Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20
Posted: 24 Sep 2011 08:03
Is anger=hate. Does TSP/TSPians Hate America more than India now?
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All ij well sovirginity is intact. Nothing to be seen here. Unkil has not touched anything. Got to give it to the chinese for their humor.With the United States and Pakistan engaged in a war of words, China on Friday sprung to the defence of its 'all weather ally', asking Washington to respect Islamabad's sovereignty and territorial integrity while fighting its war on terror.
a spokesperson of the Chinese foreign ministry defended Pakistan, saying it has been "in the forefront of international efforts against terrorism".
Pakistan has made important sacrifices in global fight against terrorism. We hope relevant country will respect other countries sovereignty and territorial integrity," he said. He, however, said he was not aware of specific allegations of the US.
Wrath of God
Sir,
Tens of people have been killed by the Dengue fever and several thousand are suffering. At a time when the sane among us are thinking of ways to ensure it does not become an epidemic, our TV channels are not interested in talking to experts on ways to counter the onslaught of this dangerous disease. Instead, they have been giving air time to clerics who insist that Dengue is the wrath of God that has come on us because we do not follow Islam and instead copy the west. The clerics specifically refer to female pop stars, dance parties, and saying hello or hi instead of Salaam.![]()
My first reaction was, if the claims made by these clerics are true, then why is there no Dengue in the West?
Also, there have been a number of news reports about how religious minorities are being discriminated against during the distribution of aid among the victims of floods and rains in Sindh. If these natural disasters are the wrath of God, then our treatment of the minorities is definitely going to bring us more of this.
Nadeem Afzal,
Karachi.
http://www.thefridaytimes.com/beta2/tft ... 23&page=10Faisalabad failure
Sir,
After a hate campaign against the Ahmadiyya Community in Faisalabad that included threatening letters, pamphlets inciting violence, and incidents of harassment, an Ahmadi was killed by unidentified gunmen earlier this month.
He was sleeping in his house when four men broke in, shot him dead, and fled.
There had been reports in more than one major newspapers that terrorists were planning to target the Ahmadiyya Community. Terrorists had even published and distributed lists of prominent Ahmadi traders who they had said should be killed. Those who wrote and published such materials had their names and contact information printed on them. But no measures were taken. Earlier, a large number of female Ahmadi students of Faisalabad's National Textile University dropped out because of discrimination and victimisation.
In more recent reports, locals have claimed Naeem Ahmad's killers were now asking around for the whereabouts of his brother.
The targeting of a peaceful minority community and incitement of religious and sectarian violence when Pakistan is already facing so many problems should not be tolerated. Stern measures should be taken to ensure this problem is resolved before it gets too late.
Adeel Bajwa,
Lahore.
http://www.thefridaytimes.com/beta2/tft ... 23&page=14Murder of uncircumcised saint
Reported in Jang after a pretending saint (jaali pir) in Qasur was murdered by a female follower of his, it was discovered that far from being a holy man, he was not even circumcised which was taken to mean that he was not a Muslim. After the community protested, the fake saint was not buried in the Muslim graveyard.
Quaid-e-Azam killed by America!
Close friend of Imran Khan, Yusuf Salahuddin told Jinnah that whoever in Pakistan opposed America was caused by America to be killed by the establishment. The Quaid-e-Azam himself was assassinated. He said the big anti-American lobby was focused on Imran Khan. He said all the prostitutes of Heera Mandi had relocated to Defence Society. He said Pakistan should follow Mithaq-e-Madina.
Funeral leader of Taseer runs away
Reported in Jinnah the cleric who led the funeral prayer of Governor Punjab Salmaan Taseer was receiving threat calls for allegedly leading the prayer for a blaspheming person. The cleric Afzal Chishti had run away to the UK and sought political asylum there on the basis of an FIR registered in Lahore. The Governor was killed by his own security detail a case against whom is proceeding at a very slow pace while the lawyers' movement favours the killer.
