Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2012

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RamaY wrote:My guess is that these lesser greens thought they are surrendering to darker greens but did not expect to be waj-ub-cutletted. No wonder they surrendered without fight. I was told army is trained to fight till death and this light-green terrorist army of Pakistan mastered the art of surrendering to every and any opposition. A note for the Baluchis (all they have to do is to demonstrate darkest shade of green).
Agreed.

And not just for the Baluchis. This will be a morale booster for all and sundry in paki-land who wish to lay their hands on the new-clear arsenal one day.

I think the problem stems from the inability of the Pakistani army to face away from the India threat and realize that a much bigger threat lies within their own country and in all certainty within their own ranks. Their nonsensical approach to fighting the bearded AK-47s is a sure sign of institutional reluctance and a hesitation. They simply cannot believe that today their own dogs have turned on them instead of the neighbors for whom they were intended. And we all love our dogs, don't we? How could you put them down when all they have shown you was love until now?

Ironically, this means that the death by a thousand cuts is being unleashed on the Paki forces while their fighting forces dither.

a possible development is that this terrorist army will fight to death instead of surrendering. But my 4th cousin says that is impossible. Will the holy book and the prophet allow such a fight with true greens?
Exactly.

Oh well. All we have to do is seal our borders tight and make sure there are no spill-over effects and enjoy the show.
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Lilo wrote:Regarding PA COIN tactics..wrt a different incident in SWaziristan..
...regarding the activity which happened in Saurang Baba Ziarat village in which abt 9 soldiers were killed and 18 militants too.....i just got the details, to say that it was a fiasco wud be putting it mildly......negative points are
1. JUST 40 soldiers told to OCCUPY 3 new peaks.....
2. However, they occupied only 2 of them, leaving the THIRD and THE MOST critical and dominating one alone......
3. To top it all, all this under the command of a year old LT.....
.....wht happened was bound to happened, tangos climbed the third peak undetected and poured heavy fire on them, our troops were suppressed as the tangos were holding the high ground, seeing lack of fire from our side, tangos converted this fire raid into a full blown physical raid and overran the middle peak, since the times were desperate, own troops called in DF (OL)....Defensive Fire Own Location.....meaning artillery fire on their location.........2 of our men were killed in that fire, which was expected once u call such a fire task, rest 6-7 were killed in the fire fight out of which 1-2 were beheaded.......
......AND WHAT MORE....my dear HakimUllah Mehsud was personally commanding this activity.......
The quoted part was an account of a recent OP as revealed by a person who claims himself to be a serving TSPAian. Since it is sourced from one of the deaf-and-dumb outposts, veracity is unknown as conflictingly, ISPR and MSM reported on this Op as just another "raid on a checkpost" titled as "
Obviously I am not sure 400% as it could be clever propaganda, but the details and the wordings sound correct to me. Maybe its my gut feeling. Anyway, this very much falls into place with everything I suspect is happening within the TSPA today. So really, its not surprising.
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One thing that constantly gets my attention with these news reports is the number of beheading incidents involved with the prisoners.

a) What (if any) cultural background lies behind these brutal acts?
b) By now enough of these incidents have happened and publicized globally that surely the TSPA soldiers know that surrender is not an option? Then why on earth do large number of soldiers keep on surrendering only to face this gruesome death? Are they being shielded from the news and showered in propaganda?
c) Why has this brutality not put some steel in the backbone of the TSPA High command? Surely they must realize that despite their obvious connections and sympathies for the bearded bunnies, they are not going to live through a Taliban takeover of their country?
d) It would be interesting to ascertain the level of discrepancy between what gets released to the media during these events versus what actually happens. Unlike Kargil, I am pretty sure the Paki equivalent of the Indian media is nowhere near the front-lines to do investigative journalism of any kind. They probably depend solely on handouts from the Paki Army, and rest assured, the latter is not going to say their soldiers now resemble chicken minus the heads.
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This is the Paki way of doing COIN on their own country and within their own civilians:

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http://dawn.com/2012/08/31/fifteen-paki ... officials/

:shock:

And they still manage to lose whole sections of troops at a time to the bearded bunnies. :rotfl:
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SSridhar wrote:** Warning **
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Sridhar,

If you are refering to my post, I have now posted it on the Strategic Scenario thread, so you may delete it on this thread if you wish or let me know and I will delete it.

