Modeling Geostrategic Dynamics for the Indian Subcontinent

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From Nightwatch on understanding violence in instability problems

March 16 2011

Notes for new analysts: understanding violence in instability problems (Long essay alert)

Internal instability problems are not chaotic, despite the way many people describe them. They move through definable phases that have benchmarks indicating progress in the processes. Violence is a particularly important indicator because it occurs twice, but its significance depends on when it occurs.


Background

Political authority flows back and forth between the government and the opposition, depending on their respective strengths. Usually the government will under-react to the first outbreak of protests. That will start the three phase under-reaction, over-reaction, concession cycle, which characterized government actions in all the Arab states under stress. In Tunisia and Egypt, the Army sided with the protestors for parochial reasons and brought an early end to those crises. Instability persists because no fundamental changes that address the causes of instability have occurred. The unrest is resetting and recycling.


The three-phase cycle enables analysts to track government management of the instability, but its context is the shift in authority between the government and the opposition, represented by the youthful protestors in the Arab world. As the government's authority weakens, the opposition's strengthens. They converge. Right before the division of authority equalizes, either or both sides will resort to violence.

The government will use the army to prevent sharing power with the opposition, which an equal division of authority makes inevitable. The opposition resorts to violence because it judges the government might topple from a violent surge. It is compelled to test the government because that is how the opposition gains authority.

The use of extraordinary armed force always signals that convergence has reached the point that the government fears it will have to share power… and make changes if it fails to fight. This is convergence violence.


Convergence Violence

If there has been no government sharing of authority with the opposition - no power sharing -- before the use of extraordinary force, then the violence is always convergence violence and the government is in grave danger.


This is where Bahrain and Yemen are. Oman has not yet reached that point. In Bahrain, at the end of one three-phase cycle, the Crown Prince offered significant concessions for greater political participation by the Shiite opposition, but which preserved the monarchy. By 8 March, when the opposition started to demand systemic change in the form of a republic, that demand set the condition for a violent crackdown or capitulation by the monarchy. The chronology indicates the monarchy's unsuccessful use of violence in the earlier "over-reaction phase" caused the Shiites to escalate their demands.

In a convergence fight, government force must be overwhelming and must succeed or the government will change for a time, possibly permanently. As early as 21 February, Bahrain's King apparently doubted he had the forces for the task, and asked the Arab monarchs for the Peninsula Shield Forces.

Most governments have no allies willing to add more guns to their side of the fight to prevent further convergence. Bahrain does. It is not clear whether Saudi or UAE forces participated in today's crackdown in Manama. They at least freed up Bahraini forces to enable the government to try to break the protest movement.

The Bahrain monarchy with the backing of the Peninsula Shield Force contributors has raised the stakes substantially, and maybe existentially. If this escalation fails, which it could, the Bahrain government must change. If the monarchy survives a failure, it probably would be as a figurehead or ceremonial head of state.

The Peninsula Shield Forces also carry another dimension of risk because of the linkage to other governments -- Saudi Arabia and UAE plus any other Gulf Cooperation Council contributors. The Peninsula Shield Force makes Bahrain a regional problem. If the Forces fail now, authority will decline in other Arab capitals. The downside of integration is that, if it fails, it threatens to bring down the whole architecture. That consequence suggests the Forces in Bahrain will fight to the last Shiite to prevent the collapse of the monarchy.

If the Forces succeed in routing or deterring protestors or in inducing them to accept the offers of the Crown Prince, then the authority of the monarchy will have been restored. The side with the most or the best guns wins, provided the forces remain loyal and respond to orders. The introduction of outside forces - the Saudi and UAE personnel -also has reduced the likelihood of mass desertions by the Bahraini forces. This is what China did in the Tiananmen massacre at an identical stage of its successful convergence struggle.

Yemen also is in a convergence fight, but it has not yet escalated as Bahrain's has. President Saleh, however, is using violence in a way that is similar to Bahrain. The trend is towards escalating uses of force, but Saleh will be guided by what happens in Bahrain.


Divergence Violence

Leaders in Bahrain and Yemen might have been heartened by Qadhafi's successful counterattacks in Libya. If so, that would be a misread of the Libyan fighting. Qadhafi lost his convergence fight, but is winning a divergence or breakout fight. Two weeks ago, when the rebels took towns just west of Tripoli, they achieved de facto power sharing. Qadhafi had Tripoli and parts of Tripolitania. The Benghazi Council had control of Cyrenaica and was moving into Tripolitania.

Power Sharing and Divergence Violence

The division of authority manifest by a geographical split is a rare form of power sharing, usually associated with secession - fragmentation of the state. But the Benghazi-based rebels went for Tripoli.

Libya has showcased several key points about instability problems. Most important is that the opposition will not win if it does not take the capital, Tripoli in Libya's case. Instability is centripetal because authority and political power reside in the center, which explains the rebels' march into Tripolitania and that the only serious confrontations in Bahrain occur in Manama.

Second, power sharing is relatively quiet. For a short time before the Qadhafi counterattack, there was very limited violence. Qadhafi famously offered talks, almost certainly a ruse to build his forces, but the kind of overture that takes place in power sharing.


Third, it is always temporary, though the length of time varies widely. It is temporary because the parties seek to prepare for a breakout. The breakout need not be violent and might take a long time to develop. Hezbollah demonstrated this in its parliamentary procedural ouster of the Hariri government in Lebanon. It took from 2006 to 2011 for Hezbollah to make its parliamentary breakout that toppled the Hariri coalition.

Even in Lebanon, there was fear of violent street protests. If violence associated with a breakout occurs, it is divergence violence.

Qadhafi began a successful breakout last week. His success may be measured by the distance from Tripoli that Qadhafi's forces are fighting. Divergence violence always happens after there has been de facto or de jure power sharing.

Qadhafi's successful breakout also reinforces the most salient and predictive point of instability. The side with the most and best guns wins. If Benghazi falls in 48 hours, the rebellion is crushed and Qadhafi's authority will be fully stronger than ever…for a time.

To recap, convergence violence, as in Bahrain, means the government is in so much stress that it is resorting to extraordinary means to prevent power sharing. Divergence violence means a party is trying to break out of power sharing to seize control of the government.

Finally, successful convergence or divergence fights are never final solutions, but they can add decades to the longevity of a regime as in Libya and Algeria. Instability always resets and recycles, even if it takes 30 years, until the underlying problems are solved or changed.
We can see this cycle in Andhra Pradesh of long duration cycles of 30 years or so.
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^ This article is a keeper.
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Next part of above analysis;

nightwatch:3/21/2011
Lesson for new analysts: Most often governments are the agents of their own collapse. They interpret requests for modest economic improvements or increases in political participation as challenges to authority and respond in appropriately to these non-threatening challenges.

Inappropriately means governments respond with coercion against protestors whose initial requests were to obtain help in finding jobs or relief in the form of lower, subsidized prices for staple food items. The coercive response is reflexive in authoritarian regimes. However, it also is the point at which economic issues metamorphose into political issues and become a challenge to the authority of the state. The state makes this change happen, not the protestors, in most instances.

It is a critical threshold in the analysis of internal instability that always portends escalation of the confrontation. Governments always have a choice in handling unrest. For example, a congruent response to a request for jobs is a jobs program, not offers of greater political participation or coercion by security forces.
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RamaY, Take a look.

The Five Percent: Finding Solutions to Seemingly Impossible Conflicts

Dr. Peter Coleman and team, Columbia Uty
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Thanks Ramanaji... liked that 3/16 NW model.. should work on it a bit to see if we can extend it to extract some indicators...
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BajKhedawal wrote:I had posted this elsewhere and Ramana gave a few pointers, and redirected me here as well. Please bear in mind compared to heavyweights here; I am like a nanha mujahid writing a 5th grade essay. So I don’t have access to lot of things. But don’t let that hold back your recommendations; I will work with what I can get.


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I will work with you on Social network data. I have exposure to social media tools and practices, this will be fun.

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I would like some of the software experts to come up with a search engine crawler that knows how to extract
- sentiment of the news, that is what is the message from the flood of the data. Eg how frequently some words or descriptor are used to drill down to the core message/concept
- message propogation as to how wide spread and how deeply the message spreads

- influence as to who owns the message where is the message originating
And dispaly all this as its own website.

And display thi on a geographical map like Google locations does.
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Nightwatch 26 July 2011

China-US: In an op-ed piece published in the New York Times on 26 July, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff urged a more open dialogue between the United States and China to build a new era of 'strategic trust' and clear away the 'misunderstanding and suspicion' that defines the relationship between the militaries of the two nations. "A good bit of misunderstanding between our militaries can be cleared up by reaching out to each other," Admiral Mike Mullen wrote.


Comment: The Admiral stated the US point of view but the Chinese point of view is very different. For outreach to work to avoid misunderstanding, the two world views need to be congruent. They are not and are not likely to become so.


In Colin Thubron's tedious book, Shadow of the Silk Road, on pages 48-50 the author relates a conversation with a Chinese friend - an English language professor -- who had become an associate dean at a university in Lanzhou, China. Thubron is fluent in Chinese national language, as well as Russian and several other languages.


The professor told Thubron, "The trouble is this. You can't relate Chinese life in English language. Because nothing really translates. (sic.) Not culture. Not politics or even the everyday. The words don't fit. The concepts aren't there…. The foundation of language is thought. How can we think in English?"


Lesson for new intelligence analysts: The American predilection to believe that everything is possible with good will is peculiar. It is undermined by language as a manifestation of culture, not just Chinese. Outreach and openness cannot by themselves remove misunderstanding and suspicion when the concepts are not translatable.

Cross-cultural understanding is immeasurably difficult. It is a constant trap for new analysts who are tempted to say and actually believe they know how a target person in an alien culture thinks.

Outreach and openness have intensified Chinese suspicions of US intentions and Chinese determination to learn everything they can from the US in order to defend themselves. The professor in Lanzhou also observed that China must become like the US if it is to communicate with the US and the Chinese do not want to change that way.
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^^^
the above shows the thinking behind Evangelical phenomenon. it is a movement designed to bring everybody into their "way" of thinking. basically, delete or remove local/indigenous/dissident "ways" and substitute the sanctioned version.
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The Telegraph story

Math's answer to terror

Looks likes game theory was used to model the US, TSP, India and LeT as independent players. Might be useful to take the comments and use Mesquita's engine. I think Mesquita model will give better granularity in the game.


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Math’s answer to terror
- Research suggests covert action must against Lashkar
G.S. MUDUR

New Delhi, Sept. 11: One of the deadliest terrorist groups on the Indian subcontinent is unlikely to stop its attacks without covert operations and coercive diplomacy by New Delhi and Washington, research by an Indian-American computer scientist suggests.

