For Chinese I would like to call A-5 "The Lama".
Just for kicks

Tessy for Pakistan specific missiles would wreck havoc in Pindi.
Thanks Ramana. We should collect and archive the Chinese responses and information about their sources. This is important so as to know who on their side said what. For example, particular papers/websites are mouthpieces of particular components of their firmament - the PLA backed newspaper may sound a very different tone from the official Xinhua communique. It provides insights into their known internal fissures. We know Hu hasn't consolidated his hold on the CMC as well as past paramount leaders, and the PLA essentially runs an independent shop. The PRC thread might be a better place to do this in.ramana wrote:Suraj, Here is google link to all the ~ 1250 stories and counting about the A5 test and reactions!
Google News on A5 Test reactions
animation...Surya wrote:I am a bit confused
Some reports said this was canisterised - the pics don't show that
then I saw this
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/agni- ... red-199325
I am even taking a step further like a lego model. docking componets are dispatched ahead, and one of the dispatch carries "it".ravi_g wrote:Saik, outer space would be well covered with probes looking out, but even these probes will have difficulty if the its done of the far side of sun to make sure of plausible deniability.
If you listened carefully to Avinash Chander interview immediately following the test, he says all the next bells and whistles need to be tested and not designed. So everything most likely (99.99%) exists already but just need to be tested, but it does not mean it can be done tomorrow. Two years is a tight schedule, and later quotes from Saraswat posted here from another new article confirms they have a schedule in place. So it is a matter of testing at this point.kirang wrote:In a live interview on Headline today, a few moments back, Dr.Subramaniam said that MIRV technology did exist in A5 missile fired today but that was not tested, and that MIRV technology is proven...just saying!!
Reuters ReportNEW DELHI — India said Thursday that it had successfully launched a missile with nuclear capability and a range of 3,100 miles, giving it the ability to strike Beijing and Shanghai and heightening fears of an Asian arms race.
With the launching of the missile, called the Agni 5, India joins a small group of countries with long-range nuclear missile capability, including China, Britain, France, Russia, Israel and the United States. Agni is the Hindi word for fire.
The launching comes amid growing international apprehension about the militarization of Asia and a stepped-up strategic rivalry there between the United States and China. In March, Beijing announced a double-digit increase in military spending, and India recently became the world’s top arms buyer, displacing China, in part because China has increased it domestic production of weapons. And on Thursday, South Korea tested a missile capable of hitting anywhere in North Korea, less than a week after North Korea launched a rocket that failed minutes after takeoff.
The missile launching in India “increases the perception of an arms race, and the reality of an arms race, in East Asia, particularly between China and India,” said Graeme P. Herd, head of the international security program at the Geneva Center for Security Policy, which trains diplomats on peace and security issues.
The timing may be seen as particularly provocative, he said, coming as China’s government deals with a scandal involving one of its top officials and after the United States has stepped up its military presence in the Pacific. “All of this, from the Chinese perspective, looks like a movement from balancing China to containing China,” Mr. Herd said, and could inspire Beijing to strengthen its weapons stockpile and forge closer ties with Pakistan and the Central Asian countries.
The launching was largely celebrated in India, where Prime Minister Manmohan Singh called it “another milestone in our quest to add to the credibility of our security and preparedness and to continuously explore the frontiers of science.” The entire nation honors the scientists involved, he said, who have “done the country proud.”
The Indian defense minister, A. K. Antony, said India had “joined the elite club of nations” that possess long-range missiles.
The United States, which led the criticism of North Korea last Friday, appeared to warily endorse India’s missile launching. “We urge all nuclear-capable states to exercise restraint regarding nuclear capabilities,” said Mark C. Toner, a State Department spokesman. “That said, India has a solid nonproliferation record.” India has a “no-first-use” policy.
China’s immediate reaction was subdued. At a regularly scheduled news briefing, Liu Weimin, a Foreign Ministry spokesman, said that India and China were “not competitors, but partners,” according to news agencies. The two countries should “work hard to uphold friendly strategic cooperation” for peace and stability in the region, he said.
The missile “does not pose a threat in reality,” China’s state-run broadcaster CCTV said, according to The Associated Press. The news channel questioned the accuracy of the missile’s guidance systems and its 50-ton-plus weight, which the Chinese said would force it to be launched from a fixed location, making it an easy target. India said the missile can be launched from a mobile platform.
