thought of as mini-computers that can be programmed from a Windows system. These PLCs contain special code that controls the automation of industrial processes—for instance, to control machinery in a plant or a factory. Programmers use software (e.g., on a Windows PC) to create code and then upload their code to the PLCs.

Previously, we reported that Stuxnet can steal code and design projects and also hide itself using a classic Windows rootkit, but unfortunately it can also do much more. Stuxnet has the ability to take advantage of the programming software to also upload its own code to the PLC in an industrial control system that is typically monitored by SCADA systems. In addition, Stuxnet then hides these code blocks, so when a programmer using an infected machine tries to view all of the code blocks on a PLC, they will not see the code injected by Stuxnet. Thus, Stuxnet isn’t just a rootkit that hides itself on Windows, but is the first publicly known rootkit that is able to hide injected code located on a PLC.

In particular, Stuxnet hooks the programming software, which means that when someone uses the software to view code blocks on the PLC, the injected blocks are nowhere to be found. This is done by hooking enumeration, read, and write functions so that you can’t accidentally overwrite the hidden blocks as well.

Stuxnet contains 70 encrypted code blocks that appear to replace some “foundation routines” that take care of simple yet very common tasks, such as comparing file times and others that are custom code and data blocks. Before some of these blocks are uploaded to the PLC, they are customized depending on the PLC.

By writing code to the PLC, Stuxnet can potentially control or alter how the system operates. A previous historic example includes a reported case of stolen code that impacted a pipeline. Code was secretly “Trojanized” to function properly and only some time after installation instruct the host system to increase the pipeline's pressure beyond its capacity. This resulted in a three kiloton explosion, about 1/5 the size of the Hiroshima bomb.

Thus, in addition to cleaning up the Stuxnet malware, administrators with machines infected with Stuxnet need to audit for unexpected code in their PLC devices. We are still examining some of the code blocks to determine exactly what they do and will have more information soon on how Stuxnet impacts real-world industrial control systems.

Finally, we’ve reserved the in-depth technical details on how Stuxnet achieves this rootkit functionality for a future technical whitepaper, which will delve into other features of Stuxnet as well that we haven’t had a chance to blog about. For example, a couple of other interesting things include the fact that it uses an infection counter before deleting itself (it is set to ‘3’) and also can use MS08-067, the same vulnerability used by Downadup (a.k.a. Conficker) to spread.

Source : Symantec

Apparently, India is among the top 5 nations to be hit by the 'Stuxnet' worm.It is the first malware known to target and infiltrate industrial supervisory control and data acquisition software used to run chemical plants and factories as well as electric power plants and transmission systems worldwide.

Here's the scary part :

Stuxnet simply sits and waits – checking every five seconds to see if its exact parameters are met on the system. When they are, Stuxnet is programmed to activate a sequence that will cause the industrial process to self-destruct. "Stuxnet is the key for a very specific lock – in fact, there is only one lock in the world that it will open," Langner says in an interview. "The whole attack is not at all about stealing data but about manipulation of a specific industrial process at a specific moment in time. This is not generic. It is about destroying that process."

Rupesh · Post by **Rupesh** » 24 Sep 2010 06:15

Marad murder: Court acquits all accused

The Special Additional Sessions Court (Marad cases), Kozhikode on Thursday acquitted all the 16 accused in the case relating to the murder of Hindu fisherman Thekkethodi Kunjumon at Marad, a fishing village near Beypore harbour.

The case was that a group of assailants hacked Kunjumon to death on the night of January 3, 2002 during communal unrest in the fishing village, known as the Marad One riots. Two Hindus and three Muslims were killed in the riots which led to a massacre in Marad in May, 2003, in which eight Hindus were killed.

Special Judge Sophie Thomas acquitted the 16 accused, all Muslims, after the Prosecution failed to prove the charges against them. Seven of the accused are already undergoing life imprisonment – three in the Thekkethodi Shimjith murder case and four in cases related to the Marad Two riots of 2003.

This was the fourth of the five murder cases and one of the total 76 cases related to the Marad One riots. The judge examined 24 witnesses but their depositions were said to be weak. The prosecution said various factors could have led to the acquittal but added that there were some lapses in the investigation of the case.

