Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 01 Mar 2014 11:15

From NightWatch for the night of 27 Feb 2014

Pakistan: Pakistani news services reported that the security forces are poised to launch a full-scale offensive in North Waziristan Agency (NWA) if talks with the Pakistani Taliban fail. An unidentified senior government official said reinforcements would not have to be sent into the area because the troops already are deployed there and only would have to be repositioned for what he said would be a "very visible operation." Comment: The government suspended peace talks after a Pakistani Taliban faction detonated a bomb in Karachi that killed 12 police officers last week and another group announced it had executed 23 paramilitary soldiers who were kidnapped in June 2010. In the past week, Pakistan Air Force combat aircraft have attacked targets in Waziristan, in an apparent warning of additional military operations unless the Pakistani Taliban attacks stop and negotiates in good faith. Large, visible punitive operations in the tribal agencies have had little success for many reasons. A key one is that they always must rely on local paramilitary forces for intelligence and combat support. That dependency invariably defeats operational security, undermines effectiveness and limits success. The paramilitary forces are recruited from and live in the agency so they have little incentive to cooperate in operations against their own tribe or neighbors. A big military show that stalled would embolden the Pakistani Taliban and ensure no resumption of talks. The environment for peace talks also is more complex than ever because every security development in Pakistan is influenced by the drawdown of US and NATO forces from Afghanistan this year. That will be another watershed event in South Asia. For example, this is the last opportunity Pakistan will have to improve security conditions in the tribal agencies in the northwest while American forces are still capable of lending support. For the Pakistani Taliban, the drawdown of NATO forces portends a cutoff of pilfered supplies. That is an incentive to engage in talks to stall for time and build up stocks. Attacks during talks signal that negotiations with the government are not a sign of weakness. That message explains the targeting of government security personnel. The Karachi attack demonstrates that the Pakistani Taliban have support and are capable of attacking outside the tribal agencies.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 01 Mar 2014 12:17

X-post from 'Pakistan arms, ops thread'
Pak set to get Chinese submarines - ToI

Jane's weekly quoting a senior Pakistani official says China is set to sell up to six submarines to Pakistan by end of 2014.

Pakistan's ambitious defence planners are also pushing China for selling submarine-launched nuclear ballistic missiles. But western diplomats say China may be reluctant to hand over such sophisticated equipment fearing harsh reactions from Washington. {Absolutely nothing of that sort. The 'harsh reactions' could be stage-managed to pacify India, but with the India-US relation what it is nowadays, even that would not happen. Very soon, PN would have submarine-launched ballistic missiles.}

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 01 Mar 2014 13:45

http://tribune.com.pk/story/677579/poli ... rud-blast/

Eleven khasadar officials who were providing security to a polio team were killed and seven others were injured in two separate blasts in Jamrud, Express News correspondent Yasir Ali reported on Saturday.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 01 Mar 2014 14:33

SSridhar wrote:X-post from 'Pakistan arms, ops thread'
Pak set to get Chinese submarines - ToI

Jane's weekly quoting a senior Pakistani official says China is set to sell up to six submarines to Pakistan by end of 2014.

Someone wake me up when the subs start appearing. I will wait and watch. In any case getting worked (either by me or anyone else) up will make no difference.

Have any Jordanian F-16s arrived yet?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 01 Mar 2014 17:03

(Average) Height of bakistanis has fallen 4 inches over 50 years, say experts

And, this after the Bangladeshis went their own merry way. Apparently, they were the taller ones.