Officials in Pakistan, India’s nuclear-armed neighbor and historic rival, did not return calls for comment. The countries have recently increased trade ties, raising hopes that the longstanding tensions between the two may be ending.
The Indian missile’s range would include Tehran, parts of Eastern Europe and Manila. But the focus of the test appeared to be China, analysts said.
“Agni 5 will give India complete coverage of targets in China,” Poornima Subramaniam, an Asia-Pacific armed forces analyst at IHS Jane’s Defense, said in an e-mail. “Agni 5 technologically narrows the missile gap between India and China, while the strategic balance between the two rivals is still tipped in China’s favor.”
The launching of the Agni 5, from an island off India’s east coast, is part of a missile program that began decades ago.
India started its missile development program in 1983. It has suffered occasional setbacks, but last November, it tested the Agni 4, which can hit targets up to 2,200 miles away. It will soon be given to the army for operational use; the Agni 1, Agni 2 and Agni 3 were also given to the army.
The Agni 5 weighs about 50 tons and is 51 feet long. It reached an altitude of about 430 miles in this test, the Indian government said. The Agni 5 will be ready for operational use by 2014.
“We have achieved exactly what we wanted to achieve in this mission,” Avinash Chandra, mission director for the test, told the Times Now news channel on Thursday.
China has a missile that can hit targets at least 6,200 miles away, and Pakistan’s missile range is at least 744 miles. “India has two nuclear-armed adversaries and needs to create minimal deterrence,” said Wing Cmdr. Ajey Lele, a specialist in strategic technologies at the government-financed Institute of Defense Studies and Analysis in New Delhi.
Some in India questioned spending so much on a sophisticated missile program as hundreds of millions of the country’s citizens continue to live in extreme poverty.
“It is ridiculous,” said Praful Bidwai, a researcher and columnist associated with the Coalition of Nuclear Disarmament and Peace. “We are getting into a useless arms race at the expense of fulfilling the need of poor people.”
The Chinese missile program is not directed at India, and the Chinese have assured India of that, he said, adding, “Now, the India missile program is clearly directed to China.”
Sruthi Gottipati and Nikhila Gill contributed reporting from New Delhi, and Kevin Drew from Hong Kong.
Thursday's launch may prompt a renewed push from within India's defense establishment for a fully fledged intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) program, with weapons capable of reaching the Americas, though some of India's allies may bridle at such an ambition.
"Policy-wise it becomes more complicated from now on, until Agni-V, India really has been able to make a case about its strategic objectives, but as it moves into the ICBM frontier there'll be more questions asked," said Pant.
What are these electronics ?Dr Saraswat said that barring some electronic components, the Agni-V was a completely indigenous product.
“More than 80 per cent of the missile is indigenous, except for the electronic components which we import...Everything has been designed, developed and produced in our industry and our laboratory,” he said
Moon ba baa too near, may already be bugged. One can never be sure.SaiK wrote: I am even taking a step further like a lego model. docking componets are dispatched ahead, and one of the dispatch carries "it".
Now, another way to look at the probe would be the lego-ed module, doing a moon mission.. and all happens on the other side of the mid-night! under shadow. no hubbling or other bubbling looks at the event.. plus moon could block some of the infra/radiations.
You need Silicon foundry for these components to be manufactured in India. Last time heard SCL had one with outdated technology and that to caught fire in late 90s. Intel had planned $ 2B one in India but at the last moment decided to build it in China.Lilo wrote:What are these electronics ?Dr Saraswat said that barring some electronic components, the Agni-V was a completely indigenous product.
“More than 80 per cent of the missile is indigenous, except for the electronic components which we import...Everything has been designed, developed and produced in our industry and our laboratory,” he said
Is it difficult to produce them inhouse?
restraint on use - yes.. that is already built into our doctrine.abhishek_sharma wrote:Agni-V: U.S. says “exercise restraint”
Ridiculous only to Prafool and his friends“It is ridiculous,” said Praful Bidwai, a researcher and columnist associated with the Coalition of Nuclear Disarmament and Peace... "The Chinese missile program is not directed at India, and the Chinese have assured India of that"
China has deployed more advanced and survivable solid-fuel nuclear capable CSS-5 MRBM missiles against India as a 'deterrent posture', Pentagon has said warning that a high degree of mistrust continues to strain their bilateral ties.
