Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2010

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 23 Oct 2010 20:39

Pratyush wrote:Hasn't India always picked up the TAB.

Absolutely. India has not displayed the smarts needed to siphon the money (anyway it is picking up the TAB) to individual influential jernails in baki army so that it can achieve its aim. Instead India has steadfastly routed all the monies through UN or other nonsense. Grand standing will not cut with an established whore.

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 23 Oct 2010 20:40

Man paki's can get away with anything... 2bn more... above everything else they are already getting... GoI should stop working hard on Nuclear liability bill just to accommodate American companies... (most of that money will go to Pakis anyways).

Indian Americans... it's clear now... Dems are no friends to India....

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 23 Oct 2010 20:57

Dr. Shiv pointed out the most fascinating item in all of this discussion. It was a picture of RATS circa 1999 Mushy coup and a picture of current anti-terror operations. The RATS are better much better armed, better clothed, better fed and better physical condition. US aid over the last decade has indeed improved the RATS combat readiness and with sufficient cash, it has also improved the morale of the NCO and officer corps as they now have more opportunity to put their hands in the till.

Dr. Shiv,

The picture you posted earlier should be a sticky in the TSP military thread.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 23 Oct 2010 21:01

ramana wrote:The $2b could be protection money for the visit to go off smoothly.

No. This was planned ahead of time, as there was some discussion on how to "help" Pak. The timing of course is before the Obama India visit.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 23 Oct 2010 21:03

Sri wrote:Man paki's can get away with anything... 2bn more... above everything else they are already getting... GoI should stop working hard on Nuclear liability bill just to accommodate American companies... (most of that money will go to Pakis anyways).

Indian Americans... it's clear now... Dems are no friends to India....

To point this out falls on "hear no evil, see no evil..." Indian-Americans who are on this forum that are staunch Dem supporters that includes many prominent members and admins.

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 23 Oct 2010 21:14

Mort Walker wrote:To point this out falls on "hear no evil, see no evil..." Indian-Americans who are on this forum that are staunch Dem supporters that includes many prominent members and admins.

Walker Saar,

I know that. I also thought Mr Obama and Ms Clinton's team would be much better news for us in India. I am forced to reconsider now ... but my views don't matter much as I live in India. I can only appeal to Indian Biradari from here.

But if you sir can list some initiatives that Mr Obama has taken which proves that his administration is better then the previous one as far as India is concerned then I am ready to stand corrected...

Mauli · Post by **Mauli** » 23 Oct 2010 21:15

Indian Americans... it's clear now... Dems are no friends to India....

They are more dangerous because of not so visible mutated racism and white supremacism compared to well understood Republicans.

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 23 Oct 2010 21:45

Mother tongue first http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... irst-ss-08

Titled Teaching & Learning in Pakistan: The Role of Language in Education, the report (prepared by Hywel Coleman and the British Council), was based on the results of a widespread research and survey of the many languages spoken in Pakistan and the country’s education sector.
Some of the findings in this context are:
- Language breakdown of Pakistanis by mother-tongue are: (Punjabi) 49.3 %, Pushto 12.0 %, Sindhi 11.7%, Urdu 6.8%, Balochi 3.6%, Brahui 1.3 % and Farsi 0.6 %.
- Class 3 students are not able to write simple sentences in Urdu and do not recognize simple words in English. They are in effect functionally illiterate and innumerate.

For less than 7% of pakistanis urdu is the mother tongue and yet they claim bollywood is stealing urdu when urdu words are used in films

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 23 Oct 2010 21:50

Mort Walker wrote: It was a picture of RATS circa 1999 Mushy coup and a picture of current anti-terror operations. The RATS are better much better armed, better clothed, better fed and better physical condition. US aid over the last decade has indeed improved the RATS combat reediness and with sufficient cash, it has also improved the morale of the NCO and officer corps as they now have more opportunity to put their hands in the till.

Absolutely.

