Lok Sabha Elections 2024 - World's largest elections - Desh Ka Garv [World's envy]

[uddu]

On the day of counting if at any point even initial counting of postal ballot show an edge for Congress or Indi Alliance it will be termed as Opposition victory and later snatched away by Modi. Watch out for this accusation. All the polling stations start to report trends as quickly as possible especially from BJP stronghold areas. Also its best to put out news that the initial half an hour or so its the postal ballots that's getting counted.

[Pratyush]

Postal ballots are usually the first ones to be counted. So let's see what happens.

[Sumeet]

Why worry so much ? Data points to consider:

In the years leading up to the elections what were approval ratings of PM Modi amongst Indians as measured by Indian or Foreign firms -- highest amongst world leaders and way, way above any second Indian.

In Dec 2023, BJP won squarely 3 main assembly elections - Rajasthan, Chattisgarh and MP.

All pre polls predicted PM Modi & NDA to be favorite for re election

After 7 phases of voting, exit polls also confirm the same thing that NDA under leadership of PM Modi is going for a land slide victory

Now if the election results reflect the same then what is odd ?

Only thing odd is behavior of INDIA alliance parties who want to cast aspersions over India's electoral process and democracy just because election verdict does not suit them.

[A_Gupta]

Why did Jairam Ramesh make the claim that the Home Minister called 150 district collectors to influence the counting? The ECI has asked him to substantiate his allegation. What happens when he cannot?

[Sumeet]

All these rona-dhona of INDIA alliance parties should be just dismissed with contempt.

Yashwant makes a good point when Exit polls said Congress is wining Karnataka, Telangana were they fantasy polls of Rahul Gandhi ?




Any attempts to violently disrupt normal life of common man and cause economic/infrastructure/property damage should be dealt with appropriate and commensurate force (just like what US did in recent in campus violent and disruptive Pro Palestine protests).

It should be made clear from the beginning itself that anarchy, violence, destruction and disruption of common man's life will not be tolerated in new India. There could not be a better starting to Modi 3.0.

Those who have grievances have appropriate channels to vent them and pursue it in institutions mandated by Indian constitution.

[Sachin]

did he surrender? It is past midnight June 2nd in Bharat.

Yes. After a major dance drama (visiting Raj Ghat and a Hanuman temple), Kejriwal surrended. Fraud now says he may even be executed by hanging . Kejri even surpasses Shri. Pappu Ghandi in theateritics. I need to revisit my friends who around 7 years back had believed that this charlatan and fraud was the new messiah to save India.

Exit polls reduced my Dhoti-shiver a bit, but somewhere it doesn't feel right....

I am born cynic, and believes in Murphy's laws. If all looks clear, you are walking into an ambush. The higher numbers in Exit Polls giving high hopes and then a different picture during actual voting; will be a heavy fall.

On the day of counting if at any point even initial counting of postal ballot show an edge for Congress or Indi Alliance it will be termed as Opposition victory and later snatched away by Modi.

Postal ballots are usually the first ones to be counted. So let's see what happens.

Pratyush is right, postal ballots gets counted first. But the Congress game plan using this initial surge will be shot down quickly as every politician knows how the counting goes. Also in postal ballots secrecy is slightly less. In KL there has been cases where postal ballots meant for policemen did not reach them, but were in the hands of the police association officials. And they did all the voting based on their political views. In 2019 elections; KL commies were celebrating seeing the initial lead they had in Tripura. Amit Shah stoically had said the lead was from postal ballots, and in the afternoon EVMs would get counted. And bingo, by around 5PM KL commies were seen wailing and walking to the nearest bar (or BEVCO outlet).

The ECI has asked him to substantiate his allegation. What happens when he cannot?

He will keep mum, or give an apology which the main stream media would NOT report at all.

[Mukesh.Kumar]

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I am born cynic, and believes in Murphy's laws. If all looks clear, you are walking into an ambush. The higher numbers in Exit Polls giving high hopes and then a different picture during actual voting; will be a heavy fall.

On the day of counting if at any point even initial counting of postal ballot show an edge for Congress or Indi Alliance it will be termed as Opposition victory and later snatched away by Modi.

Postal ballots are usually the first ones to be counted. So let's see what happens.

Pratyush is right, postal ballots gets counted first. But the Congress game plan using this initial surge will be shot down quickly as every politician knows how the counting goes.

1. Keeping fingers crossed and dhoti-shiver mode on.
2. It's time someone from BJP gets on one of the TV Channels and discuss hoye the system of counting postal ballots work. ECI and selected few knowing may know Junta doesn't. Would be good to draw up data from elections dating back to 40 years and show how initial reports and final aren't always sane. Best would be if tbe TV channel posts a PDF on social media for sharing. Best is if they can get a respected independent voice to do this. This can pre-empt the INDI Alliance and BIF hulla of tempered EVM.

