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rkirankr wrote:
chetak wrote:pakis will soon have a new CNS. 8)

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... celled-490
No Sir, I think he is playing to the script.See the sentence
..an agreement with the Port of Singapore Authority (PSA) for management of facilities and development of infrastructure should be cancelled
This means, I think they are readying for inviting their tallel than mountain and deepel than ocean friend to take over Gwadar
China in focus as Pakistan urged to review port deal
Pakistan should review a deal with a Singaporean company to run a strategic shipping port, the Navy chief said, amid speculation the contract may go to key ally China.
PSA, which runs ports around the world and is owned by state wealth fund Temasek Holdings, declined to comment.
Bashir's comments came on the heels of a media report last week saying the project may be given to China, which provided 80 percent of its initial $248 million development costs.
China is already involved in engineering, mining, nuclear energy and construction projects in the country, and has invested in Pakistan's transport and mobile communication sectors.
If under Chinese control, Gwadar would give Beijing more economic sway in the region and upset Pakistan's traditional enemy, India, which views China's ties with Islamabad with suspicion.
PSA International took over management and operational control of the deep-sea port in February 2007 for 40 years.
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amit wrote:We all know Indian Mujahideen is funded by the Pakis, but this direct correlation? Is this just typical Gora ignorance of the subject matter or something else?
Amit, I posted this three days back in the Internal Security thread.
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Bakis in real takleef. Shri Ombaba is flying over their heads to visit Bharat & Afganistan. Such a severe chot to H&D never happened since jinnah created the moth eaten country for TFTA.

Pakistan nowhere in Obama visit to region

Pakistan nowhere in Obama visit to region

—US President to 'fly' over Pakistan for Kabul :rotfl:

—Diplomats call it Pakistan's failure

—Term it as a bid to lower Pakistan's status to Afghanistan :rotfl:


Salim Bokhari


LAHORE—US President Barack Obama is giving a cold shoulder to Pakistan during a forthcoming visit to India and Kabul despite the fact that Pakistan is a frontline ally in the war on terror.

Mr Obama will undertake a four-day visit to India from November 7 to 10 preparations for which are on. From New Delhi, he will fly straight to Kabul, diplomatic sources confided to The Daily Mail here on Thursday.

However, during his week-long journey to the South Asian region, President Obama has no plans to make even a brief stop-over in Islamabad despite the fact that Pakistan is the oldest ally of the United States and had been declared a Non-NATO ally by the Bush administration.

Talking to The Daily Mail, diplomatic observers have termed this development a 'complete failure' of the Pakistan Foreign Office which has failed to persuade American officials to include Islamabad in President Obama's itinerary. "It is also the failure of the Pakistan Embassy in Washington which is either not aware of Mr Obama's proposed visit to South Asia or has demonstrated a total indifference towards the issue," one of the observers quipped.

The observers say that at a time when Pakistan and Afghanistan are tagged together as Af-Pak, it is a bid to undermine or lower Pakistan's status to Afghanistan. However, the Foreign Office, in one of its routine weekly meetings, has explained that since Pakistan and Afghanistan share borders and both are fighting the war on terror, the term Af-Pak is justified.

One of the observers further observed that the US administration has always believed that Pakistan is a strategically-located state and is fighting the war on terror as a frontline country. The sacrifices offered by the Pakistani armed forces have largely been endorsed by successive senior NATO and US generals. He said questions are being raised in the diplomatic community as to what message the American officials wish to convey to Islamabad by completely ignoring Pakistan during Mr Obama's travel to two South Asian capitals.

President Obama was invited to India by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh during his visit to the United States a few months back. This invitation was responded by President Obama by saying "during his state visit, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh graciously invited me and my family to India this year, and I happily accepted his invitation, and as I confirmed to him when we spoke last week, I am delighted to announce tonight that I plan to visit India in early November".

The US president went on to say "he looked forward to advancing the US-India partnership to experiencing all that India and its people and its incredible ancient culture had to offer".

Has President Obama not conveniently forgotten that Pakistan is the hub of two most ancient civilizations of the world namely Gandhara and Indus Valley?