Where's the comparison?

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 23 Oct 2010 21:57

^^^
Helmets are pure give away as to the origin of the kit....

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 23 Oct 2010 22:23

Mort Walker wrote:
Sri wrote:Man paki's can get away with anything... 2bn more... above everything else they are already getting... GoI should stop working hard on Nuclear liability bill just to accommodate American companies... (most of that money will go to Pakis anyways).

Indian Americans... it's clear now... Dems are no friends to India....

To point this out falls on "hear no evil, see no evil..." Indian-Americans who are on this forum that are staunch Dem supporters that includes many prominent members and admins.

Not targeting any NRIs here{I was an NRI}.....but my experience in US tells me that NRIs basically look after their own asses....Dems or Repubs...who ever soothes them..they will get NRI votes.....many think "Whats in it for me if I vote for Dem/Rep?" and not "Whats in it for my country "Indiyeah" if I vote for Dem/Rep?"....its natural human tendency to be selfish first and then patriotic......Obama had hit hard on H1B holders and Indian IT companies...which comes down to hit mango NRI programmer in USA...now they hate Obama...on the contrary you'd love him if his policies are friendly towards mango NRI programmer even though his certain policies are really denting India...so no point wooing NRIs to vote Dems/Repubs...no personal offense meant to anyone...bitter truth onlee...you can hound after me all you can...but that won't change the truth...

sorry for the heavy OT.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 23 Oct 2010 23:31

Just want to note. The US Republican party is no better than the Dems, but they are pro-business, and to that end, the discriminatory US laws toward India would be dropped or lessened.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 23 Oct 2010 23:32

Result of paki unkil strategic dialog

Pakis get $2B and we get lip service

Relations with Pakistan not at India''s expense: US

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 23 Oct 2010 23:37

Some kernails getting taste of the stew they have been brewing for past 3 decades

Pakistan army colonel killed in Orakzai explosion

wish we can see some jernails fall in this holy war.

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 23 Oct 2010 23:43

Brad Goodman wrote:Result of paki unkil strategic dialog

Pakis get $2B and we get lip service

Relations with Pakistan not at India''s expense: US

Why no one see headlines such as: relations with pakistan not at China's expense:US.
Stupid equal-equalities done by US. But, this gives a lot of insight into how the US establishment perceives India - on par with Pakis.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 23 Oct 2010 23:45

Increased action in Orakzai and Kurram is a direct fallout of Unkil's relentless pressure on N.Waziristan. Sooner or later TSPA will be forced to do a dog and pony show in NW, so they are moving out their key assets to other areas.

BTW, for all the hoopla about that TSPA murder video in Swat, TSPA's actions in Kurram may mirror those in East Pakistan in 1971. Hundreds of Turi (Shia) tribesmen have been slaughtered in TSPA aerial bombardments in support of Haqqani fighters.

saip · Post by **saip** » 24 Oct 2010 00:10

Not targeting any NRIs here{I was an NRI}.....

OT. But to clarify NRIs dont vote in US, perhaps you mean OCIs?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 24 Oct 2010 00:14

JwalaMukhi wrote:Stupid equal-equalities done by US. But, this gives a lot of insight into how the US establishment perceives India - on par with Pakis.

Yes, but what has India done to cure itself of this equal-equalitis? Even a clear-headed but forceful articulation starting at the highest levels of Indian govt headed by MMS would be a good start, namely, it is not US-TSP relations that India is concerned about, but rather the nature of that relationship, namely, just as US forces in Afganisthan faces a terrorist threat from areas under TSP control, so too does India, even much more so, from terrorists not only operating from TSP territory, but aided and abetted by TSP. And India expects that this fact be taken into account as US bolsters TSP with military aid. What stops MMS from launching such a narrative? After all, there so much fulsome praise doled out on him from every little 2-bit minion in the US govt incharge of "South Asian" affairs.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 24 Oct 2010 00:19

Rangudu wrote:Increased action in Orakzai and Kurram is a direct fallout of Unkil's relentless pressure on N.Waziristan. Sooner or later TSPA will be forced to do a dog and pony show in NW, so they are moving out their key assets to other areas.

