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RamaY wrote:Sorry SouthTN vadis...

Allahabad is the 5th largest city by population pushing chennai into 6th place...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mo ... s_in_India
I guess you meant Ahmedabad :!: thought might be OT for this thread- look at the %age increase for Ahmedabad , Surat, (Badodara- could not locate int eh article), Kolkata - only major city to have lost few of it's residents ..
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^^^
It is not Allahabad sir. It is Ahmedabad. By the way think about the Ahmedabad district after this

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My bad, it was Ahmedabad..

When is NM renaming it?
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anmol wrote:
Suraj wrote:Thanks anmol! Please do so and link the URL so others can post it around.
Modi's Speech with English Subtitle.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-FVWk_S2Zk
Subtitle: http://www.mediafire.com/?8x2xp37eh7m431j
Good effort. There are semantic bugs that (e.g., it is Su-raj that he is referring to later, not Swa-raj; there was no explicit mention of Bose) and also the very first sentence (it should be Ajay Jain not Salman Jain). Haven't seen beyond that.
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Let truth be known about Modi - Ram Jethmalini

The UPA government, on coming to power in 2004, put in place its most accomplished experts to meticulously draw up its corruption road map, which it succeeded in implementing with precision until the scams exploded in public space. Post-mortem reports of the 2G scam, the ISRO Devas deal, the Commonwealth Games fraud, to name a few, clearly establish this. I have no doubt that future historians will place the UPA in the same league as other plunderers of India, like Ghazni and the Pindaris.

Another road map uppermost in the Congress agenda was towards the political assassination of Narendra Modi, and banishing him from India's political firmament forever, using the unfortunate post Godhra riots as a handle. Congress think tanks worked overtime to draw up a comprehensive, multifaceted strategy of slander, false accusation, governmental and non-governmental disinformation, Goebellesian lies, aimed at converting falsehood into belief among the general population, opinion leaders and influential intellectuals. The lies were to be simple and crisp; they were to be repeated ad nauseam to embed them firmly as truth in the public mind, the media and internationally. Puppets were to be created and nurtured to keep the fiction of Modi's involvement in the Godhra riots alive in the courts, in the media and in the minds of the people, through any lie or deception. Now that the SIT has completed its investigation, and submitted its report to the Supreme Court, it is time the nation and the world knew about the travesty of slander and lies that has been disseminated against Modi by the Congress through hired and unethical civil society organisations, such as Citizens for Justice and Peace headed by Teesta Setalvad, disgruntled officers like Sanjiv Bhatt, who made futile attempts to start an aggressive campaign against Modi 10 long years after the riots, and certain sections of the media. Today, the lid over the entire political conspiracy has blown, and the false testimony and machinations of Teesta Setalvad and Sanjiv Bhatt have been exposed.

Let me inform the people of a few instances of deliberate disinformation against Modi, which gained huge currency during the last 10 years, backed by the malicious hate campaign, which the SIT investigation has proved to be completely false.

1. The country was made to believe that Modi sat complacent and inert while the riots were searing Gujarat. The evidence indicates otherwise. Immediately after the Godhra train burning, on the evening of 27 February 2002, the Gujarat Chief Minister summoned an emergency meeting of top ranking officials of the government, took steps to deploy the Rapid Action Force (RAF), State Reserve Police, local police at sensitive points. Since the army at Ahmedabad Cantonment had been called at the border in view of the attack on Parliament earlier, the Chief Minister requested the then Defence Minister telephonically on 28 February 2002 to immediately deploy army battalions to tackle the situation, which were deployed immediately.

2. The Congress, through its mouthpieces Teesta Setalvad and Sanjiv Bhatt maliciously fabricated a story, vigorously picked up by certain so called intellectuals and of course the anti national elements of our society, that Narendra Modi and the police administration conspired to carry out a pogrom by Hindus against Muslims and that the Gujarat riots were state sponsored. Undisputed statistics presented to the SIT show that in the first six days of the riots, 61 Hindus and 40 Muslims were killed in police firing. The death of any person in police firing is tragic. But does a police firing death toll with 60% casualties being Hindu indicate a pogrom by the state government against Muslims? The complaint of Zakia Jafri (filed at the behest of Teesta Setalvad) alleges that the riots that followed the Godhra train carnage were a conspiracy and a pogrom by the ruling party in Gujarat and its Chief Minister in which almost the entire administration was a co-conspirator. More particularly, they perpetrated a smear campaign that the Chief Minister had instructed the police officials not to interfere with or use force against the Hindus taking revenge against the Muslims. This allegation has not been supported by any evidence, except for the false testimony of Sanjiv Bhatt, which not only appeared suddenly after 10 years, but has also been demolished by positive evidence that he is lying.

3. Another canard led by Teesta Setalvad and other vested interest groups globally was that the Gujarat government and its police did not investigate rape cases. Evidence before the SIT establishes that this was pure fiction, that all rape complaints were being investigated and some convictions had already taken place. It also proved that Setalvad fabricated a false rape case in Naroda, which she alleged was not investigated, with the alleged victim herself denying it and also the eyewitness. Another gruesome fabrication spread by Setalvad about the tearing of a pregnant woman's stomach and lifting the foetus on the tip of the sword has been disproved by the SIT as false. On post mortem the foetus was found intact within the unfortunate dead lady who succumbed to burns during the riots, and was identified by her relatives. This is corroborated by the statement of the doctor who performed the post mortem.