:evil:
Obama didn't stop here and added "so when it comes to the sphere of our work, building a future of greater prosperity, opportunity and security for our people, there is no doubt I have to go to India. But even more, I am proud to go to India and I look forward to the history that we will make together, progress that will be treasured not just by this generation but by generations to come".

"No one takes any exception to the sentiments expressed by President Obama for his India visitors. But the question is that where have all those slogans gone that were chanted about Pakistan forcing us to own the American battle as ours namely the war on terror?" quipped a retired senior Foreign Office official who declined to be named.

In addition, the official said Mr Obama is visiting India at a time when the entire Held Kashmir is experiencing the worst bloodbath at the hands of Indian soldiers who are ruthlessly killing innocent un-armed Kashmiri youth. Would Obama be in a position to claim himself as a champion of human rights? It is anybody's guess!
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Has President Obama not conveniently forgotten that Pakistan is the hub of two most ancient civilizations of the world namely Gandhara and Indus Valley?
He will definitely visit these areas when these ancient civilizations are reestablished and revered.

My advise to paki lurks. As long as Obama visits any Arap state you should be happy. The entire ummah is one and if Obama visits one part of ummah that means he visited entire ummah.
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I liked this article, about Pashtun tribals coming in to fight to lahore during 65 war!

"Again in 1965, when we were at war with India the qabailis (tribals) came down to Lahore for jihad. When they realised that it would entail getting strafed from the air by Indian fighter jets, they refused to move towards Wagah. :lol: Instead they turned on the shopkeepers of Lahore, taking away their things, eating without paying and generally creating a serious law and order situation. Altaf Gauhar has vividly described such scenes in his book on Ayub Khan. I am myself witness to that episode because I was in Lahore at that time."

http://criticalppp.com/archives/7545
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I send video to fox news....Also to local fox affilliate.
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this could go on kirket dhaaga too, but here is good

Cheaters Come Home
An exhausted-looking Afridi flew in to Karachi with three team-mates while the rest of the squad arrived in Lahore in the early hours, with a phalanx of policemen escorting the players out of both airports.

"It was tough because of the controversies and became very difficult to cope with, because every time we went out of the hotel people passed remarks against us," Afridi said.
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Balocistan Needs More Aid
Pakistan's record floods continue to take a massive toll on rural communities in eastern Balochistan, a remote region already reeling from armed violence.
As floodwaters slowly recede, an estimated 600,000 displaced flood victims are preparing to return to what is left of their homes. "The floods that have devastated lives and livelihoods throughout Pakistan have hit the people in Balochistan especially hard," said Adrian Zimmermann, head of the ICRC sub-delegation in Quetta.
as long as the needs of balochis are not met there will be continued piling up of resentment and more violence to occur.
gwadar and its associated developments might be in trouble unless TSPA with chinese help murders all balochis.
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Has President Obama not conveniently forgotten that Pakistan is the hub of two most ancient civilizations of the world namely Gandhara and Indus Valley?
very telling that the paki says it is a hub of and not home to Gandhara and Indus Valley.
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So TSPians first sell their daughter "Dr. Aafia" to Americans for money and now want her back.
Sellers remorse ?
If she was innocent, then why not to hang Crore commanders first who started this lucrative business of selling terrorists to Khanate.
Why not burn their houses and goat sheds instead of burning star and stripes and KFC.
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A Gupta, How much to create website to host TSPA atrocities? We can find out hosting costs in India and US. Might even get it media status. Say a group of five-ten members volunteering their efforts.
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administrators , please send the video to, farhat taj, she is from FATA, and knows the region well. She can be reached at [email protected].
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Image
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excellent Shravan...did you make it?
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No...It was posted in Pro-TTP Website
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"Again in 1965, when we were at war with India the qabailis (tribals) came down to Lahore for jihad. When they realised that it would entail getting strafed from the air by Indian fighter jets, they refused to move towards Wagah. :lol: Instead they turned on the shopkeepers of Lahore, taking away their things, eating without paying and generally creating a serious law and order situation. Altaf Gauhar has vividly described such scenes in his book on Ayub Khan. I am myself witness to that episode because I was in Lahore at that time."
:rotfl: :rotfl:

Reading this made my day.... TFTA indeed. Hope that more of the Pasthun brothers converge on Pakjab and fulfill all their hidden fantasies..
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Altairji,

1) Wikileaks on Pak is Taliban and Vice Versa.
2) Sellig reports Chinese troops in POK.
3) British Tabloid paints Paks black.
4) Now, PA killing innocent kids blindfolded in SWAT.