It's universal acceptance that someone in a higher post like Mr. Khar is good at his job , maybe the american govt officials know that he is just a front. But the media is welcome to make any assumptions it wants to with respect to Mr. Khar. The american govt definitely knows what sort of treatment to be given out to Mr. Khar as was shown by Hilary a week back.shiv wrote:Hina Rabbani Khar on CBS. Is that some minor US TV network in some tier 3 city? Khar is some random Paki bimbo. Surely she can't get prime airtime on any serious channel in the US that has much more important things to do than publicise the rambling of some Paki bimbo as something noteworthy? I mean I admit she looks OK, but is this some alternate "Playboy" like channel, this "CBS" to take this woman so seriously? The interviewer talks as if what she says is gravely important.
As ulema have said let Hina never be accused of ZinaRajeshA wrote:IMO Pakistanis are the most pious in the world. They will never send a Pakistani woman to go and shake hands of all those foreign men. Who knows what they have been doing with their hands? Hain ji?
This was aptly summed up in a Kafir movie that said it just right..What is the ruling on one who is intimate with women but does not commit zina, i.e. kissing etc?.
Praise be to Allaah.
Zina (adultery, fornication) does not refer only to penetration, rather there is the zina of the hand, which is touching that which is forbidden, and the zina of the eyes, which is looking at that which is forbidden, even though zina that is committed with the private parts, is the zina which is punishable with the hadd punishment.
It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah has decreed for every son of Adam his share of zina, which he will inevitably commit. The zina of the eyes is looking, the zina of the tongue is speaking, one may wish and desire, and the private parts confirm that or deny it.”
Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5889; Muslim, 2657.
zina yahaan, marna yahaan
IPL team Kolkata Knight Riders owner Shah Rukh Khan said he had no clue about the allegations levelled against him by retired Pakistan pacer Shoaib Akhtar, who had claimed that he should never have listened to the Bollywood star while joining the IPL.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/24/world ... orism.htmlThey said General Kayani, who was under great pressure from his troops after the humiliation of the Bin Laden raid, had recovered some ground and recouped some prestige.
The Senate Appropriations Committee has approved $1 billion in Military aid for Pakistan just days after Admiral Mike Mullen announced the country was behind this months attacks on U.S. forces in Afghanistan.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/despite- ... z1YsRKfkf3
Simple Piskology.Theo_Fidel wrote:Is anger=hate. Does TSP/TSPians Hate America more than India now?
The biggest enemy in war in Afghanistan isn't the Taliban but Pakistani and U.S. media. These two great nations, if combined can rule over the whole world, however if separated, they both are more than capable of bringing each other to their knees.
You are probably right, but surely there is a better way than TSP brinkmanship and US accusations. You mean US allowed Kiyani to atack their embassy, kill the Navy seals who took at OBL etc, all to restore Kiyani's H&D post OBL? You make US look so impotent that even DocJi's narative stands out as an invincible super power.A_Gupta wrote:I'm more and more convinced that "Operation Restore Kayani's H&D" is underway. Whether with the Spanish medal or with giving him an opportunity to "stand up" to the US.
Yes "winning" like inCRamS wrote: With US, they are capable of at most brinkmanship, with India, they are capable of "winning".
Why did the Senate Committee vote to give Pakistan $1 billion in arms **after** Mullen's testimony? It makes the Prime Minister MMS seem like a jingoistic frothing-at-the-mouth nationalist in comparison. At least MMS gives a few months between an attack by Pakistan, and the statements about trying to normalize ties with Pakistan. The US Senate gave it a day or two. And the US Senate is doing something substantial, while with MMS it is only words. (A billion dollars is very substantial when the US Congress is stuck over and threatening a government shutdown over how to provide a like sum to the Federal Emergency Management Agency, after a summer of natural disasters.)CRamS wrote:You are probably right, but surely there is a better way than TSP brinkmanship and US accusations. You mean US allowed Kiyani to atack their embassy, kill the Navy seals who took at OBL etc, all to restore Kiyani's H&D post OBL? You make US look so impotent that even DocJi's narative stands out as an invincible super power.A_Gupta wrote:I'm more and more convinced that "Operation Restore Kayani's H&D" is underway. Whether with the Spanish medal or with giving him an opportunity to "stand up" to the US.