4. While investigating the Gulbarg case, the SIT came across nearly 20 witnesses who came with their readymade typed statements and refused to videotape their statements, to which the SIT objected. When they did give their statements, they did not match the readymade statements, and also admitted to the SIT that the typed statements were given to them by Teesta Setalvad.

5. The Gujarat police had found on investigation that the Godhra train carnage was a conspiracy and what followed was a violent reaction to it. Teesta Setalvad, under tutelage of the Congress government, propagated to the world at large that the Godhra train carnage was accidental and the riots were a conspiracy supported by the Gujarat government. The Justice Banerjee Committee report claiming the Godhra train burning to be an accident was held illegal by the High Court of Gujarat. The SIT also rejected the accident theory, and found on reinvestigation that the Godhra carnage was indeed a conspiracy to burn and bake the unwary passengers and the riots were a reaction. This fact is now judicially established in the trial of Godhra incident by the sessions judge appointed by the then Chief Justice of Gujarat High Court as directed by the Supreme Court. The very fact that one of the principal accused in the Godhra carnage is now a fugitive in Pakistan, with an Interpol Red Corner Notice, clearly reveals how the conspiracy originated. So, another evil myth to poison the minds of the people of our country against Modi has been disproved by a series of judicial findings.

6. It is now widely known that the entire anthology of false and gruesome stories brought to the notice of the Supreme Court by mainly Citizens of Justice and Peace, the NGO headed by Teesta Setalvad, on the basis of which the Supreme Court appointed the SIT itself, were found by the SIT to be false. Modi bashing, Modi defamation became a lucrative industry and a blood sport during the last 10 years. Appropriate recruitments were done, the Goebbelsian strategy that if you repeat a lie a thousand times it will become a truth was used to the hilt. The Congress and Teesta Setalvad must have basked in their success until the SIT findings revealed not only the real truth to the world, but also exposed the lies of Setalvad and Sanjiv Bhatt, in tutoring witnesses, pressurizing them to give false affidavits, and providing false information to the SIT and the Supreme Court. Though still trying their best to attack the SIT, there is little they can do, as all statements of all witnesses are recorded under videography.

7. The enemies of India desperately tried to turn the unfortunate Gujarat riots into a global issue and grievously tarnish Gujarat and Modi through their strategy of repeating lies. But the same Europeans who had succumbed to Teesta Setalvad's pogrom and state sponsored riot theory in 2002, appear to have realised their mistake, and are now graciously making amends, not to mention the overtures made to Modi by the UK and the US.

Well, the lengthy SIT process that involved thousands of witnesses and reams of evidence is over, and Modi has emerged unscathed. It is now time that the conspiracy against Modi and Gujarat should forcefully be informed to the general public, the "secular" intellectuals, the opinion makers and the media.
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The roots of saffron terror canard are in the INC post Godhra strategy.
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RamaY wrote:Sorry SouthTN vadis...

Ahmedabad (when is NM renaming it to some Indic name :(( )is the 5th largest city by population pushing chennai into 6th place...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mo ... s_in_India
I am sure people in chennai will happy abt it, nothing to feel sorry abt it. Who wants crowded and growing cities. Chennai is large enough. TN has a reasonable urban-rural population distribution, where one does not have to come to chennai for everything.
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^ you didnt get my sarcasm... Jaanedo Yaar.... Sour grapes :P
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ramana wrote:The roots of saffron terror canard are in the INC post Godhra strategy.

Undie TV had an hour on Saffron Terror. Usual stuff. Chandan Mitra handled it well. Almost everybody else was fidgeting, closed, dumbstruck.

Some Police Veteran mentioned 'retaliation'. Everybody tried to corner Chandan Mitra and the Abhinav Bharat representative on this. Chandan being the smart guy pointed out it was the Police guy who mentioned it.

NM has gotten the keeda inside every boodhijeevi wriggling. I love NM for cornering these Samaj ke Thekedaars. The truely great thing about NM is his ability to speak in exactly the language that these people thought they had a patent on and all without even using English. There is not one man in Sangh who can do that. NM denies this assortment of imbeciles, their agenda effectively and is now denying them their language too. And these people do admit it. Language, everybody agreed was very important. “Language is the first casualty of Retaliation” and NM is guilty of that. All else must be Paak-Saaf. Hein ji.

Secularism is something these people love to flaunt. At least so long as it is done under the soiled sheets of Constitution. What they will never admit is that Secularism is an opportunistic infection inflicted on the lay Indian when he was the poorest, most abject, in his civilizational history.

A student (muslim) who got picked up for some blast and eventually released by the Court was also there. Strangely enough, he said the system is biased and immediately the Abhinav Bharat rep. agreed. The policeman mumbled something like, at times releases do happen in good arrests too. Man our police guys are incapable of tying up their ideas in a coherent fashion, eventually end up making a fool of themselves.

The VC of Jamia Millia Islamia sat for a good part of it all with a beatific smile. Whatever he said I missed. Others who did say something, I did not really know them. Except 'The social scientist', Shiv Visvanathan, the angry old man. How does he manage to bear more anger then even a Kongi or a Muslim. He must be really really concerned about the safety of Muslims.

And the host was our favourite Womaniya, Burkha Dutt.
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On another channel Judge dredd was fidgeting at being called out. Arun Jaitely diagnosis had hit home.

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On still another channel the whole of Muslim leadership was up in arms against one guy some Madani uncle, who had praised (only conservatively only) the one who must not be mentioned by any Muslim.
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^ Ravi_G garu

I hope the nationalistic group comes with a more focused approach to answering the media nonsense.

