Humiliation of the USA continues. Corporate executives showing obsequiness. And President taking credit for 3,000 jobs.Singha wrote:intel ceo has gone to WH and announced a $7b arizona chip plant.
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Yup! How DARE they do something positive! At $100K spent/earned per job by the community, this is a piddling $300M per year. Pah!komal wrote:Humiliation of the USA continues. Corporate executives showing obsequiness. And President taking credit for 3,000 jobs.Singha wrote:intel ceo has gone to WH and announced a $7b arizona chip plant.
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^^^ The question is was Intel going to build that plant in Arizona anyway?
Fab 42 in Arizona was announced in 2011, to be completed in 2013. Obama toured the site in 2012. But there was a downturn in the PC industry, and Intel in 2014 left Fab 42 incomplete. Now in 2017, Intel has decided to complete the plant. It will manufacture 7nm chips.
https://arstechnica.com/business/2017/0 ... d-in-2011/
And folks complain about business regulations & international agreements, but
But be sure, Trump is doing a con-job on the gullible. Which unfortunately, includes some Mongolians.
Fab 42 in Arizona was announced in 2011, to be completed in 2013. Obama toured the site in 2012. But there was a downturn in the PC industry, and Intel in 2014 left Fab 42 incomplete. Now in 2017, Intel has decided to complete the plant. It will manufacture 7nm chips.
https://arstechnica.com/business/2017/0 ... d-in-2011/
And folks complain about business regulations & international agreements, but
I'm sure this is one set of business regulations & agreements that Trump is not going to scrap.Under the terms of the Wassenaar Arrangement, Intel needs to get government approval before it can export manufacturing equipment capable of making anything smaller than 45nm chips (that number changes over time as manufacturing processes improve). This is one reason why Intel only has one factory in China and why that factory was making then-outdated 65nm chips when it opened in 2010. It's not that Intel can't build advanced chip factories outside of the US, but it does appear to be easier overall to keep the most advanced processes in the US.
But be sure, Trump is doing a con-job on the gullible. Which unfortunately, includes some Mongolians.
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They have been building it for 5 years now. http://www.pcworld.com/article/2088040/ ... ology.htmlA_Gupta wrote:^^^ The question is was Intel going to build that plant in Arizona anyway?
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you guys...with your "facts"
. They have no place here. It is about feelings and beliefs. Trump feels it is because of Trump and people have to believe that. End of story.

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http://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-fores ... sults.htmlkomal wrote:Humiliation of the USA continues. Corporate executives showing obsequiness. And President taking credit for 3,000 jobs.Singha wrote:intel ceo has gone to WH and announced a $7b arizona chip plant.
They have laid off lots of people in US and moved most of the projects to India.
Nothings gona stop it

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Acche din for people already living here.
All these years the US was taking care of foreign nationals before taking care of its own people. That needs to change and more balance is needed, not just enriching the top honchos of US companies who are rolling in billions while salaries for others are stagnant or rising very slowly. Not everyone works in Silly Valley and part of some hot IPO.
H1B visa is actually not much of the problem. It is low quality L1 visas who flood the US and have killed the entry level market which needs to be curbed.
Visa move: threat to IT industry
All these years the US was taking care of foreign nationals before taking care of its own people. That needs to change and more balance is needed, not just enriching the top honchos of US companies who are rolling in billions while salaries for others are stagnant or rising very slowly. Not everyone works in Silly Valley and part of some hot IPO.
H1B visa is actually not much of the problem. It is low quality L1 visas who flood the US and have killed the entry level market which needs to be curbed.
