Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 14 Feb 2010 13:45

pgbhat wrote:why would'nt they? otherwise terrorists win. We need to overcome terrorism and have candid discussions and resolve all outstanding issues peacefully and amicably. We should not allow terror take peace between India and Pakistan as hostage.

The people of Sauth Asia want peace. Indians love Pakistani music and Pakistani cuisine. And there is a gradual realization in India that Pakistan's IT prowess is admirable so cooperation is good for Sauth Asia. India of course has the largest number of poor in Sauth Asia, and Pakistan too has a small share of poor.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 14 Feb 2010 14:12

Sauth Asia?

Are you being Sarcastic?

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 14 Feb 2010 14:15

Gagan wrote:Sauth Asia?

Are you being Sarcastic?

Well how does the whole post look like?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Feb 2010 14:35

From Chidambaram's remarks

He maintained that the "hard targets" like the Osho Ashram and the Jewish Chabad House located near the bakery had been surveyed by U.S. Lashker-e-Taiba suspect David Headley during his visit to India and the area was "in the radar" of security agencies for some time.

"But apart from hard targets, there are soft targets... All these (the German bakery where the blast took place yesterday and an Italian restaurant nearby) are soft targets where foreigners and Indians congregate especially during the peak hours," he told reporters here after visiting local hospitals to meet the injured in the terror attack.

Unless these soft targets also adopt strict security measures, it would be difficult to detect things, he said. {India will become a security state.}

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 14 Feb 2010 14:46

Hopefully, he means that it will become a police state on par with the USA. There has to be manifold increase in the number of police personnel and prisoners alongwith corresponding improvement in investigative procedures to meet the challenge. And gun control will have to be relaxed to allow people to defend themselves.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Feb 2010 16:35

SM Krishna on Pune terror

Expressing India’s resolve to counter terrorism, External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna said the people were “well aware of the dark forces of terrorism are against the peace and amity between nations”. In a statement from Chennai, the Minister said, “It is most tragic and unfortunate that they have struck yet again leading to a loss of innocent lives. We will resist the forces of terrorism with firmness and determination.” {Somebody needs to ask them what GoI has done in 25 years to resist the forces of terrorism.}

“I am not going to talk about the talks right now. Let us wait for the report (of the investigative agencies) first,” Mr. Krishna told reporters here when asked whether the Pune blast would have any impact on the dialogue. “They (terrorists) want to create fear and suspicion,” Mr. Krishna said, adding, “they sow seeds of distress to create confusion and we will not be cowed down by the terror”.

“By this evening, we will be in a position to get the report. Once the report is available, the government will evaluate the whole situation and then we will do deep monitoring."

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Feb 2010 17:13

Zardari is the gravest danger to democracy: Nawaz

Pakistan Muslim League (PML-N) will not allow the government to move scot-free, the party chief Mian Nawaz Sharif warned terming President Asif Ali Zardari as the biggest danger to the democracy, Geo News reported Sunday.

Addressing the packed hall of journalists after the party’s meeting, he said it seemed that the government does not accept the restored judiciary.

The democracy never before faced such a great threat as now in the form of President Zardari, who has become the gravest danger to democracy, he said.

The PML-N condemns the incident that occurred yesterday, as the event plunged the country in the uncertainty and the President House outgrew its limits, Sharif told.

He said yesterday’s incident was an action re-play of November 3, 2007, adding the government is targeting the judiciary to safeguard its corruption in preference for their corruption to the respect for the judiciary.

The Army should have the role stipulated in the Constitution, he said.

Nawaz said the PML-N wants to make it abundantly clear to the government in unequivocal terms that it would not be allowed to go its way on judges’ appointments nor would it be spared the chance for corruption. {See who is talking about judiciary}

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 14 Feb 2010 17:32

I did not notice this before but notice how this guy's guitar has the colors of the TSP flag! It looks like the TSP flag has been painted on it.

Btw, this is a screenshot from the "Phir Mile Sur" song which aired on Jan 26th, any coincidence with Aman ki Badmasha or is there deeper bakasura appeasement at work?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 14 Feb 2010 17:45

I don't think one should see this deep and derive meanings.