[Dilbu]

BJP will lose onlee.

[triank]

All these rona-dhona of INDIA alliance parties should be just dismissed with contempt.

Yashwant makes a good point when Exit polls said Congress is wining Karnataka, Telangana were they fantasy polls of Rahul Gandhi ?




Any attempts to violently disrupt normal life of common man and cause economic/infrastructure/property damage should be dealt with appropriate and commensurate force (just like what US did in recent in campus violent and disruptive Pro Palestine protests).

It should be made clear from the beginning itself that anarchy, violence, destruction and disruption of common man's life will not be tolerated in new India. There could not be a better starting to Modi 3.0.

Those who have grievances have appropriate channels to vent them and pursue it in institutions mandated by Indian constitution.

and the best place to start that would be with, Bengal! needs to be fixed on priority! otherwise another wave of exodus is waiting to happen shortly:

Will drown Hindus in the Bhagirathi River within two hours or leave politics, you are 30% and we are 70% in Murshidabad: TMC MLA Humayun Kabir

https://x.com/OpIndia_com/status/1785998869504946178

https://www.news18.com/india/bjp-worker ... 17741.html
BJP worker beheaded in Nadia

there'll be more such news/more numbers am sure.

when the khancross potty came to power again in 1980 they had the audacity to DISMISS NINE STATE GOVTS ruled by opposition parties just on a flimsy reason saying "since you lost in LS elex you have thus lost the 'moral right' to rule the states too!" and here the central govt cant/wont even do it to just one rogue state govt for the best of the most justifiable of reasons too! just too sad & enraging! hope the renewed GOI doesn't dilly-dally anymore & start fixing this spreading 'mullavolent' cancer!

on another note, all such news should be saved & archived to keep slapping on the faces of those who pretend to whine that BJP does "hindu-muslim" politics!!

[Pratyush]

The Congress under Rahul is heading for a cliff. They have a set of followers who are not paying attention to what's happening with the Congress.

It's these people who are lapping up every thing that comes out from the Congress. What is the percentage from this number that is likely to indulge in violence and disruptive activities on behalf of Congress?

We don't know. But given the political polarization amongst such people. Nothing can be taken for granted.

[triank]

Why did Jairam Ramesh make the claim that the Home Minister called 150 district collectors to influence the counting? The ECI has asked him to substantiate his allegation. What happens when he cannot?

ajay maken made another serious allegation. the ECI clarified about it. maken said "thanks for the clarification." all good & dandy between them..so cheers onlee!

I need to revisit my friends who around 7 years back had believed that this charlatan and fraud was the new messiah to save India.

i was on a trek with an ex-navy friend of mine in 2013 when kachorilal had just made his foray & Modiji was declared the PM candidate. before the trek started he asked me so who will be/should be the PM? i had long-before sensed how/what 'mold', a 'fungal' character & plant/mole this 5x5 time-bomb is, from the commie black-clad nukkad-drama mandalis in his 2012 'agitation', asking RSS-BJP leaders to get down from his stage & not visit him etc. etc., and i ofcourse replied Modiji. he said, "L! kerjiwal!" (slangword).........the joke played on him not long after that. 2016 & onward he himself started realizing it, albeit not openly modi-supporting too but not against as well. he wasnt/isnt a very politically-aware or interested kind, the demographic that was attracted by & was the target of pAAP initially (much discussed & dissected on this forum), so i also didnt rub it on him as i could see that atleast he wasnt a fanatic zombie like other pAAP-supporters. there was another one such who'd argue with me that pAAP/girgitwal were good & "atleast did/would work even if they take bribes" (this was in 2015). again, not a very politically-aware person so i also never brought up about this cia-mole during the rare couple of times i met him later, thinking he may have realized his folly.

[triank]

#muslim vote-share percentage bjp vs congress indi alliance exit polls axis india today

[Cyrano]

effect of khatakhat khatakhat everything for pokhat... thats why.

[vijayk]

https://en.rattibha.com/thread/1797529988939546707
Interference in the election

[triank]

https://en.rattibha.com/thread/1797529988939546707
Interference in the election

also..

HUGE: 17 employees of YouTube India are on agencies' radar for tweaking the algorithm to favor anti-Modi content during elections to influence the results.