Visa move: threat to IT industry
I can feel the difference already. Getting calls from these West Coast companies without me having applied. My wife is getting calls from TCS/Wipro who want to hire here now.The rising headwinds in the US against outsourcing of jobs to foreign nationals have posed a serious threat to India’s Information Technology (IT) industry. Major Indian IT companies which have much of their business in the US have to grapple with the problem in the coming months. Outsourcing has figured negatively in the US political campaigns for many years. But a combination of executive actions and legislative moves after the new Trump administration took over last month has made the threat real and immediate. The likely changes in the H1B non-immigrant visa programme, on which the outsourcing work is based, would make Indian IT companies’ business in the US extremely difficult or unviable. A proposed executive order of the administration and two bills introduced in Congress with bipartisan support have many provisions to tighten the conditions for grant of skilled visas.
The minimum salary of H1B visa holders is proposed to be more than doubled to $130,000. This will make the visas costly for companies and outsourcing will no longer be cheap. The Obama administration had granted an extension of stay for foreign graduates. This may be reversed. This will make it difficult for students to continue to live and work in the US after completion of their studies. The L1 visa programme which facilitates intra-company transfer of visa holders will be strictly monitored. There is also a proposal to replace the existing lottery system of visas with one based on petitions for jobs that pay the highest salaries. All this can seriously affect the business activities and opportunities of Indian companies. Since 70% of H1B visas go to Indians and about 65% of Indian IT companies’ business is from the US, the impact of the steps on the companies will be severe. American companies, especially technology majors like Microsoft and Google, will also be affected. The American economy too will suffer because jobs will become expensive, and many Americans may not be available or willing to do the work which would otherwise be outsourced. The protectionist administration may not admit it now but may realise it sooner or later.
India’s IT industry should take it as a challenge. It should have done de-risking through geographical diversification during the high-growth period itself. The companies should also think of changing their business models and adopt innovative strategies to stay in business and make themselves relevant in the emerging adverse environment. They can hire more local workers in the US or bring more work offshore to India. They may also have to shift from legacy IT work to high-value areas which they have neglected till now.
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Oh Yes. All this done to the personal efforts of the President.UlanBatori wrote:Yup! How DARE they do something positive! At $100K spent/earned per job by the community, this is a piddling $300M per year. Pah!komal wrote: Humiliation of the USA continues. Corporate executives showing obsequiness. And President taking credit for 3,000 jobs.
I don't think even Congress shows such obsequiousness towards Rahul.
I remember visiting my ancestral village in India back in the 1970s and the saw farmers thanking some Minister for the rains that spelled a drought. We are all those farmers now.
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Companies have, in a three weeks, how to game the system. Have a photo op at some local plant in a Christian Welfare state (mainly the old Confederacy) with the President proclaiming the 500 jobs for white people. And then, in reality, move tens of thousands of jobs completely off shore (no need for even H1 types).siddhu wrote:http://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-fores ... sults.htmlkomal wrote:
Humiliation of the USA continues. Corporate executives showing obsequiness. And President taking credit for 3,000 jobs.
They have laid off lots of people in US and moved most of the projects to India.
Nothings gona stop it
I suspect by next year, the government will stop publishing the unemployment rate.
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Trump has a very small agenda. On the top are:
1. Jobs
2. Immigrations
3. Trade deals
If he effs up on that, people will turn against him. So even if he messes up on that and has nothing to show, he will get thrown out.
So exercise caution before saying "nothing will happen onlee". Trump isn't Ombaba, he is a maverick. He does not follow convention. US may or may not hurt, but he will make visible changes for H1B and L1 visas. If he does not, he will be out and his base will revile him. He isn't that stupid.
1. Jobs
2. Immigrations
3. Trade deals
If he effs up on that, people will turn against him. So even if he messes up on that and has nothing to show, he will get thrown out.
So exercise caution before saying "nothing will happen onlee". Trump isn't Ombaba, he is a maverick. He does not follow convention. US may or may not hurt, but he will make visible changes for H1B and L1 visas. If he does not, he will be out and his base will revile him. He isn't that stupid.
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Not if he can direct that blame on other things and create fear and ride on that. He can do nothing constructive and still get re-elected.KJo wrote: If he effs up on that, people will turn against him. So even if he messes up on that and has nothing to show, he will get thrown out.
