Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 19 Sep 2014 06:08

There should be a neutral observer for this election. We cannot be sure that the Brishit loyal vote counters will not "booth capture" the "Yes" vote. I want China or North Korea or ISIS or EyeRan to be the neutral observer.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 19 Sep 2014 06:10

Then why put it on the "NO" table? Why not on "YES"? You follow yes? You follow Mr. James Man Curr, jah, yes?

saip · Post by **saip** » 19 Sep 2014 06:14

LokeshC wrote:There should be a neutral observer for this election. We cannot be sure that the Brishit loyal vote counters will not "booth capture" the "Yes" vote. I want China or North Korea or ISIS or EyeRan to be the neutral observer.

I want N Korea. They are neutral observers.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 19 Sep 2014 06:14

Where the heck is Nobel Laureate, Peanut farmer, Engineer (former) Pres. Jimmy Carter when we need him most? Dear Mr. Carter, these same UK was making fun of the fair and free elections in Florida. Please, pleae, please, pretty please fly post haste to UK and conduct an investigation and issue a certification in the negative to the British. (pribably i ma expecting a little too much from all these Nobel Peace Prize winers - Carter, Gore, Obama et al).

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 19 Sep 2014 06:19

saip wrote:
Suraj wrote: That looks like tens of thousands of votes being mis-categorized. Same bunch of jokers were making fun of assorted dictators rigging elections. Clearly, now they'll claim 99.9% voted no.

This is what Daily Record reporter James Moncur says...

"Just to clear up 'picturegate' - the photo was a screen grab from Sky TV of the count in Dundee.

"All votes both yes and no we're piled on a table before the final verification count started.

"The table just happened to have a 'No' sign on it. Sky got a stern ticking off from count officials for the error."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/li ... z3DigKlLaQ

Right, right, that is exactly what happened. This is worse than hanging chads. Hoiw systematic of therm to pile them together AFTER counting them. Yep, thats the way to verify things.

Did I mention, the hanging chads? I did, oh well, I thought it was left out. Anyway, hanging chads...

saip · Post by **saip** » 19 Sep 2014 06:20

panduranghari wrote:Who wins Glasgow, wins the referendum as Glasgow accounts for 20% of the vote. Results for Glasgow by 0.00 BST.

Glasgow & Edinburgh together will decide. Together they have 20% of total voters in them.
Glasgow has about 11%.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 19 Sep 2014 06:37

saip wrote:
Suraj wrote: That looks like tens of thousands of votes being mis-categorized. Same bunch of jokers were making fun of assorted dictators rigging elections. Clearly, now they'll claim 99.9% voted no.

This is what Daily Record reporter James Moncur says...
"Just to clear up 'picturegate' - the photo was a screen grab from Sky TV of the count in Dundee.
"All votes both yes and no we're piled on a table before the final verification count started.
"The table just happened to have a 'No' sign on it. Sky got a stern ticking off from count officials for the error."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/li ... z3DigKlLaQ
Follow us: @DailyMirror on Twitter | DailyMirror on Facebook

There is no independent observer panel to verify any of that. So why should anyone believe it ?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 19 Sep 2014 06:50

Can Cameron beat Musharraf's record? 142 percent of registered voters (i.e., the total electorate) in Gujranwala voted for Mushy.

saip · Post by **saip** » 19 Sep 2014 06:52

But who is conducting the polls? Only thue 'No' guys from Scotland and the briturds?

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 19 Sep 2014 07:17

Apparentely, Shetland and Orkneys have both voted NO, by convincing margins. Any idea why these out-of-the-way areas want to stay with England? One would have thought that these would be the last holdouts of Scottish culture.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/wo ... fd4873096c

Meanwhile, our British friends are using Laloo worthy practices here. People turned up in Edinburgh and Glasgow to vote only to find that people had already voted in their names Going by the old adage, vote early, vote often, I guess.

In Glasgow, the count was over-shadowed by complaints of fraud, after 10 people said they had turned up to vote only to find that their name had already been recorded as having voted.

Read it all here.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/wo ... 7063549824

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 19 Sep 2014 07:20

saip wrote:But who is conducting the polls? Only thue 'No' guys from Scotland and the briturds?