However, I cant imagine a more relevent post for this thread than mine. But you are the moderator, so let me know.
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A pawki soldier on hospital bed tells what he feels on Pakistan's war. Note how his officer interjects in between and tell the journo to "delete that sentence" :lol: .

vivek_ahuja wrote:One thing that constantly gets my attention with these news reports is the number of beheading incidents involved with the prisoners.

a) What (if any) cultural background lies behind these brutal acts?
b) By now enough of these incidents have happened and publicized globally that surely the TSPA soldiers know that surrender is not an option? Then why on earth do large number of soldiers keep on surrendering only to face this gruesome death? Are they being shielded from the news and showered in propaganda?
c) Why has this brutality not put some steel in the backbone of the TSPA High command? Surely they must realize that despite their obvious connections and sympathies for the bearded bunnies, they are not going to live through a Taliban takeover of their country?
Below is quote from LWJ , regarding the Swaziristan raid.
Pakistani Taliban 'chopped off the heads' of 7 Pakistani soldiers in South Waziristan
The claim was made yesterday by Ishanullah Ihsan, the spokesman for TTP, in an email sent to The Long War Journal.

Ihsan said that 20 Pakistani troops were killed after the Taliban attacked their camp in Badar, and that 29 assault rifles, three RPGs, a machinegun, a sniper rifle, a submachine gun, and "thousands of cartridges and many small military equipments" were seized during the raid. Ihsan said seven of the soldiers were beheaded in accordance with sharia, or Islamic Law.

"Mujahideen also chopped off the heads of 7 captured soldiers as Shariah directs them to do with enemies of Islam," Ihsan said.
So according to this talibunny, headchopping is mandated in Sharia - historical accounts of Islamic wars will also attest this fact i guess. On the psychological aspect of how a man can be so mentally desensitized to the horror of head chopping , the answer may lie in the public killing of animals ritual during Bakrid which the RoPers watch and practice while they are growing up.
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vivek_ahuja wrote:One thing that constantly gets my attention with these news reports is the number of beheading incidents involved with the prisoners. .
Greens are (religeously) following their prophet. Nothing special.
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boss there is soldier in the picture with nearly 15 feet ant on com equipment is it VHF especial
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vivek_ahuja wrote:This is the Paki way of doing COIN on their own country and within their own civilians:

Image

http://dawn.com/2012/08/31/fifteen-paki ... officials/

:shock:

And they still manage to lose whole sections of troops at a time to the bearded bunnies. :rotfl:
Amazing picture. John Le Carre once wrote a bitterly ironic, incendiary line in The Honourable Schoolboy that stays with me: "There will be no war, but in the struggle for peace not a single stone will be left standing"

Lads and Lasses, I give you the Pakjabi army- fighting such a great battle for peace that not a stone has been left standing. Encore! :rotfl:
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pentaiah wrote:boss there is soldier in the picture with nearly 15 feet ant on com equipment is it VHF especial
That caught my attention too. VHF most probably. Geniuses that they are, it has failed to occur to them that such a long antenna gives away the exact location of the soldiers even to out the bearded bunnies that are hiding inside buildings not in direct line of sight.

But then again, when your tactics involve leveling the village with armor, artillery and airstrikes in response to clearing it of the bunnies, good tactics are not really that important.
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Lilo wrote:A pawki soldier on hospital bed tells what he feels on Pakistan's war. Note how his officer interjects in between and tell the journo to "delete that sentence" :lol: .


So according to this talibunny, headchopping is mandated in Sharia - historical accounts of Islamic wars will also attest this fact i guess. On the psychological aspect of how a man can be so mentally desensitized to the horror of head chopping , the answer may lie in the public killing of animals ritual during Bakrid which the RoPers watch and practice while they are growing up.
That video clearly shows the morale level within the TSPA these days. And its going to get worse from here on.