"facts" don't matter no more. Even self proclaimed POS type people fall for such spin as "trump brought jobs".
"facts" on carrier is - more jobs shipped out than stayed and even the ones that stayed were at a high price. Take a poll and you will see people believe trump did some amazing thing there and it is just "liberal hatred" of him to deny him credit.
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You can fool some of the people all of the time. And if they are located in such states that gives you control of the Electoral College -- that is all you need.Gus wrote:Not if he can direct that blame on other things and create fear and ride on that. He can do nothing constructive and still get re-elected.KJo wrote: If he effs up on that, people will turn against him. So even if he messes up on that and has nothing to show, he will get thrown out.
"facts" don't matter no more. Even self proclaimed POS type people fall for such spin as "trump brought jobs".
"facts" on carrier is - more jobs shipped out than stayed and even the ones that stayed were at a high price. Take a poll and you will see people believe trump did some amazing thing there and it is just "liberal hatred" of him to deny him credit.
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Intel has been in trouble for some time now because their chips are not efficient for mobile devices and PC business is not really a growth market anymore. Apple will soon start manufacturing their own line of processors for their macbooks at which time Intel will be in a rough spot. Intel is in this deal for tax sops. It does not make sense to create fabrication plant in a shrinking market, which is very expensive. AMD did the same mistake by opening a fabrication plant in Europe which boomeranged on them.
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This is correct and if DT does not create jobs and wealth, he'll be gone and forgotten like a typical American forgets about their ex-spouse. This will be true in the Midwest states where it will make or break the election in 2020. Until then I watch as financial markets in the US having been responding positively to the Trumpanzee.KJo wrote:Trump has a very small agenda. On the top are:
1. Jobs
2. Immigrations
3. Trade deals
If he effs up on that, people will turn against him. So even if he messes up on that and has nothing to show, he will get thrown out.
So exercise caution before saying "nothing will happen onlee". Trump isn't Ombaba, he is a maverick. He does not follow convention. US may or may not hurt, but he will make visible changes for H1B and L1 visas. If he does not, he will be out and his base will revile him. He isn't that stupid.
Other red states only care for:
1. Repeal of Obamacare even if it hurts some people.
2. Control of Supreme Court to repeal Roe V. Wade and DOMA.
3. Kick out the non whites and send blacks back to the plantation.
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We get it... everyone else is low quality ... Can you explain in off topic or elsewhere how L1 has killed entry level market?KJo wrote:...
H1B visa is actually not much of the problem. It is low quality L1 visas who flood the US and have killed the entry level market which needs to be curbed.
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Equity markets may be responding positively -- but the far more important debt markets seem less than thrilled with what is happening. Interest rates are up over 100 basis points and mortgage markets continue to be in free fall.Mort Walker wrote:This is correct and if DT does not create jobs and wealth, he'll be gone and forgotten like a typical American forgets about their ex-spouse. This will be true in the Midwest states where it will make or break the election in 2020. Until then I watch as financial markets in the US having been responding positively to the Trumpanzee.KJo wrote:Trump has a very small agenda. On the top are:
1. Jobs
2. Immigrations
3. Trade deals
If he effs up on that, people will turn against him. So even if he messes up on that and has nothing to show, he will get thrown out.
So exercise caution before saying "nothing will happen onlee". Trump isn't Ombaba, he is a maverick. He does not follow convention. US may or may not hurt, but he will make visible changes for H1B and L1 visas. If he does not, he will be out and his base will revile him. He isn't that stupid.
Other red states only care for:
1. Repeal of Obamacare even if it hurts some people.
2. Control of Supreme Court to repeal Roe V. Wade and DOMA.
3. Kick out the non whites and send blacks back to the plantation.
Also, Red States only care that non-white immigrants are send back and blacks return to their pre Emanicpation Proclamation status. Wait until DJT finds out EP was an Executive Order (later affirmed by a Constitutional Amendment). He will issue an order calling for an examination of the EP.