For example when Burkha says, "I need to talk about the elephant in the room - indicating the bias in police force" I wish the answer is "Burkha, the elephant in the room is YOU. The media which is not objective in its reporting and is twisting the details to project the secular fundamentalism".

Similarly I wish people present more details on the states and regions with in india where Muslims are in majority, and how organized jihadi mindset is growing there giving examples of "Kashmir, Kerala, Mumbai, Azamgadh etc" and take the bull by the horn.

I guess they wouldn't be invited in to other debates anymore... But if the nationalist perspective sticks to this position, the media will be forced to accommodate them.
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RamaY wrote:Sorry SouthTN vadis...

Allahabad is the 5th largest city by population pushing chennai into 6th place...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mo ... s_in_India
Chennai is in N. TN onlee...

It is much better to thump and then humpthe book. All bliss onlee...

Added later: Apologies for the above (and now stiked out) innenduo leading to disrespect.
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RamaY wrote:When is NM renaming it?
Any renaming will be saffron terror onlee... In S. TN it is better to rename "Ramar Sethu" as adam's bridge - right? All Sickular onlee.
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RamaY wrote: ...
For example when Burkha says, "I need to talk about the elephant in the room - indicating the bias in police force" I wish the answer is "Burkha, the elephant in the room is YOU. The media which is not objective in its reporting and is twisting the details to project the secular fundamentalism".
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Murkha Butt's shows are "reality shows" where everything is pre-scripted to a certain degree. Seriously, lot of participants are paid to come to this shows and they are afraid that if they something out of expected lines they will be missing out of gravy train., so it is not just invitation on national telly and 15 mins. of fame. Further they are intellectually colonized by the likes of murkha butts and saggy babies.

To counter that, each BJP cell at the local level should have talking points and out reach programs and cultivate opinions by networking. The BJP national media cell is doing that at a certain level, but it should go down. In the meantime, more of the grassroots blogging and reporting should occur after the shows criticizing the very show objectively (like you have done).

Also desis have too much of not my problem, it is somebody's else problem and somebody else will clean up or pay the price. That is because we have been thought of no pride in our own culture - again an outcome of intellecutal colonization. This needs to be addressed by talking points objectively with ample proof.
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ravi_g wrote:On still another channel the whole of Muslim leadership was up in arms against one guy some Madani uncle, who had praised (only conservatively only) the one who must not be mentioned by any Muslim.
:rotfl:

Now only if this gets popular in social media and say after a few months it can appear in online media and then after a few months it may turn up in print media. Then these PSecs will be literally squirming whenever this comes up.

I remember the word P-Sec too took a similar path to get into mainstream though its still getting there.
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Hari Seldon wrote:Times are changing, Muslim hostility to Modi softening: Jamiat leader Maulana Madani
In an exclusive interview to Rahul Kanwal on Aaj Tak's Seedhi Baat programme, Jamiat Ulema-e-Hind leader Maulana Mehmood Madani admitted there's a change in the Muslim psyche towards Modi.
In Gujarat, Jamiat workers on the ground have told me that in several Assembly segments, Muslims voted for Modi. There is a perceptible change of heart and circumstances are different now. I agree the times are changing. Muslims in Gujarat are economically better off than in several states which have so-called secular governments in power," he told Rahul Kanwal in an exclusive interview on Seedhi Baat.

This statement from the Jamiat - the political offshoot of Darul Uloom, Deoband, that holds the pulse of millions of Muslims and is the final word in Islamic jurisprudence - is a covert endorsement for Modi in the run-up to his Delhi crowning. Modi may no longer be an untouchable for a community which accused him of masterminding one of the biggest anti-Muslim pogroms." More innocent Muslims are wallowing in prisons of Maharashtra than in Gujarat. The human rights record of several states with secular governments in power is deplorable and the economic situation of Muslims in West Bengal is shocking. These states don't have a Modi at the helm. This is a ground reality we can't ignore," said Madani.

The Madani family which controls Deoband and played a critical role in the dramatic coup to oust the seminary's rector Maulana Vastanvi for his pro-Modi remark, may be actually softening their hawkish stand. To a query on whether Muslims will accept Modi as Prime Minister, Madani did not vent his spleen as Deobandi hawks are wont to do. "It's too early to comment. Even the BJP has not decided on its PM's face. Let the time come, we will react."

But the BJP may not longer be a pariah for Muslims in the run-up to the 2014 elections. Madani said, "Just not in Gujarat, even in Bihar, Muslims have voted for BJP, which is in alliance with a secular party, the JD(U). There's a thaw in hostility towards BJP. There's a change of heart in Gujarat. But I am not sure if the Bihar-Gujarat experience will set the trend and become a pan-India phenomenon for the BJP," he said.

But while Madani was cautious about not toeing Vastanvi's line on Modi, he did not mince words to condemn the execution of Parliament attack mastermind Afzal Guru. "It was hasty and surreptitious move. Afzal Guru's hanging smacked of Maoist justice delivered in kangaroo courts. The denial of his last wish to meet his family is a blatant human rights violation. It was a political execution, a knee-jerk reaction from a government which was trying to prove that it's not soft on terror to cut the rising tide of Modi and his imminent march to Delhi.