And yes, I see the cultural background now. Damn barbarians killing each other. Why couldn't we have had some country like Canada for a neighbor instead of this shit-hole?
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Baikul wrote:Lads and Lasses, I give you the Pakjabi army- fighting such a great battle for peace that not a stone has been left standing. Encore! :rotfl:
:mrgreen:

Note that this only applies when they are fighting against an insurgency or civilians. In any and all cases where the opponent has superior firepower and/or a larger force (the latter is not a necessary condition), all this alleged bravado goes away and is replaced with Olympic quality downhill skiing .

Going by their other stories of incompetence regarding COIN ops, I am not even sure if this village had ANY bearded bunnies or whether they leveled this village just for the media to take these awesome pics of Pakjabi soldiers enacting the "1 Muslim Soldier = 1000 Kaffir soldiers" legend.

:rotfl:
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FWIW Harish Nambiar writing in the Economic Times about his interactions with the Rich Anglophone PakistanI Elite aka RAPE’s:

Indians tend to read Pakistan through its English-proficient tiny elite, but fail
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vivek_ahuja wrote:This is the Paki way of doing COIN on their own country and within their own civilians:

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As per the website this is a photu from the 2008 operations. The PA/ISPR have not released the ones from the latest operation. Must be under process.
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[url=xxxhttp://dawn.com/2012/08/31/how-am-i-supposed-to-be-good-at-english-when-i-came-here-to-learn-it/]“How am I supposed to be good at English when I came here to learn it?”[/url]
“I don’t know English well, which is why I paid so much money to come here and study it,” said Saira, a Pakistani student at the London Metropolitan University. :rotfl: Saira is one of the several thousand students affected by a UK Border Agency (UKBA) ruling against the university’s visa regulations. She has recently discovered that she may have to learn the language she came to study in order to survive in the country as her university has failed the BA standard for English competency of international students. She termed the decision, “really, really shocking.”
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KARACHI: In view of the importance of music and its immense popularity the world over, Geo TV is airing from September 8 a mega reality show ‘Sur Kshetra’ which translated means: ‘Victory of tunes; triumph of music.’ In this competition, young singers from India and Pakistan will put to test their talent and it is expected that talented singers from both the countries will be heard. ‘Sur Kshetra’ is an absolutely new and novel project but it is a tradition with Geo TV to present fresh mega events for its viewers. In the past, too, Geo TV has presented joint Indo-Pak shows and many big artists have performed on the Geo platform. In the recent past, a competition ‘Foodistan’ was held between chefs of India and Pakistan to see who cooks the most delicious and delectable foods. This programme was liked very much by the viewers. Besides young children of both the countries made history by taking part in ‘Chotey Ustad,’ a music competition. Although India and Pakistan are two independent states, yet their common musical heritage has bound both with the same cord. Ever since the ‘Aman Ki Asha’ initiative was launched, the people of the two countries are strengthening this bond of friendship.
The purpose of ‘Sur Kshetra’ is to further cement these ties of friendship, to recall the golden era of music, and to bring the best talent of the two countries on one platform.
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The ‘bloody’ Punjab partition
http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 2012_pg3_3
The biggest deception that Pakistani Marxists and liberals have been indulging in is that the ulema as a whole opposed the creation of Pakistan. Maududi did oppose, but he was an outsider who shifted to Pathankot, Punjab, where in 1941 he founded the Jamaat-e-Islami. It had no significant following in Punjab in 1945-46. The Deobandi Jamiat-i-Ulema-e-Hind, also opposed the Pakistan idea. It was essentially a northern Indian party without roots in Punjab. Nevertheless, a breakaway faction of the Deobandis led by Maulana Shabbir Ahmed Usmani wholeheartedly supported the Pakistan demand.
Punjab was the stronghold of pirs and Barelvi ulema. It is they who campaigned for an Islamic state and turned the tables in favour of the Muslim League. The Muslim League had to wrest Punjab away from the Punjab Unionist Party and that necessitated portraying it as an agent of anti-Islam forces. Consequently, ‘Islam in danger’ was launched as the battle cry, the Muslim League was projected as the saviour and Pakistan as the utopia where no exploitation would exist, moneylending would be abolished and a model Muslim society based on Islamic law would come into being. Pages 81-106 of my book The Punjab Bloodied, Partitioned and Cleansed (Oxford, 2012) provide the details. Islamic slogans, of which the most famous, Pakistan ka nara kiya? La Illaha Illillah (What is the slogan of Pakistan? It is that there is no god but God), were used profusely. The pirs and ulema told the Muslims that voting for the Muslim League would be voting for the Holy Prophet (PBUH); those Muslims who did not do so, their marriages would be annulled, they would be refused an Islamic burial, and so on. The Hindus and Sikhs were told that they would be tried under Islamic law and they would have to bring their cases to mosques. Governor Sir Bertrand Glancy noted on September 13, 1945, “Muslim Leaguers are doing what they can in the way of propaganda conducted on fanatical lines; religious leaders and religious buildings are being used freely in several places for advocating Pakistan and vilifying any who hold opposite view. Communal feel is, I fear, definitely deteriorating. Sikhs are getting definitely nervous about Pakistan, and I think there is no doubt that they will forcibly resist any attempt to include them in a Muslim Raj”In December 1946, the Sikhs and Hindus of Hazara district, NWFP, were subjected to unprecedented savagery of Muslim mobs. Thousands fled to Punjab, some got refuge in Rawalpindi, but most went eastwards where Sikhs were in substantial numbers. On January 24, Tiwana ordered police raids on the headquarters of the Punjab Muslim League and the RSS. Muslim League leaders who resisted were arrested. It triggered a mass movement of defiance of authority by Muslim League agitators. Every day Muslims courted arrest and the jails were filled with them. Slogan mongering against Tiwana was conducted in the filthiest of Punjabi abuses and taunts. The agitation also became increasingly violent. Glancy’s successor, Governor Sir Evan Jenkins noted in his report dated February 28, “The Sikhs have been profoundly moved by the obvious desire of the Muslims to seize Punjab for themselves and would not permit them to do so. The agitation has shown Pakistan in all its nakedness and was a fair example of the kind of treatment that the minorities, including the Sikhs, might expect from Muslim extremists”(Page 124).Chief Secretary Akhtar Husain wrote on March 4, 1947, when direct action was over and an uneasy peace had been established, “Muslims in their stupidity disgraced Sikhs, singled out Sikh policemen for their attacks and brutally murdered a Sikh constable. The effect of this was grave in the extreme and, as has been stated, communal strife between Sikhs and Muslims was almost inevitable if the League movement of defiance had continued” (page 125). (Page 84).
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vivek_ahuja wrote: That video clearly shows the morale level within the TSPA these days. And its going to get worse from here on.
It is not just morale, it is utter lack of conviction in the war they are asked to fight and the complete identification with the agenda of the enemy, not that of his officers or their orders. After all, this is to be expected. A bunch of fanatic barbaric animals brought up on hate filled ideology in madrasas joining a terrorist army that is officially fighting 'jihad fi sabililah' and then you ask him to fight true momeens. This is what he will say.
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New twist in the Christian girl blasphemy case:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19454739
Imam held in Pakistan blasphemy case