The average height of Pakistanis has fallen four inches over the last 50 years due to malnourishment and food deficiency

cousin marriages were also one of the reasons for the short stature of Pakistanis

Comments from the momeens (sic):

Just shut up for a while. I am the produce of cousin marriage and I am more stronger and bigger than my parents and also My neighbors have a love marriage and their offsprings are manhandled by me on a daily basis and non-cousin marriage did not benefited them at all rather they decreased in height compared to their father. So your idea is absolutely wrong. Only if your families have some diseases then cousin marriage is not good otherwise it is fine.

just look at the cricket team of 80s and 90s. all were long and handsome. and look at the cricket team now. all are dwarfs compared to the 90s players. saeed anwar was the shortest player in 90s team. but if he had come to team now, he would be one of the tallest. the lack of height also affecting the batting and pace performence of the team

The article, which is two years old, does not say what the "new" average height of a west bakistani is.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 01 Mar 2014 17:10

While the bakis got shorter by 4", their Sooth Asian SDRE counterparts increased by two inches. Indian children walking tall: Study shows teenagers are 2 inches taller than in 1992

Height and weight of children across the socio-economic spectrum have registered an increase

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 01 Mar 2014 17:17

Dilbu wrote:
This is incorrectly called the beginning of Muslim contact with what is now referred to as South Asia, yet it supports one of the many official narratives of when Muslim ‘consciousness’ and identity were created in this region.
Pakis do make a spirited effort to rename 'Indian subcontinent' as South Asia but as usual they are fooling no one but themselves.

The beggars will not stop trying. The moth eaten paki description of jinnah has hit home hard

Is the Taj Mahal Pakistani?

OF COURSE, this is an absurd question. How on earth could the Taj Mahal ‘be Pakistani’ and claim a nationality which was only imagined 400 years after the mausoleum was constructed, and one hopes that no one in their senses would ask such a preposterous question.

Yet, in a class of undergraduate students at one of Pakistan’s best universities, precisely this question was animatedly debated during a session on Pakistan’s history, with some students stating that the Taj was part of Pakistan’s history, and others implying that it was ‘Pakistani’.

These students had all taken a course in Pakistan Studies prior to starting their undergraduate degree. Clearly, the highly controversial and contested nature of how history is constructed in Pakistan, given the numerous possibilities of framing a history of Pakistan, allows for multiple competing narratives, including a claim to the Taj ‘being’ Pakistani.

Pakistani history has been a contentious topic where different sets of narratives give differing accounts of what Pakistani history is and, hence, how one imagines Pakistan.

Given the eventual partition of British India and the creation of Pakistan, some historians have claimed that Pakistan was ‘created’ in 712 AD when an Arab invader came to what is now part of Pakistan.

This is incorrectly called the beginning of Muslim contact with what is now referred to as South Asia, yet it supports one of the many official narratives of when Muslim ‘consciousness’ and identity were created in this region.

Other competing narratives look to the Delhi Sultanate, or the Mughal Empire, or events in the 19th century and 1857, crystallising into a separate Muslim identity which, inevitably led to Muslim ‘separatism’ and to the creation of Pakistan.

The question, when was Pakistan ‘created’, is one which simply works around a Muslims-are-different-from-Hindus discourse, culminating in a separate homeland.

Hence, if the history of Pakistan is the history of Muslims in India, and just as Mohammad bin Qasim can become part of a certain legacy and heritage and can be caricatured as the ‘first Pakistani’, so too can the Taj as ‘being’ Pakistani. Pakistani history and a history of Pakistan’s people and their land, become two conflicting narratives.

As a consequence, ‘Pakistani’ history, ignores the history of the people who live in what was Pakistan (West and East) and what is left of it. Mohenjodaro, Harappa, and the history of the people of Pakistan is dominated by a north Indian (largely Hindustani) Muslim history, and that too only of kings and their courts.

The Pakistan ‘freedom movement’ of course — and not the movement for independence from British colonialism for all Indian peoples — shapes this discourse more teleologically, once politics dominate undivided India in the 20th century.

The little writing that has taken place about Pakistani history is largely hagiographic and hyperbolic, where the project Pakistan with Muslims as a driving force is required to explain processes which led to the culmination of the events leading to August 1947.

The actors, or at least the heroes are almost always Muslim, and students seldom hear about the role Nehru, Gandhi, Ambedkar, Patel and Bose played in bringing about freedom for the 300 million Indians under colonialism.