Madani also said Guru's hanging has dealt a big blow to those fighting for human rights and campaigning against terrorism. "We in the Jamiat will suffer. We had moved a resolution in Deoband on Kashmir and rallied support for the government at the Ramilila Ground in Delhi. Now this clandestine execution will hurt our efforts and boomerang on the government. How will we face our community now," asked Madani.
You have to be careful here. This guy is trying to scare the CON MAFIA to be more appeasing by showing Modi. He is true about Muslims in Gujarat going Modi's way at least 20-25%. But his point is "Appease us more"
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In the burkha dutt's right-wing terrorism debate, at the end people are got orgasmic to call Indian identity as "fraternity".
fra·ter·ni·ty  (fr-tûrn-t)
n. pl. fra·ter·ni·ties
1. A body of people associated for a common purpose or interest, such as a guild.
2. A group of people joined by similar backgrounds, occupations, interests, or tastes: the fraternity of bird watchers.
3. A chiefly social organization of men students at a college or university, usually designated by Greek letters.
4. Roman Catholic Church A sodality.
5. The quality or condition of being brothers; brotherliness.
[Middle English fraternite, from Old French, from Latin frternits, from frternus, fraternal; see fraternal.]
And the secular idiots have problem with Hindu Rashtra :rotfl:
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The partisan indiscretions of ‘motormouth’ Katju - Venky Vembu on Firstpost

One of the comment.
Arun Jaitley is one of the most articulate voices of the BJP. He is forceful in his views, yes, but he is also always affable and relaxed, and not really given to using strong language against anybody, whatever be the issue or provocation. However, this time, Jaitley has really taken Markandey Katju to the cleaners, given him a sound and comprehensive thrashing, and essentially wiped the floor with Katju's face. And am I glad that someone finally put this pompous ass Katju in his place and taught him a lesson he is not likely to forget in a hurry!

First, some family background about Markandey Katju. The Katjus are a famous Allahabad-based Kashmiri Pandit family with close ties (through marriages and clan relationships) with the other, more famous, Kashmiri Pandit family from Allahabad -- the Nehrus. When the latter family, led by Jawaharlal Nehru, usurped political power in post-independence India, through their absolute control over the Congress party, close associate Kailashnath Katju (Markandey Katju's grandfather) also became a Congress politician and Nehru loyalist-cum-crony. He was first made a minister in Nehru's cabinet and subsequently (twice) made CM of Madhya Pradesh. The patronage offered to the Katju family from the Nehru dynasty continued under Indira Gandhi, when Kailashnath Katju was appointed Governor of West Bengal and Orissa. Meanwhile, as the Nehru dynasty (and now the Nehru-Maino dynasty) continued to remain India's political masters, the sons, nephews, grandsons and grandnephews of the loyal Katju family continued to receive patronage from the Durbar Establishment, and were serially rewarded with bureaucratic and civil service positions. Kailashnath Katju's son (Markandey Katju's father) Shivnath Katju was also appointed judge to the SC, as was later Markandey Katju himself. Cousin Vivek Katju rose through the ranks of the IFS, was appointed ambassador to various countries like Burma, Afghanistan and Thailand, and retired as Secretary, Ministry of External Affairs. Such cases only go on to demonstrate the depth to which the tentacles of the Congress party and Nehru dynasty have entrenched themselves in all aspects of Indian society -- from politicians to civil servants and bureaucracy, from armed forces to intellectuals and intelligentsia, and from historians to journalists and mainstream media.

Anyway, the addiction of possessing a bungalow in New Delhi's famed and posh LBZ (Lutyens' Bungalow Zone, the holiest of holy postal address in Indian politics) has been known to be the moral downfall of a great many people, and so seems to be the case with the Katju family (who were co-opted as the loyal bureaucrat-cum-courtiers of the Nehru dynasty Durbar). Immediately after retirement (no doubt aided by a track record of pro-Congress judgments), Markandey Katju was awarded with a sine cure quasi-judicial position (that lets him retain all official privileges, bungalows, cars and remuneration, etc) as the Chairman of the Press Council of India. Sadly, Katju has been anything but a good or successful leader of the PCI, and on his watch, the Indian print media has hit all-time lows on all fronts such as paid news, bias and prejudice, unethical journalism, and subservience to the govt. Katju, meanwhile, has been more of a pseudo-journalist and political commentator himself, instead of a watchdog over the media or the I&B ministry, as the PCI should ideally be. Like a modern day Pharaoh (or, like I said, a "one man Khap panchayat"), he has been airing his opinions and pronouncing judgments on pretty much anything and everything under the sun, from national policies to economics, from astronomy to Kashmir, from linguistics to religious philosophy, from Kate Middleton to NASA, from current affairs issues to breast enhancement surgeries. Sorry, but becoming a columnist himself is definitely not the job of the PCI, and this kind of pompous megalomania (tinged with outright political bias) certainly does not suit a former judge of the SC.

This time our self-proclaimed genius and expert-on-all-matters (i.e. FRAUD) Markandey Katju decided to air his opinions on Narendra Modi and Gujarat. But of course, you see, EVERYBODY, from folk dancers to pseudo-activists, and from Delhi Durbar pseudo-intellectuals to Bollywood celebs, is an expert on Modi and Gujarat 2002, right? It is ONLY the poor Supreme Court of India that is NOT an expert on Gujarat 2002, evidently, considering the "inexcusable mistake" they made in exonerating "evil Hindoo fascist bigot terrorist mass-murderer" Modi of all charges of wrongdoing, right? LOL! Katju's rant predictably also contained the usual (nowadays mandatory in all Modi-baiting articles) Congress-sponsored propaganda discrediting Gujarat's economic miracle as "myth". So now, with his post-retirement appointment as Chairman PCI coming to an end, looks like Markandey Katju is looking for another sine cure posting, this time possibly a bigger prize like an RS seat or a governorship (such as the one his grandfather had once secured from Indira Gandhi). And hence the usual dance of sycophancy and pleasing the dynasty Durbar, by slandering the Queen's enemy number one, Narendra Modi. But this time, Arun Jaitley rallied around and delivered to Katju an EPIC hammering of the kind that only he could deliver!