Those acquitted by the Special Judge were Seemamundakathu Ashraf, Noufal, Thajuddin, Gafoor, Manaf, Sihabuddin, Koyamon, Shihabuddin, Erjuvintakath Sainuddin, Zakir, Kabir, Hanifa, Sadiq, Nalukudiparabu Manaf, Moideen Koya and Latheef.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 24 Sep 2010 08:52

The Ayodhya tangle: From the Urdu Press

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/The-A ... gle/686887

Sahafat, published from Delhi, Mumbai, Lucknow and Dehradun, in its report on September 6, had created a stir by writing that some Muslim members of Parliament and a couple of editors of Urdu papers were trying to incorrectly “advise and mislead” not only Ahmed Patel but the Congress. The paper had said that Minister for Minority Affairs Salman Khurshid and an MP, Mohammad Adeeb, were at the forefront of this move. It had said that led by these two, a campaign was on to persuade the ulema for an agreement on giving up the site of the Babri Masjid for a Ram temple. According to Sahafat (September 9), Adeeb, who is also a member of the All India Muslim Personal Law Board, had spoken about the campaign and said he had talked to Ahmed Patel in this regard. The report went on to say that because of these moves, the “Congress party is trying to move towards the objectives of the RSS and the VHP”. And if it happens, the results would be the “rudest shock” for the Congress in its 125-year-long history.

According to a report from UNI’s Urdu service, published prominently in many newspapers on September 15, the residents of Ayodhya were determined to maintain communal harmony in the town irrespective of the verdict. According to UNI, an SMS doing the rounds in Ayodhya carried recitations from the Koran as well the Gita. Another widely circulated SMS says: “Chehrey naheen, insaan parhey jaatey hein, mazhab naheen, imaan parhey jaatey hein, Bharat hi aisa desh hai jahaan ek sath; Gita aur Koran parhey jatey hain (human beings, not faces are read; honesty, not religions are read; India is the only country where simultaneously, the Gita and Koran are read).”

Nihat · Post by **Nihat** » 24 Sep 2010 11:05

“Chehrey naheen, insaan parhey jaatey hein, mazhab naheen, imaan parhey jaatey hein, Bharat hi aisa desh hai jahaan ek sath; Gita aur Koran parhey jatey hain

beautiful quote, whoever came up with this.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 24 Sep 2010 12:13

shyamd wrote:Just narrating a few security incidents that I saw on my visit to India:

Was in Mumbai airport, flying international. Passing through security check after immigration. Was standing in the queue, when a person wearing airport staff uniform (blue suit), pointed to another staff who was on the other side of the security barrier, saying "tell the guard he has money". Saying this quietly but loud enough for me and maybe whoever was standing next to me in the queue to hear. I gave him a dirty look and he realised his mistake and didnt say anything. He Crossed the security checks and was negotiating with a CISF guard.

I think What appears to be happening is that the airport workers act as agents, for smugglers or whoever. Airport baggage workers act as agents if you want to take excess baggage. Was quite sad to see.

On the whole, from my experience this time. Common folk are a little scared to approach local police for their problems, so they usually go with local politicians(small time congress/BJP etc party workers) backing. There is a fear that police will ask for bribes, if you report a case. There was an incident where police took money from both sides in a recent case and tried to play fair between both parties.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exEdUodQmoo

This video shot by a close friend of mine's relative of corruption in the TN Police. The video is in tamil. You can see at the end of the video that the person who shot the video was arrested and the camera seized. The person is from a well connected family - powerful politicians etc. This person who shot the video was beaten by the police for 3 weeks and an attempt was made to kill him in a fake encounter. But this was stopped because the police jeep who was transferring him to a rural police station, was unable to get away from convoy of family members travelling in cars behind the jeep. In the end, the police beat him up and released him. False news was put in the papers - saying that the incident was false and never happened. Then once the video was released, the state media said it was under investigation. Looks like the money (Rs10k) was going to a senior police officer in Tirupur, DSP level.

Another incident that happened in Chennai.