One only hears of a handful of Muslim men who brought about freedom for Muslims from a Hindu majority. The British imperialists are inconsequential in this narrative, and are only responsible for making a mess of partition by not giving Pakistan many of the districts which are claimed on the basis of them being Muslim-majority areas.

In the most ingenious and creative recent book to be published on Pakistan’s emergence as a political idea, historian Faisal Devji in his Muslim Zion raises some fascinating and sophisticated arguments which complicate any simplistic notion of what passes as Pakistani history.

His book is a highly nuanced and multilayered understanding of the ideas which led to the justification and creation of Pakistan, and while many of Devji’s conceptualisations need to be contested, for our purposes his statement that Pakistan’s history lies outside its borders, gives rise to some of the problems of imagining a history of Pakistan described here, and allows some to claim the Taj Mahal as ‘Pakistani’.

Moreover, if this claim that Pakistan’s history lies ‘outside its borders’ is valid, and indeed in many critical ways this is certainly the case, it also implies, that the country which came into being called Pakistan, in this hegemonic notion of history, really has no history of its own. The so-called ‘freedom movement’ was fought in a foreign land, the land of the Taj Mahal, not the land of the people who inherited a country called Pakistan where their ancestors had lived for millennia.

Ascribing a status of nationality to brick and mortar — even the Taj Mahal — poses numerous challenging epistemological questions, yet the question of what Pakistani history is, remains unaddressed in a land still searching for understanding. Depending on how one answers this question, one is led through many ideological labyrinths and some geographical ones as well.

If Pakistan is imagined ideologically, then all one has to do is determine when Pakistan came in to being, clearly no easy task, and limiting oneself to a history of the Muslims in India, or a history of Islam in South Asia. If Pakistan is imagined geographically, the connotations of how the history of the peoples and lands of Pakistan is taught and understood, varies hugely.

The writer is a political economist.

RSoami · Post by **RSoami** » 01 Mar 2014 18:00

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 62268.html

12 dead. Attack on polio team.

K Mehta · Post by **K Mehta** » 01 Mar 2014 18:40

Friendly interaction between neighbouring states in al bak

Preventive measures: Indus being diverted to save Hoto village
All this being done for public welfare onlee

Some experts have expressed fear that the main highway connecting Gilgit with Skardu may be next if soil erosion is not stopped.

for reference hoto village in gmaps

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 01 Mar 2014 19:03

chetak wrote: Given the eventual partition of British India and the creation of Pakistan, some historians have claimed that Pakistan was ‘created’ in 712 AD when an Arab invader came to what is now part of Pakistan.

FYI, this is not just a claim of some historians. It is a claim by the foremost proponent of the Two Nation Theory - Muhammad Ali Jinnah.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 01 Mar 2014 19:14

1008 little houris standing at the gates of jannat..

ISLAMABAD, March 1 (Xinhua) -- The death toll rose to 14 in the bomb attacks that hit the vehicles of security personnel in Pakistan's northwestern tribal region of Khyber Agency on Saturday, officials said.

Assistant Civil Administrator of Khyber Agency Jahangir Wazir said that at least 14 people including a child and 13 security personnel were killed and four others injured when three bomb blasts hit two vehicles of the security forces in the Jamrud Town of Khyber Agency, a restive region bordering Afghanistan.

Wazir said that the unknown terrorists attacked the two convoys comprising the personnel of Levies Force and Frontier Constabulary, with bomb blasts followed by intensive firing at them in two different areas of Jamrud Town.

The personnel of Levies Force and Frontier Constabulary, a paramilitary force, were on duty for the security of health workers who were running a campaign for polio vaccination in the region.

The security personnel retaliated the attacks and saved the polio workers by sending them into nearby houses.

The explosions and firing destroyed the vehicles completely and spread panic in the area.

Local people and rescue teams shifted the bodies and injured to hospital.

According to the officials, the bombs were planted on the roadside and were triggered with a remote controlled device.

