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Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 04 Dec 2013 18:26
by panduranghari
RoyG wrote:How do you guys feel about the Arthakranthi taxation regime? Looks interesting.

http://www.arthakranti.org/proposal/benefits

http://www.arthakranti.org/proposal/individual-benefits
I would call it 'reinventing the wheel'.

The problem with the current system is not corruption. the problem is the absence of a effective 'indicium' of the economic health of an individual, a collective, a state and rashtra. The return to a globally recognised indicium will take away the exorbitant privilege which permits the quality of life to be better in west than in the east.

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 05 Dec 2013 03:37
by panduranghari
dhruvM wrote:^ AFAIK, Satoshi Nakamoto is rumored to have a big cache of bitcoins as he was the guy who wrote the initial mining and blockchain code. Subsequently this Satoshi guy disappeared (smart bugger) and the open source code is now maintained by the bitcoin foundation.

There are 2 big threats though -

1. Bitcoin exchanges (where you'd convert BTC to USD/INR etc) are still controlled by central banks, hence vulnerable.

2. There are apprehensions that the bitcoin miners (people who devote resources to authenticate the blockchain, in turn acting as payment processors) can gang up and if 50% or more start acting in concert, the currency will lose its decentralized quality.

The current bull-run in bitcoins has been extremely interesting to follow. I discovered the existence of these around 2 yrs back when some yahoos in college informed us unwashed abduls of this new way to buy zam-zam cola online called Silk Road. If only I had the money that time, and the doordrishti, could have made more than 100x profits. :P Such is life.

EDIT: panduranghari ji, the biggest difference seems to be the fact that there will never be more than 21 million bitcoins in circulation. Hence it is fundamentally different from fiat. Also, the guys who initially wrote and promoted the code deserve the returns IMO.

I feel bitcoins are the best refuge of the scoundrels. All the drug/terrorism/cayman-island-corruption money types. Bet the hawala networks have already started using this.
Which is a bubble?
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Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 05 Dec 2013 13:35
by Singha
I hadnt realized that nobody knows who the inventor of bitcoin is....though many suspects exist.
http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/who-is ... of-bitcoin

I am reminded of the blue jon ostermann(dr manhattan) in watchmen series somehow...or bruce banner (the hulk)...someone with vast powers but not really interested in the whole fame/ego/wealth thing. perhaps deep in some forest town interior of brazil or indonesia he continues to work on whatever interests him like cures for incurable diseases...perhaps he is no more on this earth itself....
http://watchmen.wikia.com/wiki/Jon_Osterman

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 06 Dec 2013 02:47
by Suraj
Please stop bitcoin discussions in this thread. There are other threads for it.

Net direct tax collections up 14.6% in Apr-Nov
Net direct tax collection in April-November increased by 14.6 per cent to Rs 3,10,317 crore, compared with Rs 2,70,771 crore in the corresponding months of the previous financial year. The growth has picked up in the recent months reflecting an uptick in the economy. However, it is still lower than the 19 per cent increase projected in direct tax collections for the entire year.

Gross direct tax collection (before payment of income tax refunds) during April-November this year went up by 13.18 per cent to Rs 3,68,655 crore, against Rs 3,25,736 crore in the year-ago period.

Gross collection of corporation tax showed an increase of 9.66 per cent to Rs 2,25,124 crore in the eight-month period this year, compared with Rs 2,05,291 crore in the same period of 2012-13. Gross collection of personal income tax was up by 19.60 per cent to Rs 1,39,763 crore, against Rs 1,16,862 crore in the same months last year, the ministry said on Thursday.

Collection of Securities Transaction Tax stood at Rs 3,053 crore, showing a growth of 4.73 per cent. Revenue from the levy of wealth tax posted a growth of 13.38 per cent to Rs 712 crore, against Rs 628 crore in the corresponding period of 2012-13.

The government has set a direct tax collection target of Rs 6,68,108 crore for 2013-14, against Rs 5,65,835 crore in 2012-13. The collections had fallen short of the target by about Rs 5,000 crore last year.

Direct tax collections had increased by 13.33 per cent to Rs 2,84,339 crore in April-September this year. Finance ministry officials say though there has been a pick-up in tax collections, meeting the Budget target would still be difficult considering a slower-than-expected growth in the economy.