Venky Vembu has mentioned and linked some brilliant articles above: Do read Jaitley's article. Also the two Desh Gujarat articles that show how not just columnists and journalists, but even the sitting judiciary seems to be actively "baiting" Modi (and the Gujarat govt) in their effort to suck up to the centre Congress/UPA govt and the Nehru dynasty Durbar, so as to land plush post-retirement sine cure positions. But for the best analysis of the politics behind the emergence of "shoulders" like Katju over which the Congress will fire salvos for the next one year, read the Ram Jethmalani Sunday Guardian article that has been shared above.
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disha, Mind the language lest you be gone.

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RamaY wrote:^ Ravi_G garu

I hope the nationalistic group comes with a more focused approach to answering the media nonsense.

For example when Burkha says, "I need to talk about the elephant in the room - indicating the bias in police force" I wish the answer is "Burkha, the elephant in the room is YOU. The media which is not objective in its reporting and is twisting the details to project the secular fundamentalism".

Similarly I wish people present more details on the states and regions with in india where Muslims are in majority, and how organized jihadi mindset is growing there giving examples of "Kashmir, Kerala, Mumbai, Azamgadh etc" and take the bull by the horn.

I guess they wouldn't be invited in to other debates anymore... But if the nationalist perspective sticks to this position, the media will be forced to accommodate them.

At one point the Police representative (I think one Mr. M. N. Kumar) did point out how everybody in India was a Politician while pointing out the media's role. He did not find much support because basically both sides were sought to be set up as partners in crime (witness : The agreement between the Young Muslim and the Abhinav Bharat rep). Chandan, about the only guy who could have replied with some application of mind probably thought it fit not to roll with the pigs. Most of these pigs have a long long experience behind them. Representing a view, needs both an active defence/counterattack and an active avoidance of booby traps.

About the Muslims majority areas acting in a Secular manner, that was a valid point but then most times the people who can bring up these facts are boxed in, in an Undie TV match. In such a case merely exposing the sorry .... is the best way forward. You will have to wait for NM to score a digvijay.

You are right about the natjonalist perspective finding accomodation only if it comes out forcefully and clearly on the red lines. Nothing works like a man who has decided to speak for himself.
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ramana wrote:The roots of saffron terror canard are in the INC post Godhra strategy.
Looks more and more likely. And I hope Jethamalani can play a role in exposing this.

If the winds had not changed favorably towards Modi over the last year or so....I am quite certain that the media would have manufactured some BS by now about Modi having played a key role in 26/11. There are many retarded 'maverick' types and their chelas running wild all over - more than willing to play the cynical Congress game of vilification and public lynching.
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ramana wrote:disha, Mind the language lest you be gone.
ramana, modified the offending post.
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Rajnath Singh welcomes Jamiat leader Madani's remark on Narendra Modi, says BJP panel may decide party's PM candidate next month
The BJP would announce its prime ministerial candidate at its parliamentary board meeting, scheduled to be held next month, party president Rajnath Singh said on Monday.

Rajnath's comments come on the back of reports that Modi would be made the party's poll campaign chief for the next general election.

He said Modi would get a "crucial responsibility" for the general election as he admitted that the Gujarat heavyweight was the "most popular leader in the BJP and there is no doubt about it".
Well, March is a tad earlier than I had imagined. I hope they don't rush into the candidature declaration, especially when the cute ambiguity is proving beneficial. Unless, they have inside info LS polls are in 2013 and not 2014.... Anyway, rubber, meet road. Now let's see what sri nitish kr has to do (don't care what he says or not).
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Katju is crack fellow and one of my frinds who was a District Judge was almost sent to Jail by him though he did nothing. My frind has to say sorry. How come he like to humuliate a Judge for no fault of his.
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"I already telephoned and told you how pleased we were with the article in this morning¿s HINDU, but I must place it on record. It is an outstanding (article) ¿ it needed to be said by a person who doesn¿t merely pretend to support human rights but lives it every moment of his life," Nariman said.
http://www.financialexpress.com/news/on ... ju/1075838


The foot soldiers are trying to build themselves up in a phalanx.

Fali S. Nariman has joined ranks with his old time employers. A big shot lawyer he was the Presidential appointee to Rajya Sabha when Mr. K. R. Narayanan was the President. Mr. Kalam came in only in 2002. Before Mr. Kalam it was still the old boys network.

This keeps getting interesting. Now he will be shown the kaalikh on his face. That too in public.

Surprisingly he had had nothing on the other riots in Gujarat. All the erstwhile naukars in the naukarshahi have the debt of namak/salt to repay.
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Hari Seldon wrote:Rajnath Singh welcomes Jamiat leader Madani's remark on Narendra Modi, says BJP panel may decide party's PM candidate next month
The BJP would announce its prime ministerial candidate at its parliamentary board meeting, scheduled to be held next month, party president Rajnath Singh said on Monday.

Rajnath's comments come on the back of reports that Modi would be made the party's poll campaign chief for the next general election.