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KJo wrote:Acche din for people already living here.
All these years the US was taking care of foreign nationals before taking care of its own people. That needs to change and more balance is needed, not just enriching the top honchos of US companies who are rolling in billions while salaries for others are stagnant or rising very slowly. Not everyone works in Silly Valley and part of some hot IPO.
H1B visa is actually not much of the problem. It is low quality L1 visas who flood the US and have killed the entry level market which needs to be curbed.
Visa move: threat to IT industry
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In fact usa does not
Reason usa wants immigration is because of necessity nothing else. They need skilled people which is expensive in usa due to damaging family structure.(one should read about economic mobility, loosening of family structure, loss of church influence, feminism , self over others rights etc and many other factors)
usa like any other country want everything done by its own citizens but due to lack of skills had to import from other countries.
In fact is it cheaper to import (or rather steal as others say) from other countries.
Poorer countries cannot fight this with usa or Europe due to asymmetry of power.
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usa economy is strong enough to attract talent from other countries (including and better than Europe the nearest competitor).
Usa has one of the strongest visas relative to other countries along with restrictions. It wants to dominate the world by attracting talented people . it offers many types of visas to attract any talented person except unskilled ones.
this helps itself and reduces the talent in other countries.
Other poor countries spend enormous sums of money to skill their citizens who end up migrating to usa . (huge bonanza to America for free) similar skills in America for americans costs upwards of $200K minimum.
upto 25%of families are in debt. they have 15 credit cards on average.
Usa does nothing except offer visa for money for those who have skills.All have to be paid by immigrant . lot of stuff pocketed by usa in return for having money(huge boon to immigrant form their own countries). IOW usa skims of part of money earned by immigrant but still huge ++ for immigrant.
Labour laws are in place to make sure immigrant does not reduce local americans in work jobs.
when labour work force shows increased skilled americans , automatically the visas will close.
There is nothing sacrosanct about usa doing more for immigrants. this is a misnomer.
It is doing everything for itself.
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WashPost:
Federal appeals court upholds freeze on Trump’s immigration order
A panel with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit decided unanimously to continue halting enforcement of President Trump’s immigration ban. That means refugees and others from seven Muslim-majority countries who had previously been blocked can continue to enter the United States. The Justice Department can ask the Supreme Court to intervene, but it would take the votes of five justices to overturn the appeals court decision.
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The court order is a strange one. How can they apply the US Constitution for non-citizens? Now there is no 9th judge in US SC. Now they are required to appoint a new Judge first, and there will be a hell of the fight to nominate him. Once that is done then there will be pro-GOP ideas judgements from the US SC. While I am not sure about US Law, it is very strange that US courts are expanding the law to apply to non-US citizens.
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The fun thing is to watch people gokrisna wrote:KJo wrote:Acche din for people already living here.
All these years the US was taking care of foreign nationals before taking care of its own people. That needs to change and more balance is needed, not just enriching the top honchos of US companies who are rolling in billions while salaries for others are stagnant or rising very slowly. Not everyone works in Silly Valley and part of some hot IPO.
H1B visa is actually not much of the problem. It is low quality L1 visas who flood the US and have killed the entry level market which needs to be curbed.
Visa move: threat to IT industry
for bolded statement.
In fact usa does not
Reason usa wants immigration is because of necessity nothing else. They need skilled people which is expensive in usa due to damaging family structure.(one should read about economic mobility, loosening of family structure, loss of church influence, feminism , self over others rights etc and many other factors)
usa like any other country want everything done by its own citizens but due to lack of skills had to import from other countries.
In fact is it cheaper to import (or rather steal as others say) from other countries.
Poorer countries cannot fight this with usa or Europe due to asymmetry of power.
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usa economy is strong enough to attract talent from other countries (including and better than Europe the nearest competitor).
Usa has one of the strongest visas relative to other countries along with restrictions. It wants to dominate the world by attracting talented people . it offers many types of visas to attract any talented person except unskilled ones.
this helps itself and reduces the talent in other countries.