Using a mathematical tool called game theory, Venkatramana Subrahmanian and his colleagues at the University of Maryland have shown that the Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) can be expected to stop its attacks only if India and the US launch concurrent covert operations against the outfit and coercive diplomacy against Pakistan.

The research represents a movement since 9/11 to apply sophisticated computational tools to analyse the activities of terror groups and predict their behaviour.

Subrahmanian’s team has been studying the LeT, which, according to the US National Counter-Terrorism Centre, has carried out more than 100 attacks since 2004, killing over 700 people. India has implicated the group in several high-profile strikes, including the November 2008 attacks in Mumbai that killed more than 160 people.

“Covert action is a necessary but not sufficient condition for the LeT to show good behaviour,” Subrahmanian told The Telegraph. “Covert action may not be enough — but without it, the LeT is unlikely to change its ways.”

The scientists built a model in which India, America, Pakistan’s military, Pakistan’s civilian government and the LeT are the players. The researchers proposed an array of possible actions for each player and created a payoff matrix, assigning values to the gains and losses made by each. (See chart)

The researchers then analysed the LeT’s possible responses to a huge combination of moves by the other players. Their findings will be presented at an international conference on open-source intelligence in Greece that starts tomorrow.

The analysis has thrown up 13 scenarios in which the LeT eliminates its armed wing. But each of these scenarios requires the US to cut financial support to Pakistan and conduct covert operations to undermine the LeT, and India to carry out covert operations against the LeT and coercive diplomacy against Pakistan.

While intelligence and policy analysts may have debated these options in the past, Subrahmanian says this is the first time such suggestions have emerged from strong mathematics and computer science in a rigorous, reproducible study.

Subrahmanian, who studied at BITS, Pilani, before moving to the US, began using computational tools to study terror groups about two years after 9/11.

“We thought we could track aggregate behaviour and forecast what they might do,” he said.

The analysis has not suggested any specific covert actions against the LeT, but the researchers said the options included disruption of water or electricity supplies to the terror group’s facilities, and capture or assassination of its operatives.

Outlining the options in coercive diplomacy, they said India could threaten to violate the Indus water treaty with Pakistan in response to attacks or launch a diplomatic campaign to isolate Pakistan.

A mathematician and a former intelligence officer, who were not connected with the study, questioned the validity of its results. They argued that this mathematical model was unlikely to capture the enormous complexities of the real world.

“Players’ policies may be multi-dimensional, which can’t be reflected in the model,” said the officer, who requested anonymity.

“The Pakistani military, for example, could be a split house ---- some favouring a crackdown on the LeT and others favouring continuing support.”

He said the model also presumed uni-dimensional US and Indian policies that converged on disarming the LeT. The officer also said the suggestion that India threaten to violate the Indus treaty was “impractical”.


India’s restraint, while at times difficult for its government, has drawn praise in the global arena, he said. “Do we have the staying power if we carry out this threat?” :mrgreen:

However, Subrahmanian believes the model can capture some of the complexities by assigning mixed strategies to the players.

“The computational tools allow a degree of analysis hard to achieve by humans, and these results are intended to be only inputs (for) human experts,” he said.

An Indian mathematician said the model had ignored “street power” in Pakistan.

“We have to ask how the results might look if street power in Pakistan is added as a player,” said Sitabhra Sinha, a researcher studying complex systems at the Institute of Mathematical Sciences, Chennai.

Sinha also pointed out that the values assigned to the payoff matrix were crucial to the outcomes. The study relied on an expert on the LeT and Pakistan, who had no knowledge of game theory, to assign values to the gains and losses in the payoff matrix.

“If someone else assigned different values, the results could change,” Sinha said. The robustness of these results could be tested by creating multiple payoff matrices with different values to the gains and losses, he said.

{Alternatively Monte Carlo assignment of the values can bedone to get better understanding. However for first cut current analysis does give an insight. The more important thing is US based folks are looking at neutering LeT preferably by the TSP itself!}

Subrahmanian said this was “valid criticism” and added that his research team was currently doing just that. His team has just initiated an analysis of the Indian Mujahideen, whose results are expected in early-2012.

The analyses are based on the concept of a Nash equilibrium, an idea proposed by the celebrated economics Nobel laureate John Nash and widely used to analyse outcomes of decisions by multiple players. In a Nash equilibrium, no player can try to increase a payoff without causing a decrease in some other player’s payoff.

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Above mentioned seminar in Greece is called OSINT-WM 2011 in Athens, Greece

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First post;

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 5#p1167645
shiv wrote:
Rudradev wrote: 10) The wisest move for America, if it wants to retain its upper hand at all, is to seize the initiative and establish the NEW paradigm. Deterrence is dead and gone... an entire global system of belief in nuclear "deterrence" that was established by demonstrations at Hiroshima and Nagasaki and followed up with decades of brinkmanship and propaganda. Whatever the new paradigm is... if America wants to dominate the world, America must be the one to define it and establish it. For America to establish this new paradigm, more demonstrations are necessary. More examples need to be made.
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Rudradev's post cannot be dismissed as improbable - in fact I have read a beautiful game theory exception called the "Chain store paradox" which actually supports what he says. It is amazing. I will try and explain - it's all on Wiki so stop reading and look at Wiki if you are put off.

The Chain store game is a scenario where a large chain store group has to start stores one after another in 20 cities. There is a competitor in each city. If the local competitor cooperates both the chain group and competitor get 2 points each. If the local competitor is hostile, the chain store has the option of being aggressive and knocking the other chap out which gives both 0. Or else the local guy gets intimidated and gets 1 and the aggressive Chain Store gets 5 as the local does a downhill ski. Apparently the "correct" way of scoring this game is to reason backwards from thinking what the 20th competitor will do after seeing the chain store getting into 19 earlier cities. He will cooperate because that is his bet pay off.

If this game is applied to nuclear weapons it is like the US has nukes and so does USSR. The US and USSR cooperate not to use nukes and get 2 points each. In most situations the US and USSR cooperated and got 2 points each. The US and China have done the same thing. The US and Korea have done the same thing. It's all "cooperation". The chainstore game seems to be coming true on initial observation. With this game the US cannot dominate despite its superiority. The points and power are shared equally.

But the "chain store paradox" points out that if the chain store decides not to look for cooperation at all and goes hostile in the first few cities - even if they get zero in a few, later cities will understand that this is an aggressive player and their best bet of survival and not getting a zero is to capitulate and get 1 point, giving the aggressive chain store 5 points. That is exactly what happened in the Cuban missile crisis where the US got aggressive and the USSR blinked and backed out.

If the US uses 4-5 low yield "clean" tactical nukes on some selected targets and threatens nuclear annihilation on an adversary like Pakhanastan, the choices faced by the latter are "fight" and get zero points or capitulate and allow the US to win but earn 1 point in the process. That is what Rudradev is saying. Currently the US and Pakistan are at 2 points each with the chain store game working out as stated by game theory. The US's thousands of nuclear weapons do not earn the US any extra advantage over Pakistan with borrowed Chinese weapons.
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ramana wrote:No rush, Will get you help once it gets written.I think you are into something quite interesting in studying behavior of nations and empires.

Once you get your template ready we can have Bji and or Atri look at Indian history and see if the pattern fits.


LINK:
www2.wiwi.hu-berlin.de/wt1/research/2003/reputation.pdf

and theory applied to British relations before WWI

http://journals.cambridge.org/abstract_ ... 0500001698

GWU Article on
Reciprocity and International Relations

Now I understand Gujral Doctrine evoked such curiosity/amusement from Clinton for he knew the game theory says something else. However C-S paradox deals with similar nations, entities. By invoking non-reciprocity Gujral changed the paradigm and shook the Pakis and their backers up leading to the events of late 90s.
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Rudradev wrote:Shiv, thanks for an extremely informative post. Yes, that is essentially what I was trying to say, and I am very intrigued that a game theoretical model already exists to describe it.

When I think about it, the US knew the rewards of playing the aggressive Chain Store (getting 5 points against 1) rather than a cooperative big brother (2 against 2) right from the end of the Cold War. The US actually tried to do this at various places and times of their own choosing. US aggression continued unabated, in the first Gulf War, the Balkan Wars, the 2003 invasion of Iraq and the current situation in Libya (where some of its subsidiary franchises are being encouraged to take the lead.) In this way the US has stayed ahead of China, which has behaved as an aggressive Chain Store in its own immediate neighbourhood for the 5-1 game, but behaved more cooperatively further afield. Only the US is capable of playing the aggressive Chain Store game on other continents, and it has pressed that advantage over China while it still has it.

Note that I do not include AfPak in the list of US' aggressive wars... ironically, that was a war that the Americans would probably not have chosen to fight, and with Pakistan they are still trying to play the 2-points-each cooperative game, though they may soon be compelled to choose another angle.

Rajesh A ji: let us see. I think the "way to go" is a luxury that is not available even to hyperpowers in the current state of affairs; so the best option for the US may be to disown its own prior model of Deterrence (which has already been made a mockery of by the Pakis with Nuclear Insurance.) You mention that for the US to nuke the Haqqanis would be going all the way to the top of the "escalation ladder", but we should ask ourselves, does it still make sense to think in terms of an "escalation ladder" which was essentially a model of Deterrence-based brinkmanship during the Cold War? Many mechanisms were invented by the US as safety-valves during brinkmanship exercises, including clearly publicized signals (the much bandied about DEFCON 5, 4, 3, 2, 1) which were in fact signals that they stood (n-5, n-4, n-3...) rungs away from the top of the escalation ladder. The Pakis have made nonsense of this by using nukes as Insurance to back up their adventurism. They don't HAVE any rungs on their "escalation ladder" lower than, maybe n-1! For them... everything is an existential threat... so they can either climb up to the "nth" rung and use a nuke, or they can be exposed as bluffers. They have painted themselves into the top few rungs of that "ladder", which is something the Soviets never did... the Soviets and Americans always left themselves plenty of room to climb back down. Now it's America's move... and I don't think they can realistically hope to break up Pakistan into smaller states, at least not in the time frame which compels them to respond.

Ramana garu: I had not thought about the Gujral Doctrine in relevance to C-S paradox, but triggered by your post, here is my take on it. Pakistan was a small local store, India a medium-sized local store. India kept reaching out to Pakistan for the "cooperation game" (2 points each) but Pakistan, despite being smaller, insisted on irrational hostility (maybe they actually thought they could achieve a 5-1 win.)