Police in Pakistan have arrested an imam accused of planting burnt pages of the Koran on a Christian girl accused of blasphemy, officials say.

The girl was detained two weeks ago after a mob accused her of desecrating the Koran.

However, a witness at the same mosque as the imam says that he fabricated the evidence, local media reports say.
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Curious business this? Are they trying to show the world that they're moderately enlightened by arresting an imam? Or has something drastically changed in pakland's thinking.
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With so much arms and ammo captured along with heads of their bosses by Talibunnies, it strongly indicates some trainees turned on their mentors
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PA is using armour and artillery this time too !! Wasn't it supposed to be a highly skilled professional army with highest contribution to UN ops worldwide ? :lol:
I can't find any information about the units involved. Have they shifted some from Indian border this time or not ?
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On 2nd thoughts, just leave it. I've watched too much of Barkha, Rajdeep kind of shows to waste more time on such BS.
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Hillary Clinton: Haqqani Network Terrorist Label Decision Coming

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/0 ... 48660.html
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Friday she will meet next week's deadline to report to Congress on whether the Haqqani network should be designated as a terrorist organization.Clinton said she would present the report on the Haqqani network by Sept. 9 as called for by lawmakers.
hmmmm. curious to know what happens but there is a little chance this will go through.
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vivek_ahuja wrote:One thing that constantly gets my attention with these news reports is the number of beheading incidents involved with the prisoners.