The stiff upper lipped white English man... who else. He is the epitome of a moral individual and a great civilizing influence over the world. At one time the area he squatted on the world saw no-sunset, and therefore sir you cannot even tell him to shove it where the sun-dont-shine.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 19 Sep 2014 07:22

^^Yup.

Hindsight 20/20 and all. Scotland was never going to be 'allowed' to secede.

And I doubt Whitehall will allow another vote this century. Only. Sigh.

saip · Post by **saip** » 19 Sep 2014 07:31

Right now it is No: 5 , Yes 0
But they are all small councils.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 19 Sep 2014 07:35

CNN reflecting the thinking in the US establishment...

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 19 Sep 2014 07:36

Hari Seldon wrote:^^Yup.

Hindsight 20/20 and all. Scotland was never going to be 'allowed' to secede.

And I doubt Whitehall will allow another vote this century. Only. Sigh.

Not quite "hind" sight, this here thread predicted this very outcome at least a day ahead of time.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 19 Sep 2014 07:38

It is going to be a "No". It would be very surprising if the "Yes" gang wins. I am only interested in the vote share and turnout. Very important as the future generations will remember that especially if this gets to become a polarizing statistic. I hope it does, for the better of the world

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 19 Sep 2014 07:39

Whatever may be the end result, the votes are still close. All lowest sized counties/states/whatever are out.

http://www.bbc.com/news/events/scotland-decides/results

sort by electorate.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 19 Sep 2014 07:44

LokeshC wrote:It is going to be a "No". It would be very surprising if the "Yes" gang wins. I am only interested in the vote share and turnout. Very important as the future generations will remember that especially if this gets to become a polarizing statistic. I hope it does, for the better of the world

5x% No -- 4x% yes. Everything is noise.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 19 Sep 2014 07:46

Dundee City votes overwhelmingly Yes, with ~58%. Big population there. After 7 of 32 it is 50.9% No, and 49.1% Yes. After 350000 votes counted, the gap is just 6K votes. Fun!

The bigger towns are trending Yes, or >47% No, which might be enough for a win.

Dundee City 119K pop, 57.35% Yes
Inverclyde 62K pop 49.92% Yes
Renfrewshire 134K pop 47.19% Yes

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 19 Sep 2014 07:47

Where is Dilbu?

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 19 Sep 2014 07:53

Suraj wrote:Dundee City votes overwhelmingly Yes, with ~58%. Big population there. After 7 of 32 it is 50.9% No, and 49.1% Yes. After 350000 votes counted, the gap is just 6K votes. Fun!

The bigger towns are trending Yes, or >47% No, which might be enough for a win.

Dundee City 119K pop, 57.35% Yes
Inverclyde 62K pop 49.92% Yes
Renfrewshire 134K pop 47.19% Yes

That is what it is going on. The smaller ones are voting No. From an Yes side the dampner is 75% turnout in Glasgow. Had it bee 85% then then UK may have become F UK.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 19 Sep 2014 07:55

Big Yes stronghold cities are seeing low turnout. That might ultimately kill the Yes side.

The English will probably sieze upon this afterwards if it's a No, mocking the Scots for being cowards, thereby keeping the pot boiling.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 19 Sep 2014 07:59

West Dunbartonshire votes YES, with 53.96 for YES. Overall, 50.17% NO, 49.83% YES. Interesting finish.

saip · Post by **saip** » 19 Sep 2014 08:06

Shreeman wrote:
Hari Seldon wrote:^^Yup.

Hindsight 20/20 and all. Scotland was never going to be 'allowed' to secede.

And I doubt Whitehall will allow another vote this century. Only. Sigh.
Not quite "hind" sight, this here thread predicted this very outcome at least a day ahead of time.

Not so fast. The bigger councils are going YES. It is close.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 19 Sep 2014 08:10

saip wrote:
Shreeman wrote:"Hari Seldon"^^Yup.

Hindsight 20/20 and all. Scotland was never going to be 'allowed' to secede.