This new mile sur mera tumhara ad sucks big time. But I won't tend to see any combination of white and green as representing Pakistan.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 14 Feb 2010 17:45

Steps that India has taken and needs to take:
1. India's possession of a military that can completely overwhelm Pakistan's military and its war fighting ability is the main reason why Pakistan no longer contemplates all out military misadventure. Similarly wrt china, possession of a military that will frustrate any Chinese attempt to use military power to turn it into a defeat or a stalemate will serve as a deterrent to china in the use of military power.

2. Nuclear weapons: The possession of Nuclear weapons and the ability to put to an end the chapter of Pakistan, deters it from using Nuclear weapons overtly or by covert means against India. WRT china, because of the mutual NFU of the two nations, a sort of a balance exists. China however has sought to overcome that balance by arming Pakistan with nuclear weapons and with a policy of first use to serve as a proxy. There is also a possibility that china may contemplate tactical nuclear weapon use against Indian forces in the event of a war.

3. Terrorism:
The only way to deter support of terrorism is to respond in kind or to build a constituency in the challenger nations to be able to respond in kind. Both in China and Pakistan's cases, India will have to create such constituencies to wean off and then deter the use of terrorism by these two. China reportedly supports the armed naxalite movement and the NE terror groups within India. Indian realpolitik must therefore build a constituency within china (and I don't mean the Tibetans) pertains to religious and pro-democracy movements to encourage China to stop its policy of militarily supporting the Naxals and the NE terror groups.
On Pakistan, a more active Indian hand must be unleashed. All elements to wage a successful 'anti-terrorism' campaign are present within Pakistan, which must now be directed at the policymakers of Pakistan's terrorism policy.

Unless there is sufficient disincentive to the Chinese and the Pakistanis to stop using terrorism against India, this menace will not stop. I think GoI has been lackadaisical in its approach to realpolitik in this regard. While I fully support peace measures with Pakistan, and the thinking that brings about India's desire to keep the channels of communication open, and the thought process behind giving concessions to Pakistani civilian leaders, India will not achieve its goals of lasting peace until a parallel move to subvert the terrorism constituency within both china and pakistan is made.

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 14 Feb 2010 17:57

mandrake wrote:
Gagan wrote:After having read 20 odd pages of this thread and some excellent analysis by Rangudu, CRamS, SSridhar, harbans, amit et.al.

And after reading 20 pages myself...I think that attacking paakhana land is desirable, but not probable. Why are we not openly supporting Baloch freedom as a state policy.
The next fissures in thunderbox (17th century word for toilet) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbox land will be either in pashtunistan or balochistan.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 14 Feb 2010 18:00

Treat Pakistan at par with India, Gilani tells EU

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 14 Feb 2010 18:20

On a slightly different note:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiXe1x7oMqI

rajpa · Post by **rajpa** » 14 Feb 2010 18:44

the news is that indo-pak talks are on track - will happen on schedule...

i think if we cannot see tsp eye-to-eye and tell them they are screwed up - we cannot seriously be pondering the military angle as well..

the talks can be a good sign if we can seize the initiative.

we should in fact de-link terrorism from "the kashmir issue" and talk and resolve these issues separately.

goi should make the statement that tsp's continuing to link these issues will be seen as a sign of their gobermund negotiating on behalf of the JuD terrorists and should clearly state that this is unacceptable, shameful and will invite global reprimand apart from inviting indian military response.

The JuD have openly declared that they will attack delhi, pune and have done that too.. they are clearly terrorists and have nothing to do with the kashmir issue and are using it as a fig leaf to cover their terrorist intentions.

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 14 Feb 2010 18:46

Gagan wrote:On a slightly different note:

As a request, when BRFites post videos, if they could also post the URL. Many times the videos wont open, but the URL works fine.

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 14 Feb 2010 18:57

Friends, this is whom we are up against, what chance do we have, if any.
http://e.thenews.com.pk/details.asp?id=224109

This was my first interaction with the soldier who commands the seventh largest military force on the face of the planet. He wears a Hilal-e-Imtiaz and a Nishan-e-Imtiaz on his chest. We were with him for three hours during which he shared with us seven dozen slides. I can tell you that when he plans, he plans with SWOT in mind - strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats. I can tell you that when he defines a phenomenon he defines with STEER in mind - socio-cultural, technological, economic, ecological and regulatory factors. I can tell you when he thinks he thinks with EPISTEL in mind - environment, political, informatic, social, technological, economic and legal.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 14 Feb 2010 18:58

Guddu, I've added a url to that video.