He said Modi would get a "crucial responsibility" for the general election as he admitted that the Gujarat heavyweight was the "most popular leader in the BJP and there is no doubt about it".
Well, March is a tad earlier than I had imagined. I hope they don't rush into the candidature declaration, especially when the cute ambiguity is proving beneficial. Unless, they have inside info LS polls are in 2013 and not 2014.... Anyway, rubber, meet road. Now let's see what sri nitish kr has to do (don't care what he says or not).

Nitish has already done his bit. The Surya Namaskar thing was his idea, no?

Probably he too got some whiff of the likely declaration from some helpful quarters.
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http://www.niticentral.com/2013/02/nare ... india.html
On the other hand, Modi’s ‘Idea of India’ is that of a strong nation which engages with the world and trades with all, confident that ‘Brand India’ can give other brands a run for their money. It’s not an inward looking India unsure of itself and insecure about others, but an India with a flourishing, competitive and innovative manufacturing sector that can flaunt the ‘Made in India’ label with justifiable pride as Japan once did before China rudely burst upon the scene. He has demonstrated this is possible with ‘minimum Government and maximum Governance’.
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Another hit job. ignoring data and giving totally one sided analysis besides the data
Take, for instance, the geographical breakdown which offers a bit of a shocker. Modi trails Rahul by one point in the West — yes, that’s right! In the West, which is defined as Maharashtra, Gujarat, Goa and Rajasthan. If that doesn’t evoke a suitable gasp of surprise, the numbers in the South will. Modi collectively outstrips Rahul by 55-26 in the states of Karnataka, Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh, and Kerala.
If we take them at their word, then, without a urban, high income or education skew in the sample, Modi still comes out way ahead in the South. But if we are to take the South results seriously, what should we make of the bizarre outcome in the West — which includes the home state of Gujarat where Modi just won a rousing reelection? This is a region where he surely enjoys far greater name recognition than any southern state. And they are also far more likely to be familiar with his record of governance.
In terms of caste and religion breakup, Modi loses out with Dalits (34-51), Tribals (44-49) and muslims, where the numbers are shockingly low. A minus-five percentage points support Modi compared to the 69 percent who back Rahul. His numbers with upper caste Hindus are, as expected, dizzyingly high (62-31).
Here's the cake
But the data do raise the big question: Can we have a prime minister of India who enjoys little support from the poor, Dalits, tribals and Muslims (the largest minority in the nation), and evokes ambivalence in nearly half of the population, i.e. women. They may represent the weaker sections of society, but taken together, they raise a big question mark about Modi’s ability to turn himself into a truly national leader.
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But the data do raise the big question: Can we have a prime minister of India who enjoys little support from the poor, Dalits, tribals and Muslims (the largest minority in the nation), and evokes ambivalence in nearly half of the population, i.e. women.
The idiot is talking as if Indian PM is appointed by some higher authority. It is a democracy. Why doesn't he let people decide in elections?
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This idiot should be very happy. 50% women do not vote for NaMo. 12% Muslims wont.25%SC&St votes will not vote. Then NaMo will not win. UPA-3 will be there. So why worry??? Eat Pizza and be happy. :D

By the way there seems to be something wrong with Gujarath - It does not have women, SC,ST, Muslim people at all. That is why NaMo is winning there every time. :rotfl:
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Nut Kaju gone nuts
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@NarayanRao ji,

Gujarat has no women. That's a killer bhai jaan.


What these guys are betting on is the earlier 'investments' they have made in promoting the Raajniti of Shahi Tukde. What they do not understand is that Indians are growing more and more demanding.

Ab Shahi Tukdon se ji nahi bharta. Ab toa Shah ki Thali mein Shah ke Khansaame khilayenge tab hi manenge.
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The Open Magazine survey results are quite explicit- as income levels rise above a bare minimum threshold and as education levels go up beyond secondary schooling - Modi starts to become the overwhelming favorite, and the masses start to recognize the stink emitted by the Congress.

Reiterates yet again what we all know.... the Dynasty has always been the leadership choice of duffers, by duffers and for the duffers.
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It is really sad. A person who needs treatment in a mental asylum is always on TV and now with a press council position. Incredible India!!!
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varunkumar wrote:
But the data do raise the big question: Can we have a prime minister of India who enjoys little support from the poor, Dalits, tribals and Muslims (the largest minority in the nation), and evokes ambivalence in nearly half of the population, i.e. women.
The idiot is talking as if Indian PM is appointed by some higher authority. It is a democracy. Why doesn't he let people decide in elections?

I would not underestimate this statement. These guys are building a case like the way in the late 80s democracy was subverted in Algeria. The Islamists won the election in Algeria in a real democratic way. To save secularism they formed a national government using all sorts of forces. In summary democracy was subverted.
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Hari Seldon wrote:Rajnath Singh welcomes Jamiat leader Madani's remark on Narendra Modi, says BJP panel may decide party's PM candidate next month
The BJP would announce its prime ministerial candidate at its parliamentary board meeting, scheduled to be held next month, party president Rajnath Singh said on Monday.

Rajnath's comments come on the back of reports that Modi would be made the party's poll campaign chief for the next general election.