1,2 being news reports and 3,4 being video leaks.......even if they are calibrated leaks....me thinks India having "a reach" to initiate such leaks is very very moot. So India is no Krishna{Krishna kills Sisupala after he commits 100 mistakes} but it may be a Arjuna to lay down his weapons against poukavas.....but after the gitopadesh...Arjuna unleashed his power of course.

apart from all these talks.......whats making me wonder is the first 3 leaks have gone public and did their bit to Pokis image but 4th hasn't done its bit...probably we should wait.
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Tallel than mountain's deal with worse than the worst does not seem to see the light of the day
China-Pak nuke deal may not get NSG nod given Pak's past: US

Now what about cheena's own track record or is that already burried and forgotten ?
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Few question on the SWAT massacre video.

Does any one know the source of that video. Like why would TSPA record its deed? Unless they want to include it was educational material for training future mujahids or perhaps captains, brigadiers wanted to attach it to their yearly appraisal as exemplary work for the year to get promotions or perks like land or bunglow via fauji quota. Was this done to inflate the figures of terrorist killed in kayanahi's personal powerpoint deck that he carries around the world to beg for defense aid?

Can any one trace who first uploaded the video? Was is from pakhanastan or somewhere else. My guess is there might be an ugly duckling in the flock of TSPA who might have filmed it and then released it to a journalist who did not want to publish it hence posted to youtube for consumption.

What ever the case the video is bone chilling and I would never watch it again. Its so different to see bullets in movie vs bullets in real life. If we can pass it to media and get is played that would really be great.
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Venkarl wrote:Altairji,


me thinks India having "a reach" to initiate such leaks is very very moot. So India is no Krishna{Krishna kills Sisupala after he commits 100 mistakes}

Unfortunately in this kaliyuga we dont have Krishna but we do have SM Krishna who wants to open Cafe Cofee Day in shatru desh instead of fighting them.
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Shravan saar, what's the text in Urdu ?
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Please send the video to [email protected] with a brief description.Thanks.
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Brad, some thoughts

1) looks like from a wearable or otherwise concealed cam.
2) cam guy did not do anything other than watch calmly (not even a shake during the actual zero time) while shifting vantage points in between. He was allowed to do that by the devils, which means he is not there against his will
3) Cam guy must have been to a few of these gory events as the demonic pak army soldiers are ok with him being around and did not even seem to have frisked him. All players seem relaxed, including the poor boys, meaning there was high treachery in the air
4) Does not look like a record keeping effort, as the faces of soldiers are neither covered nor the boys' faces focused on
5) Most probably a double-dealer. A Swat informant or a military man with some authority or even worse, a paramilitary contractor of khan.

Nary a peep from the media allover the world :evil:
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remember the video of the SL soldiers executing the Tamil POW's?
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:rotfl: :rotfl:
http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?694589

Floods in Pak Caused by Siachen Militarisation: EnvoyWashington | Sep 24,


In an unusual remark, Pakistan's Ambassador in Washington Hussain Haqqani has said that one of the reasons for recent devastating floods in his country could be human activity on the heavily-militarised Siachen glacier.

Haqqani told the American lawmakers that snow-melt pattern on the glacier was
changing over the past few years, because of intense military activities and scientists in his country were studying whether this was adding to warming factor leading to bizarre climatic changes.