What Gujral did was to take a third option: India, the medium-sized local store, neither gets aggressive nor offers cooperation... but steps out of the way so that the smaller local store (Pakistan) eventually finds itself in direct conflict with the mega-Wal-Mart Chain Store (USA!) THIS was the true point of "non-reciprocity"... to induce overreach in the opponent. Had Gujral not done this, Pakistan's refusal to cooperate and insistence on hostility would have caused attrition (lose-lose) between the Pakistani local store and the Indian local store... ultimately benefiting the Chain Store. This way, even though India has to pay a cost of failing to secure cooperation or retaliate against hostility... the way is clear for the smaller local store and the big Chain Store to come into conflict. Which enables a C-S paradox to take effect.

Intended endgame of the Gujral doctrine: Pakistan capitulates before the US and gets 1 point. India cooperates with the US and gets 2 points. US is forced into playing the aggressive chain store with Pakistan and gets 5 points there, plus 2 points by cooperating with India. However, the net balance of interests precludes US getting aggressive with India for a 5-1 victory, at least until India gets a chance to develop her strength further. Or so we hope.

This also reminds me of an article I read once (wish I could find the link) about Neville Chamberlain's much criticized "capitulation" before Hitler. The author suggested that by doing this, Chamberlain essentially pulled a "Gujral Doctrine" and made it almost inevitable that Germany would come into conflict with the United States (which had been fiercely isolationist under Wilson and his successors.)

Clinton was amused because, why would a PM of India willingly play a Chamberlain before the leaders of a smaller and less powerful country? But today the Americans know why. The irrational party will claim victory over the medium-sized party and go all out to provoke conflict with the Chain Store.

There are huge problems with the Gujral Doctrine approach, of course. Costs have to be borne, and the protagonist (Chamberlain, Gujral) often goes down in history a despised man. Britain ended up fighting Germany anyway, and lost its empire. India too has suffered costs as a result of Gujral Doctrine... Indian intelligence assets in Pakistan, had they not been rolled up, might have at least provided forewarning of Paki terrorist attacks like Parliament 2001 and Mumbai 2008 (if not actually the capacity to retaliate covertly.) The gamble is that, given the irrationality of the opposition and the inevitability of conflict anyway... the costs will eventually prove to have been worth paying.
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ramana wrote:
shiv wrote:
quote="ramana"

Now I understand Gujral non reciprocity doctrine and its impact./quote

Can you expand on this. I am unfamiliar with any details.

Gujral when he became the Minister for External Affairs in Deva Gowda cabinet (United Front) came up with the doctrine of non-reciprocity for SAARC countries. Till then the prevailing view was, that no matter what is the size differential, each state deals with the other states on basis of reciprocity. In other words, US treats Grenada just as it treats Germany!

Gujral stated that India will not demand reciprocity from its smaller neighbors taking into view their size differential and power situation. In other words, India will give unilateral concessions to some good neighbor states without demanding similar concessions. This totally defused the animosity of BD, SL, Himalayan states etc towards India. They had feared India would be a borg and sawllow them into Greater India. He did not apply this to TSP.

Clinton in his meeting with Gujral was amused at this doctrine for it goes against the Western doctrines on Intl Relations which are based on reciprocity.

Ainslee Embree, the US scholar, said this was a hegemonistic doctrine, for if the smaller state accepts Indian non-reciprocity, it is in effect accepting Indian supremacy.

TSP wanted Gujral doctrine benefits without the implied concessions and went to PRC and got delivery systems for the nukes it earlier got and also nurtured the Taliban in their quest for "strategic depth". When they got spurned by US for the Kargil gamble they went into a blue funk and caused the Af-Pak mess.

So while all the states were playing a small game of chain store paradox, India was playing a bigger game of nations.

In retrospect, going back to kgoan's monkey trap analogy, the roles of the monkey (TSP) and 800 pound gorilla (US) got swapped while the monkey now has nukes. The poor (not really for he is harvesting the rest of the garden) mali (India) is letting them confine themselves to the jar.

The gorilla is demanding the mali intervene and let him take out his hand from the Af_Pak jar by restraining the TSP monkey's hand and let the gorilla harvest the garden as a Western God given right.

IOW the jar also got swapped from Cashmere to Af-Pak.

Note Kgoan in last para envisages the monkey trap becoming a gorilla trap where the the US is forced to clean up the Paki mess.

It has come to pass now.
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This also reminds me of an article I read once (wish I could find the link) about Neville Chamberlain's much criticized "capitulation" before Hitler. The author suggested that by doing this, Chamberlain essentially pulled a "Gujral Doctrine" and made it almost inevitable that Germany would come into conflict with the United States (which had been fiercely isolationist under Wilson and his successors.)
Western capitalist countries had supported Hitler for only one reason - to fight USSR - so that both countries could be destroyed. For this conflict to take place, it was important that they shared a border. This was achieved by the partition of Poland between the two countries. Chamberlain 'allowed' the partition of Poland under the 'appeasement doctrine', which should actually be called the 'switch and bait doctrine'.

Germany and USSR tried to subvert this with the Non aggression pact, hoping that it would be sufficient warning to Britain to not wage war against either. And it worked for a while. The 'phony war' period when Germany and Britain tried very hard to avoid a war was a result of that. But when the arch war monger, mass murdering racist sociopath Winston Churchill came to power, he plunged the world into a war and bankrupted the British Empire. It was as a result of the war the Britain needed to ask for American help, and the Americans made the British promise to dismantle its empire in return for its help in beating Germany.

Chamberlain's appeasement policy was not meant to invite US to interfere in European affairs, it was meant to provoke Britain's two main challengers in Europe into fighting a war and destroying themselves and preserve the empire. But in the end, it did exactly the opposite. Men and mice and their plans...
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Interesting posts thanks. This is where sociology and psychology come into their own. Negotiating tactics and what is considered acceptable may vary from society to society.

The US, to me, seems to have played an aggressive chainstore game game with Pakistan on two or three occasions (notably when Amritraj delivered his ultimatum), but by and large entered into what the US presumed would be a relationship of reciprocity with Pakistan. Pakistan always played the reciprocity game somewhat like the game in Figure 4 of ramana's link (http://www.law.gmu.edu/faculty/papers/docs/02-08.pdf) - ie "Divergent Preference game under reciprocity". The US was showing reciprocity while Pakistan was actually not showing reciprocity but was showing a preference for doing things other than what the US expected.

These games result in variable payoffs to both sides - but as ramana points out the US naivete was in expecting a straight 2 points each reciprocity game to be played out by Pakistan. There was never any disincentive to prevent Pakistan from playing a different game because US diplomacy believed that Pakistan was sincere and that the Indians were really stupid gits and the US deliberately overlooked events that clearly showed that Pakistan was showing a "divergent preference" by warring with Inia while pretending to stand solidly behind the US in its wars.
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One Wiki Link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking

There are two competing softwares (expensive for individual use)

i2 Analyst Notebook
and

Sentinel Visualizer

We need a public domain version for use.

Looks like this kind of software would help research students in summarizing their data more meaningfully.

These programs compile and present the data in various forms so one can see the patterns.
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Nightwatch words of wisdom

11 Oct 2011
The resort to moralistic judgments in living systems is a defensive mechanism in response to fear of systemic threat plus uncertainty about the ability to defend against it. Moralistic judgments about the bad behavior of others justify retrenchment, in the form of refusal to take more risk to bail them out.
Recall this maxim while looking back at Indian history. IOW this might expalin the refusal to take back forced conversions.
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ramana wrote:

Gujral when he became the Minister for External Affairs in Deva Gowda cabinet (United Front) came up with the doctrine of non-reciprocity for SAARC countries. Till then the prevailing view was, that no matter what is the size differential, each state deals with the other states on basis of reciprocity. In other words, US treats Grenada just as it treats Germany!

Gujral stated that India will not demand reciprocity from its smaller neighbors taking into view their size differential and power situation. In other words, India will give unilateral concessions to some good neighbor states without demanding similar concessions. This totally defused the animosity of BD, SL, Himalayan states etc towards India. They had feared India would be a borg and sawllow them into Greater India. He did not apply this to TSP.

Clinton in his meeting with Gujral was amused at this doctrine for it goes against the Western doctrines on Intl Relations which are based on reciprocity.

Ainslee Embree, the US scholar, said this was a hegemonistic doctrine, for if the smaller state accepts Indian non-reciprocity, it is in effect accepting Indian supremacy.

TSP wanted Gujral doctrine benefits without the implied concessions and went to PRC and got delivery systems for the nukes it earlier got and also nurtured the Taliban in their quest for "strategic depth". When they got spurned by US for the Kargil gamble they went into a blue funk and caused the Af-Pak mess.

So while all the states were playing a small game of chain store paradox, India was playing a bigger game of nations.

In retrospect, going back to kgoan's monkey trap analogy, the roles of the monkey (TSP) and 800 pound gorilla (US) got swapped while the monkey now has nukes. The poor (not really for he is harvesting the rest of the garden) mali (India) is letting them confine themselves to the jar.

The gorilla is demanding the mali intervene and let him take out his hand from the Af_Pak jar by restraining the TSP monkey's hand and let the gorilla harvest the garden as a Western God given right.

IOW the jar also got swapped from Cashmere to Af-Pak.

Note Kgoan in last para envisages the monkey trap becoming a gorilla trap where the the US is forced to clean up the Paki mess.

It has come to pass now.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rise_of_th ... f_the_Apes
The Rise of the plant of the Apes has similar story how the Gorilla is used by the ape to create ayham and escape from the jail and into the open.
Gorilla inside the cage can be represented by Pakistan. See the movie again and apply all the recent posts to understand what the movies is all about and what it is trying to teach the americans. Check the previous versions of the movies in 1972 and earlier decade to show those periods.


The normal humans are the west and US.
The apes and the gorillas are the rest of the world including the colored people.
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abhischekcc wrote:
Western capitalist countries had supported Hitler for only one reason - to fight USSR - so that both countries could be destroyed. For this conflict to take place, it was important that they shared a border. This was achieved by the partition of Poland between the two countries. Chamberlain 'allowed' the partition of Poland under the 'appeasement doctrine', which should actually be called the 'switch and bait doctrine'.

Germany and USSR tried to subvert this with the Non aggression pact, hoping that it would be sufficient warning to Britain to not wage war against either. And it worked for a while. The 'phony war' period when Germany and Britain tried very hard to avoid a war was a result of that. But when the arch war monger, mass murdering racist sociopath Winston Churchill came to power, he plunged the world into a war and bankrupted the British Empire. It was as a result of the war the Britain needed to ask for American help, and the Americans made the British promise to dismantle its empire in return for its help in beating Germany.