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 07 Dec 2013 11:02
by nawabs
WTO overcomes last minute hitch to reach its first global trade deal

http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/12/0 ... 4420131206
The deal slashes red tape at customs around the world, gives improved terms of trade to the poorest countries, and allows developing countries to skirt the normal rules on farm subsidies if they are trying to feed the poor. India's concerns that the Bali deal would give only a temporary shield to its food stockpile plan were resolved with wording that promised a search for a more permanent solution.

"The food security fix is something out of 1984, George Orwell would be proud," said Simon Evenett, professor of international trade at the Swiss University of St Gallen.

"The food security text is so contradictory that there must be an informal understanding among the big players as to what it really means."

India was under pressure to accept an eventual compromise, because failure of the Bali package would leave its food subsidy programme exposed to trade disputes that could lead to billions of dollars in trade sanctions.

The meat of the Bali deal is an agreement known in WTO jargon as "trade facilitation": streamlining and standardising customs and port procedures to speed trade globally.

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 08 Dec 2013 22:12
by Arjun
Wonder how the markets will react to the Assembly results...

While the 4-0 victory margin for Modi would ordinarily have tended to push the markets up....I think a new wrinkle has been introduced by the AAP's debut. So the market probably has to consider that the results next year may be more bipolar than earlier thought. While clearly the likelihood of the Congress getting routed next year has dramatically increased - there is also now a small chance that the spoils will be shared with the AAP rather than by swept by Modi alone. AAP by all accounts will be a far more anarchist and socialist-oriented force than a growth-oriented one - assuming that the party has even given any thought to the economy which I have not seen any evidence of so far. Overall this sudden emergence of the AAP is certainly not good news from the market's standpoint.

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 09 Dec 2013 00:57
by Supratik
I will be shocked if the AAP rocks the boat beyond Delhi in 2014. It is an experiment of Delhi-based leftists. The traditional leftist/socialist parties are already there in most states. I am assuming markets will factor that possibility.

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 09 Dec 2013 09:02
by vina
Ah.. A quick quiz. Which is the fastest growing startup today , founded by an IIT-ian? :lol: :lol: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 09 Dec 2013 09:50
by svinayak
Arjun wrote:Wonder how the markets will react to the Assembly results...

While the 4-0 victory margin for Modi would ordinarily have tended to push the markets up....I think a new wrinkle has been introduced by the AAP's debut. So the market probably has to consider that the results next year may be more bipolar than earlier thought. While clearly the likelihood of the Congress getting routed next year has dramatically increased - there is also now a small chance that the spoils will be shared with the AAP rather than by swept by Modi alone. AAP by all accounts will be a far more anarchist and socialist-oriented force than a growth-oriented one - assuming that the party has even given any thought to the economy which I have not seen any evidence of so far. Overall this sudden emergence of the AAP is certainly not good news from the market's standpoint.

BJP refuses to stake claim, Delhi stares at President’s rule - Hindustan Times

Falling just four seats short of the magic figure, the single largest party BJP says it will not form any post-poll alliance; Lieutenant Governor may recommend President’s rule.
HINDUSTAN TIMES

The Delhi voters deserve the President's Rule!


There may be election in another 6 mths and another non result.

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 09 Dec 2013 21:40
by Arjun
Surjit Bhalla on the disaster that is the AAP's economic policy

Column: Why the BJP loves AAP
Economic policy according to AAP/Kejriwal should be as follows (obtained from interviews, manifestos, etc). “GDP growth should be directly related to the lives of the people, but such growth affects very few people … AAP opposes privatisation, wants government into oil extraction (and much else), recommends an increase in effective taxes on the middle class and supports increases in fuel and electricity subsidies. AAP would take measures to ensure basic facilities; e.g. electricity expense reduction of 50% and 700 litres of free water. Further, AAP believes in government provision of high quality education and health, regulation of fees of private schools, implementation of minimum wages etc.”

The AAP may signal the birth of honest politics (I believe it does) but it most likely signals the birth of Luddite and extremely dishonest economics. Until I read the AAP manifesto, I believed that it was a close race between Ms Sonia Gandhi and Mr Hugo Chavez of Venezuela for the title of Populist of the Century. In her spurt over the last five years, the close race is no more—Ms Gandhi is the champion. But I believe the title should go to Mr Kejriwal as revealed by his economic views as quoted above.