Besides, the activity on the glacier, Haqqani said other contributing reasons for unprecedented rains in his country could be greenhouse gas emissions.
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THE PESHAWAR DECLARATION:
1.On December 12 and 13, a two days workshop/conference was held in Peshawar with the sole agenda “Terrorism - the ways out”.
2.The workshop was attended by the provincial leadership of Awami National Party (ANP), Pukhtunkhwa Mili Awami Party PMAP, Pakistan Peoples Party Parliamentarians (PPPP), Pakistan Peoples Party Sherpao PPP(S), National Party (NP) and Awami party Pakistan (APP). Civil society organizations under the banner of Amn Tehrik, (Peace Movement) [1] businessmen, doctors, lawyers,teachers, students, laborers and intellectuals also participated in the workshop. Representatives
from all the agencies of FATA, Swat, Malakand and Buner also participated. A significant number of female participants were also present.
3. What madness is this that the terrorist teacher issue the ticket of paradise to his soldier and marry him to a Hoor (beautiful women in paradise) and the soldier confirms the ticket of the paradise by ruthlessly killing innocent humanity including women and children! The obvious madness and in-human thinking behind the rationale of killing fellow human beings including women and children for one’s material and animalistic yearnings (Pure Wines and Beautiful Women) is beyond any comprehension and does not deserve any sympathy or empathy. To defeat this kind of terrorism of our region, it is mandatory to understand its causes and modus operandi, without which cure or elimination will not be possible.
4.What madness is this that the terrorist teacher issue the ticket of paradise to his soldier and marry him to a Hoor (beautiful women in paradise) and the soldier confirms the ticket of the paradise by ruthlessly killing innocent humanity including women and children! The obvious madness and in-human thinking behind the rationale of killing fellow human beings including women and children for one’s material and animalistic yearnings (Pure Wines and Beautiful Women) is beyond any comprehension and does not deserve any sympathy or empathy. To defeat this kind of terrorism of our region, it is mandatory to understand its causes and modus operandi, without which cure or elimination will not be possible.
5.Causes of the Terrorism in our Region:
The current wave of terrorism emanates from two sources i.e. Al-Qaeda and the Strategic Depth policy of Pakistan. Al-Qaeda is a caricature of Arab Expansionism in the disguise of global Islam. Due to the prevalence of Wahabism in the historical hub of Islam, Arabs have dominated the other Muslims. Due to this Al-Qaeda is a specialist of this kind of terrorism including all its ingredient, organizational structure, techniques and strategies.

The second ingredient contributing to this kind of terrorism is the Strategic Depth policy of Pakistan
army. The purpose of this policy is to use Jihadi Culture in order to counter India and protect nuclear weapons: to subjugate Afghanistan and making it fifth province or like Azad Kashmir model. The policy was advanced further in 1995 and was decided to make Central Asian Muslim states as their “clients” states.[3]
The Strategic Depth policy of Pakistan army has a complete background. The ideology of nationhood on the basis of religion served its foundation. Cantonments were labeled with the slogans of Jihad Fi Sabel-e-La (Jihad in the name of Allah). Big crossing and turn- abouts in cities were furnished with tanks, fighter planes and replica of the Chaghai hills to make a war-like environment. Instead of a welfare state Pakistan was made a security state. The Objective Resolution (1949) gave birth to Mullah-Military Alliance. The same resolution was included, in letter and spirit, in the constitution by General Zia ul Haq. As a result of religious background, war-like environment, security state and Mullah-Military-Alliance, the first terrorist organizations in the names of Al-Shams and Al-Badar[4] were launched in Bengal . The defeat in Bengal should have been an eye-opener for the establishment and should have signaled end of the military-Jihadist nexus but unfortunately the same policy was practiced in Kashmir, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Terrorist organizations like Hizbul Mujahideen, Harkatul Mujahideen, Lashkar-e-Tayeeba and Jash-e-Muhamamd were installed in Kashmir. In Paksitan Sibah-e-Sahaba and Lashkar-e-Jhangwi and in FATA Lashkar-e-Islam, Ansar-ul-Islam, Amarbil-Maroof, Tahreek-e-Nifaz-e-Shariat-e-Muhammadi and Tahreek-e-Taliban have been operational.[5].
6.The conference agreed upon the decision that the strategic depth policy is not only the cause of terrorism but also it is an end in itself regarding terrorism. The policy caused thousands times greater harm to Pakistan than any NRO or writing off debts could do. Due to this policy hundreds of thousands people killed or injured. The policy has pushed Pakistan into such abysmal depths that its foundations are eroding. The conference agreed upon the idea that the people of Pakistan would still be resolute to oppose terrorist ideology even if the US, NATO or ISAF are defeated in Afghanistan and the terrorist capture the throne of Kabul. If the terrorists succeeded in Afghanistan their next target would be Pakistan. Therefore, this policy is destructive for Pakistan and should be abolished above board.
7.The conference agreed that Pushtuns in FATA and Northern Pukhtoonkhwa are made hostage by the terrorists.