Very well put. You & I both know that all that TSP is doing is preserving its precious terrorist resources to hit India at a later stage. So, yes, indeed, the whole GWOT is a dog & pony show.

Aeons ago, even as I was lamenting that TSP terror against India is not of GWOT, I still thought that at end of GWOT, TSP would be cut to size. Little did I suspect then that TSP will actually come out stronger to take on India as GWOT or AfPak reaches the final stretch.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 24 Oct 2010 00:22

Venkarl, Not to belabor the point but even GOI will bat for who ever hits them hardest.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 24 Oct 2010 00:41

Chinese company donates for Pakistan flood affectees
BEIJING, Oct 23 (APP): China State Construction Engineering Corporation Ltd. (CSCEC) donated an amount of RMB 100,000 (US$ 15000 approx.) for the flood affectees of Pakistan.Tian Chunli, Senior Manager of the company handed over a letter from Yi Jun, President CSCEC to Pakistan’s Ambassador to China, Masood Khan at the Pakistan Embassy here on Saturday.In his letter Yi Jun expressed his grief and sorrow over the loss of life and property due to massive floods.

CSCEC is one of the leading Chinese companies operating in Pakistan.It is also one of the most competitive building enterprises in China, with a business scope ranging from housing construction, international building contracting to real estate development, infrastructure development, prospecting and designing.
Ambassador Masood thanked Yi Jun and Tian Chunli for the generous donation and appreciated CSCEC’s kind gesture for the people of Pakistan.
He said the Chinese government and people have always stood by Pakistan in times of difficulty.
Ambassador Masood Khan said CSCEC has made immense contribution to the economy of Pakistan and we look forward to a robust contribution by the company in the reconstruction phase.
“China was one of the first countries to come forward and announce humanitarian assistance for the flood victims. We are extremely grateful to the people and Government of China”, he added.
The Pakistan Branch Office of CSCEC had earlier donated Rs. 100,000 for the flood victims. The company also extended help to its local staff in Pakistan.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 24 Oct 2010 00:41

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/147814.html

Iran offers help to Pakistan on security
Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:53AM

Iranian Prosecutor General Gholam-Hossein Mohseni-Ejei has offered to cooperate with Pakistan in its fight against terrorism and security crimes.

Mohseni-Ejei made the remarks in a meeting with his Pakistani opposite number Maulvi Anwar-ul-Haq in the Chinese city of Xiamen on the fringes of a meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO).

According to the Iranian official, the conference provides a great opportunity for SCO member countries to discuss ways to bolster ties.

Anwar-ul-Haq, in turn, said Pakistan is interested in expanding judicial collaboration with the Islamic Republic and expressed hope that Tehran and Islamabad can sign an extradition treaty in the near future.

Touching upon the devastating floods in Pakistan, Mohseni-Ejei also expressed sympathy for millions of flood-affected Pakistanis.

Pakistan's worst floods in 80 years, which began in late July, left 21 million people homeless and 10 million without food, medicine, or shelter.

Iran was among the first countries to dispatch relief supplies to Pakistan and has announced its readiness to help reconstruct Pakistan's flood-ravaged regions.

Earlier, Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Khamenei described the flood disaster in Pakistan as the “most urgent” issue of the Islamic world.

“The nation and government of Iran, other Muslim nations and governments in every corner of the world, Islamic organizations, particularly the Organization of the Islamic Conference, must rush with all their capacity to help the Pakistan nation and government,” Ayatollah Khamenei said on September 10.

Anwar-ul-Haq also expressed gratitude to the Iranian people and Ayatollah Khamenei for supporting the flood-stricken Pakistanis.