This was reported in Jaya TV. A group of rich kids from Chennai at night had blocked off a road in their shiny Mercedes's. The chairman of Sun Cinemas (part of the Sun TV group DMK group) Saxena was travelling in a vehicle and found the road blocked by these kids. The driver asked the kids to remove their car from the road and allow them to pass through. Kids refused rudely. After some negotiation, it turned to violence when Sun Cinemas guy beat up one of the kids and a brawl had taken place with the kids and the Chairman/CEO's passengers. THe next day, the Chairman sent in 40 DMK affiiiated gangsters to surround each and every boys house. Smashing their cars and damaging property. Asking for the boys to come out of their houses. A warning was sent to them, saying no FIR can be filed in any police station, no media house will report the incidnt apart from Jaya TV. The gangsters also damaged some of the businesses of one of the boys, one of which was a 5* hotel. Country grenades were thrown and chandeliers/cars etc were damaged. There were foreign tourists inside who were almost harmed. In the Jaya TV report, they were saying if they were hurt by these attacks it would have made national news.

Anyway, so it turns out that the Police was used to bring out one of the boys under the reason of "questioning". The Chennai police delivered the boy into the hands of the gangsters, who swiftly drove the boy to the beach. Broke his fingers, and made phone calls to the rest of his friends to give themselves up. One other boy was kidnapped and its unknown whether he was dead or alive. While all this was happening, the parents were ringing Chidu, Rajnikanth begging for some intervention.

Its amazing that these guys can have that much power.

If they did that , then they deserve to lose thier businesses. And considering thier audacity must not be first time they are doing, they must be made an example of.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 24 Sep 2010 17:07

Aditya_v wrote,

"This was reported in Jaya TV. A group of rich kids from Chennai at night had blocked off a road in their shiny Mercedes's. The chairman of Sun Cinemas (part of the Sun TV group DMK group) Saxena was travelling in a vehicle and found the road blocked by these kids. The driver asked the kids to remove their car from the road and allow them to pass through. Kids refused rudely. After some negotiation, it turned to violence when Sun Cinemas guy beat up one of the kids and a brawl had taken place with the kids and the Chairman/CEO's passengers. THe next day, the Chairman sent in 40 DMK affiiiated gangsters to surround each and every boys house. Smashing their cars and damaging property. Asking for the boys to come out of their houses. A warning was sent to them, saying no FIR can be filed in any police station, no media house will report the incidnt apart from Jaya TV. The gangsters also damaged some of the businesses of one of the boys, one of which was a 5* hotel. Country grenades were thrown and chandeliers/cars etc were damaged. There were foreign tourists inside who were almost harmed. In the Jaya TV report, they were saying if they were hurt by these attacks it would have made national news.

Anyway, so it turns out that the Police was used to bring out one of the boys under the reason of "questioning". The Chennai police delivered the boy into the hands of the gangsters, who swiftly drove the boy to the beach. Broke his fingers, and made phone calls to the rest of his friends to give themselves up. One other boy was kidnapped and its unknown whether he was dead or alive. While all this was happening, the parents were ringing Chidu, Rajnikanth begging for some intervention.

Its amazing that these guys can have that much power."

If they did that , then they deserve to lose thier businesses. And considering thier audacity must not be first time they are doing, they must be made an example of.

There is some concept of reciprocal response. The way this incident has been described, obviously on-spot the CEO's party gave in equal measure to the "rowdy kids". What follows as follow up is the ever-present Indian phenomenon of establishing "prestige" and "honour" - the same mentality that responds with killing anything that is seen to be affecting "honour". In this case it was the CEO's ego that was pricked - the fact that he was challenged, and had not immediate easy way given up to him.

The kids only blocked a CEO's car - what the CEO's goons did was firmly in the tradition of bullies that went under the name of Indian aristocracy in the past. It would be better appreciated if the same treatment was meted out to the CEO's own sons, nephews, etc if and when they carried out similar antics, as well as to the goons themselves when they crossed "limits". That never, ever happens at the hands of such blessed vigilantes from such backgrounds - it is a one way street of justice from which the goon's own network is excluded.