a) What (if any) cultural background lies behind these brutal acts?
it is a very popular activity there, almost a sport. I remember a video from 5-6 years back, a 10-12 year old boy beheaded a mid 30's man accused of being an american agent, shouting AoA all the time. the vid was on liveleak or one of the other more lax youtube-esque sites. I remember feeling quite sick after watching it (couldn't complete).

what's interesting was the absolutely festive mood in the men surrounding the beheader and his victim, it was almost as if the last over of a cricket match was going on.
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Irfan Hussein in his typical vein.

http://dawn.com/2012/09/01/free-advice-for-imran-khan/

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From the Newspaper | Irfan Husain |

FAMOUSLY, and to much acclaim from his devoted fans, Imran Khan has declared that he will end corruption in either 19 or 90 days, depending on which version you believe.

But in either case, he is sure he will root out this evil in a very short period. In this desire, he is in good company: Ayub Khan, Yahya Khan, Zia and Musharraf all promised to clean up the system. We all know how that went for them and for us.

It’s not that I doubt Imran Khan’s intentions, or that I would like to see him fail should the improbable happen, and he actually comes to power. As a Pakistani, there’s nothing I would rather like to see than a country free of corruption.

But as somebody who has spent most of his working life in the bureaucracy, I can say with some authority that the whole system is now so steeped in venality that I doubt any one ruler has the power to eradicate it in a single lifetime. And this is not the cynic in me speaking, but the practical ex-civil servant.

I know Imran Khan is surrounded by many bright advisers, but this column is intended as a free input into his ongoing policymaking exercise.

Let me start with a personal example. After I took early retirement from the civil service to head a private university whose lovely campus was nearing completion on the outskirts of Karachi, the electrical contractor complained that a provincial inspector was demanding a bribe to issue a certificate. Without this piece of paper, we could not get power from the grid.

I happened to have a friend who was a provincial minister, so I called her to report this complaint. In a couple of days, she rang back to say that she had had the inspector transferred to Thatta, and I passed on the good news to the contractor. A day later, he came to me in a state of great distress, and asked me to have the transfer cancelled.

When I asked him why, he replied that the inspector’s successor and friends in other departments would make it impossible for him to work in the area. “The bureaucracy’s a mafia,” he explained. “You target one member, and the rest of the gang goes for you.” In the event, I refused to call my friend again, and have no idea how things worked out for the contractor.

Here’s another example: when I took over as accountant general Sindh in the mid-1980s, I was aware the office had a reputation for corruption, especially in its pension section. After immediately changing the entire staff there, I put an ad in the newspapers announcing that an officer would record any complaints between 11 and 12 every day.

Often I would join the officer as we waited for complaints to come pouring in. In one month, not a single person came forward. Disappointed and puzzled, I discussed this failure with colleagues. One of them explained, as though to a naïve child, that people knew that if they complained against an official, they would incur the ire of all his colleagues. They would then settle scores after my tenure ended.

These are only some of the realities of corruption. Our businessmen are fond of sitting in their drawing rooms and cursing crooked officials. What they leave unsaid is that mostly, they benefit from this system as they pay bribes to either speed up their cases, or cut corners that allow them to make greater profits. In short, they are partners in crime with the officials they bribe.

And corruption is not restricted to the state sector. Senior executives of large corporations are well aware of how their procurement staff skim off a percentage on the items they buy. Bank managers are not above charging clients a percentage of the loans they disburse. Elected members of well-known clubs are known to make money on contracts and kitchen expenses.

The military is Pakistan’s biggest department in terms of money spent, and given the size of defence contracts, the alleged bribes in this area are huge. But the opaque nature of these transactions, and the clout of those in charge, makes it difficult to quantify the extent of the graft. At the field level, I have heard of at least one commanding officer of a battalion who regularly siphoned off a part of his unit’s food allowance.

Turning to political corruption, the rules of business make it difficult for ministers to accept payoffs without the connivance of the bureaucrats reporting to them. Thus, if a minister demands (or is offered) a bribe for a contract, it is his underlings who will have to make the case and sign the agreement. Thus, politicians have every incentive to ensure they have pliable officers in their departments.