The PLA has replaced liquid-fuelled, nuclear-capable CSS-2 IRBMs with more advanced and survivable solid-fuelled CSS-5 MRBM systems to strengthen its deterrent posture relative to India, the Pentagon has said in its annual report on Chinese military build up to the Congress.
The report also says that Beijing is pumping in huge investments on border infrastructure developments laying more roads and rail network along the Sino-Indian border.
. CL-20 propellant compliant with Congress' 2004 insensitive munitions (IM) law has been demonstrated and may, as its cost comes down, be suitable for use in commercial launch vehicles, with a very significant increase in performance compared with the currently favored APCP solid propellants.
An attractive attribute for military use is the ability for solid rocket propellant to remain loaded in the rocket for long durations and then be reliably launched at a moment's notice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-fuel_rocket
The title of the article is not appropriate; the US response within the article is actually positive, with a ho hum, lets all be a little restrained here tone that seems more directed at PRC than us.abhishek_sharma wrote:Agni-V: U.S. says “exercise restraint”
(lesson=Wise guy eat Crow)On Thursday, India tested a long-range, nuclear-capable missile with the ability to hit major Chinese cities such as Beijing and Shanghai. According to AJC the test was a success, and New Delhi is now planning to add more of these missiles to its regular arsenal over the next three years.This is a big step for India, and an even bigger step in the development of the Great Game in Asia. While India has always been one of the region’s strongest military powers, it has lagged far behind China, as its military outlook has been focused instead on dealing with a much weaker Pakistan. Pakistan’s continuing decline has changed that calculation; Pakistan is a great power in the realm of terror, but its conventional forces are not an offensive threat to India and strategically speaking, the greatest danger Pakistan poses to its neighbor is that its continuing disintegration will unleash forces of chaos and destruction.Meanwhile in Beijing, India’s missile test is just the latest in a long string of bad news. This is a grim spring for Beijing, even if most western commentary has been unable so far to connect the dots. Nothing is going China’s way. Domestically, life stinks. The economy is still showing signs of strain, sporadic rioting continues, and the Bo Xilai drama, which daily brings new and damaging revelations about the way China works is doing nothing to stabilize the country during a time of political transition.
And that’s just at home. Abroad, the consequences of the US repositioning continue to reverberate across the region. Small powers like the Philippines, reassured about American support, are challenging Chinese claims in the South China Sea. Japan is taking a more stridently anti-Chinese line. The defection of Burma from its Chinese connection gains momentum every day as Japan, India, Australia and the EU all join the US in welcoming the junta into the global economy. China’s one remaining ally, North Korea, remains a serious liability as its provocations and threats drive countries like South Korea and Japan closer to Washington.
The combination of internal and external pressure is severe and has the government in Beijing under more pressure than many observers grasp. Abandoning the policy of “peaceful rise” is looking more and more like a grave strategic error; much now depends on what lessons Beijing draws from a humiliating succession of high profile setbacks in Asia.
NEW DELHI (AP) — India's successful test of a powerful new missile that can carry nuclear weapons to Beijing caused barely a ripple — even in China — just days after North Korea was globally vilified for a failed rocket launch.The vastly different responses show the world has grown to accept India as a responsible and stable nuclear power, while shunning North Korea as a pariah."It's not the spear, but who holds the spear that matters," said Rahul Bedi, a defense analyst in India. North Korea is a condemned nation. It's a pariah country. Its record of breaking nuclear agreements is well known. India has emerged in that sense as a fairly responsible country."The muted response to Thursday morning's test underscores how far India has come in gaining acceptance for its nuclear program. After India tested its first nuclear bomb in 1974, the U.S. put it under sanctions for a quarter century.But last decade, the U.S. removed the sanctions and eventually ratified in 2008 a landmark deal to allow civilian nuclear trade that effectively accepted India as a nuclear nation.
Sushuptiji,Sushupti wrote:You need Silicon foundry for these components to be manufactured in India. Last time heard SCL had one with outdated technology and that to caught fire in late 90s. Intel had planned $ 2B one in India but at the last moment decided to build it in China.
I just saw the program live on CNN, will post the link if I find it..Acharya wrote:Can you post the clip
Ramana sir, pardon my ignorance but who does "Tessy" refer to ?ramana wrote:abhijitm, A star is born and we need to recongize that. On BRF, MKI is called Rambha and Raffy is called Katrina.
Lets name A5 the Tessy.
Suraj, Here is google link to all the ~ 1250 stories and counting about the A5 test and reactions!
Google News on A5 Test reactions