He said Modi would get a "crucial responsibility" for the general election as he admitted that the Gujarat heavyweight was the "most popular leader in the BJP and there is no doubt about it".
Well, March is a tad earlier than I had imagined. I hope they don't rush into the candidature declaration, especially when the cute ambiguity is proving beneficial. Unless, they have inside info LS polls are in 2013 and not 2014.... Anyway, rubber, meet road. Now let's see what sri nitish kr has to do (don't care what he says or not).
Agree. NM should give more speeches (I think he should address the women, farmers, employees, police etc) and get more endorsements and then BJp should position him as the candidate, because various sections want his leadership.
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http://www.firstpost.com/politics/justi ... _medium=hp
Katju’s latest exertion comes in the form of an “extra-judicial” sentencing of Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi, in an op-ed column he wrote in The Hindu (here), for the riots of 2002. In that hyper-polemical commentary, Katju invokes the de rigueur citation of Nazi Germany in the context of Gujarat under Modi and goes on to issue what amounts to a public appeal to Indians to not allow Modi to become Prime Minister.

Markandey Katju has crossed the line of propriety. Reuters
In getting there, however, Katju crafts not a case worthy of his keen judicial mind; instead, he says, he isn’t excessively concerned about judicial pronouncements on Modi’s guilt (or lack thereof), because “he doesn’t buy it”. On the one hand, he says, he doesn’t want to comment on our judiciary. But in the same sentence, he goes on to say: “It is… said that (Modi) has not been found guilty by any court of law…, but I certainly do not buy the story that Mr. Modi had no hand in the events of 2002.”
Modi, points out Katju, was Gujarat Chief Minister at the time “when horrible events happened on such a large scale. Can it be believed that he had no hand in them? At least I find this impossible to believe.”

In other words, Super Judge Markandey Katju cannot be bothered with the due process of law and the findings of established courts of law – because, of course, his instincts tell him that Modi is guilty, and that is all that counts. And to think that in other circumstances, a man so swayed by such blatant personal and political biases may have been sitting in judgement on the Gujarat 2002 riots…
It was this that BJP leader Arun Jaitely was drawing attention to in his smackdown (here) of Katju’s column. Jaitley asked: “Should not a former judge who currently occupies a quasi-judicial office as Chairman of the Press Council of India, either quit before actively participating in politics or be sacked? Retired judges must remember that the rental for occupying a Lutyen’s bungalow post-retirdment has to be political neutrality, no political participation.”

Katju has defended himself against the criticism that he does not target Congress Chief Ministers (and presumably cites this as proof that he is not partisan) but he has failed to address the larger question about the impropriety of men holding public office taking a hyperpartisan line in their public utterances before they demit office.
The tragedy of it is that Katju’s criticism of Modi, even if it is well-intentioned, feeds the suspicion that he is lending himself as an instrument of what BJP leader Ram Jethmalani calls (here) the “Congress agenda” for the “political assassination of Narendra Modi, and banishing him from India’s political firmament forever, using the unfortunate post-Godhra riots as a handle.”
Jethmalani, who bats for Modi to be made the BJP’s Prime Ministerial candidate, claims that Congress thinktanks have been working over time to “draw up a… strategy of slander, false accusation, governmental and non-governmental disinformation, Goebellesian lies, aimed at converting falsehood into belief among the general population, opinion leaders and influential intellectuals.”

The lies, he adds, “were to be simple and crisp; they were to be repeated ad nauseum to embed them firmly as truth in the public mind, the media and internationally.”
http://deshgujarat.com/2010/03/22/it’s- ... -rewarded/
It’s official: Bait Modi, get rewarded
The recent nomination of noted lyricist and screen play writer, Javed Akhtar, to the Rajya Sabha is one such coincidence. He has time and again proved his worth by scripting classics and authoring memorable songs. But equally significant has been his petition filed in the Supreme Court that put the Narendra Modi Government on the mat, by raising a stink on all encounter killings in the State.

Filed in 2007, the petition is pending in the apex court. It was the same year when Akhtar added another feather to his cap — the Padma Bhushan — in the field of literature and education. With notice issued on his petition by the Supreme Court, the petition assumed significance after the Gujarat Government was pulled up by the Supreme Court after the State police admitted its mistake in the Sohrabuddin Sheikh fake encounter killing.

With two other instances of Ishrat Jahan and Javed Sheikh alias Pragnesh Pillai also coming under the spotlight, Akhtar’s petition was separated from the bunch of petitions filed on the Godhra riots and is slated for further hearing on May 14 this year.

Akhtar’s case alone is not a coincidence. The same year when he was awarded the Padma Bhushan, the Government awarded Teesta Setalvad with Padma Shri — in recognition of her ‘fight for justice’ for Godhra riot victims. Her NGO, Citizens for Justice and Peace, was formed in response to the 2002 Gujarat carnage and her petition filed in the Supreme Court laid the foundation for reopening of riot cases, shifting of trial outside Gujarat in several cases and protection to witnesses. The apex court is seized of the petition.

Another public figure that shot to prominence with her classical dance and won recognition and several awards, is no less known for her tirade against the Modi establishment. Danseuse Mallika Sarabhai too is on the list of Padma Bhushan awardees this year. In 2009, she stood in the Lok Sabha elections as an independent candidate from Gandhinagar (Gujarat) challenging the might of BJP leader LK Advani. For Mallika, who has earlier been endowed with the Padma Shri, the recent accomplishment has come as an added privilege. It was after the Gujarat riots that Sarabhai was vocal in her criticism against Chief Minister Narendra Modi.
http://deshgujarat.com/2013/02/17/more- ... t-context/
As Chief Justice, Khare had castigated Modi Government for failing its “raj dharma” of protecting the life and liberty of its citizens. On his retirement in 2004, Khare gave an interview to a leading national daily where he commented particularly on the State’s ‘collusion’ that he claimed forced him to react to the petitions filed by Teesta and her NGO. He was quoted as saying, “I found there was complete collusion between the accused and the prosecution in Gujarat, throwing rule of law to the winds. The Supreme Court had to step in to break the collusion to ensure protection to the victims and the witnesses.”