Other poor countries spend enormous sums of money to skill their citizens who end up migrating to usa . (huge bonanza to America for free) similar skills in America for americans costs upwards of $200K minimum.
upto 25%of families are in debt. they have 15 credit cards on average.
Usa does nothing except offer visa for money for those who have skills.All have to be paid by immigrant . lot of stuff pocketed by usa in return for having money(huge boon to immigrant form their own countries). IOW usa skims of part of money earned by immigrant but still huge ++ for immigrant.
Labour laws are in place to make sure immigrant does not reduce local americans in work jobs.
when labour work force shows increased skilled americans , automatically the visas will close.
There is nothing sacrosanct about usa doing more for immigrants. this is a misnomer.
It is doing everything for itself.

All the activity happening on desi boards frequented by L1s is proof of that.
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Prior to January 2017, USA treated non-citizens equally, e.g, a brown person on a student visa could sue in federal district court for violation of civil rights for police brutality or file a writ of habpeus corpus for release after wrongful arrest.Yagnasri wrote:The court order is a strange one. How can they apply the US Constitution for non-citizens? Now there is no 9th judge in US SC. Now they are required to appoint a new Judge first, and there will be a hell of the fight to nominate him. Once that is done then there will be pro-GOP ideas judgements from the US SC. While I am not sure about US Law, it is very strange that US courts are expanding the law to apply to non-US citizens.
By June it should be clear, that only those of European descent (and of the Christian faith) have any rights under the U. S. Constitution. That is how the USA was pre-1965. The most recent election has given the GOP their long sought wish to return to those thrilling days of yesteryear.
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But a non-citizens right to enter the country is not something that the US constitution or any other nation constitution can give. I mean the executive shall decide on the immigration policies and their decision shall be absolute. People here may not like it. But it is the same mess of Judges ruling the nations we complain all the time in India. It seems we have one in the US. Great luck when they rule that you can not light lamps on a Deepavali due to the risk involved.
If the executive in the US thinks in a way which you feel racist go on and change it in the next elections. But to allow the Judges to jump in the executive domine is a slippery slope and people who are clapping now will regret it sooner than later.
If the executive in the US thinks in a way which you feel racist go on and change it in the next elections. But to allow the Judges to jump in the executive domine is a slippery slope and people who are clapping now will regret it sooner than later.
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Visa revocation/issuance has to follow the laws of the USA. The judges simply ruled that the executive order is in contravention of USA law. If the USA wants to pass a law that says only white Christians of European descent are allowed, Trump needs to follow current USA law to allow that or change the law.Yagnasri wrote:But a non-citizens right to enter the country is not something that the US constitution or any other nation constitution can give. I mean the executive shall decide on the immigration policies and their decision shall be absolute. People here may not like it. But it is the same mess of Judges ruling the nations we complain all the time in India. It seems we have one in the US. Great luck when they rule that you can not light lamps on a Deepavali due to the risk involved.
If the executive in the US thinks in a way which you feel racist go on and change it in the next elections. But to allow the Judges to jump in the executive domine is a slippery slope and people who are clapping now will regret it sooner than later.
USA law does not recognize the right of the winner of election to unilaterally change all laws through executive order. Judges, in the USA, have equal standing to the President.
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What law did executive order violate barring judges interpretation? Immigration is under executive branch. Residents who stayed in the US can have some rights (which may be a few cases) and lower court came from that angle and stayed whole order expanding to non-citizens and non-residents who don't have such rights.komal wrote:Visa revocation/issuance has to follow the laws of the USA. The judges simply ruled that the executive order is in contravention of USA law. If the USA wants to pass a law that says only white Christians of European descent are allowed, Trump needs to follow current USA law to allow that or change the law.Yagnasri wrote:But a non-citizens right to enter the country is not something that the US constitution or any other nation constitution can give. I mean the executive shall decide on the immigration policies and their decision shall be absolute. People here may not like it. But it is the same mess of Judges ruling the nations we complain all the time in India. It seems we have one in the US. Great luck when they rule that you can not light lamps on a Deepavali due to the risk involved.