There is more from this lady: She kicks Jahil Hamid's butt.
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jvgOAyr ... re=related

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HsPkmET ... re=related

Is this Farhat Taj?

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 14 Feb 2010 19:03

Guddu wrote:Friends, this is whom we are up against, what chance do we have, if any.
http://e.thenews.com.pk/details.asp?id=224109

This was my first interaction with the soldier who commands the seventh largest military force on the face of the planet. He wears a Hilal-e-Imtiaz and a Nishan-e-Imtiaz on his chest. We were with him for three hours during which he shared with us seven dozen slides. I can tell you that when he plans, he plans with SWOT in mind - strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats. I can tell you that when he defines a phenomenon he defines with STEER in mind - socio-cultural, technological, economic, ecological and regulatory factors. I can tell you when he thinks he thinks with EPISTEL in mind - environment, political, informatic, social, technological, economic and legal.

what is this author, in II standard?

rajpa · Post by **rajpa** » 14 Feb 2010 19:03

Guddu wrote:Friends, this is whom we are up against, what chance do we have, if any.
http://e.thenews.com.pk/details.asp?id=224109

This was my first interaction with the soldier who commands the seventh largest military force on the face of the planet. He wears a Hilal-e-Imtiaz and a Nishan-e-Imtiaz on his chest. We were with him for three hours during which he shared with us seven dozen slides. I can tell you that when he plans, he plans with SWOT in mind - strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats. I can tell you that when he defines a phenomenon he defines with STEER in mind - socio-cultural, technological, economic, ecological and regulatory factors. I can tell you when he thinks he thinks with EPISTEL in mind - environment, political, informatic, social, technological, economic and legal.

I can tell you when he acts, he does with GUBO in mind - grease up and bend over, using his strategic depth.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 14 Feb 2010 19:05

Gerard wrote:Treat Pakistan at par with India, Gilani tells EU

From that article :

The Prime Minister emphasised that the European Union must realise that its relations with Pakistan are to be developed on a stand-alone basis and not for the reasons of Pakistan's contiguity with Afghanistan.

But the EU's relations with Pakistan are to be developed for reasons of Pakistan's contiguity with India?????

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 14 Feb 2010 19:07

shiv wrote:
pgbhat wrote:why would'nt they? otherwise terrorists win. We need to overcome terrorism and have candid discussions and resolve all outstanding issues peacefully and amicably. We should not allow terror take peace between India and Pakistan as hostage.
The people of Sauth Asia want peace. Indians love Pakistani music and Pakistani cuisine. And there is a gradual realization in India that Pakistan's IT prowess is admirable so cooperation is good for Sauth Asia. India of course has the largest number of poor in Sauth Asia, and Pakistan too has a small share of poor.

This is the outcome of Hindus having been finally overwhelmed by the thousand years of benevolence and love.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 14 Feb 2010 19:09

shaardula wrote:
Guddu wrote:Friends, this is whom we are up against, what chance do we have, if any.
http://e.thenews.com.pk/details.asp?id=224109

This was my first interaction with the soldier who commands the seventh largest military force on the face of the planet. He wears a Hilal-e-Imtiaz and a Nishan-e-Imtiaz on his chest. We were with him for three hours during which he shared with us seven dozen slides. I can tell you that when he plans, he plans with SWOT in mind - strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats. I can tell you that when he defines a phenomenon he defines with STEER in mind - socio-cultural, technological, economic, ecological and regulatory factors. I can tell you when he thinks he thinks with EPISTEL in mind - environment, political, informatic, social, technological, economic and legal.
what is this author, in II standard?

Valentine's day effect. Love is in the air.

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 14 Feb 2010 19:11

Two missiles from drones "landed on a militant compound in Zor Babar Aidak village near Mirali town", Miranshah, North Waziristan.

"killed five people and wounded three others.” A local government official confirmed the strike, and said the targeted compound was used for training insurgents.

Explosion in Dadu city, South Sindh.