Chamberlain's appeasement policy was not meant to invite US to interfere in European affairs, it was meant to provoke Britain's two main challengers in Europe into fighting a war and destroying themselves and preserve the empire. But in the end, it did exactly the opposite. Men and mice and their plans...
Read Mackinder and how the French, Russians wanted to team up with Japan and cut of British logisitcs to India and the empire by creating a land corridor to India.
This prompted Churchill to create a centrifugal force in Europe to destroy their capacity to compete with Britain and ring Russia into turmoil.
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Paul, Here is the info ont eh other side of the Great Game: Western Yunan

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Great Game in Burma Book Review
The book gives a fascinating account of how the India-China rivalry would shape international politics, particularly in Asia, and how Burma is all set to play a significant role in all this, writes Raghu Dayal

Where China Meets India: Burma and the new crossroads of Asia

Author: Thant Myint-U

Publisher: Faber and Faber

Price: Rs 699

Blending history and travelogue with personal reminiscences, author Thant Myint-U, grandson of former UN Secretary-General U Thant, recounts the strategic location of Burma, linking the most far-flung regions of China and India. In the 16th century, the two countries together formed half the world’s economy. Within a generation this could be the case again, the author says. No wonder, the land where the two countries meet — Burma — gains a pre-eminent position in today’s world.

Currently, China’s presence in Burma is all-pervasive. There was, however, a time in the late 19th and early 20th centuries when, with Burma being firmly part of the Indian empire, India was expanding towards China, not the other way around. Burma guarded India’s eastern flank as a buffer against China as well as against the French, who were then moving up the Mekong river from Saigon. British India saw Tibet as part of its “sphere of influence” and western Yunnan as part of its expanding backyard, which is now an integral part of China.

For most of the past 2,000 years, it was India — not China — which enjoyed a close relationship with South-East Asia. The region was known to Indians as Suvarnabhumi, the ‘Land of Gold’. The overwhelming majority of people in Burma, Thailand, Laos and Cambodia profess Buddhism, and more than 90 per cent of people on the island of Bali in Indonesia are Hindu. Indian classics such as the Ramayana are still popular in South-East Asia.

In the early 20th century, as the author says, Burma enjoyed a higher standard of living than India. As its economy grew, there was a need for labour as well as entrepreneurial and professional skills — all of which came from India. By the 1920s, the influx from India turned Rangoon (now Yangoon) into an Indian city, with the Burmese reduced to a minority. But this world came crashing down; the aerial bombing of Rangoon had hundreds of thousands of Indians flee. The Indian population is now only a fraction of what it once was.

Today, the Chinese model is in the ascendancy in South-East Asia. Burma, too, is being drawn into the Chinese economic orbit. Over the past 20 years, China has emerged as the Burmese Government’s most reliable supporter. Beijing has provided hundreds of millions of dollars worth of military hardware, including planes and tanks, as well as crucial diplomatic protection at the United Nations and elsewhere. The Burmese economy is today tied more closely to China’s than at any other time in modern history.

China was once much worse off than Burma. In the 1930s, Burma’s per capita GDP was at least twice that of China’s. By the 1960s, China had caught up. Today, China’s per capita GDP is at least six-times greater.

There has been an unprecedented migration of ethnic Chinese into Burma. Of about a million strong population in Mandalay, at least a third are now the Chinese. Unrestrained China, “a plundering behemoth” as the author says, is ubiquitous in infrastructure projects, building roads and dams, cutting down teak forests, mining for jade, and selling its own consumer goods. By early 2010, construction had begun on the oil and gas pipelines that would connect China’s southwest across Burma to the Bay of Bengal. They would run from Mandalay past Ruili, first to Yunnan and then to the Guangxi autonomous region and the mega city of Chongqing. Like the huge hydroelectric projects on the Irrawaddy and Salween, these pipelines have a strategic dimension as well — a part of resolving what President Hu Jintao called ‘The Malacca Dilemma’ in 2003.

When the Sino-Burmese borders were first opened up in the late 1980s, the first sign of the new China was the flood of cheap Chinese goods into Burmese markets. By the late 1980s, hundreds of factories sprang up across the frontier, producing goods developed specifically for Burmese consumers. Then came the logging on a gargantuan scale. The forests of Burma’s north and east were mercilessly chopped down. In areas close to Burma more than 95 per cent of forest cover has been cut down over the past 30 years and much of the cleared land turned into rubber plantations. The jade mines of the Kachin Hills were another big attraction. Many endangered species — from snow leopards to rhinos — are hunted and shipped. Women, too, have become a commodity.

Initially, it was the US that became the Burmese military Government’s best friend abroad, providing military training and welcoming its then dictator, General Ne Win, to Washington. China would then call Burma’s generals “fascists” and actively plot the regime’s overthrow. Western sanctions pushed Burma’s ruling junta closer to Beijing and created an unusually privileged conditions for Chinese business. :!: :!:

The book gives a fascinating account of how the Sino-Indian rivalry would shape international politics, particularly in Asia, and how Burma is all set to play a key role in all this.

-The reviewer is Senior Fellow, Asian Institute of Transport Development
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X-posted...
Nightwatch 18 October 2011
Special Comment: NightWatch is a threat analysis commentary based on analytical techniques that were applied successfully for many years in US defense intelligence. That means that the comments that follow are not those of financial analysts.

The threats to the European financial system are systemic, arising from a loss of investor confidence which concerns the financial subsystem of the economy and the inability of debtors to pay their bills which concerns the vitality of the economy itself. The financial subsystem is one of several information subsystems in a nation, which is a processor of information, energy and matter to sustain life. The enforceabilitiy of promises is the foundation of contract law which underpins modern commercial life. Contract law is failing in some sectors of economic activity in Europe and the US.

The potpourri of bank recapitalization, downgrading of sovereign or bank debt and bail out loans reflects the angst of the financial subsystem managers and blends the tools for managing risk, not threat. Those measures do not address stress from systemic economic threat.

Threat is the probability of real damage in a measureable time. Threat arises, in this instance, from the consequence of real damage to the economy by past practices of the financial sector managers and the borrowers themselves.

In international security affairs, the processes for managing threat and for controlling and stabilizing damage are not the same as those for managing risk, which is a hypothetical construct about levels of possible damage. The difference is the difference between possible vs. actual threats, and real damage.

Threat invariably creates crisis which begets actual damage and further escalation. Significant economic damage has already occurred in Europe and the US. The obvious question is what are the damage limitation, damage control, stabilization and normality restoration plans that European and US political and financial leaders are following? These are the stages of crisis management. Thus far, only risk management -- vice crisis management -- proposals appear to be under discussion. No orderly crisis management is apparent on either side of the Atlantic.

In a living system analysis, the financial sector is an information subsystem of the larger economic system that processes information, energy and matter to produce a national economy, the GNP of any state. The financial information system is under stress in Europe, but the energy and matter processing sectors of the European economies have been seriously damaged. Remedies that relieve stress in the financial information systems miscarry as remedies for damage to the energy and matter processing systems.

Bankers and finance ministers do not seem to understand the incongruity. Their focus is on the information system, more than the energy and matter processing systems. They believe that confidence in financial information will result in new stuff. That linkage is tricky and arguably backwards. The normal historic pattern is that innovation in matter and energy production attracts venture capital and success builds investor confidence.

Thus far, the Eurozone parties continue to address risk, but fail to address damage and its multiplier effects on threat. When a solution fails to match a problem, the problem invariably gets worse. As damage grows, the threat of further damage expands, apparently in Malthusian fashion.

What this means is that France and Germany and international bankers, for example, are applying techniques that are mismatched to the underlying problems. They are treating symptoms, not causes. The financial sector is not just at risk, it is under threat because the underlying social economy of multiple European nations has been damaged, which in turn increases the threat to the financial sector, not just the risk.

The result of applying a risk solution to a threat problem is well known: it fails. In this case, the bailout money vanishes in the financial sector; the risks cannot be managed, even by using credit cards to pay credit card bills; the actual debtors will remain unable to pay and they will begin to agitate for systemic changes. This sequence is a no brainer. It leads to revolution.
Also applies to US economy too a large extent.
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Nightwatch 20 October 2011
South Korea: The South Korean armed forces will hold an annual countrywide exercise from 27 October to 4 November, involving all branches of the military to improve defense against North Korean threats, according to a public statement by the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The "Hoguk Exercise" will aim to enhance joint combat capabilities and interoperability and will include drills for defense of islands in the Yellow Sea. South Korean and U.S. forces will also hold a joint drill.


Comment: Curiously, every time the US has established contact with North Korea this year, the South Koreans seem to have a simultaneous military exercise of some kind ready to hand. The South Korean message is actually quite clear.


The US must not make unilateral agreements with North Korea. That era of that kind of high-handedness ended when South Korean-made cars became successful competitors to Japanese and US-made cars.


The US stable of diplomats for dealing with North Korea seem only dimly aware that time for bilateral deals is over, except in the minds of North Korean leaders. Bilateral deals are precisely what they want in order to aggravate frictions in the Alliance. Every new US administration falls for the same old North Korean ruses.


The Koreans can solve Korean problems if the US will just back its Ally and "lead from behind." Some US diplomats for northeast Asia seem to lack the insight that Us Allies in northeast Asia have matured. Put another way, some Americans can't tolerate the consequences of policy success.


"Inside the Ring" today clarified that the change in the head of the US delegation for talks with North Korea next week resulted from Ambassador Bosworth's criticism that the US has no strategy and no coherent policy for dealing with North Korea. That should be a reassuring message to Readers because that is what NightWatch has reported based only on public information and the inferences it supported.


NightWatch observed that a change in the head of delegation meant a change in policy. NightWatch should have suggested another, hard to imagine, alternative, that it might indicate the absence of a policy or policy disarray. We gave the US administration's northeast Asia people more credit than they deserved, apparently.