It is good to read of the incident - for it confirms in my mind what eventually needs to be done to get rid of this problem. Thanks to shyamd for the post. I have seen first hand many such attitudes and could only take counter-measures because of my own social background. It was such incidents by "elite" networks of bullies that brought me first into politics to counter their real power base, and also to realize the only successful method to deal with them - for these very same goons being appreciated for their supposed vigilante role are the most abject slimy cowards when isolated from political protection and when they realize that their time is up - I never saw them "brave" enough. Strip the political connection or eliminate the political core - and that CEO will be begging and crying if not taking the first flight out of the country. People who overreact in such off-the-top way are also slimeballs themselves - who wiggle and wriggle when faced with the prospect of facing their own music - no exception.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 24 Sep 2010 17:30

Brihaspati - blocking off a public road is a very provocative act and refusal to remove it is even more provocative, if it was not the Ceo and a common car guy like us, these kids would have probably smashed thier car and misbehaved with women.

Thier bad luck, they got caught by someone more powerful than them. I have seen such brash guys in Chennai like those kids who think they pick fights since they are so powerful. Personally, I think they are a real menace to society and society in general would be a lot happier without them. In this case, I think the Tamil saying you need a thorn to remove a thorn applies.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 24 Sep 2010 17:34

Analysis of a riot:
Why Ratlam was in Indian Mujahideen mail
http://news.rediff.com/slide-show/2010/ ... m-mail.htm

It looks like this is the sequence of events:

- Hindus living near a mosque complain about noise
- After a few days cowdung is allegedly found smeared on the external walls of the mosque
- A huge crowd of thousands of Muslims gathers, including some armed with guns and swords. Hindu shops are burnt, property is destroyed. Guns are fired. Many of the ringleaders are well-off, radicalized Muslim youth with Gulf jobs.
- A Hindu crowd also gathers in reaction, but on a much smaller scale.
- Police swing into action, arrest some two hundred Muslims. Apparently 88 are still in custody. (fortunately for the Hindus, MP is not ruled by Congress or Mamta Bannerjee). Police are also on lookout for a few Hindus who are absconding.
- "Indian Mujahideen" cites the incident (including names of police officers involved) as a justification for its assault on Taiwanese in Delhi.

So what are the lessons to be learnt in this chain of events?

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 24 Sep 2010 19:56

Brihaspati, Aditya_V.
My feelings on the incident:

Firstly, the kids deserve an arse kicking for blocking the road. Attitudes of the rich and elite kids these days are that they can start fights because they have xyz's son backing them. I know personally some of these kids, they act powerful, they bring that attitude when they come to the UK/overseas for education, however they realise later that they are just a common person. They fall to earth after one year, or when they act tough over here and get their arses wooped. The ones that educate themselves in India grow up after they finish college/uni. I actually know one person who prides himself that when he goes to a restaurant, if there are no seats available, the owners throw out customers on purpose, just to make space for him.

I think we would all use influence if we ever needed to, or got into trouble for one thing or another. But these kids don't have the right to flaunt it and start trouble just because they have the power.

Back to the incident, the question arises whether state machinery should have been used to bring the boy out of the house, also why no FIR could be filed by the affected people due to political pressure. Where is democracy for the common man?

Do they have a right to take the law into their hands and smash a few cars and the hotel up?

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 24 Sep 2010 20:00

shyamd wrote:Just narrating a few security incidents that I saw on my visit to India:

I did read the three incidents mentioned

. Honestly, the second and third one cannot be considered as a "security threat" at least when it is compared to the other incidents noted in this thread. Security violations in an air port and possible smuggling avenues could pose a major security problem.

Bribery, even though is a social evil is quite prevalent all across India, if we start noting them down in this thread, it would soon cross over the 72 page limit

. Police corruption is there, just like we have corruption in government hospitals, government offices etc.

If you ask me the last incident you mentioned is not a "security threat" at all. It is nothing but an ego clash between one gang of spoilt rich brats with another. "Aam Aadmi" would be least bit bothered about such an issue. In this round the Sun TV CEO has won hands down. If Sun TV or Jaya TV had shown the goonda action, and also the subsequent action that would have made one good episode of a 'reality show'

. My sentiments would be totally different if these kids owning mercedez had threatened common people (maruthi 800 crowd) or tried to openly stop a police officer from doing his duty.

edited to add...

Back to the incident, the question arises whether state machinery should have been used to bring the boy out of the house, also why no FIR could be filed by the affected people due to political pressure.