It is this deepening corruption, as well as its social acceptance, that has caused such demoralisation in the higher echelons of the bureaucracy. Incidentally, when Imran Khan says he will clean up the system when he comes to power, does he think his party will win at the centre and the provinces simultaneously? He needs to remember that the sprawling provincial bureaucracies do not fall under Islamabad’s control.

One problem Imran Khan and his team do not seem to have grasped is that low government salaries are one of the prime factors behind the widespread corruption. If I am honest, I will have to concede that I was easily able to resist temptation because I had only one child to educate, and my parents did not need my financial support. Also, my writing brought in a little extra income to pay for books. Most civil servants do not fall into this narrow category.

None of this is to suggest that it is impossible to at least reduce corruption, but it needs a sustained effort, not just empty slogans. Over the years, we have heard plenty of those. Somehow, the bureaucracy needs to be trimmed as it is far larger than our needs. And pay scales need to be brought into step with financial and social reality.

Above all, we must realise that corruption is a fact of life in the developing world. Even industrialised countries have their share of it. So a sense of proportion is needed while tackling this ancient evil.

The writer is the author of Fatal Faultlines: Pakistan, Islam and the West.
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The Express Tribune reports that the Intelligence agencies of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan are of the view that India along with the US and Afghanistan are fomenting Mohammadden Jihadi Terrorism within the Islamic Republic.

If there is substance in the report, it is deeply satisfying to see India paying back the Islamic Republic of Pakistan for its action of fomenting Mohammadden Jihadi Terrorism in India in the same coin:
Foreign intelligence services bankrolling terror: Report
By Asad Kharal
Published: September 2, 2012

Pakistani intelligence agencies have alleged that their American, Indian and Afghan counterparts are financially supporting banned militant outfits in the country.

The contents of a circular issued to law enforcement agencies by the interior ministry’s National Crisis Management Cell (NCMC) revealed the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and India’s Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) are funding Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan’s (TTP) Punjabi, Asmatullah Moavia, Ghulam Rabbani and Qari Kamran factions through Afganistan’s Riyast-i-Amoor-o-Amanat-i-Milliyah (RAAM) and National Directorate of Security (NDS). ........................
Read it all:

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We are doing nothing of the kind. It is pure speculative nonsense. Largely the essential principle is that left to their own devices, the paks will do a thorough job of it themselves. Any input from us will only help to unify. Whyfortodoso?
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Even if we are, shouldn't TSP be happy, after all it is a country established for Islam and IS Islam. Thus anyone bringing more Islam to its polity should be rewarded and if outside states do that, they are also helping Pakistan realise its raisin dieter.
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arun wrote:The Express Tribune reports that the Intelligence agencies of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan are of the view that India along with the US and Afghanistan are fomenting Mohammadden Jihadi Terrorism within the Islamic Republic. If there is substance in the report....
Of course there is no substance in this bullcrap being dished out on a daily basis in paki briefings. PA does this for a strategic reason. They (PA as the true liberators of islam from the unbelievers) have to convince and line up mango "five-time namaazi" abduls in pa'astan behind their so called "war on terror" against their own in-house muslimeens (who on a daily basis proclaim themselves as better muslims and the PA as a kafir army). What better reason than the carefully placed propaganda that the TTP tellibunnies are not true muslimeens but are actually Yindoo/Yamriki/Yehudi agents in mufti? There is even a rumor flying around on paki websites (whose names can not be revealed) that the Kamra base attack was trained and coordinated by Yamrikis and Yehudis sitting in Kabool.

Then there was another posting earlier today asking why the PA regulars continue their fight with the TTP knowing very well what awaits them if they are captured. This reminds me of joke in erstwhile USSR red army often heard in the '70s. Asked whether he would prefer to fight on the side of the communists or the evil capitalists, the red army soldier replied proudly "the red army, sir". To the follow up question "why", he said that in case he was captured, he prefer to surrender to the capitalists. At least there was hope.

There's your paki mango abdul logic. See, in paki la-la land, everything is possible.
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What is absolutely hilarious in this whole affair is that, not just the bunnies, but even TSPAs own soldiers (see that Youtube video posted earlier here) are convinced TSPA is dancing to Unkil's tunes, while Unkil himself is convinced (or at least bitching about) TSPA dancing to bunny tunes. So like Palghat Mani Iyer's Mridangam, TSPA is getting banged on both sides.