The lesson to analysts is that a change of the head of delegation does always means a change of policy or tactics, but sometimes the policy change is free fall, talk for the sake of talking with the hope that something will emerge.
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The Political Economy of Opium Smuggling in Early Nineteenth Century India: Leakage or Resistance?
CLAUDE MARKOVITS (2009)
Modern Asian Studies, , Volume 43, Issue 01 , January 2009 pp 89-111
http://journals.cambridge.org/abstract_ ... 9X07003344
seems like a very interesting topic for investigation. the role of Drug trafficking and "criminal" trading networks from Afghanistan to SE Asia was discussed recently. the article is not for free but the abstract is very interesting.
This article looks at the political economy of opium smuggling in India in the first decades of the nineteenth century, in particular in relation to Sindh, one of the last independent polities in the subcontinent. After a description of the smuggling of 'Malwa' opium (grown in the princely states of Central India) into China--in defiance of the monopoly of the East India Company over 'Bengal' or 'Patna' opium, grown in Bihar--it considers the role of Indian merchants and capitalists in its emergence and development, and critiques the argument put forward in a recent book by Amar Farooqi that it represented both a form of 'subversion' and that it contributed decisively to capital accumulation in Western India. This article concludes by analysing the role of the opium trade in integrating Sindh into the British imperial trading system, arguing that it was more effective in boosting Empire than in nurturing indigenous capitalism in India.
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http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2 ... 1_3608.pdf

some important data points on British control and management of Opium interests for centuries.
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Devesh, So that explains Charles Napier annexing Sindh in the early 19th century. He is claimed ot have said "Peccavi!" or in English "I have sinned!" So by annexing Sindh, the English were takeing over the supply chain. Can you post it in the distorted history thread for completeness along with this?
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sure, I'll cross post it.
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http://en.trend.az/regions/casia/tajiki ... 40239.html

Tajikistan officially cedes part of its territory to China
"China Expands 1,158 Square Kilometers West" by Tom Hancock posted on AsinCorrespondnet.com on October 2 notes that China's total land area grew by 1,158 square kilometers as the country's border with neighboring Tajikistan was formally redrawn. As a result of the transfer, which took place on the far-western edge of China, Tajikistan's total land area has reportedly decreased by 1%, Asia-Plus reported.

A Chinese military newspaper was cited as reporting that a ceremony was reportedly held on September 20 at a newly installed border marker and representatives from the Tajik and Chinese militaries exchanged gifts.

"The land transferred contains part of the Pamir mountain range, which crosses several Central Asian countries. The mountains were considered a strategic section of the silk route, as they allowed access to modern-day Afghanistan and Pakistan.

"China and Tajikistan agreed to the land transfer in January this year. The land handed to the Chinese covers only 5.5% of the land that Beijing originally sought ( :eek: ), the Tajik foreign minister said. China is the biggest investor in the Tajik economy, particularly in the energy and infrastructure sectors, the BBC reported.

"Tajikistan is one of several Central Asian republics sharing a border with China. Last year, Kazhakstan rejected a proposal to lease a million hectares of land along its border to China for soybean farming.

"Several commentators on Chinese microblogging service Sina Weibo mentioned that the handover ceremony was held on October 1st, China's National Day.

"The timing must have been deliberate," Hu Xijin, editor of China's Global Times newspaper commented on his microblog. In fact, the ceremony was held 10 days previously, but does not seem to have been reported by Chinese media until October 1."
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http://www.mojnews.com/en/Miscellaneous ... s&r=853195

Iran-China Railway Corridor to be Established Soon
Deputy Secretary General of ECO, Altaf Asghar, announced of feasibility studies to establish new corridor between ECO member states adding that in near future, Iran-China railway corridor will be lunched.

The remarks was made during a meeting between Altaf and governor general of Iranian city of Hormozgan, Tajikistan's ambassador in Iran and a number of ECO's economic representatives. The meeting was held on Hormozgan, today.
Addressing the meeting, Altaf Asghar referred to a new railway corridor connecting Iran to China via Afghanistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan saying the corridor will be launched in near future and it make huge developments in economic and commercial interactions between ECO member states.
"Iran donated $1 million to ECO for feasibility studies of the corridor," he said adding that "once the studies are finished by Tajikistan's Metra Company, the establishment and building of the railways will be started by the cooperation of the five mentioned countries."
He referred to Islamabad-Tehran-Istanbul container train adding that since the train was warmly welcomed by ECO private sectors, the services of the train increased from once a month to twice.
"Along with Islamabad-Tehran-Istanbul railway, the road corridor between the three countries has been launched, as well," Asghar added.
He also announced of an agreement made between Iran, Azerbaijan, Turkey and Kyrgyzstan to launch a financial transit mechanism between the traders of the 4 countries.
"The mechanism will be officially run between the foru countries within the next few months," Asghar said.
He invited Tajikistan to join the plan.
He also referred to Bandar Abbas-Almaty train to be launched today saying that the service is a new step in North-South corridor.


wtf? at this rate, even if India and Russia do wake up, it might be too late by then. the East-West flow going up leaps and bounds, while the North-South flow gets blocked.

China + Islamic Block are making an alliance with vast shared interests. at some point, this alliance will turn on India and kick Russia out of Caucasus and CA.

Brihaspati ji's observation was very astute: Russia and India need to wake up from Cold War coziness.
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"China and Tajikistan agreed to the land transfer in January this year. The land handed to the Chinese covers only 5.5% of the land that Beijing originally sought ( ), the Tajik foreign minister said. China is the biggest investor in the Tajik economy, particularly in the energy and infrastructure sectors, the BBC reported.
Interesting information.

More than a year ago when I was debating with RayC garu, several seniors felt that ECONOMY is more important than TERRITORY. We see a different trend here. China buying (indirectly of course) territory in return for economic goodies.

Money can be created (as US Fed demonstrates again and again) but territory doesn't come cheap - unless there is a war.
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RamaY wrote:
"China and Tajikistan agreed to the land transfer in January this year. The land handed to the Chinese covers only 5.5% of the land that Beijing originally sought ( ), the Tajik foreign minister said. China is the biggest investor in the Tajik economy, particularly in the energy and infrastructure sectors, the BBC reported.
Interesting information.

More than a year ago when I was debating with RayC garu, several seniors felt that ECONOMY is more important than TERRITORY. We see a different trend here. China buying (indirectly of course) territory in return for economic goodies.

Money can be created (as US Fed demonstrates again and again) but territory doesn't come cheap - unless there is a war.
No, those arguing for "economy first" were only trying to show that even to achieve that buying power one must achieve the "economic power" of China. But then the Chinese managed such "growth" through totalitarian management of investment and labour - a radical state capitalist strategy - with a communist party in totalitarian control of the state. A lot of that initial growth was also linked to the Mao-Nixon nexus. I am not sure that those arguing for "economy first" would accept all that background framework either.
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brihaspati wrote:
No, those arguing for "economy first" were only trying to show that even to achieve that buying power one must achieve the "economic power" of China. But then the Chinese managed such "growth" through totalitarian management of investment and labour - a radical state capitalist strategy - with a communist party in totalitarian control of the state. A lot of that initial growth was also linked to the Mao-Nixon nexus. I am not sure that those arguing for "economy first" would accept all that background framework either.
This China strategy was created by Nixon-HK combination.
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True. The question is that a part of those who try to turn China's territorial expansion using its economic muscle in support of their advocacy for "economic growth first onlee" strategy,

(1) carefully ignore the military-muscular push underlying or in parallel in Chinese actions
(2) try to represent such "expansive" capacity purely as following "after" super economic growth
(3) ignore the circumstances of the starting point of the "growth", the political scenario behind that growth in the US strategy of isolating USSR,
(4) the totalitarian control by the CPC of the state - and its radical capitalist strategy of state controlled investment and labour, manipulation of non-floating exchange-rate.
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Devesh,This thread is for information that helps model the topic and not for just information that leads to disucssion. Please post in the other threads. Thanks, ramana

Others please dont continue there.
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brihaspati wrote:True. The question is that a part of those who try to turn China's territorial expansion using its economic muscle in support of their advocacy for "economic growth first onlee" strategy,

(1) carefully ignore the military-muscular push underlying or in parallel in Chinese actions
(2) try to represent such "expansive" capacity purely as following "after" super economic growth
(3) ignore the circumstances of the starting point of the "growth", the political scenario behind that growth in the US strategy of isolating USSR,
(4) the totalitarian control by the CPC of the state - and its radical capitalist strategy of state controlled investment and labour, manipulation of non-floating exchange-rate.
SO this is a uniqe hydra headed creature which is expanding by eating land and expanding its economy worldwide.
The entire world 6 B population is buying product from this creature.

The Economy vs mil is not a correct argument and we know that. Mil expansion can assist in economic expansion which is normal in most countries. In India it is skewed up and hence the confusion among the posters thinking that it is a zero sum game
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Wise words on living systems with examples:

Nightwatch 10 Nov 2011
Comment: The gravity of the financial crisis and the threat of a ripple effect are highlighted by the occurrence of even informal discussions about shrinking the European Union. In studying violent political instability, living systems under stress always contract. The government reduces the volume, quality and frequency of services it provides and the geographic area over which it provides them in order to reach a sustainable position short of collapsing. It tries to find a set of lines it can hold to avoid collapse and to prepare for returning to normality.

Contraction may be understood as the first step in a process whose ultimate end state is organizational or systemic collapse. Collapse is not inevitable, but more frequent than recovery in instability case studies. Recovery almost always requires significant outside intervention of some sort, such as a surge, and even that might only provide temporary relief from the stress that caused the shrinking.

{Apply this to TSP and see where it is contracting. Its obvious that US aid is the outside intervention that is keeping the system alive on life support.}

A contraction of the EU in this financial crisis would parallel the behavior of governments experiencing violent internal instability, such the insurgency in Afghanistan or the opposition uprising in Syria. In both countries, the government's ability to provide public services has contracted under violent stress. In Afghanistan the US troop surge has provided temporary relief in some areas, but is not a permanent solution.

The Greek bailout is a surge that has proved inadequate to stop the financial crisis or keep it from spreading. The increase in bond yields represents one aspect of shrinkage, of credit worthiness.

This is not a prediction of EU collapse or Italian collapse, but it is a warning that long experience shows that once living systems begin to contract they seldom recover on their own and might not even with outside help. Financial systems also are living systems.
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Acharya wrote:
brihaspati wrote:True. The question is that a part of those who try to turn China's territorial expansion using its economic muscle in support of their advocacy for "economic growth first onlee" strategy,

(1) carefully ignore the military-muscular push underlying or in parallel in Chinese actions
(2) try to represent such "expansive" capacity purely as following "after" super economic growth
(3) ignore the circumstances of the starting point of the "growth", the political scenario behind that growth in the US strategy of isolating USSR,
(4) the totalitarian control by the CPC of the state - and its radical capitalist strategy of state controlled investment and labour, manipulation of non-floating exchange-rate.
SO this is a uniqe hydra headed creature which is expanding by eating land and expanding its economy worldwide.
The entire world 6 B population is buying product from this creature.