Theoretically what you are saying is correct

. But theory is totally different from practicals. These spoilt brats parked their cars in a way to obstruct traffic (which itself is an offence). Unfortunately they blocked the wrong chap. And once these spoilt brats knew their goose was cooked they want the police to behave as true gentlemen. FIRs should be lodged, the Inspector and party should provide them protection. I am surprised that a few solid beating, threats etc. makes these rich people think about FIRs etc

.

Do they have a right to take the law into their hands and smash a few cars and the hotel up?

It was not the police who went and rioted inside the hotel. It was another set of goons. Well it was a case of one set of goons targetting another set of goons. The hotel may be a wrong choice of place (because of innocent victims), but when have goons chosen targets based on all these courtesies?

Where is democracy for the common man?

I am surprised to see that spoilt rich brats, who violated lots of traffic rules and also tried to bully another person becomes a "common man" as soon as they receive threats and got a few solid beatings. Sir, if it was not the Sun TV CEO who was in the car and if it was an actual common man from Chennai, today it would be HE who would be facing problems in filing an FIR at a PS. The goondas of these Mercedes drivers would be the ones who would be pouncing the actual 'common man'.

sum · Post by **sum** » 24 Sep 2010 21:24

^^^ From the ratlam riots link:

As extra forces arrived, they first cordoned off the area. This took some time, and around 2 am, September 4, when the forces began a search operation in the neighbourhood to apprehend the miscreants, they entered a mosque in Sheranipura, one of the bigger mosques in the locality.

Following this, there was an announcement from the mosque: 'Muslims, come out, with scarves tied around your head. Islam is in danger.'

Where have we heard this before?

And then the IMs wonder why the security forces and aam janta are biased against them when they give calls of "Islam khatre mein hai" when cops come near a mosque to arrest some culprits instead of helping law enforcement?

Amazing "non-secular" reporting by rediff this time with no waffling and "one community started it and another responded" BS

sum · Post by **sum** » 24 Sep 2010 21:45

Big news:
20 key ULFA leaders surrender

At least 20 key members of the proscribed United Liberation Front of Assam (ULFA), along with their family members, have surrendered, giving a massive boost to the ongoing negotiations with the militant outfit.

Confirming the development, the outfit's self-styled commander-in-chief Paresh Barua in an e-mail, said some of his close aides, including 'captains' Bhaiti Barua, Biju Deka, Pradyut Gohain and central publicity cell member Anu Buragohain had surrendered before Indian security forces.

Barua termed it "very unfortunate development" for the 'revolution' of the outfit that is fighting for "freedom" of Assam.

Barua said, "The latest surrender by ULFA leaders is part of the 'drama of peace talks 'that was being enacted by "colonial Indian government' along with the jailed ULFA chairman Arabinda Rajkhowa and other senior leaders of the outfit."

Congrats to all the agencies involved...

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 24 Sep 2010 22:30

RamaY wrote:
I visited Hyderabad last month and this was very visible.

All over the country saar, all over the country.

It is not a coincidence.

The repair shops can easily handle second hand/ stolen mal and re write new IMEI nos.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 25 Sep 2010 04:27

Sachin wrote: I did read the three incidents mentioned . Honestly, the second and third one cannot be considered as a "security threat" at least when it is compared to the other incidents noted in this thread. Security violations in an air port and possible smuggling avenues could pose a major security problem.

Sachinji, these incidents were just observations. Not really security threats apart from the first one.

Theoretically what you are saying is correct . But theory is totally different from practicals. These spoilt brats parked their cars in a way to obstruct traffic (which itself is an offence). Unfortunately they blocked the wrong chap. And once these spoilt brats knew their goose was cooked they want the police to behave as true gentlemen. FIRs should be lodged, the Inspector and party should provide them protection. I am surprised that a few solid beating, threats etc. makes these rich people think about FIRs etc .

Of course the kids deserve to get beaten up or threatened etc. But its not right to obstruct the law and order machinery in this way and misuse it. Thats all I am saying.

It was not the police who went and rioted inside the hotel. It was another set of goons. Well it was a case of one set of goons targetting another set of goons. The hotel may be a wrong choice of place (because of innocent victims), but when have goons chosen targets based on all these courtesies?