Whats that saying about barking dogs ...... or in marathi "garjel to barsel kaay !" (thundering clouds dont rain)Pratyush wrote:US fires fresh salvo at Pakistan, tells it to rein in ISI
yawn, wake me up when some thing actually happens.
Apples and oranges. With India it is fury that a 'subject' people are not staying in its place. With US it is the rage of a spoiled son who thinks his father is being strict after a lifetime of pampering.Theo_Fidel wrote:Is anger=hate. Does TSP/TSPians Hate America more than India now?
Mullahs,Upendra wrote:Murder of uncircumcised saint
Reported in Jang after a pretending saint (jaali pir) in Qasur was murdered by a female follower of his, it was discovered that far from being a holy man, he was not even circumcised which was taken to mean that he was not a Muslim. After the community protested, the fake saint was not buried in the Muslim graveyard.
http://www.thefridaytimes.com/beta2/tft ... 23&page=14
++++1A_Gupta wrote: Why did the Senate Committee vote to give Pakistan $1 billion in arms **after** Mullen's testimony? It makes the Prime Minister MMS seem like a jingoistic frothing-at-the-mouth nationalist in comparison.... (A billion dollars is very substantial when the US Congress is stuck over and threatening a government shutdown over how to provide a like sum to the Federal Emergency Management Agency, after a summer of natural disasters.).
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If the US could take meaningful tough action, it would. If that makes it seem impotent to you, and makes it seem as weak as or weaker than India, that is a perception problem; reality is what it is and is staring at us in the face.
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I know how this works - because it is unacceptable that the US seem impotent, this all will be interpreted as the US strategic necessity to keep India down as far more important than Pakistan trying to kill the US Ambassador and sundry soldiers, and so the "strong" US continues to prop up Pakistan - the white man's and TFTA's conspiracy against SDREs.
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The problem with accepting that Pakistan is a very difficult problem, even beyond the SuperPower is that a lot of the writings on BRF about Pakistan stand revealed as so much hot air. Much nicer to keep fulminating about the pusillanimous political leadership in India. Therefore it won't be accepted. People need some method for time-pass.
Note the quotes surrounding the word winningDipanker wrote:
Yes "winning" like in
You sound like Amitabh Bachhan in Lakshay, very authoriatively, making it sound bold and courageous: "LOC nahi cross kar naa hai" (pardon my Hindi), sacrifice your own troops and get a pat on the back by "interntional community". Some victory that, and TSP smarting after "loosing" ratcheted up pigLeT attacks.Kargil 99.
Stalemate. Although I agree its advantage India because TSP is desparate to get India off the strategic heights. And also to salvage some H&D.Siachen 84
Indeed a victory for India.Bangladesh 71
Coming from an IIT topper like you, this is pitiful analysis. For a quick 101 tutorial on (TSP & US) Vs (TSP & India), please read my previous post.A_Gupta wrote:
If the US could take meaningful tough action, it would. If that makes it seem impotent to you, and makes it seem as weak as or weaker than India, that is a perception problem; reality is what it is and is staring at us in the face.
I know how this works - because it is unacceptable that the US seem impotent, this all will be interpreted as the US strategic necessity to keep India down as far more important than Pakistan trying to kill the US Ambassador and sundry soldiers, and so the "strong" US continues to prop up Pakistan - the white man's and TFTA's conspiracy against SDREs.
The problem with accepting that Pakistan is a very difficult problem, even beyond the SuperPower is that a lot of the writings on BRF about Pakistan stand revealed as so much hot air. Much nicer to keep fulminating about the pusillanimous political leadership in India. Therefore it won't be accepted. People need some method for time-pass.
After the kandahar Hijacking and subsequent response I ackthood the then NDA govt for lack of testicles. I have been ackthooing UPA since day one.A_Gupta wrote:
Why did the Senate Committee vote to give Pakistan $1 billion in arms **after** Mullen's testimony?
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I know how this works - because it is unacceptable that the US seem impotent, this all will be interpreted as the US strategic necessity to keep India down as far more important than Pakistan trying to kill the US Ambassador and sundry soldiers, and so the "strong" US continues to prop up Pakistan - the white man's and TFTA's conspiracy against SDREs.
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