Security forces have cordoned off the area and launched a search operation to arrest the culprits.

No group claimed responsibility for the attacks yet.

Despite a number of vaccination campaigns over the years, Pakistan is still one of only three countries in the world where the polio virus is still endemic.

Militants in Pakistan have been opposing polio vaccination and consider such campaigns a move to make Muslim boys sterile and a cover for spying.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 01 Mar 2014 19:19

anupmisra wrote:While the bakis got shorter by 4", their Sooth Asian SDRE counterparts increased by two inches. Indian children walking tall: Study shows teenagers are 2 inches taller than in 1992

Height and weight of children across the socio-economic spectrum have registered an increase

Here joo go

Height of Pakistanis has fallen 4 inches over 50 years, say experts

FAISALABAD: The average height of Pakistanis has fallen four inches over the last 50 years due to malnourishment and food deficiency.

This was revealed in a workshop on “Applied Nature Need Based research Projects of Food Industries” organized by National Institute of Food Science & Technology (NIFSAT) University of Agriculture, Faisalabad here on Monday.

Speaking on the occasion, Vice Chancellor, UAF Professor Dr Iqrar Ahmad Khan, said that cousin marriages were also one of the reasons for the short stature of Pakistanis. He urged the need for new diet packages to be introduced for balanced, affordable food.

Dr Iqrar also expressed concerns over existing eating habits, saying 50 years ago, large amounts of corn flour was traditionally consumed, but over time, Pakistanis had lost the mechanism to cook roti with corn flour, which was a cheaper, healthier staple food item.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 01 Mar 2014 19:43

Pakistan Taliban announce month truce

The Pakistani Taliban have announced a month-long ceasefire aimed at reviving stalled peace talks with government.

Spokesman Shahidullah Shahid said all Taliban fighters had been urged to "refrain from any activity during this period".

The talks broke down last month, after Taliban-linked militants said they had killed 23 soldiers they were holding.

This triggered air strikes by the Pakistani military against suspected militant hideouts in the north-west.

Mr Shahid said that the Taliban had decided on a ceasefire "because of a positive response from the government, an appeal from the religious scholars and for the better future of Pakistan".

He requested the Pakistani government to fulfil the group's demands, which include an end to US drone strikes and the introduction of sharia law.

Irfan Siddiqui, an adviser to the Pakistani prime minister, said that he had so far not received any information regarding a ceasefire, but added that it would be a "positive development".

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 01 Mar 2014 19:46

What's with the names of these TTP spokesmen. Ehsanullah Ehsan, Shahidullah Shahid etc are real names?. Some random 'Adul-ullah Abdul' seems to be the format.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 01 Mar 2014 19:51

10 armed men, 3 security personnel killed in Balochistan

QUETTA, March 1 (APP): At least ten armed men were killed in a shootout in Sui area of Balochistan while in a separate incident, three security men died as a result of IED attack in Kalat district, official sources said on Saturday. “The security personnel carried out raid in Darinjan and Rustam Bazar areas of Sui where armed men opened fire at them, FC spokesman told APP.
In a retaliation, ten armed men were killed while huge cache of arms and ammunition were also recovered.
Meanwhile, in a separate incidents three FC men were killed and six others were wounded. FC spokesman said that security personnel vehicle was patrolling in Balochistan’s Kalat district when it hit improvised explosive device. Resultantly, three soldiers died instantly Six others received critical injuries.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 01 Mar 2014 19:56

Fiery response: Kabul fends off terror sanctuary charge

ISLAMABAD: Afghanistan hit out at Pakistan on Friday for allowing ‘terrorists’ training centres and sanctuaries on its soil a day after Islamabad cautioned Kabul against permitting militants to take shelter across the border during any military operation in the Waziristan tribal region.
The problem of ‘terrorism and extremism in the region’ originates from Pakistan, Afghan Foreign Ministry spokesperson Ahmed Shakeeb Mustaghni said.