No no ji, what I am trying to say is that, they shouldnt target the kids father's business. And anyway even if it was targetted, why couldnt the person make a formal complaint to the police or file an FIR. Thats what I am trying to get at.

I am surprised to see that spoilt rich brats, who violated lots of traffic rules and also tried to bully another person becomes a "common man" as soon as they receive threats and got a few solid beatings. Sir, if it was not the Sun TV CEO who was in the car and if it was an actual common man from Chennai, today it would be HE who would be facing problems in filing an FIR at a PS. The goondas of these Mercedes drivers would be the ones who would be pouncing the actual 'common man'.

Yes they deserved it, but if they did pounce on the common man, why should they have the power to prevent him from using the law and order system?

All I am trying to say is that, there should be no misuse of the system and no one should really have the authority to prevent someone from filing an FIR. No matter who the person in question is.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 25 Sep 2010 07:43

from maoists media outlet-

the police on Friday recovered a huge cache of gelatine sticks, ammonium nitrate and several firearms after raiding different rebel hideouts. Two Maoist squad members were also arrested.
Raids were conducted in the Lalgarh, Jhargram and Nayagram areas, based on information gathered from two Maoists who were arrested in a murder case.

From telegraph Kolkatta-

The joint forces came across 803 gelatine sticks, 20kg of ammonium nitrate and 10 detonators at an abandoned camp in the Tapoban jungle in Nayagram early this morning.

This is for the first time we have found such a huge quantity of explosives from the Maoist belt in Bengal,” said Manoj Verma, the district superintendent of police.

The officer said it was being suspected that the gelatine sticks were part of those looted about a month ago while being transported in trucks from Chhattisgarh. “We are contacting our counterparts in Chhattisgarh,” Verma added.

small part of the loot got but still huge amounts missing. good work.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 25 Sep 2010 07:46

On Jama Masjid shooting

The shooting of Taiwanese tourists in Old Delhi on Sunday by gunmen had been ‘over-hyped’, Chidambaram said in the interview. “It was an opportunistic attack, and we think local gangs were responsible. We are not yet prepared to call it a terror attack at this stage.”

The e-mail that came a few hours after the firing has been traced to a server in a foreign country— Norway,”

looks like nothing has come out so far. hence downplaying it or is it due to fear of CWG security.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 26 Sep 2010 07:06

Assam govt still awaiting 19 Ulfa men from Bangla

The Assam government still has no information on the 19 United Liberation Front of Asom (Ulfa) leaders, who had fled their Bangladesh camp on Friday. Chief Minister Tarun Gogoi told a press conference on Saturday that he was aware of the escape, but the rebels had not yet been handed over to the state government.
"That's a good sign. They realise the futility of insurgency. That's why they left their camp. We will give them safe passage if they want," Gogoi said.

But the Ulfa military chief, Paresh Barua, who is opposed to any peace talks is still at large. He sent an email to media houses here on Saturday, claiming that the 19 rebels were in an "enemy camp".

On Friday, a senior official of an intelligence agency said the rebels and their families escaped on Friday and surrendered to the BSF somewhere in Meghalaya on the border.

Split in ULFA ranks as 19 commanders opt for peace

In another blow to the outlawed United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA), 19 top separatist commanders based in Bangladesh have given up arms and opted for peace with Indian authorities - a clear indication that the ULFA is split.

The rebel commanders, led by Anu Buragohain, Bhaiti Baruah, Biju Deka, and Pradyut Buragohain, apparently gave themselves up before Bangladeshi authorities Wednesday. They were arrested on technical grounds and then handed over to the Border Security Force somewhere along the border with Meghalaya Saturday.
The Assam government is maintaining a stoic silence on the development - examining legal provisions so that there are no technical problems in showing them as surrendered to avoid court proceedings.

According to Indian intelligence sources, the 19 ULFA leaders and nine of their family members were in touch with Indian authorities since the past fortnight and expressed their desire to surrender and join the peace process.
The matter was taken up with the Bangladesh government and arrangements were made to shift them to Assam. They were shown arrested in Bangladesh and later on handed over to India.