''It was a huge blast, but it mainly destroyed the sweet shop and the rickshaw in front of the shop,'' said Panwar.
The explosion wounded nine people, who were brought along with the three dead to the main hospital in Dadu, said hospital official Rafiq Kolachi.
Police sources said one suspected person was arrested from the site and shifted to unknown place for investigation.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 14 Feb 2010 19:17

rajpa wrote:I can tell you when he acts, he does with GUBO in mind - grease up and bend over, using his strategic depth.

rajpa,
not entire true. He also uses back channel diplomacy.

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 14 Feb 2010 19:18

jasba, junoon ke side effects:

a young man was beaten to death after his father reportedly claimed that he was the last prophet of Islam. The alleged blasphemer — an illiterate brick-kiln worker-turned-faith healer — is in police custody and other members of his family are in hiding. Their lives may still be in danger as reports from the area suggest that public anger has not subsided.

In its attempts to ‘Islamise’ society over the years, especially during the Zia era, the state has come to a point where it is not able to rein in the obscurantist forces of its own creation. It has lost its authority to challenge the semi-literate maulvis who do more harm than good.

Few things have fed such forces more than the blasphemy laws. Since the mid-1980s when these laws were introduced, blasphemy cases have grown exponentially. Many alleged blasphemers have died, mostly at the hands of mobs, much before their case was heard or decided.

These laws have been used as weapons for personal, political, social and economic victimisation. What else can justify the registration of a blasphemy case against the country’s foremost development practitioner Dr Akhtar Hameed Khan?

Akshut · Post by **Akshut** » 14 Feb 2010 19:19

If the motive of the terrorists is to disrupt talks between India and Pakistan, then why talk at all??

Either the notion that terrorists want to break India-Pak talks is totally fallacious. Or, GoI has itch-powder sprayed on it's back to hold talks, when TSP sends its jihadis to attack, who incidentally want to "disrupt" the talks.

rajpa · Post by **rajpa** » 14 Feb 2010 19:32

Gagan wrote:
rajpa wrote:I can tell you when he acts, he does with GUBO in mind - grease up and bend over, using his strategic depth.
rajpa,
not entire true. He also uses back channel diplomacy.

ahem.. back channel diplomacy and strategic depth are closely related in his GUBO strategy.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 14 Feb 2010 20:12

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -cross-810

Pakistan’s erasure of its own muddled history is the subject of Bani Abidi’s witty series of photographs, ‘The Ghost of Mohammad Bin Qasim’. In the nation’s attempt to create an official history, which focuses on Muslims in the subcontinent (rather than Pakistan’s geographical boundaries), the Arab general Bin Qasim (712 AD) was lauded for being the first Muslim to successfully lead a military campaign in India — even though he did little to consolidate his position.

In Abidi’s photographs, a man in Arab dress is shot at different locations in Karachi, including the mausoleum of the nation’s secular founder, Mohammad Ali Jinnah. The man is clearly Photoshopped in, deliberately so: he represents the attempt to graft a false history on to Pakistan, linking it to the Wahhabism of Saudi Arabia.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 14 Feb 2010 20:17

US missile raid 'kills seven' militants in Pakistan

MIRANSHAH, Pakistan — Missiles from a US drone aircraft killed seven Islamist militants at a training compound in Pakistan's lawless northwestern tribal belt on Sunday, officials said.

Two missiles slammed into a building near the main town in North Waziristan, a tribal region rife with Taliban, Al-Qaeda-linked fighters and militants from the Haqqani network, which is known for its attacks in Afghanistan.

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 14 Feb 2010 20:35

A_Gupta wrote:http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -cross-810

Pakistan’s erasure of its own muddled history is the subject of Bani Abidi’s witty series of photographs, ‘The Ghost of Mohammad Bin Qasim’. In the nation’s attempt to create an official history, which focuses on Muslims in the subcontinent (rather than Pakistan’s geographical boundaries), the Arab general Bin Qasim (712 AD) was lauded for being the first Muslim to successfully lead a military campaign in India — even though he did little to consolidate his position.