If the executive in the US thinks in a way which you feel racist go on and change it in the next elections. But to allow the Judges to jump in the executive domine is a slippery slope and people who are clapping now will regret it sooner than later.
USA law does not recognize the right of the winner of election to unilaterally change all laws through executive order. Judges, in the USA, have equal standing to the President.
If they issue new order/rewrite the order excluding people with those rights whole Judiciary comments are mute. Overall it is Judicial activism stepping into the executive branch power. If supreme court looks at constitutional rights, they can junk the courts' stay. But judiciary also became political branch competing with the other two.
I'm glad Trump appointed originalist judge for Supreme court. Originalist argument would clearly be judiciary is overstepping its authority.
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The executive order did not mention religion and neither did anyone in the administration. The problem is the ban included those on green card and current valid visa. Had the administration first revoked the visas of those people already here and rescinded their green card, then the ban would have been valid. And prohibited granting of any new visa. It was not well thought out primarily because it went in before TRex and Sessions could get their teams input.
This ban can still go into effect by changing the rules for granting visas and green cards from given countries.
This ban can still go into effect by changing the rules for granting visas and green cards from given countries.
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I know this hard to believe, but the POTUS cannot unilaterally revoke visas and green cards. He has to follow the law.Mort Walker wrote:The executive order did not mention religion and neither did anyone in the administration. The problem is the ban included those on green card and current valid visa. Had the administration first revoked the visas of those people already here and rescinded their green card, then the ban would have been valid. It was not well thought out primarily because it went in before TRex and Sessions could get their teams input.
And, of course, the whole thing was all about terror. The POTUS had the foresight and cajones to exlcude peace loving nations that are the victims of terrorism, such as Pakistan, from the list.
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The U S Constitution in certain cases, especially with respect to due process and equal protection, applies to 'persons' not necessarily Citizens. BTW even the Indian Constitution too has certain Articles applying to non-citizens as well, IIRC.Yagnasri wrote:The court order is a strange one. How can they apply the US Constitution for non-citizens? Now there is no 9th judge in US SC. Now they are required to appoint a new Judge first, and there will be a hell of the fight to nominate him. Once that is done then there will be pro-GOP ideas judgements from the US SC. While I am not sure about US Law, it is very strange that US courts are expanding the law to apply to non-US citizens.
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Do let us know kjo when you get the fat hike you are salivating over..once the bulk oc h1l1 are fired or leave on own.
Its puzzling why you with 20 yrs exp is so caught up in h1l1 and its impact on entry level salary....most of these ppl have 2 to 4 yrs exp
Where does the acche din for you figure here? If they get replaced by more expensive localites 100% the money is going to come from a cut in mid level and senior salary who are gc or citizens all ... the acche din you are crowing about could easily be bure din personally. The big cxo types will keep their payouts in place and hit the next level ie folks like you to keep margins intact and please investors.
Raise no more demons than you can lay down...think through what a 30% rise in junior salary across the itvity board means for you as a mid career senior
Its puzzling why you with 20 yrs exp is so caught up in h1l1 and its impact on entry level salary....most of these ppl have 2 to 4 yrs exp
Where does the acche din for you figure here? If they get replaced by more expensive localites 100% the money is going to come from a cut in mid level and senior salary who are gc or citizens all ... the acche din you are crowing about could easily be bure din personally. The big cxo types will keep their payouts in place and hit the next level ie folks like you to keep margins intact and please investors.
Raise no more demons than you can lay down...think through what a 30% rise in junior salary across the itvity board means for you as a mid career senior
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As I said before this decision was expected and now it will go to the Supreme Court. By then if no ninth judge the decision will stand. Or if the Ninth judge is appointed (he appears to be made in Scalia's mould) it will depend on Kennedy.