The employees explicitly wrote and spoke instructions on how to shadow-ban any neutral coverage of Indian elections and promote an anti-Narendra Modi narrative.

https://x.com/TheTreeni/status/1797170010584129873

[triank]

effect of khatakhat khatakhat everything for pokhat... thats why.

other than (for) #VoteJihad ofcourse

[triank]

DKS spilling the truth:

"Even Congress Leaders know that INDI Aliiance can't win!"

https://x.com/amarprasadreddy/status/17 ... 8727769185

[hanumadu]

https://en.rattibha.com/thread/1797529988939546707
Interference in the election

also..

HUGE: 17 employees of YouTube India are on agencies' radar for tweaking the algorithm to favor anti-Modi content during elections to influence the results.

The employees explicitly wrote and spoke instructions on how to shadow-ban any neutral coverage of Indian elections and promote an anti-Narendra Modi narrative.

https://x.com/TheTreeni/status/1797170010584129873

Who hired them? How did they all have the same ideology and how did they come together? Was their an approval or a suggestion or an order by higher ups to do this while covering their a$$se$? Are these the sole members in charge of the said algorithms?

If 17 people were acting in unision means they were brought together for this purpose.

[triank]

also..

Who hired them? How did they all have the same ideology and how did they come together? Was their an approval or a suggestion or an order by higher ups to do this while covering their a$$se$? Are these the sole members in charge of the said algorithms?

If 17 people were acting in unision means they were brought together for this purpose.

havent been into details of this, but till some years back, iirc, suswamy and few others used to regularly insinuate 'hyderabad cell of YT employees' behind such tactics.

[uddu]

The Invisible Hands
Foreign Interference in Indian Elections 2024
https://thedisinfolab.org/the-invisible-hands/
The full report
https://thedisinfolab.org/wp-content/up ... Report.pdf

[Mukesh.Kumar]

#muslim vote-share percentage bjp vs congress indi alliance exit polls axis india today

Given that NDA and INDI Alliance make up the lion's share of parties, who is these Others who have lost massively. If the numbers are correct, then these in 2019 the numbers in 2019 were NDA 9%,INDI Alliance 52% and Others 39%. Even assuming an electoral population of 15%, that means that Others had 6% of total vote share coming from the community. Which parties are these?

Checking up Wikipedia, the answers seem to be BSP, BJD, AIADMK, YSR, BRS, SAD, AIMIM, DMDK, Bodoland, SUCI, Indian Secular Front et al. TMC(?) maybe. These guys and independents and smaller parties had about 20% of vote share. This data if correct, and shows only for a community, I think the vote share of these parties will come down to 17% nationally because of the loss of votes from this community- at least. If you factor in the share of other community votes lost, then these parties are being marginalized badly.

In effect, I see bad days ahead for BSP, BJD, AIADMK, YSR, BRS, AIMIM and DMDK. TMC will survive because of demographics in Bengal, but it is time for the Centre to take heed of Bengal. TMC cannot be allowed to run amok post election. If finally, Bengali's have called, they need to answer them and not abandon them to a terrible fate under TMC's orgy of violence. Forget, what the ডিম 's (DIM in Bengali means egg) in Calcutta will say. This bhodrolok nonsense has been going on for too long.

Edited: Corrected numbers.

[SRajesh]

Looking at the Future of Bihar:
Will BJP go solo for the assembly or
Will still retain some ghatbandhan with JDU
Now if there is GB, then who will lead JDU given 'Sushanbabu' will politely be told to go and be a Governor of TN or Telangana.
Am I the only one thinking that PK is making all sorts of conciliatory noises vis-a-vis BJP hoping that he will get Deputy CM role with remodelled JDU under his care??

[A_Gupta]

ECI press presentation
https://youtu.be/9CaNw8YFbzs?si=A9_aKMwhlWQD9V1P

[Hari Seldon]

Rumor is Nitish will resign as BH CM and take up a union cabinet post, paving the way for a lotus CM in BH. At long last, vikas can come to BH. The new CM will need to replicate Yogi ji's feat in lesser time and under more pressure, however. Expect RJD goons to create L&O trouble all over on counting day.

[A_Gupta]

Ground reality from ANI
https://youtu.be/EGROduiNSW4?si=xlEQDQtDCM9xyo0M

Two ANI reporters feel that the exit poll exaggerates BJP strength in Karnataka.

[uddu]

Goes like this that the violence is for sure after the results come out and mostly will start from universities in Delhi stating Modi is not our PM or similar lines of sloganeering and will be spread to other universities. Toolkits are said to be ready with Slogans. Mostly they are attempting to do blockade of cities etc with large number of people. Even going to Supreme Court with frivolous cases asking for new govt formation be halted for the time being. Also compares with violence initiated in Israel saying these people who don't have any thoughts and will run riots. The fuel is poured and matchstick is ready to be lit. Also says the countering side is also capable and can throw the matchstick into the water. He is saying the Indian democracy will be fully tested and to be alert.