Is GOI is keeping mum because there is no further sides to bang? LOL
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It is not speculation, it is propaganda. The ISI has a desperate need to paint the jihadis as RAW and CIA stooges because otherwise, ideologically both the regular Paki abduls and the TSPA soldiers will side with the jihadis.
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Suppiah wrote:What is absolutely hilarious in this whole affair is that, not just the bunnies, but even TSPAs own soldiers (see that Youtube video posted earlier here) are convinced TSPA is dancing to Unkil's tunes, while Unkil himself is convinced (or at least bitching about) TSPA dancing to bunny tunes. So like Palghat Mani Iyer's Mridangam, TSPA is getting banged on both sides.

Is GOI is keeping mum because there is no further sides to bang? LOL
Hopefully we will see a jernail get lamp posted by pious talibs soon.
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arun wrote:FWIW Harish Nambiar writing in the Economic Times about his interactions with the Rich Anglophone PakistanI Elite aka RAPE’s:

Indians tend to read Pakistan through its English-proficient tiny elite, but fail
English proficient tiny elite Indians tend to read Pakistan through its English proficient tiny elite
Fixed.
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http://www.samachar.com/Editor-of-Paks- ... ibccd.html
Editor of Pak's english daily beaten up for watching TV
"An editor of one of Pakistan's leading English dailies was beaten up by four men outside his home in the port city of Karachi for watching TV and listening to music.
Though the incident occurred on August 27 and Zainul Abedin, op-ed editor of The News daily, reported the matter to police, no action has been taken by authorities so far, journalists in Karachi said.
The men who attacked the journalist are members of a proselytising group.
According to Abedin, four men kicked open the gate of his house in the in Gulshan-e-Iqbal area at 11 pm (local time) on August 27 and began to abuse him.
When Abedin went to the gate to talk to the men, he was surrounded and grabbed.
One of the men objected to Abedin watching TV and listening to qawwalis......"
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

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We can soon see the jernails switch to the bunny side.

its matter of time.

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Too many French Revolution inspirations.
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partha wrote:
English proficient tiny elite Indians tend to read Pakistan through its English proficient tiny elite
Fixed.
Naaah, Fixed below
Tiny, dark skinned, rice eating English proficient Indians tend to view Pakistan through its tall, fair skinned, wheat and meat eating but tiny English speaking elite
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The body-less heads mostly have no beards, proving the secular credentials of the Pakistan army. :P
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g.sarkar wrote:http://www.samachar.com/Editor-of-Paks- ... ibccd.html

Editor of Pak's english daily beaten up for watching TV

"An editor of one of Pakistan's leading English dailies was beaten up by four men outside his home in the port city of Karachi for watching TV and listening to music.

Though the incident occurred on August 27 and Zainul Abedin, op-ed editor of The News daily, reported the matter to police, no action has been taken by authorities so far, journalists in Karachi said.

The men who attacked the journalist are members of a proselytising group.

According to Abedin, four men kicked open the gate of his house in the in Gulshan-e-Iqbal area at 11 pm (local time) on August 27 and began to abuse him.

When Abedin went to the gate to talk to the men, he was surrounded and grabbed.

One of the men objected to Abedin watching TV and listening to qawwalis......"

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Looks like a case of the “More Pure” imposing Mohammadden piety on the “Less Pure” in the “Land of the Pure” with the Mohammadden revivalist Tablighi Jamaat reverting to its onetime puritan Deobandi roots and chastising Un-Mohammadden practices such as watching religious programming involving singing of hymns on television that is practised by Mohammaddens of the Barelvi and Sufi sects.

May Pakistan everyday in everyway become Greener and Greener :wink: .

The version of the story that appeared in The News whose Op-Ed Editor was assaulted in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan's commercial capital of Karachi:

Senior staffer of The News attacked ‘for watching TV’
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A thanks giving visit turns poignant
According to a report in Dawn , the two women presented the Governor and human rights activist Ansar Burney a gold-plated portrait of Radha and Krishna; stating that India was like Radha and Pakistan like Krishna.
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