In Abidi’s photographs, a man in Arab dress is shot at different locations in Karachi, including the mausoleum of the nation’s secular founder, Mohammad Ali Jinnah. The man is clearly Photoshopped in, deliberately so: he represents the attempt to graft a false history on to Pakistan, linking it to the Wahhabism of Saudi Arabia.

Quick google:
The Boy Who Got Tired of Posing, 2006
http://www.baniabidi.com/main.swf

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 14 Feb 2010 20:46

Guddu wrote:Friends, this is whom we are up against, what chance do we have, if any.
http://e.thenews.com.pk/details.asp?id=224109

Valentine's day homo-erotic paen. Doesn't he know this is kufr?

jaladipc · Post by **jaladipc** » 14 Feb 2010 20:47

to MODS,

Should we start a thread on TOI debunking its myths?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 14 Feb 2010 21:56

Shazia Zenab talks about Jahil Hamid, Pakistan's real situation.
Link 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMuOWgksaM0

Link 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN9U79F3 ... re=related

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 14 Feb 2010 21:59

jaladipc wrote:to MODS,

Should we start a thread on TOI debunking its myths?

This is OT but we should definitely have a TOI specific thread where we can expose all the ways they use to undermine India including daily psyops articles against India.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 14 Feb 2010 23:09

'They've distorted my name'

Sure, size matters. But anyone reading a cheeky tale about Pakistan's high commissioner to Canada online these days shouldn't believe an inch of it.

Karkala Joishy · Post by **Karkala Joishy** » 14 Feb 2010 23:24

Gagan wrote:I don't think one should see this deep and derive meanings.

This new mile sur mera tumhara ad sucks big time. But I won't tend to see any combination of white and green as representing Pakistan.

I guess we kids of the 80s have this attachment to the older song, which was truly amazing.
The new song seems to go on and on and just has some Bollywood types. I understand having Bolly greats like Amitabh etc, but why not businessmen like Ambani, Murthy, sportspeople like Tendulkar, Sania, Nehwal etc?

jaladipc · Post by **jaladipc** » 15 Feb 2010 00:11

Dipanker wrote:
jaladipc wrote:to MODS,

Should we start a thread on TOI debunking its myths?
This is OT but we should definitely have a TOI specific thread where we can expose all the ways they use to undermine India including daily psyops articles against India.

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... =24&t=5428

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 15 Feb 2010 00:26

Karkala Joishy wrote:
Gagan wrote:I don't think one should see this deep and derive meanings.

This new mile sur mera tumhara ad sucks big time. But I won't tend to see any combination of white and green as representing Pakistan.
I guess we kids of the 80s have this attachment to the older song, which was truly amazing.
The new song seems to go on and on and just has some Bollywood types. I understand having Bolly greats like Amitabh etc, but why not businessmen like Ambani, Murthy, sportspeople like Tendulkar, Sania, Nehwal etc?

A hilarious take on the new version of the song:
http://sayesha.blogspot.com/2010/02/pla ... -gery.html

archan · Post by **archan** » 15 Feb 2010 02:15

Gagan wrote:On a slightly different note:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiXe1x7oMqI

I haven't seen the other videos yet but one thing struck me in this one. While it is obvious to anyone who follows Pakistan for a while how their culture is and how they treat their women. The statistics they quote for USA is hilarious when in their society a girl reporting rape will either be killed or surely have her life ruined (no one will marry her etc.). And they want people to believe that their society is pious!
Anyway, what I found interesting in this video is that the other woman who was chatting with this mohterma thought that it is not a crime to forcibly have sex with one's wife. It is not a rape, according to her definition, but merely a marriage counseling issue.
Hello?
Sex with anyone without their consent is rape. Period.
You do not own the woman when you marry her and no, you cannot do anything with her against her will. But perhaps, growing up in Pakistan, the lady is yet to get rid of the baggage of male superiority. I have seen Pakistani women defending and even claiming they are proud of perpetually hiding their face in public or hair simply because they think it is their duty. Hmm..

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 15 Feb 2010 02:26

archan wrote: Anyway, what I found interesting in this video is that the other woman who was chatting with this mohterma thought that it is not a crime to forcibly have sex with one's wife. It is not a rape, according to her definition, but merely a marriage counseling issue.
Sex with anyone without their consent is rape. Period.

No, it not rape, just surprise sex.