Mohseni-Ejei also met and conferred with his counterparts from Russia, Tajikistan, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and India at the 8th meeting of the SCO states' prosecutors on Friday.

The officials from the Islamic Republic of Iran, Russia, Pakistan, Afghanistan and India discussed methods for expansion of judiciary cooperation among SCO member states.

Iran and China also signed a memorandum of understanding in order to expand relations in legal and judicial fields.

Founded in 2001, the Shanghai group is made up of Russia, China and a number of Central Asian states. The group is viewed as a vehicle meant to counter US influence in the region.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 24 Oct 2010 00:51

Strategic talks: All that Pak got was more money!

Despite managing to get $2.29 billion in fresh military aid, Pakistan failed to extract anything from the US on two key issues of civilian nuclear deal similar to that of India and American intervention in resolving the Kashmir issue.US Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton did not respond to a question on Pakistan's quest for a civil nuclear deal on the lines of India, thus clearly indicating that it is not on the radar of the Obama Administration, which has announced a series of civilian and military assistance to Pakistan during the US-Pak Strategic Dialogue.Similarly, US State Department spokesman P J Crowley clarified for the second successive day that the US has no role to play in the Kashmir issue and both India and Pakistan has to resolve it bilaterally.

http://news.rediff.com/slide-show/2010/ ... -money.htm
( Click the link if you have not eaten yet or you are barf proof )

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 24 Oct 2010 00:54

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... ghanistan/
( Burka wearing Poak TFTA of Lal Masjid fame)
KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — A suicide car bomber and three armed militants wearing explosives vests and dressed as women attacked a United Nations compound Saturday in western Afghanistan, but Afghan security forces killed the attackers and no U.N. employees were harmed, officials said.
The Afghan Ministry of Interior said three guards working at the compound were injured."The situation is now resolved," said Dan McNorton, a spokesman for the United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan. "All U.N. staff have been accounted for."The brazen attack began when four militants drove up to the U.N. compound in a car laden with explosives, said Dilawar Shah Dilawar, deputy police chief of Herat province. From the car, they fired a rocket toward the entrance, he said.
The militants tried unsuccessfully to blow up the gate with the rocket so they could drive the car inside the compound, he said. When that didn't work, three of the militants got out of the car and the fourth blew up the vehicle, killing himself. The explosion destroyed the gate, allowing the three to get inside."The three attackers were wearing police uniforms covered with burqas," Dilawar said, referring to the long, flowing garment that many Afghan women wear in public. "All of them had suicide vests and AK-47s."
Militants sometimes wear burqas or police uniforms as a disguise. The Interior Ministry denied the attackers were wearing police uniforms.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 24 Oct 2010 01:30

JwalaMukhi wrote:
Brad Goodman wrote:Result of paki unkil strategic dialog

Pakis get $2B and we get lip service

Relations with Pakistan not at India''s expense: US
Why no one see headlines such as: relations with pakistan not at China's expense:US.
Stupid equal-equalities done by US. But, this gives a lot of insight into how the US establishment perceives India - on par with Pakis.

Maybe I'm missing something but the header statement doesn't appear in the body of the article. There is no mention of India.

anandsgh · Post by **anandsgh** » 24 Oct 2010 01:42

http://www.youtube.com/user/aljazeeraen ... q_wvePFe4s

Aljazeera Productions presents Mohtorma Marvi Menon.
The topic of talk is the recent baksheesh given and will TSPA deliver despite the meat thrown to it.
Mohtorma steers it to usual rant of India, Kashmir... etc and then bravely boasts that the issue will go to Poak Parliament and decision will be taken there. Then the drone attacks and the violation of So-Virginity and paki blocade... then the Human Rights violations by TSPA with video. Thats all for the video in nutshell.

One question to BRF laureates... Can we (Indian Lobbyists) lobby against this bill in US congress on HR violations grounds?

Vivek K · Post by **Vivek K** » 24 Oct 2010 02:06

Agree with Mort - Obama and Hillary are no friends of India. I want George Bush back!!