On Thursday, Pakistani foreign ministry spokesperson Tasnim Aslam urged Afghanistan not to allow militants to enter its territory in the wake of airstrikes in the tribal region. In a statement issued on Friday, Afghanistan’s foreign ministry said, “Pakistan has hideouts and training centres for terrorists and extremists for years and attacks have been launched into Afghanistan from there that have caused casualties.” Afghanistan, the ministry added, has always called for ‘sincere and practical’ cooperation with Pakistan to fight terrorism and extremism. The Dari version of the statement was received by The Express Tribune in Islamabad.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 01 Mar 2014 21:43

shiv wrote:While the bakis got shorter by 4", their Sooth Asian SDRE counterparts increased by two inches. Indian children walking tall: Study shows teenagers are 2 inches taller than in 1992

Height and weight of children across the socio-economic spectrum have registered an increase

Kafir Yindians are now 6 inches taller that TFTA Pakis !!

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 01 Mar 2014 23:25

shiv wrote:ote="anupmisra"]While the bakis got shorter by 4", their Sooth Asian SDRE counterparts increased by two inches. url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/in ... -1992.html]Indian children walking tall: Study shows teenagers are 2 inches taller than in 1992[/url]Here joo go
Height of Pakistanis has fallen 4 inches over 50 years, say expertsBEGGRABAD: The average height of Pakistanis has fallen four inches over the last 50 years due to malnourishment and food deficiency., Faisalabad here on Monday.

But Baki enjoying the side benefit of this shortrage and malnut-atrition. The Stupidity Level gaining new height by the day. The PIIDI =Pakistani Islamist Intellectual Deficit Index is higher than Himala and climibing faster than F16.

RSoami · Post by **RSoami** » 01 Mar 2014 23:41

The attack on Polio party is also significant in the use of roadside bomb. If the bad Taliban start using this method of targetting the Pakis, just like the good Taliban does in Afghanistan, very soon Pashtoonistan will be beyond the reach of Pakistani Army.

sudhan · Post by **sudhan** » 02 Mar 2014 00:25

RSoami wrote:The attack on Polio party is also significant in the use of roadside bomb. If the bad Taliban start using this method of targetting the Pakis, just like the good Taliban does in Afghanistan, very soon Pashtoonistan will be beyond the reach of Pakistani Army.

Saar, Maj Gen Sanaullah Niazi was dispatched by TTP using a roadside IED, I am sure it is not new toy for them..

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 02 Mar 2014 00:30

Shobhaa De's visit to Lahore. Ends with wish for Amonkey Ayesha but is not one of those Amonkey Ayesha pieces
http://www.mumbaimirror.com/columns/com ... 187500.cms

Our Pakistani porter wryly commented that Pakistani prisoners from India are released in twos and threes, while Pakistan is far more generous when it comes to freeing our quaidis {Like how they buy mangoes by the basketful, Indians buy 2-3}

There were other subtle protests, like the artistically painted autorickshaws carrying social messages of peace (you can sponsor one for just Rs 1,500) that were parked inside the complex. This was to counter the aggressive religious propaganda on autos which dart in and out of traffic across the city.

At the Punjab Governor's reception for delegates, hosted at his magnificent mansion ('the lawns here are bigger than those around Buckingham Palace', boasted a local)

The outspoken activist/feminist ,legendary writer Fahmida Riaz, repeatedly and loudly cribbed she was missing alcohol! Someone else joked, "What a laugh! A cocktail party without cocktails!" But certain resourceful people in our group managed to get around this troublesome detail quite efficiently! Mohsin Hamid made up for the lapse the next night by hosting an elegant party (with unlimited cocktails!) at his mother-in-law's stylish Italian restaurant, Cosa Nostra. The ravishing Begums of Lahore twirled and preened in their chinchilla wraps and antique Tooshes, their delicate hands balancing heavy whiskey tumblers. {Bull cutlet candidates for sure!}