And I doubt Whitehall will allow another vote this century. Only. Sigh.
^^

Not quite "hind" sight, this here thread predicted this very outcome at least a day ahead of time.
Not so fast. The bigger councils are going YES. It is close.

We stand by our rigorous scientific analysis backed by 786 Superv Param VX hyper parallel RISC supercomputers. And, of course, always happy to be proven wrong in a good cause.

Seriously though, dont get your hopes up. But then again....

saip · Post by **saip** » 19 Sep 2014 08:14

It is NO 10, Yes 2. But No 53, yes 47%

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 19 Sep 2014 08:14

saip wrote: Not so fast. The bigger councils are going YES. It is close.

Only Dundee has voted YES, among the bigger Councils. Already, Falkirk (bigger than Dundee Council) voted NO. (53-47)

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 19 Sep 2014 08:15

Scottish independence referendum: latest results in full

It is the guardian link, which is giving up-to-date results on Scottish Independence referendum.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 19 Sep 2014 08:26

nageshks wrote:
saip wrote: Not so fast. The bigger councils are going YES. It is close.
Only Dundee has voted YES, among the bigger Councils. Already, Falkirk (bigger than Dundee Council) voted NO. (53-47)

It is over people -- 150k more NO votes already.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 19 Sep 2014 08:32

Shreeman wrote: It is over people -- 150k more NO votes already.

The only interesting to watch will be which councils vote YES, and what happens to them afterwards. Will Cameron do what SP said in UP? `Saalon! Agar SP ko vote nahi diya to paani, bijli nahin denge!'

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 19 Sep 2014 08:37

Shreeman wrote:It is over people -- 150k more NO votes already.

It isn't over. It's just BEGUN

Ardeshir · Post by **Ardeshir** » 19 Sep 2014 08:39

Current Vote Count

Turnout - 86%
Yes - 779,689
No - 965,790

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 19 Sep 2014 08:39

nageshks wrote:
Shreeman wrote: It is over people -- 150k more NO votes already.
The only interesting to watch will be which councils vote YES, and what happens to them afterwards. Will Cameron do what SP said in UP? `Saalon! Agar SP ko vote nahi diya to paani, bijli nahin denge!'

Angus McKarney,

This is a "straw" poll. All is noise. Outcome predecided. No 10 percentile difference anywhere. The yes lot will raise the scotch consumption and stock prices. Westminbster carries on. Next watch for the so called concessions to disappear (because they are now negotiable).

Media will focus on crucifying Salmond, asking him to step aside for being a divisive figure. The concessions will go on backburner.

Suraj Padgorne,

'tis Ovurr. The blancmanges have won wimbledon. No point in arrrguing about'it.

Edit -- you put your ballot in the post, the postman delivers some ballots to the counting center. Who is to say what happens in the middle? QED. Eventually political science graduate students will find the hanging chads.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 19 Sep 2014 08:43

Glasgow votes YES, 53.49 to 46.51. This should have some interesting ramifications, not for the result but for the overall post poll process.

saip · Post by **saip** » 19 Sep 2014 08:45

Glasgow went YES

saip · Post by **saip** » 19 Sep 2014 08:48

200 k lead for NOs and Edinburg and Fife will be interesting. Glasgow only gave 25k lead for YES.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 19 Sep 2014 08:50

Edinburgh is trending heavily No, from what I read. Lots of businesses worried about implications of Yes. Glasgow will get a lot of stick from Westminster for their insolent 53.5% Yes vote, especially right after CWG 2014 funded by British taxpayer money. Excellent for the long term divisiveness.

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 19 Sep 2014 08:55

OK, so it looks like the United Kingdom is not going to become the Untied Kingdom this year. There's always the future, I guess. It would have been splendid to have two momentous elections go India's way in 2014, but oh well.

OT: wonder what remnant of positive karmic balance is keeping the UK going. Isn't it all depleted and gone yet?

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 19 Sep 2014 08:57

There are not enough votes left for YES to win. Next up Salmond concession speech.

saip · Post by **saip** » 19 Sep 2014 08:59

"Exit Polls" said it will be 54/46 for NO/YES. Right now it looks like it.