[Mukesh.Kumar]

Ground reality from ANI
https://youtu.be/EGROduiNSW4?si=xlEQDQtDCM9xyo0M

Two ANI reporters feel that the exit poll exaggerates BJP strength in Karnataka.

I get the feeling to. Let's wait and watch. Only 30 odd hours before the numbers come out.

[Pratyush]

DKS spilling the truth:

"Even Congress Leaders know that INDI Aliiance can't win!"

https://x.com/amarprasadreddy/status/17 ... 8727769185

This is an edited clip. The clip editor has not paid attention to what he is saying.

For all we know DKS was saying, " we don't believe in exit polls. Indi will form the government".

Has been edited it to, " we don't believe, indi will form the government ".

[Mukesh.Kumar]

Ground reality from ANI
https://youtu.be/EGROduiNSW4?si=xlEQDQtDCM9xyo0M

Two ANI reporters feel that the exit poll exaggerates BJP strength in Karnataka.

I get the feeling to. Let's wait and watch. Only 30 odd hours before the numbers come out.

[KL Dubey]

The Axis exit poll data are quite interesting.

All vote share numbers have 3% error bar.

Across all groups NDA is either increasing or holding vote share, except for the greens.

Note the comparison is between the alliances/groups of 2019 (NDA, UPA, others) and 2024 (NDA, INDI, and others).

The "huge gains" for INDI are just redistributions between the erstwhile UPA and Others (nonaligned parties). Many parties not part of UPA are now in INDI.

The INDI alliance has failed, since they have not been able to reduce the NDA vote share.

Most of the INDI parties cannot help each other much since there are hardly any states in which two INDI parties have substantial enough vote share to add up.

In the few such states like KL and WB, they are actually not in alliance and have been fighting each other either officially or unofficially.

[Dasari]

On the day of counting if at any point even initial counting of postal ballot show an edge for Congress or Indi Alliance it will be termed as Opposition victory and later snatched away by Modi. Watch out for this accusation. All the polling stations start to report trends as quickly as possible especially from BJP stronghold areas. Also its best to put out news that the initial half an hour or so its the postal ballots that's getting counted.

Why are they insisting on postal ballots? Why would they be different from exit polls? Did they do some fraud in casting postal ballots?

[triank]

This is an edited clip. The clip editor has not paid attention to what he is saying.

For all we know DKS was saying, " we don't believe in exit polls. Indi will form the government".

Has been edited it to, " we don't believe, indi will form the government ".

yes got to know about this. thanks.

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elvish yadav made a long video exposing dhoort tattee (dhruv rathee):
https://www.opindia.com/2024/06/elvish- ... led-video/

and now easemytrip's co-founder prashant pitti too exposed him in an 11-min long video:
https://x.com/TimesAlgebraIND/status/17 ... 8912313758

and nishant pitti, the other co-founder of easemytrip, his reply to congress on allegations about restarting flight-bookings to maldives:
https://x.com/nishantpitti/status/17968 ... uL7-O0Nbew

[uddu]

Order for 22 Lakhs worth flowers issued. Oath taking on Saturday. At Rashtrapathi Bhavan. Later in the evening after sunset, programs at Kartavyapath

[uddu]

Why are they insisting on postal ballots? Why would they be different from exit polls? Did they do some fraud in casting postal ballots?

What I am saying is that postal ballots being so low and there is a chance for it to be different from the rest of results. So if the counting started and the postal ballots starts showing Congress in lead and this is followed by the initial half an hour of machine counting where the results from states like Kerala/I.N.D.I Alliance states etc start to come showing Congress/alliance Marching ahead, it will be a tool for them to question legitimacy of the election stating that we were leading and our victory got stolen. So if the results start coming from across India just after postal ballots, the possibility for such claims will diminish. I am quoting a possibility. Every trick will be tried tomorrow.
Even there is a possibility that pro Congress channels will try to slow down results from BJP states and create an artificial Congress leading trend which is enough to take the matter to court. Anything is possible tomorrow.

[A_Gupta]

Here is a look how votes, opens new tab are counted and what happens after that.

VOTE COUNTING

Vote counting is decentralised and done simultaneously at counting stations in each of the 543 constituencies around the country.

Counting begins at 8 am (0230 GMT) on June 4 with the tallying of postal ballots that only select groups can use, including people with disabilities, or those involved in essential services including security forces and some government officials
.
After paper ballots, votes recorded in the Electronic Voting Machines (EVM) are counted, which India has used since 2000, moving away from paper ballots for national and state elections.