But the amusing message to India was delivered by Mehr Tarar - the tireless tweeter, also known as the 'other woman' in the Shashi Tharoor-Sunanda Pushkar tragedy...."Sunanda ruined my life and reputation by calling me an ISI agent. She also ruined her own husband's political career by making all those false allegations. I did not have an affair with Shashi. I am not a stalker. But now my name is permanently linked to theirs and gets thrown up each time you google them. I have become a part of their lives! I want to request India to leave me alone. I feel really bad that Shashi may not get a ticket because of all this." Message over. Strange that Mehr ("Please spell my name correctly. It is 'Mehr', like Mehr Jessia spells it") is more worried about Tharoor's political future, than the tragic death of Sunanda ("What did she get by killing herself... look at the number of lives she ruined!"). Those boots are definitely made for walking!!!

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 02 Mar 2014 01:29

Cross Posted on the Oil & Natural Gas : News & Discussion

India, Iran and Oman go under sea to build pipelines, change geopolitics

NEW DELHI : India is contemplating energy pipelines from the Gulf again — this time running under the sea, rather than traversing Pakistan. With international sanctions on Iran fading as a result of a nuclear agreement, an energy pipeline may be the most positive regional consequence.

The new plan proposes to transport oil and natural gas through deep sea pipelines via Oman in a process where Iran, and even Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan energy can feed the pipeline for an ever-growing Indian market. Yusuf bin Alawi bin Abdullah, Oman's foreign minister, raised the possibility with Salman Khurshid during their meeting on Friday.

Oman had invested $90 million on this project over a decade ago, but it got no traction then. But now, the technology has come of age, with pipelines being built under the Mediterranean Sea from Algeria to Itali, and under the Black Sea from Russia to Germany. Abdullah suggested the pipeline could transport gas from Iran, even Qatar, as well as Central Asian states.

Khurshid floated the prospect with Javad Zarif, Iranian foreign minister, who he met later in the day. The Iranians have revived talk of deep-sea pipelines to India after the failure of the IPI pipeline. Iran cancelled a $500 million loan to Pakistan in December. India had pulled out of the IPI several years ago citing price and security issues.

Those issues remain. In fact, as the US withdraws from Afghanistan, the TAPI pipeline from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan and Pakistan is fast losing its attractiveness.

Iran has reportedly jumped at the idea. Oman is India's most trusted partner in the Gulf, therefore comfort levels are high between New Delhi and Muscat, more than even with Iran. Zarif added to the Omani proposal - Iran was negotiating separately with Turkmenistan for an overland pipeline to carry its gas to an Iranian terminal and thence to markets like India. If these negotiations succeed, Iran could be a beachhead for gas not only from its fields but from other Gulf suppliers, even Qatar, which is India's largest supplier of LNG.

"An undersea pipeline from Iran to India could be completed as quickly as 3-4 years. Our feasibility studies show they would cost in the region of $5 billion," said Subodh Jain, whose company, Sage is the best known Indian entity to acquire technology for such pipelines. Jain has proposed building an under-sea energy infrastructure corridor, which could be used by major gas suppliers to connect to terminals in India's west coast. Any such pipeline could transport about 31 million cubic meters of gas a day.

"India relies on LNG, but it's the equivalent of relying on champagne. If we stick to LNG, we will become addicted to expensive energy imports. Therefore, a gas pipeline particularly for the power sector, makes eminent sense," said a senior official. "Very soon, almost 20,000MW of gas-fueled power plants will go idle in India due to gas shortage. Pipelines are overdue here."

If energy trade is to resume between Iran and India, the Chahbahar port acquires greater important. Zarif and Khurshid agreed to get the final agreement on investment. India is putting in an affordable $100 million before the Nauroz holidays. The shipping ministry has already completed its studies and price estimates, so officials working on the project said this should not be a stretch.

The Iranian government has been flipping back and forth on this project, so officials reckon a deadline would focus attention in New Delhi and Tehran.