The Economy vs mil is not a correct argument and we know that. Mil expansion can assist in economic expansion which is normal in most countries. In India it is skewed up and hence the confusion among the posters thinking that it is a zero sum game

The Indian mercantile class is making the same short term trade-offs by turning a blind eye to China's land gobble in India in exchange for short term profits. It is a very dangerous trend. A webtools savvy BRFite could show how China's landmass has expanded since the cultural revolution.
As Acharya said, this is a mutant entity. This is not China of old but a new model of an industrial economy gobbling up everything in it's path. It's most natural partner is actually the US because the US does not face a territorial or existential threat from China. They can turn off the taps if required. It makes natural sense for the western imperialists to foist such an entity in the heartland of the civilizations it wishes to control and homogenize
- India
- Japan
- South East Asia
- Russia

Any sort of war that this mutant entity wages will be of advantage to the western imperialists. The only way India can counter this danger is
- subduing it's mercantile class which is controlling the discourse and shrinking the country and selling it's assets - for all those Modi fans out there, these are the interests Modi represented in China. This is very dangerous
- bulking up defense and fighting proxy wars in regions surrounding china - creating strategic alliances to control this disease.

Tajikistan made a strategic mistake because this mutant will not stop at 5%. They will claim much more land. Like a man eating tiger they have tasted blood.
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Two RAND papers on Propaganda Analysis during WWII;

Predicting Political Action by Analysis

Scientific Status of Propaganda Analysis

Interesting work. First paper talks about how to use opponent press statements/propaganda to infer their course of action
Second paper tries to provide a rationale for why it works.

Four years later a book "Propaganda Analysis" was written by the author Alexander George.

I think this is the standard tool for analysing govt statements by academia.
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A talk by Philip Tetlock and Dan Gardner on why Experts get things wrong:
Overcoming Our Aversion to Acknowledging Our Ignorance

by Dan Gardner and Philip Tetlock
Lead Essay
July 11th, 2011

Each December, The Economist forecasts the coming year in a special issue called The World in Whatever-The-Next-Year-Is. It’s avidly read around the world. But then, like most forecasts, it’s forgotten.

The editors may regret that short shelf-life some years, but surely not this one. Even now, only halfway through the year, The World in 2011 bears little resemblance to the world in 2011. Of the political turmoil in the Middle East—the revolutionary movements in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Yemen, Bahrain, and Syria—we find no hint in The Economist‘s forecast. Nor do we find a word about the earthquake/tsunami and consequent disasters in Japan or the spillover effects on the viability of nuclear power around the world. Or the killing of Osama bin Laden and the spillover effects for al Qaeda and Pakistani and Afghan politics. So each of the top three global events of the first half of 2011 were as unforeseen by The Economist as the next great asteroid strike.

This is not to mock The Economist, which has an unusually deep bench of well-connected observers and analytical talent. A vast array of other individuals and organizations issued forecasts for 2011 and none, to the best of our knowledge, correctly predicted the top three global events of the first half of the year. None predicted two of the events. Or even one. No doubt, there are sporadic exceptions of which we’re unaware. So many pundits make so many predictions that a few are bound to be bull’s eyes. But it is a fact that almost all the best and brightest—in governments, universities, corporations, and intelligence agencies—were taken by surprise. Repeatedly.

That is all too typical. Despite massive investments of money, effort, and ingenuity, our ability to predict human affairs is impressive only in its mediocrity. With metronomic regularity, what is expected does not come to pass, while what isn’t, does.

In the most comprehensive analysis of expert prediction ever conducted, Philip Tetlock assembled a group of some 280 anonymous volunteers—economists, political scientists, intelligence analysts, journalists—whose work involved forecasting to some degree or other. These experts were then asked about a wide array of subjects. Will inflation rise, fall, or stay the same? Will the presidential election be won by a Republican or Democrat? Will there be open war on the Korean peninsula? Time frames varied. So did the relative turbulence of the moment when the questions were asked, as the experiment went on for years. In all, the experts made some 28,000 predictions. Time passed, the veracity of the predictions was determined, the data analyzed, and the average expert’s forecasts were revealed to be only slightly more accurate than random guessing—or, to put more harshly, only a bit better than the proverbial dart-throwing chimpanzee. And the average expert performed slightly worse than a still more mindless competition: simple extrapolation algorithms that automatically predicted more of the same.

Cynics resonate to these results and sometimes cite them to justify a stance of populist know-nothingism. But we would be wrong to stop there, because Tetlock also discovered that the experts could be divided roughly into two overlapping yet statistically distinguishable groups. One group would actually have been beaten rather soundly even by the chimp, not to mention the more formidable extrapolation algorithm. The other would have beaten the chimp and sometimes even the extrapolation algorithm, although not by a wide margin.

One could say that this latter cluster of experts had real predictive insight, however modest. What distinguished the two groups was not political ideology, qualifications, access to classified information, or any of the other factors one might think would make a difference. What mattered was the style of thinking.

One group of experts tended to use one analytical tool in many different domains; they preferred keeping their analysis simple and elegant by minimizing “distractions.” These experts zeroed in on only essential information, and they were unusually confident—they were far more likely to say something is “certain” or “impossible.” In explaining their forecasts, they often built up a lot of intellectual momentum in favor of their preferred conclusions. For instance, they were more likely to say “moreover” than “however.”

The other lot used a wide assortment of analytical tools, sought out information from diverse sources, were comfortable with complexity and uncertainty, and were much less sure of themselves—they tended to talk in terms of possibilities and probabilities and were often happy to say “maybe.” In explaining their forecasts, they frequently shifted intellectual gears, sprinkling their speech with transition markers such as “although,” “but,” and “however.”

Using terms drawn from a scrap of ancient Greek poetry, the philosopher Isaiah Berlin once noted how, in the world of knowledge, “the fox knows many things but the hedgehog knows one big thing.” Drawing on this ancient insight, Tetlock dubbed the two camps hedgehogs and foxes.

The experts with modest but real predictive insight were the foxes. The experts whose self-concepts of what they could deliver were out of alignment with reality were the hedgehogs.

It’s important to acknowledge that this experiment involved individuals making subjective judgements in isolation, which is hardly the ideal forecasting method. People can easily do better, as the Tetlock experiment demonstrated, by applying formal statistical models to the prediction tasks. These models out-performed all comers: chimpanzees, extrapolation algorithms, hedgehogs, and foxes

But as we have surely learned by now—please repeat the words “Long Term Capital Management”—even the most sophisticated algorithms have an unfortunate tendency to work well until they don’t, which goes some way to explaining economists’ nearly perfect failure to predict recessions, political scientists’ talent for being blindsided by revolutions, and fund managers’ prodigious ability to lose spectacular quantities of cash with startling speed. It also helps explain why so many forecasters end the working day with a stiff shot of humility.

Is this really the best we can do? The honest answer is that nobody really knows how much room there is for systematic improvement. And, given the magnitude of the stakes, the depth of our ignorance is surprising. Every year, corporations and governments spend staggering amounts of money on forecasting and one might think they would be keenly interested in determining the worth of their purchases and ensuring they are the very best available. But most aren’t. They spend little or nothing analyzing the accuracy of forecasts and not much more on research to develop and compare forecasting methods. Some even persist in using forecasts that are manifestly unreliable, an attitude encountered by the future Nobel laureate Kenneth Arrow when he was a young statistician during the Second World War. When Arrow discovered that month-long weather forecasts used by the army were worthless, he warned his superiors against using them. He was rebuffed. “The Commanding General is well aware the forecasts are no good,” he was told. “However, he needs them for planning purposes.”

This widespread lack of curiosity—lack of interest in thinking about how we think about possible futures—is a phenomenon worthy of investigation in its own right. Fortunately, however, there are pockets of organizational open-mindedness. Consider a major new research project funded by the Intelligence Advanced Research Projects Activity, a branch of the intelligence community.

In an unprecedented “forecasting tournament,” five teams will compete to see who can most accurately predict future political and economic developments. One of the five is Tetlock’s “Good Judgment” Team, which will measure individual differences in thinking styles among 2,400 volunteers (e.g., fox versus hedgehog) and then assign volunteers to experimental conditions designed to encourage alternative problem-solving approaches to forecasting problems. The volunteers will then make individual forecasts which statisticians will aggregate in various ways in pursuit of optimal combinations of perspectives. It’s hoped that combining superior styles of thinking with the famous “wisdom of crowds” will significantly boost forecast accuracy beyond the untutored control groups of forecasters who are left to fend for themselves.

Other teams will use different methods, including prediction markets and Bayesian networks, but all the results will be directly comparable, and so, with a little luck, we will learn more about which methods work better and under what conditions. This sort of research holds out the promise of improving our ability to peer into the future.

But only to some extent, unfortunately. Natural science has discovered in the past half-century that the dream of ever-growing predictive mastery of a deterministic universe may well be just that, a dream. There increasingly appear to be fundamental limits to what we can ever hope to predict. Take the earthquake in Japan. Once upon a time, scientists were confident that as their understanding of geology advanced, so would their ability to predict such disasters. No longer. As with so many natural phenomena, earthquakes are the product of what scientists call “complex systems,” or systems which are more than the sum of their parts. Complex systems are often stable not because there is nothing going on within them but because they contain many dynamic forces pushing against each other in just the right combination to keep everything in place. The stability produced by these interlocking forces can often withstand shocks but even a tiny change in some internal conditional at just the right spot and just the right moment can throw off the internal forces just enough to destabilize the system—and the ground beneath our feet that has been so stable for so long suddenly buckles and heaves in the violent spasm we call an earthquake. Barring new insights that shatter existing paradigms, it will forever be impossible to make time-and-place predictions in such complex systems. The best we can hope to do is get a sense of the probabilities involved. And even that is a tall order.

Human systems like economies are complex systems, with all that entails. And bear in mind that human systems are not made of sand, rock, snowflakes, and the other stuff that behaves so unpredictably in natural systems. They’re made of people: self-aware beings who see, think, talk, and attempt to predict each other’s behavior—and who are continually adapting to each other’s efforts to predict each other’s behavior, adding layer after layer of new calculations and new complexity. All this adds new barriers to accurate prediction.

When governments the world over were surprised by this year’s events in the Middle East, accusing fingers were pointed at intelligence agencies. Why hadn’t they seen it coming? “We are not clairvoyant,” James R. Clapper Jr, director of national intelligence, told a hearing of the House intelligence committee. Analysts were well aware that forces capable of generating unrest were present in Tunisia, Egypt, and elsewhere. They said so often. But those forces had been present for years, even decades. “Specific triggers for how and when instability would lead to the collapse of various regimes cannot always be known or predicted,” Clapper said.

That is a considerable understatement. Remember that it was a single suicidal protest by a lone Tunisian fruit seller that set off the tumult, just as an infinitesimal shift can apparently precipitate an earthquake. But even after the unrest had begun, predicting what would follow and how it would conclude was a fool’s errand because events were contingent on the choices of millions of people, and those choices were contingent on perceptions that could and did change constantly. Say you’re an Egyptian. You’re in Cairo. You want to go to the protest but you’re afraid. If you go and others don’t, the protest will fail. You may be arrested and tortured. But if everyone goes, you will have safety in numbers and be much likelier to win the day. Perhaps. It’s also possible that a massive turnout will make the government desperate enough to order soldiers to open fire. Which the soldiers may or may not do, depending in part on whether they perceive the government or the protestors to have the upper hand. In this atmosphere, rumors and emotions surge through the population like electric charges. Excitement gives way to terror in an instant. Despair to hope. And back again. What will people do? How will the government react? Nothing is certain until it happens. And then many pundits declare whatever happened was inevitable. Indeed, they saw it coming all along, or so they believe in hindsight.