Along with the electronic record of each vote cast through the EVM, a corresponding paper slip is also produced, which is visible to the voter, and then stored in a sealed box.

The poll watchdog, the Election Commission of India (ECI), counts and verifies these paper slips against electronic votes at five randomly selected polling stations - drawn by lots - in different segments of each constituency.

While critics and some members of civil society, including some political parties, want verification to be done at more booths to increase transparency, the Supreme Court has declined to order any change in the vote-counting process.

The ECI has dismissed allegations that EVMs can be tampered, calling them foolproof.

Results are announced for each constituency as soon as counting is completed. India follows the first-past-the-post system, under which a candidate with the highest number of votes wins, regardless of garnering a majority or not.

Result trends generally become clear by the afternoon of counting day and are flashed on television news networks. The official count from the ECI can come hours later.

After the ECI announces the results for all 543 seats, the president invites the leader of the party, or an alliance, which has more than half the seats to form the government.

The party or coalition with 272 or more seats then chooses a prime minister to lead the government.

https://www.reuters.com/world/india/ind ... 024-05-30/

[A_Gupta]

More detailed description of the counting process. Also mentions rules on postal ballots.

https://www.news18.com/explainers/how-e ... 18695.html

[Mukesh.Kumar]

On the day of counting if at any point even initial counting of postal ballot show an edge for Congress or Indi Alliance it will be termed as Opposition victory and later snatched away by Modi. Watch out for this accusation. All the polling stations start to report trends as quickly as possible especially from BJP stronghold areas. Also its best to put out news that the initial half an hour or so its the postal ballots that's getting counted.

Why are they insisting on postal ballots? Why would they be different from exit polls? Did they do some fraud in casting postal ballots?

Postal ballots are a small fraction and liable to give misleading trends. Any difference will be used by BIF to create a hue and cry that either EVM's are manipulated (if NDA surges ahead), or, majority want INDI Alliance (if NDA share reduces). There are enough piddi's who will not look at numbers and keep parroting this.

One other hunch, they may want to use the postal ballots to see if there are different trends among those who are in Security forces. They have plated enough seeds with their communication on Agniveer.

Who is eligible to vote through postal ballots?
Voters who are eligible to opt for vote through postal ballots include:

Absentee voters: Voters who are unable to vote in person due to reasons such as work commitments, illness, or disability. Senior citizens above 80 years are also included in this category.

Service voters: Members of the armed forces, paramilitary forces, and government employees deployed on election duty away from their home constituencies.

[Pratyush]

Mukesh, you are ascribing too much high level thinking for INDI.

They have animal cunning. Yes. But they don't have any ability to adapt to changing circumstances.

[sanman]

I have a question -- with talk of "One Nation, One Poll" to give synchronized elections for everything, then doesn't it create a huge opportunity for foreign election inteference?

Think about it -- if foreigners then go all-out to meddle in the One Big Poll, then they would gain a huge payoff from it -- a giant jackpot.

Why should we risk this happening?

[Mukesh.Kumar]

Mukesh, you are ascribing too much high level thinking for INDI.

They have animal cunning. Yes. But they don't have any ability to adapt to changing circumstances.

Sirji, khattam ho jaye. This election is too long.

My biggest fear is not the results, but the disinformation that will happen after this. This election I lost three close personal friends who I used to believe were open minded though from vishesh samudaye. Two I know for more than 2 decades and we have spent evenings dissecting religion threadbare over single malts.

The level of brainwashing and unreasonable thought processes they have moved to is damning. I fear what future demographic change will do. Rail as we want against Congi's and RaGa, they aren't the root cause. They are just opportunists who have launched onto a demographic segment that they can ride. Even if they are offstage tomorrow, we will always be fighting with our backs to the wall till we have addressed this 'victim mentality' among RoPers and RoLers. Yes, every country will always have fringe elements, who will play a different game, but here the fringe is large and growing.

My other concern is the younger age cohorts. The numbers bear out what I am hearing speaking to the young voters. They grew up at a time where the family protected them from the excesses of pre 2014. They take for granted the current situation, they don't understand what we fought for. It is here that the BJP has played below it's potential, in creating a soft power story that brings this out. Bollywood, Social Media, books, these have to be written and popularized. Even now, with two of my friend's daughters who went to college last year, both sets of parents had a difficult time in getting their kids to sit down and watch Kerala story. The children were very uncomfortable. We need a soft sell of LKA's, "Garv se kaho hum Hindu hain".

When the communists take over a nation, this is what they do. They use poets, movies, songs, et al to create their own narrative. And we are fighting a global communist conspiracy.