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Strange thing about this order is it was so poorly drafted and even more poorly enforced. No one seemed to know what the hell the order is about. Not even the justice department was consulted. Just ego, I guess.
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>> No one seemed to know what the hell the order is about
which order? the easement of the deportation rules? the BCIS is only just getting warmed up to the task now the days of catch and release after 25km of the border are over probably. even discredited boo boos like joe arpaio might stage a comeback or his chelas.
which order? the easement of the deportation rules? the BCIS is only just getting warmed up to the task now the days of catch and release after 25km of the border are over probably. even discredited boo boos like joe arpaio might stage a comeback or his chelas.
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No argument about TSP or Saudi Barbaria. That is the biggest double standard.komal wrote:I know this hard to believe, but the POTUS cannot unilaterally revoke visas and green cards. He has to follow the law.Mort Walker wrote:The executive order did not mention religion and neither did anyone in the administration. The problem is the ban included those on green card and current valid visa. Had the administration first revoked the visas of those people already here and rescinded their green card, then the ban would have been valid. It was not well thought out primarily because it went in before TRex and Sessions could get their teams input.
And, of course, the whole thing was all about terror. The POTUS had the foresight and cajones to exlcude peace loving nations that are the victims of terrorism, such as Pakistan, from the list.
The executive branch can change the expiration of visas by notice and tell applicants to reapply. Then simply not renew. In effect revocation. Green card is hard to do, but the FBI can send notices about terrorist individuals to local police and ask them to "aggressively" enforce local laws. A precedent is set for deportation. Even naturalized citizens can have their US citizenship stripped.
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Presidential powers include banning immigrants (PR) and non-immigrants (other visas). Resident rights is tricky issue however on which they should provide more clarifications and exceptions as it provides rope to judiciary to butt in as happened now.Mort Walker wrote:The executive order did not mention religion and neither did anyone in the administration. The problem is the ban included those on green card and current valid visa. Had the administration first revoked the visas of those people already here and rescinded their green card, then the ban would have been valid. And prohibited granting of any new visa. It was not well thought out primarily because it went in before TRex and Sessions could get their teams input.
This ban can still go into effect by changing the rules for granting visas and green cards from given countries.
There are a lot of private orders and procedural orders that can be given from the president's admin that can restrict more than the executive order. Those will be tough for people to go through as each individual needs to go court on individual basis for any rights violations.
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Agree that green cards can be revoked and the citizenship can be stripped. But these actions have to follow the course of law. And the person has the right to stay the action while appealing through the courts. The President does not have the unilateral right to do either via Executive Order.Mort Walker wrote:No argument about TSP or Saudi Barbaria. That is the biggest double standard.komal wrote:
I know this hard to believe, but the POTUS cannot unilaterally revoke visas and green cards. He has to follow the law.
And, of course, the whole thing was all about terror. The POTUS had the foresight and cajones to exlcude peace loving nations that are the victims of terrorism, such as Pakistan, from the list.
The executive branch can change the expiration of visas by notice and tell applicants to reapply. Then simply not renew. In effect revocation. Green card is hard to do, but the FBI can send notices about terrorist individuals to local police and ask them to "aggressively" enforce local laws. A precedent is set for deportation. Even naturalized citizens can have their US citizenship stripped.
While he poses as a tough guy against terrorism to his Christian base, the laughter in Riyadh and Islamabad continues. One can only hope that both probably did not send a few additional terrorists into the USA for yucks. I fear his actions will embolden the ISI --
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
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Trump affirms One China policy!
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China, I suspect, may be a major beneficiary of Trump administration.Along with China the sunni middle east is another major beneficiary.
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It seems that Lizardees have contacted Ivanka and her Hus and arranged some party etc for them. Her kid singing song and Lizard tongue also in that party. Now One China Zindabad. DT is a bit crazy and seems to be impulsive one. At least by his SM Postings. Other than that there is nothing new with a GOP cabinet except this one will be more ideologically driven.