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 24 Oct 2010 03:13

anandsgh wrote:http://www.youtube.com/user/aljazeeraen ... q_wvePFe4s

Aljazeera Productions presents Mohtorma Marvi Menon.
The topic of talk is the recent baksheesh given and will TSPA deliver despite the meat thrown to it.
Mohtorma steers it to usual rant of India, Kashmir... etc and then bravely boasts that the issue will go to Poak Parliament and decision will be taken there. Then the drone attacks and the violation of So-Virginity and paki blocade... then the Human Rights violations by TSPA with video. Thats all for the video in nutshell.

One question to BRF laureates... Can we (Indian Lobbyists) lobby against this bill in US congress on HR violations grounds?

Forget the HR violations BS yaar, even US does that, so whats the big deal?

But what struck me was that evil clown David Pollock or whatver, talking about "respecting" TSP interests in Afganisthan by basically denying India even a girl scout's role. That the Mofo doesn't talk about the diabolical intention of TSP tells you how much of a slime ball he is.

But on the lighter side, with such attractive and articulate chickies like Marvi in their kitty, who you can look at but can't take seriously, why do sex-starved TSP maacho dudes come to India desparately chasing Indian women? I am sure there are quite a few Marvi types in TSP.

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 24 Oct 2010 03:55

saip wrote:
Not targeting any NRIs here{I was an NRI}.....
OT. But to clarify NRIs dont vote in US, perhaps you mean OCIs?

my bad...yes you are rite. I meant Indian Americans.

Venkarl, Not to belabor the point but even GOI will bat for who ever hits them hardest.

Ha GoI does hit wicket and say yayyy howzzaattt...again elaborating on this would be self loathing

going OT ppl...last post on this...letuj gontinjoo wid poki khabrein.

naren · Post by **naren** » 24 Oct 2010 04:24

anandsgh wrote:http://www.youtube.com/user/aljazeeraen ... q_wvePFe4s

Aljazeera Productions presents Mohtorma Marvi Menon.
The topic of talk is the recent baksheesh given and will TSPA deliver despite the meat thrown to it.
Mohtorma steers it to usual rant of India, Kashmir... etc and then bravely boasts that the issue will go to Poak Parliament and decision will be taken there. Then the drone attacks and the violation of So-Virginity and paki blocade... then the Human Rights violations by TSPA with video. Thats all for the video in nutshell.

One question to BRF laureates... Can we (Indian Lobbyists) lobby against this bill in US congress on HR violations grounds?

why does motorma have to put "violated" and "sovirginity" in the same sentence. found very hard to concentrate...

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 24 Oct 2010 04:36

Cosmo_R wrote: Maybe I'm missing something but the header statement doesn't appear in the body of the article. There is no mention of India.

Please to follow this link.
http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/report_re ... us_1456799

"This is a subject (India's concerns about US military assistance to Pakistan) that comes up in all of our discussions with high-level Indian officials. It comes up in all of our discussions with high-level Pakistani officials," State Department spokesperson PJ Crowley told reporters when asked about India's concerns in this regard.

"We continue to provide the same message to both countries. This is not a zero-sum proposition. Our assistance to Pakistan does not come at the expense of India, and our relationship with India does not come at the expense of Pakistan," he said.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 24 Oct 2010 04:42

JwalaMukhi wrote:
"We continue to provide the same message to both countries. This is not a zero-sum proposition. Our assistance to Pakistan does not come at the expense of India, and our relationship with India does not come at the expense of Pakistan," he said.