http://www.thesouthasian.org/archives/2 ... th_fo.html
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chetak wrote::rotfl: :rotfl:
http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?694589
Floods in Pak Caused by Siachen Militarisation: EnvoyWashington | Sep 24,
The weather patterns over Pakistan are changing because of Haseena Atom Bomb!
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ramana wrote:A Gupta, How much to create website to host TSPA atrocities? We can find out hosting costs in India and US. Might even get it media status. Say a group of five-ten members volunteering their efforts.
Ask Shiv to connect you to me.
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If the SL video can be on YT, I don't see why this one can't. We had a BRite help restore:
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Would he mind lending a hand again?
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Brad Goodman wrote:Few question on the SWAT massacre video.
I should have noted the name of the user that posted the video, which I did not. As per youtube the user was based in Germany.
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Dont know if this has been posted before.

Pakistan’s Future: The Bellagio Papers
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A_Gupta wrote:
Brad Goodman wrote:Few question on the SWAT massacre video.
I should have noted the name of the user that posted the video, which I did not. As per youtube the user was based in Germany.

Thanks A_Gupta. That is interesting information though right now we cannot corelate it with the other pieces. The most interesting piece of puzzle is why do perpetarators ever shoot such incidents which would be like smoking gun. Not that this has not happened as some one mentioned about Srilankan massacre we have seen pics from Cambodia, Africa and Bosnia so I just wanted to see if there was any one who had an insight into why people would want to video shoot this.
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^^^ We dont know if the cam guy is a perp or an accessory. Shooting such a video might be for money, life insurance or leverage. Release of the video also must be because of these three.
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my mistake.
Last edited by Nandu on 25 Sep 2010 00:03, edited 1 time in total.
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Did someone send it to Hamid Zahid (Pashto for 'he whose intestinal gas sounds angry').
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Looking in my firefox history, this is the user that posted the swat video on youtube:
Name jessihatimlana

http://www.youtube.com/user/jessihatimlana
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soldiers sometimes take these videos as trophys
there was something very weird about the killings
cold blooded, yet strangely intimate in the beginning
the officer coming to speak to the boys first...
nasty
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Ashley Kravitz wrote:Nandu, here you go :
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xexhf3 ... -kafi_news
Ashley,

Thanks very much for posting it to Dailymotion.

One request though. The title of the video as you have posted it is "Massacre by fithy Napak murtad kafir Paki Army in Swat."

This sort of title makes it easier for Pakis to claim that it is a propaganda piece by hate-filled Hindus or Israelis or whoever, because it is very openly aggressive against Pakistan.

I suggest it would be better to change the title to something neutral sounding (e.g. "Massacre of minor Pashtun children by soldiers of Punjabi-Dominated Pakistan Army.") Don't worry, the visuals in the video itself speak much more about the Paki army than any number of adjectives one could put in the title. Using a neutral-sounding, strictly fact-based title would make it seem much more credible as pure news documentary footage, and therefore much more impactful.

Also, many Indians who feel embarrassed by expressing an overt political opinion, might feel reluctant to share a video link on Facebook etc. if it has such a title. However, people (even non-Indians with human rights concerns) will be much more likely to share it on social networking sites if the title itself does not abuse the Paki army. Just my opinion.

****

On the subject of Youtube taking down the originally-posted video: There is a way to counter this.

Each and every one of us should sign up for a Youtube account and take turns uploading it. Just use the *same tags* every time so that it is easily searchable on Youtube with the same search terms. Then if Youtube takes it down from one account, it can be immediately uploaded to another user's account, and then another one and so on so that it is continuously available for view if anyone searches it.

Not an ideal solution but given Youtube's tendency of taking down videos when people complain, it may be the only way.

This thing MUST be seen by the maximum number of people possible.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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Floods in Pak Caused by Siachen Militarisation
Why does Indian official not say "Creation of Pakistan is caused by wrong interpretation of Islam."?

Just get IMs to say this every time Pakistanis tries to pull something out of their musharraf. Hindus saying this has not much effect as it is called zehaniyat of Hindus. Since Pakistan is formed for muslims of sub-continent, if Mulims say this it will have a much bigger effect and drive the point.
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