Once complete, Chahbahar would also be the entry point for Indian goods travelling to Central Asia and beyond through the international north-south transport corridor. In their conversation, Zarif made a determined pitch for the INSTC, though it has been Iranian tardiness that has delayed a project like this. In 2012, Turkey officially offered to join the north-south corridor, though with their recent troubles with Iran, no one is quite sure whether that still holds true.

In a related decision, India will conduct a dry run study in March on the INSTC, through Nhava Sheva (Mumbai)- Bandar Abbas (Iran)- Tehran-Bandar Anzali (Iran)-Astrakhan(Russia). This was agreed between India and Azerbaijan during the recent visit of Huseyngulu Baghirov, natural resources minister. Iran and Azerbaijan have to build Gazvin-Rasht-Astara (Iran)-Astara (Azerbaijan) railway route for connecting the railway lines of the INSTC.

What is clear is that Iran is returning to the geostrategic table in the region. It needs to have a credible nuclear agreement with the west before that happens.

Cheers

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 02 Mar 2014 02:09

Pakistan’s population to double in next 36 years

ISLAMABAD : With an estimated population of over 180 million and growth rate of 2%, Pakistan population will double in the next 36 years.

Me thinks that Pakistan’s Population is now between 210 and 220 Million. So at the end of 2050 it should be hovering near the 425 Million Mark.
Cheers

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 02 Mar 2014 02:51

^^^
Damn, just when we were hoping world peace is achievable, now it will remain elusive with 425M inbreds running amock.

arun · Post by **arun** » 02 Mar 2014 10:47

Having fomented international Mohammadden terrorism in order to target India and other neighbours, the Islamic Republic of Pakistan continues to suffer the blowback of her “tactically brilliant” policy.

The International Tennis fraternity, as in the case of the international cricket fraternity, has continued its policy of not permitting the Islamic Republic to be used as a venue for Davis cup matches

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ITF snubs Pakistan once again as Davis Cup venue

Last year the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s “tactically brilliant” plan of selecting Myanmar as the neutral site after the ITF declined permission for the tie to be held in the Islamic Republic on security grounds, blew up in their faces when the Davis Cup tie was declared forfeit and awarded to New Zealand on the grounds that tennis courts were not up to match standard

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Davis Cup debacle in Myanmar PTF secretary hits out at Aisam, coach

arun · Post by **arun** » 02 Mar 2014 12:27

X Posted from the “Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc” thread.

Iran claims that Iranian border guards held hostage in Pakistan have been rescued by Pakistani forces while on the other hand Pakistan claims they know nothing about the rescue.

Methinks the Iranian’s unilaterally launched a cross border operation to free kidnap victims held in Pakistan and having done so are looking to preserve Pakistani Honour and Dignity aka H&D by giving credit for the rescue to Pakistan.

Seems the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Islamic Republic were sleeping on the job of securing Pakistan’s frontiers:

Iran says abducted border guards freed in Pakistan

arun · Post by **arun** » 02 Mar 2014 12:27

X Posted from the “Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc” thread.

The Punjabi dominated Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan are forcibly occupying land of Pushtun farmers. 200,000 Pathans in Khawazakhela to lose access to their land because of the construction of an army base by the Punjabi dominated Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan :

Pakistani army fuels anger in securing Swat from Taliban

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 03 Mar 2014 09:26

Pak to halt air strikes against Taliban - Meena Menon, The Hindu

Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan on Sunday announced that the government had decided to suspend the air strikes on terrorist hideouts which were going on for a few days.

He welcomed the call for a month-long ceasefire by the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) on Saturday.

He reiterated that the government had not launched a military operation against terrorists anywhere in the country since it took over in June last year and whatever action was taken was in response to terror strikes.

The government has repeatedly clarified that the military had a right to self-defence if its personnel were targeted. Chaudhry Nisar’s announcement comes after consultation with the Prime Minister and Chief of Army Staff General Raheel Sharif.

While stating that the government had responded to the TTP’s positive announcement on Saturday, the minister was clear that it will not tolerate violence and reserves the right to retaliate in such cases.