50 years of experience is available to figure out what was the real situation

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 24 Oct 2010 05:48

Can only hope and pray this burdensome 'presidential visit' to Yindia passes by quietly and quickly and that this burden is not revisited on our country for years to come. Makes me wonder who was more interested in the visit happening - us or them? We've nothing to gain from the visit, I wish our MUTUs in gubmint could understand and curb their enthusiasm accordingly.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 24 Oct 2010 06:38

India is waging a lone battle against terror

But here’s what’s important: the US probably knew much more about 26/11 than it was willing to let on. Even today, it knows how deeply the ISI is involved in sponsoring terrorism. But as long as the terrorism is directed towards India and not the West, it does not mind so much. The CIA continues to work closely with ISI and two days ago Washington gave Pakistan another $2 billion to buy weapons.

So, finally, let’s never forget the biggest lesson from this saga. When it comes to the battle against terrorism, India has no allies. We are on our own.

The silver lining, which I hope exists, would be if Indians are united and fight TSP as a result of USA's double game, and not surrender and fall for cheap used-car salesman talk.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Oct 2010 08:14

Sri wrote:
Vashishtha wrote: Pakis create new lows for themselves, they might just discover '-infinity someday'.XD
and count it twice just to make sure...

Vashistha & Sri, superb.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Oct 2010 08:20

JwalaMukhi wrote: "http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/report_re ... us_1456799
Our assistance to Pakistan does not come at the expense of India, . . . "

Absolute BS. The US assistance, military & diplomatic, to Pakistan was the major reason that it was emboldened to attack India in 1965 using arms and ammunition that was supposed to fight the Communists, the US assistance to Pakistan led to the war in 1971, the US assistance to Pakistan led to terrorism in India and the tacit US support to PA's criminal activities continues to support terrorism in India today. The proposed military assistance, the IMET programme, and the continuing economic assistance will support all future terrorism as well against India.

India is fighting already a three front war, US, China and their cat's paw Pakistan.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 24 Oct 2010 08:53

Ha Ha

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakist ... 4CG8/post7

Pakistan Army's clear victories against India:

1947: Pakistan captured 1/3 of Kashmir and it could have occupied the whole Kashmir as Tribal and Afridis had captured Srinagar. Nehru begged UNSC to intervene and he promised to hold plebiscite. Indian Government is the Best in the world in renedging its international commitments...it a weeny thing as we all know.

1965: A glorious victory for Pakistan
as most of Indian soldiers left food and armaments and took off to the relattive safety of their homes. Once agains India begged UNSC to request pakistan to withdrwa from the conquered land and India would resolve the Kashmir issue. And as expected India did not honor its commitment because it a weeny thing that we all know..

1971: Pakistan Peoples party Chairman, Z.A. Bhutto, who was the leading politician at that time, had already made a plan to say good bye to Bangladesh because the Bangladeshi
Freedom fighters were excellent fighter, like all muslims, and it was useless to fight them when they wanted to go a separate way. So, the victory goes to our Bangladeshi brothers and sisters but Indian Army not only stole their victory but also looted and cleaned the country like a swarm of locust.

The biggest slap that Bangladesh landed on the face of India was when they thwarted Indian dreams to merge Bangladesh in the Indian Union. Now, Bangladeshis are kicking Indian rear in many ways which every one knows and I need not elaborate them.

Kargil- 1000 Kashmiris freedom fighters gave a bloody nose to 700,000 Indian P.Pump soldiers and India had to beg the U.S. to help save its honor. Is it a victory for India?
Certainly not. It was Pakistan's victory and as brought Kashmir issue from the backburner to the forefront.

http://www.buzztracker.com/category/pakistan

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/world ... l?_r=1&hpw

Meeting Pakistanis, U.S. Will Try to Fix Relations

Fayaz Aziz/Reuters
A fuel tanker meant for NATO troops was set on fire this month in Pakistan. Pakistan had closed a route to Afghanistan after three of its soldiers were killed by a NATO helicopter gunship.
By MARK LANDLER and ERIC SCHMITT
Published: October 18, 2010

WASHINGTON — As Pakistani civilian and military leaders arrive here this week for high-level meetings, the Obama administration will begin trying to mend a relationship badly damaged by the American military’s tough new stance in the region.