There is no question of the ULFA members being produced before the court as technically they were not arrested as they came on their own," the police official said.
The rebels are now in Assam police custody in Guwahati, although for technical reasons the government is not making it formal and hence is in some sort of a denial mode.

some confusion all over in the media with the above.
whatever as along as ulfa men are caught it is ok. If the men want peace and work towards to it -- good.

sum · Post by **sum** » 26 Sep 2010 21:04

A curious case here:

Man detained as his mobile contained images of Kasab, Dawood

A 27-year-old man whose mobile phone contained images of Pakistani terrorist Mohammed Kasab, underworld don Dawood Ibrahim and Taj Mahal Hotel in flames was detained on Sunday at the international airport here before he was to take a flight to Saudi Arabia, police said.

The man, a native of Bihar, had misplaced his mobile phone at the airport here on Sunday.

He was to board Air India flight to Jeddah in Saudi Arabia and was searching for his mobile but by that time, the Central Industrial Security Force (CISF) had found it, police added.

\"CISF found the objectionable photographs in the phone. As the man claimed that it was his mobile, the securitymen asked him why he was carrying these images in his mobile and where he clicked them,\" a senior police official said.

\"Subsequently, he was handed over to the city police. His phone was carrying photographs of terrorists Masood Azhar, Kasab, Dawood and the Taj Mahal Hotel in flames during Mumbai terror attacks and others,\" the official said.

The man, who is a driver by profession, was not much educated and he claimed that he had kept the images in his mobile phone just for curiosity, DCP Satyanarayan Choudhary said.

\"We have recorded his statement. But so far it appears that the man was not aware of the consequences of carrying such images in the mobile,\" said another official.

The man was one Saif Ahmed as per other reports. Must be a small fry in the D-ganag in Saudi?

Also interesting is that CISF actually checked his mobile pics meaning they had advance info on him since i don't recall mobile phone inbox, pics folders etc being checked by CISF usually....

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 26 Sep 2010 22:33

Centre moots mechanism to maintain public order http://www.zeenews.com/news657779.html

"The thinking has now shifted from law and order to 'public order' and the PMO has clearly denoted the Prime Minister's emphasis on putting in place use-of-force procedures for different situations," the sources said.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 27 Sep 2010 01:49

Maharashtra ATS and Crime Branch fight for power leaving Delhi Police clueless

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 27 Sep 2010 02:38

The man, a native of Bihar, had misplaced his mobile phone at the airport here on Sunday

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Sumji

The munna actually misplaced his phone, something which commonly happens during security check.

The CISF personnel must have been looking for Shakeela's pictures and ended up finding Bhai's and Kasab's pictures instead.

This Saifulla chap doesn't seem to be a big fish given his Paki suppandi act

Nihat · Post by **Nihat** » 27 Sep 2010 18:46

Why Indian security agencies are worried about Ilyas Kashmiri

Not sure where to post this

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Sep 2010 22:31

Nihat, Good move. Its relevant to this thread.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Sep 2010 22:36

vera_k wrote:Maharashtra ATS and Crime Branch fight for power leaving Delhi Police clueless

Its high time that GOI decides to let the NIA have jurisdiction on crimes crossing state boundaries. Yes I know law and order is a state problem but when the perpetrators are operating across state boundaries there is a need to call in the Central agencies. Otherwise this dumb charade of mis-investigations will continue.

In above case there are three police forces at their wits end.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 28 Sep 2010 00:26

ramana wrote:
vera_k wrote:Maharashtra ATS and Crime Branch fight for power leaving Delhi Police clueless

Its high time that GOI decides to let the NIA have jurisdiction on crimes crossing state boundaries. Yes I know law and order is a state problem but when the perpetrators are operating across state boundaries there is a need to call in the Central agencies. Otherwise this dumb charade of mis-investigations will continue.

In above case there are three police forces at their wits end.

Its the need of hour. But there are complex issues involved in this and a lot of discussion is going on in MHA Law ministry and Law Commission. Most of the crime related laws are made by Parl. and implemented by centre. IPC is so vast that crimes of all sorts get covered and it is under local police jurisdiction. Some times there are different clauses that are applied to same action. I think this would get implemented in five years time , if not more.