So we are not blind but there are serious limits to how far we can see. Weather forecasting is a useful model to keep in mind. We joke about weather forecasters but they have some good mental habits we should all practice: making explicit predictions and revising them in response to clear timely feedback. The net result is that weather forecasters are one of the best calibrated of all professional groups studied—up there with professional bridge players. They have a good sense for what they do and do not know.

But well calibrated does not mean omniscient. As weather forecasters well know, their accuracy extends out only a few days. Three or four days out, they are less accurate. Beyond a week, you might as well flip a coin. As scientists learn more about weather, and computing power and sophistication grow, this forecasting horizon may be pushed out somewhat, but there will always be a point beyond which meteorologists cannot see, even in theory.

We call this phenomenon the diminishing marginal predictive returns of knowledge.
In political and economic forecasting, we reach the inflection point surprisingly quickly. It lies in the vicinity of attentive readers of high-quality news outlets, such as The Economist. The predictive value added of Ph.Ds, tenured professorships and Nobel Prizes is not zero but it is disconcertingly close to zero.

So we should be suspicious of pundits waving credentials and adopt the old trust-but-verify mantra: test the accuracy of forecasts and continually be on the lookout for new methods that improve results. We must also accept that even if we were to do this on a grand scale, and our forecasts were to become as accurate as we can possibly make them, there would still be failure, uncertainty, and surprise. And The World In Whatever-The-Next-Year-Is would continue to look quite different from the world in whatever the next year is.

It follows that we also need to give greater consideration to living with failure, uncertainty, and surprise.

Designing for resiliency is essential, as New Zealanders discovered in February when a major earthquake struck Christchurch. 181 people were killed. When a somewhat larger earthquake struck Haiti in 2010, it killed hundreds of thousands. The difference? New Zealand’s infrastructure was designed and constructed to withstand an earthquake, whenever it might come. Haiti’s wasn’t.

Earthquakes are among the least surprising surprises, however. The bigger test is the truly unexpected shock. That’s when the capacity to respond is critical, as Canada demonstrated following the financial meltdown of 2008. For a decade prior to 2008, Canada’s federal government ran budgetary surpluses and used much of that money to pay down accumulated debt. When the disaster struck, the economy tipped into recession, and the government responded with an array of expensive policies. The budget went into deficit, and the debt-to-GDP ratio rose, but by both measures Canada continued to be in far better shape than most other developed countries. If further shocks come in the immediate future, Canada has plenty of capacity to respond—unlike the United States and the many other countries that did not spend a decade strengthening their fiscal foundations.

Accepting that our foresight will always be myopic also calls for decentralized decision-making and a proliferation of small-scale experimentation. Test the way forward, gingerly, one cautious step at a time. “Cross the river by feeling for the stones,” as the wily Deng Xiaoping famously said about China’s economic liberalization. Only madmen are sure they know what the future holds; only madmen take great leaps forward.

There’s nothing terribly controversial in this advice. Indeed, it’s standard stuff in any discussion of forecasting and uncertainty. But critical caveats are seldom mentioned.

There’s the matter of marginal returns, for one. As with most things in life, the first steps in improving forecasting are the easiest and cheapest. It doesn’t take a lot of analysis to realize that goats’ entrails and tea leaves do a very poor job of weather forecasting, and it takes only a little more analysis to discover that meteorologists’ forecasts are much better, and that switching from the former to the latter makes sense even though the latter costs more than the former. But as we make further advances in weather forecasting, we are likely to find that each incremental improvement will be harder than the last, delivering less benefit at greater cost. So when do we say that further advances aren’t worth it?

The same is true of resiliency. Tokyo skyscrapers are built to the highest standards of earthquake resistance because it is close to certain that in their lifespan they will be tested by a major earthquake. Other skyscrapers in other cities not so prone to earthquakes could be built to the same standards but that would raise the cost of construction substantially. Is that worth doing? And if we accept a lower standard, how high is enough? And what about all the other low-probability, high-impact events that could strike? We could spend a few trillion dollars building a string of orbital defences against killer asteroids. If that seems like a waste, what about the few hundred million dollars it would take to spot and track most asteroids? That may seem like a more reasonable proposition, but remember that some asteroids are likely to escape our notice. Not to mention comets. Or the many other shocks the universe could conceivably hurl at us. There’s no limit to what we can spend preparing for unpleasant surprises, so how much is enough?

And notice what we have to do the moment we try to answer a question like, “is it worth constructing this skyscraper so it is more resistant to major earthquakes?” The answer depends on many factors but the most important is the likelihood that the skyscraper will ever have to resist a major earthquake. Happily, we’re good at determining earthquake probabilities. Less happily, we’re far from perfect. One reason why the Japanese disaster was so devastating is that an earthquake of such magnitude wasn’t expected where it occurred. Even less happily, we’re far better at determining earthquake probabilities than countless other important phenomena we want and need to forecast. Energy supplies. Recessions. Revolutions. There’s a very long list of important matters about which we really have no choice but to make probability judgements even though the evidence suggests our methods aren’t working a whole lot better than goats’ entrails and tea leaves.

The optimist thinks that’s fabulous because it means there’s lots of room for improvement. The pessimist stockpiles dry goods and ammunition. They both have a point.

The optimists are right that there is much we can do at a cost that is quite modest relative to what is often at stake. For example, why not build on the IARPA tournament? Imagine a system for recording and judging forecasts. Imagine running tallies of forecasters’ accuracy rates. Imagine advocates on either side of a policy debate specifying in advance precisely what outcomes their desired approach is expected to produce, the evidence that will settle whether it has done so, and the conditions under which participants would agree to say “I was wrong.” Imagine pundits being held to account. Of course arbitration only works if the arbiter is universally respected and it would be an enormous challenge to create an analytical center whose judgments were not only fair, but perceived to be fair even by partisans dead sure they are right and the other guys are wrong. But think of the potential of such a system to improve the signal-to-noise ratio, to sharpen public debate, to shift attention from blowhards to experts worthy of an audience, and to improve public policy. At a minimum, it would highlight how often our forecasts and expectations fail, and if that were to deflate the bloated confidence of experts and leaders, and give pause to those preparing some “great leap forward,” it would be money well spent.

But the pessimists are right, too, that fallibility, error, and tragedy are permanent conditions of our existence. Humility is in order, or, as Socrates said, the beginning of wisdom is the admission of ignorance. The Socratic message has always been a hard sell, and it still is—especially among practical people in business and politics, who expect every presentation to end with a single slide consisting of five bullet points labeled “The Solution.”

We have no such slide, unfortunately. But in defense of Socrates, humility is the foundation of the fox style of thinking and much research suggests it is an essential component of good judgment in our uncertain world. It is practical. Over the long term, it yields better calibrated probability judgments, which should help you affix more realistic odds than your competitors on policy bets panning out.

Humble works. Or it is at least superior to the alternative.
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And Bruce Beuno De Mesquita's rejoinder:

Fox-Hedging or Knowing one big way to know many things


On BRF we try for this Fox Hedging in our own little way.
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Nightwatch, 9 Jan 2012

Nightwatch, 9 Jan 2012

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Note to analysts: Insurgency may be analyzed as an equation in which the combat strength of the insurgents equals the combat strength of the forces of order. It is a chronic condition so long as the equation endures.


If one or other side receives a significant increase in resources, insurgency morphs. If the insurgents receive outside help, they evolve into a revolutionary movement. If the government receives significant outside help, its area of control expands and the insurgency devolves into a police problem, as in Indian Kashmir.


The introduction of the African Union forces in 2007 was the beginning of the creation of a stable security condition. Al Shabaab's capabilities were checked by the Mogadishu government backers and the African Union forces. That equation lasted until late last year, when Kenya and Ethiopia added combat power to the forces supporting the Mogadishu government.


Those additional resources have unbalanced the equation, in favor of Mogadishu. Al Shabaab has no additional resources to draw on that can restore the equation as it was last summer. It is not yet clear that the additional Kenyan and Ethiopian -- Christian - forces are sufficient to reduce al Shabaab to banditry, but that is the direction in which al Shabaab is heading.


Readers may be confident that the US, and apparently France, have a significant role in crafting and providing logistic support for the conditions for the eventual destruction of al Shabaab, by working with and through African surrogates. The strategy appears to be working and that is tonight's good news.
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Maldives’ Islam Challenge
If global warming poses an existential threat to the Maldives, Islamic fundamentalism arguably presents an even greater political and economic challenge to the island nation in the short term to medium term.

This danger was evident recently when the government ordered the shutdown of all spas and health centers at all resorts on the island. The decision came in the wake of a protest by an opposition conservative Islamic party, Adhaalath party or Justice Party, calling for a complete ban on such spas, which they believe are operating as brothels. Protesters were also demanding a ban on the sale of alcohol, demolition of monuments that the Islamists see as idols and a halt to direct flights to Israel.

In an apparent about-face, the government last week rescinded the ban, not least because of the damage that an extended ban would have done to the economy, which relies heavily on tourism. According to one estimate, approximately 900,000 tourists visited the islands last year.

[...]

When I last visited the Maldives I got the sense there was underlying apprehension about the expansion of Islamist extremist forces in the country. I interviewed President Nasheed recently to ask him about these concerns, and he told me that although he understood people’s fears, that there was no need to worry. He felt the radicals were a tiny minority that would be rejected by the people.

But some of the officials I spoke to were less sanguine. They explained that ideological support for the Taliban in Pakistan and Afghanistan is increasing, and they expressed concern over the rising number of Maldivian students going to Pakistan and the Arab World to seek religious education.
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Single page format of Tim Weiner's interview on Intelligence
The job of the intelligence services is to understand others and help leaders act more wisely, says the author of a new history of the FBI. There’s also, he says, a balance to be struck between liberty and security
You have spent decades studying the inner workings of America’s intelligence system, and the past few years looking at newly released files from the FBI. What will we learn by reading your new history of the FBI, Enemies?

You will learn that the Bureau has served first and foremost as a secret intelligence service reporting to the president of the United States. In its first incarnation under J Edgar Hoover, who ruled the Bureau for 48 years, the FBI was the president’s secret intelligence service. Today, 40 years after Hoover’s death, we still live in the shadow of his legacy. How do you run a secret intelligence agency in an open and democratic society? How do you balance national security and civil liberty? How can we be both safe and free? These are questions that Hoover struggled with, and that we struggle with still.