It was under him that the riot cases began to be monitored on a periodic basis and the Best Bakery case, where 21 accused were acquitted, got reopened. Khare was the recipient of the Padma Vibhushan, the second highest civilian award for his contribution in the field of public affairs in 2006.

Justice Khare was awarded Padma Bhushan which is just an award, but what Mr. Jaitley points out is post retirement postings, and it is more serious.
Supreme Court Justice Arijit Pasayat who once termed people in Gujarat’s 2002 regime as modern-day ‘Neros’, who ordered to transfer Best bakery case outside Gujarat for retrial in Maharashtra, who ordered SIT probe into Narendra Modi, his ministers role in 2002 Godhra riots just couple of days before polling in the state for Lok Sabha elections, enjoyed his last working day on Friday in the Supreme Court of India retired 9 May 2009 and was appointed as the first Chairman of Competition Appellate Tribunal (CAT) by the central government in less than two weeks after his retirement. He took a charge of this post on 20th May 2009 for five years term.

After CAT, Justice Pasayat was appointed as Chairman of Authority for Advance Rulings, Central Excise, Customs & Service Tax in 2012.
Another example is Justice Tarun Chaterjee. Justice Tarun Chatterjee and Aftab Alam had ordered CBI inquiry in Sohrabuddin encounter case. Chatterjee was given post-retirement posting. Click here

Look what Ram Jethamalani as a councel of Amit Shah in Sohrabuddin encounter case told Supreme court about Justice Tarun Chatterjee in November 2011: Jethmalani even did not spare the judge who handed over the case to CBI. He said, “How does a judge who is under investigation of CBI order the same agency to investigate?” He was referring to Justice Tarun Chatterjee, since retired, whose role in the UP provident fund scam was under investigation. “The continuation of judge and his likelihood of arrest was all at stake, for which reason he should have recused (withdrawn) from the case,” the senior counsel said, adding, “It is instances such as these that have prompted many to demand judges to be brought under the Lokpal.”

On next day, the Supreme Court had to ask then the UPA Government to explain whether there was any nexus between the judge and the Centre behind ordering a CBI probe into the Sohrabuddin Sheikh fake encounter killing on January 12, 2010.
Arguing against CBI’s plea for cancellation of Shah’s bail before a bench of Justices Aftab Alam and Ranjana P Desai, Jethmalani said, “Prejudice can be of two types — actual and apparent. Apparent prejudice includes any fiscal interests. The central government has provided a cushy post-retirement job (to Justice Chatterjee). That is a direct instance of fiscal interest.”

He said anyone who was being probed by CBI must have been in communication with the agency’s investigators. “Any reasonable person has cause to believe there will be a motivation to please the CBI,” he claimed.

Shah’s lawyer said he came across a terminology for the first time in the PF scam case – no prosecutable evidence against Justice Chatterjee, which was informed by the attorney general to the apex court. But CBI did send a report to the appropriate authority on this.

Further, he reasoned that when the CBI officers were constantly questioning the judge, there was a reasonable cause to believe “there will be a motivation to please the CBI”. This got proved later when the charge-sheet in the PF scam neither held the judge “guilty” or “not guilty”. Instead, “There was an inscrutable observation against him that there is no prosecutable evidence. I have not come across this word in the Criminal Procedure Code.”

Jethmalani said for this reason, his client believed that the January 12 order was a result of political conspiracy. “All proceedings before the bench on January 12 should be declared non-est(non-existent in law). It is a duty this court owes to the system. A great damage will be done if things are brushed under the carpet,” he said.

When the bench sought the Centre’s response, additional solicitor general Indira Jaising attempted to wriggle out by saying she was representing the Centre in Rubabuddin Sheikh’s writ petition and not in either the cancellation of bail or transfer of the trial outside Gujarat.

But the bench insisted for the Centre’s response. “It has been said that the whole investigation is part of a political conspiracy. He (Jethmalani) has alleged that the judge, on behalf of the party at the Centre, directed the order. It is for you to see whether it concerns you or not,” the bench said.

On the plea for transfer of the case outside the state because of surcharged atmosphere, Jethmalani said CBI’s evidence relating to 200 extortion complaints against Shah had no basis and even the bench had termed them as trash.

“Then they say there is a surcharged atmosphere in Gujarat. It is a statement that no decent citizen in this country should accept. It is the most well governed state. Yes, riots took place in 2002. But it is a forgotten affair now. You cannot stigmatize the entire judiciary of the state to seek transfer of this one case,” he said.
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@s_navroop: I find the Katju article a Delibrate Ploy by Cong to Shift focus from #ChopperGate where THE FAMILY is Involved."
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Sushupti wrote:@s_navroop: I find the Katju article a Delibrate Ploy by Cong to Shift focus from #ChopperGate where THE FAMILY is Involved."
bakwaaas!!! All these media houses are controlled by Mrs.Gandhi. There is no way any of these mice having guts to take on the family. This katju or no Katju, the chopper scam is not going to be taken as a 24x7 on Indian TVs.
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^^^ what about timesnow?
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Sushupti wrote:^^^ what about timesnow?
Timesnow is more INC that all that you see. They will take on folks (even inside INC) whom have the approval from the family. Arnab is one of the same junk like Barkha. I wouldn't fall. These folks will look brilliant if the issue is not political.
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