Among the sweeteners on the table will be a multiyear security pact with Pakistan, complete with more reliable military aid — something the Pakistani military has long sought to complement the five-year, $7.5 billion package of nonmilitary aid approved by Congress last year. The administration will also discuss how to channel money to help Pakistan rebuild after its ruinous flood.

But the American gestures come at a time of fraying patience on the part of the Obama administration, and they will carry a familiar warning, a senior American official said: if Pakistan does not intensify its efforts to crack down on militants hiding out in the tribal areas of North Waziristan, or if another terrorist plot against the United States were to emanate from Pakistani soil, the administration would find it hard to persuade Congress or the American public to keep supporting the country.

Another potential bone of contention is one of President Obama’s nuclear objectives: a global accord to end the production of new nuclear fuel. Pakistan has led the opposition to the accord. And without its agreement, the treaty would be basically useless.

Mr. Qureshi blamed the United States for the situation, saying Washington signed a civilian nuclear accord with India that discriminated against Pakistan. “You have disturbed the nuclear balance,” he said in a recent interview in New York, “and we have been forced to develop a new strategy.”

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 24 Oct 2010 08:57

CRamS wrote:India is waging a lone battle against terror

The silver lining, which I hope exists, would be if Indians are united and fight TSP as a result of USA's double game, and not surrender and fall for cheap used-car salesman talk.

I am gradually veering around to the view that it is us post-1947 "republic of India" generation who are blinkered by Nehruvian thought. Let me explain that. By "Nehruvian thought" I am referring to a fond hope that Nehru had that with the end of WW 2 the war to end all wars had been fought and that all nations, with the UN in the lead would then live together in peace and harmony.

There will never be peace. In our time or in anyone else's time. India's borders have always been at war - they have always been dispute by someone or the other. Even of the current structure of "TSP" is removed there will still be people who are fighting. Low grade wars will be a continuous thing for us for the nex tseveral decades. We might as well get use to it while we prepare for a "big one" in case someone loses it.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 24 Oct 2010 09:32

Dr. Shiv,

What is the current mood in India as Obama's visit approaches? Is it the euphoric, we are an impending super power tripe, or is there any discussion like that article by Vir Sanghvi, talking about US perfidy? I haven't seen anything posted about what Bakara and Rajdeep etc are focusing on.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 24 Oct 2010 09:51

SSridhar wrote:
JwalaMukhi wrote: "http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/report_re ... us_1456799
Our assistance to Pakistan does not come at the expense of India, . . . "

Absolute BS. The US assistance, military & diplomatic, to Pakistan was the major reason that it was emboldened to attack India in 1965 using arms and ammunition that was supposed to fight the Communists, the US assistance to Pakistan led to the war in 1971, the US assistance to Pakistan led to terrorism in India and the tacit US support to PA's criminal activities continues to support terrorism in India today. The proposed military assistance, the IMET programme, and the continuing economic assistance will support all future terrorism as well against India.

India is fighting already a three front war, US, China and their cat's paw Pakistan.

Actually the TSP and its earlier incarnation were always ambushing India and the idea of India. They had support earlier from the GB and then the US and later the PRC. If you think about it the ML and Jinnah were executing ambush tactics through out recent history. And they had support from the West in this. And later the PRC jumped in. The US assistance, military & diplomatic, to Pakistan was the major reason that it was emboldened to attack India in 1965 using arms and ammunition that was supposed to fight the Communists, the US assistance to Pakistan led to the war in 1971, the US assistance to Pakistan led to terrorism in India and the tacit US support to PA's criminal activities continues to support terrorism in India today. Invariably the normatized mind driven by religious dogma(TSP) or political doctrine(US and PRC) sees nothing wrong in throwing/discarding norms to the wind and ambush India. When human rights charges are levied against India while mass murderers like PRC and TSP are mollycoddled its time for the jholawala brigade to think again about the US moral compass.