OK, now that a few empty mud-houses were attacked by top-of-the-line F-16s and now that the US is convinced that more F-16s would be helpful to PAF in tackling the TTP, the air strikes have been called off naturally.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 03 Mar 2014 09:34

SSridhar wrote:X-post from 'Pakistan arms, ops thread'
Pak set to get Chinese submarines - ToI

Pertinent to Iran-Oman-India undersea pipeline.

partha · Post by **partha** » 03 Mar 2014 09:58

What ceasefire?

http://tribune.com.pk/story/678270/blas ... personnel/

Blast in Landikotal kills 2 FC personnel

Frontier Corps fast becoming Frontier Corpse.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/678286/firi ... islamabad/

Armed men open fire in Islamabad district court

Marshallah, battle now being shifted to Punjab?

sadhana · Post by **sadhana** » 03 Mar 2014 10:02

http://www.zemtv.com/2014/03/02/siyasat ... arch-2014/

Strategic depth is an orphan with no fathers. Mirza Aslam Beg says he and Pak Army had nothing to do with Afghan jihad. It was all CIA, ISI and Zia ul Haq's few friends. Benazir Bhutto not Army ordered failed Jalalabad offensive.

Najam Sethi came from India in 1963. The Bin Laden killed was not bin Laden.

Oh and TTP are Umrika's and India's paid agents but Pakistan should not fight them. Pakistan should talk to them because they represent 20 million Pashtuns on both sides of Durand Line and no one ever ruled in Kabul without FATA's approval.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 03 Mar 2014 10:04

Agnimitra wrote:
SSridhar wrote:X-post from 'Pakistan arms, ops thread'
Pak set to get Chinese submarines - ToI
Pertinent to Iran-Oman-India undersea pipeline.

Agni garu,
What is the nature of Ibadis (of Oman) vs Shia Sunni ?
Any aspects wrt historical experience or cultural outlook which may predispose them to ally with Indian interests in longterm as opposed to say Saudi Arabics and other assorted Pakis ?
Maybe you can put it as post in West Asia thread if your time permits...

partha · Post by **partha** » 03 Mar 2014 10:20

http://tribune.com.pk/story/678286/firi ... islamabad/

10:20am

Dr Ayesha told media that 11 people are dead. She also said that at least 25 people are injured, adding that around half are in critical condition.

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10:18am

Emergency was declared in Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences (Pims). Pims representative Dr Ayesha confirmed that 10 people were killed.

Just yesterday after Pakistan won an inconsequential cricket match, Bakis were all acting as if they will win Kashmir next. Back to reality today. Regular programming shuru.

partha · Post by **partha** » 03 Mar 2014 10:32

Eye witnesses say that the attackers were tall, had long hair and arrived in a white Prado.

Chalo jee, at least Yindian SDRE hand in this attack can be ruled out.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 03 Mar 2014 10:35

What about the crucial details? Anyone saw them from the back? Were their musharrafs tight?

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 03 Mar 2014 10:43

Lilo wrote:What is the nature of Ibadis (of Oman) vs Shia Sunni ?
Any aspects wrt historical experience or cultural outlook which may predispose them to ally with Indian interests in longterm as opposed to say Saudi Arabics and other assorted Pakis ?
Maybe you can put it as post in West Asia thread if your time permits...

Posted here: http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 4#p1602674

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 03 Mar 2014 10:45

Apparently four or more fellows, of which two went boom. Two or more are still inside. One judge got his 72.

Apparently they are well armed and holed up inside.

Wonder who came up with complex urban attacks while holed up and firing in crowded public buildings like this?

partha · Post by **partha** » 03 Mar 2014 10:48

Anujan wrote: One judge got his 72.

Make it 3.

partha · Post by **partha** » 03 Mar 2014 10:51

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 03 Mar 2014 10:53

Fellows chose an Isloo district court instead of the Supreme court. Wonder what the court did to irk them.

Also, do the lawyers plan to garland and defend the attackers Qadri-style? Inquiring minds want to know.