Your prize-winning book about the CIA, Legacy of Ashes, was called “a credible and damning indictment of US intelligence policy” by Publishers Weekly. What are the counts in your indictment, if you agree with that assessment?

I certainly agree that Legacy of Ashes is credible, because every assertion is documented. There are about 200 pages of endnotes, and about 80 pages of endnotes in Enemies. When I say something, I back it up. But Legacy of Ashes is not an indictment of the CIA. The CIA and FBI are reflections of who we are as Americans. We are the most powerful nation on earth. We project our power across the globe, and in order to do that we need good intelligence. When intelligence fails, war happens and people die. When intelligence succeeds, war can be prevented and lives can be saved.

America is not very good at gathering intelligence, but we’re getting better. It’s understandable, because Americans have only been at it in a serious and concerted way since World War II. The British have been at it since Queen Elizabeth I, over five centuries. The Russians have been at it since Peter the Great. And the Chinese have been at it ever since Sun Tzu wrote The Art of War, so 26 centuries.

I want my books to serve not as an indictment but as a warning. If the US doesn’t strike the balance correctly between security and countervailing concerns, we may lose our rights and our liberties, and we may not survive as a free republic. We have made many mistakes, the consequences of which can be measured in blood and treasure, but we are improving – particularly over the last three years.

Please explain the difference between the FBI and CIA.

President Teddy Roosevelt started the FBI in 1908. President Harry Truman started the CIA in 1947. By the end of World War II, America was the most powerful force on earth. The British Empire collapsed and basically said, “Yanks, you take care of Western civilisation now.” The CIA is supposed to work outside the borders of the US, while the FBI was originally intended to work inside the US borders in the name of national security. But since World War II, they’re both all over the place and often trip over each other. They have got to harmonise their intelligence missions, and when they don’t get it right, people die. One of the proximate causes of 9/11 was the failure of the CIA and FBI to cooperate with one another and communicate with the president.

The Art of War
By Sun Tzu

Buy Let’s turn to the books you’ve chosen, beginning with Sun Tzu. Tell us about The Art of War, and what an ancient Chinese military treatise has to do with contemporary US intelligence.

Sun Tzu, a Chinese general 26 centuries ago, tells us: “If you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.” That is the mission of intelligence. We can build all the billion dollar spy satellites we want – and we do – but to know your enemy is to talk to him in his own language. That is the job of spies, and that is what The Art of War teaches.

Chapter seven focuses on the dangers of direct conflict. How do US intelligence agencies, as Sun Tzu says, “subdue the enemy without fighting”?

Through intelligence. Intelligence is the art of war without weapons.

How about black ops?

Well, you need to define what that is. Is it disinformation, lying, cheating or stealing? Black ops can mean all of those things. It can mean propaganda. It can mean putting a spy in the enemy’s camp. It can mean putting a bomb under the hood of the car of an Iranian nuclear scientist. The phrase “black operations” encompasses a multitude of sins.

All of them committed by US intelligence?

The last one I listed was the work of the Israelis.

The Invisible Government
By David Wise and Thomas B Ross

Buy Let’s turn to a 1964 book that brought to light the role that intelligence services played in US foreign policy.

The Invisible Government was the first reported book that actually described what the CIA did. It was written almost 50 years ago, and was a landmark. It explained that the CIA was not James Bond, which was just then becoming popular – that intelligence was not a matter of flying into a foreign capital in a trench coat, overthrowing a government, having a martini, making love and then catching the next plane. It showed that intelligence was a difficult, dirty, dangerous and at times tedious business which was about information, and how information meant power.

So it’s a very good book that is still vital today. And David Wise is still writing great books about intelligence.

In the introduction, the author defines the invisible government as the “interlocking, hidden machinery that carries out the policies of the United States… a loose, amorphous grouping of individuals and agencies drawn from many parts of the visible government”, with the CIA “at its heart". Is that 50-year-old description of America’s intelligence apparatus still accurate? How did 9/11 change the structure of US intelligence?

Things got much more complex. There are now 17 different American intelligence services, with a bureaucracy of interlocking directorates above them overseen by the Director of National Intelligence. All of them are required to report to the secretary of defense, who in turn reports to the president. In the last three years things have gotten better, largely due to the author of our next book.

From the Shadows
By Robert M Gates

Buy That author is former CIA director and US secretary of defense, Robert Michael Gates.

Robert Gates was the head of the CIA under the first President Bush. Under the second President Bush, at the end of 2006, he succeeded the irascible Donald Rumsfeld as secretary of defense. He stayed on under Obama until just a few months ago.

Gates, as you can see in From the Shadows, really understands how intelligence can serve and do disservice to the president of the United States. He probably had more experience in intelligence than anyone who has ever been secretary of defense. The secretary of defense basically runs the show when it comes to intelligence. We spend somewhere just south of $100bn a year – the precise amount is classified – on intelligence, and the secretary of defense controls 85 to 90% of that.

Tell us more about this book.

Bob Gates basically got off the bus from Wichita, Kansas in 1966 and went to work for the US government. He went from the air force to the CIA. After learning Russian, he became an expert – as we defined it – on Russia during the Cold War. He himself never went to Russia until the Cold War was ending, even though he was considered to be among the leading experts on the USSR. He got off the plane and Gorbachev said to him: “How does it look from the ground?” Because the US had been staring down at the Soviet Union from spy satellites and planes, but we didn’t understand what was going on on the ground. We could count the missiles, but we didn’t see the potatoes rotting in the field because there wasn’t enough fuel to take them to market.

Gates learned through bitter experience, over the course of half a century, how intelligence works. It’s an amazing book. And as secretary of defense he used that knowledge to improve our intelligence services.

What precisely is the relationship between the Department of Defense and the US intelligence apparatus?

Ultimately, intelligence should serve the national security of the United States. When you get up in the morning and open the paper or turn on your computer, you want to know: Is the world safe? Is my country safe? Is my city safe? Is my family safe? That is what the president wants to know too, and that is the job of intelligence.

Can any flow chart explain the relationship between the 17 agencies that are part of the US intelligence service and Department of Defense?

In theory, it’s a bunch of boxes that connect and send intelligence up through the director of national intelligence and the secretary of defense to the president. In the past, it has worked more like 17 different musicians with 17 different scores playing a cacophonous tune with the conductor flailing his arms madly. But we’re getting better at it.

The March of Folly
By Barbara W Tuchman

Buy Next you cite one of Barbara Tuchman’s lesser-known works of history, The March of Folly. Tell us about it.

In short, this is one of the greatest books ever written. Why did the Trojans take in the wooden horse? Why was America in Vietnam? Barbara Tuchman explores those questions, and the answer is folly – leaders acting against the interests of their constituents.

Folly explains so much of the history of world events. People believe that the world is run by conspiracies because that is what they read in novels and see on cheap TV series. But the course of world events is determined less by conspiracies than it is by stupidity. Why did the British lose the United States? How did the Renaissance popes bring on the Protestant reformation? Folly. Lack of intelligence.

Please connect the dots to our topic of intelligence.

Consider the three meanings of the word intelligence. It is the power of your mind; it is secret information; and it is secret action taken in the name of a nation. If we had more intelligence we would know our enemies, have fewer wars and there would be less folly throughout history.

If the Trojans knew the Greeks were in the horse, they wouldn’t have opened the gates.

Exactly. Why did they let the horse in? Folly.

The March of Folly is used to teach blind spot analysis in business schools, a method for uncovering faulty or obsolete assumptions. How do intelligence agencies perform blind spot analysis to prevent the sort of folly that Tuchman described?

The March of Folly explains how not to make decisions. Leaders must learn to act only out of enlightened self-interest. To use power wisely, they must make intelligent use of information. If they blunder on based on faulty assumptions, then the Greeks end up inside of Troy and Americans wind up mired in Vietnam for a decade.

Nineteen Eighty-Four
By George Orwell

Buy Let’s end with George Orwell’s Nineteen Eighty-Four. Most of us know it, but please explain why you chose it.

None of us love Big Brother, but we all know he is part of the family. Big Brother is like the uncle we don’t like who has to be invited for Christmas. The question is: How do we live with Big Brother without him ruining our lives?

Nineteen Eighty-Four described, in 1948, what the modern surveillance state was going to look like. At the time, J Edgar Hoover was creating that surveillance state. He is the man who invented the fingerprint file. Every camera that stares down on us in Washington, New York and London, and every bit of biometric data collected on us, is a tribute to Hoover. The greatness of Orwell’s book is that he saw it coming and described it in terms we could understand. What Orwell foretold in Nineteen Eighty-Four was already happening as the book was being published. And that is what my history of the FBI, Enemies, is about.

But you suggest that America’s Big Brother is a bit of a bumbling uncle.

Like I say, we’re relatively new at this. We’ve only been at this in a serious way since World War II. The lessons of Sun Tzu are 26 centuries old and we’re only just internalising them. So give us a chance.

Also, to know your enemy you must talk to him in his own language. Nowadays that might be Arabic or Pashto or Chinese or Urdu. We don’t speak those languages very well. We want everyone to speak English. We want everyone to look like us, think like us and be like us. That isn’t a very good cultural climate for producing successful intelligence, nor for the enduring projection of power.

During a visit to the FBI, as you point out, President Obama proclaimed “we must always reject as false the choice between our security and our ideals”. But you suggest that liberty and security are opposing forces. How has the pendulum swung between liberty and security? And which way is it swinging now?

In the introduction to Enemies I point out that [US statesman] Alexander Hamilton, writing in 1787, said almost exactly the same thing. We have to have liberty and security. They are opposing forces and there is a constant tug of war between them. We strive to strike the right balance.

I would argue that over the last three years we’ve been getting it less wrong than we once did. Have we been attacked in a serious way? No. Have we created any new secret prisons? No. It was the FBI who reported the abuses in Abu Ghraib. It was the FBI director, Robert Mueller, who stared down George W Bush and told him to scale back electronic eavesdropping. Robert Mueller is an ex-Marine and also a great respecter of civil liberties. He has said that he is not going to go down in history as the guy who won the war on terror but took away our civil liberties – because that would be a pyrrhic victory.

When the FBI makes mistakes under Mueller, it admits and corrects them. He and the people he reports to must strike the balance between liberty and security every day. Lately, we’re doing a pretty good job. There will always be mistakes. Getting the balance precisely right is extremely difficult and, like democracy itself, is a work in progress.

Interview by Eve Gerber
Published on Mar 18, 2012

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