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 09 Dec 2013 22:10
by Singha
even a rich and small nation like sweden or brunei would find it hard to support his economic model.

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 09 Dec 2013 22:12
by nachiket
^^Unfortunately, this also goes to show how many educated Indians, even in a city like Delhi fall for this populist socialist crap. AAP needs to be given a chance to implement their model in Delhi so as to disabuse the people of their terrible understanding of basic economics and their love affair with socialism.

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 09 Dec 2013 23:16
by Theo_Fidel
Whether we like it or not this question will come up again and again.

The only way to generate wealth is a capitalist liberal democracy. But it is also very clear that capitalism concentrates wealth to a frightening amount. Finding a happy balance between ‘redistribution’ and wealth creation is going be hard. Esp. in a place like India where the poor are so large in numbers.

Personally the focus on education and health sounds like a good plan. I’m not opposed to better regulation of private schools as long as government steps in with funding its proposals. For instance we had the strong push to reserve seats in private schools for disadvantaged, not a bad idea but government should provide funding to expand the education pool rather than cannibalizing existing capacity.

I don’t oppose the cheap electricity and cheap water bit if the same access is provided to industry, manufacturing, etc. Definitely China has gone this route of providing cheap subsidized energy to companies and people and within limits it has worked out. Just guaranteeing 700 liters to every human being will have huge benefits, economic and human. Our work force will be healthier, more productive and less distracted by mundane things.

Taxing the middle class sounds like a bad idea.
Opposing privatization is a terrible idea.
Minimum wage? What the.
I support a living wage for folks but they should be more productive as well. For instance for the past 30 years the team of 8-12 laborers I use have NOT increased productivity one bit. They still take 10 days to plant my fields. How can anyone expect me to pay them more, adjusted for inflation, for the same work?

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 09 Dec 2013 23:41
by nachiket
Theo_Fidel wrote: I don’t oppose the cheap electricity and cheap water bit if the same access is provided to industry, manufacturing, etc. Definitely China has gone this route of providing cheap subsidized energy to companies and people and within limits it has worked out. Just guaranteeing 700 liters to every human being will have huge benefits, economic and human. Our work force will be healthier, more productive and less distracted by mundane things.

Taxing the middle class sounds like a bad idea.
You can't have one without the other. Without increasing taxes where is the money needed to subsidize electricity and water going to come from? Bear in mind that they promised to cut electricity tariffs by a whopping 50%. Cost of electricity generation isn't going down. So where will the extra money come from? And if they are given a mandate to form a national govt., are they going to guarantee the same for the entire country?

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 10 Dec 2013 00:24
by vishvak
Finance Ministry not parting with cess for developing oil sector
There seems to be no monies to save monies in the long run.

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 10 Dec 2013 01:56
by Theo_Fidel
It can be done without heavy taxation in principle. Look at how China did it.
- Zero royalty on coal.
- Sell coal deposits at zero cost to private sector / mine bosses.
- 0% loans to power plants.
- Eliminate most scrubbing, pollution control.
- Zero cost land
- Swipe IP as needed.
- Subsidize heavily, railway, taxes, transmission, etc.

The key is to do it for every one including manufacturing, industry and business. Somehow one feels the AAP is not on the same page here.

Now you can argue about the morality of some of these things but economic benefits of low cost electricity to the economy is undeniable.

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 10 Dec 2013 04:51
by Vayutuvan
Theo_Fidel wrote:- Eliminate most scrubbing, pollution control.
...
Now you can argue about the morality of some of these things but economic benefits of low cost electricity to the economy is undeniable.
Forget morality - there are real consequences. Today several channels in US are showing skyline/traffic in some large city in China (I missed the name) whose smog puts almost all cities in India to shame along with the voice over that the residents are being asked to stay inside to avoid getting sick. Morality kO gOLI mArO (forget morality). This is kalidasa option (hacking the tree branch one is sitting on) :lol:

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 10 Dec 2013 06:56
by vina
Theo_Fidel wrote:It can be done without heavy taxation in principle. Look at how China did it.
- Zero royalty on coal.
- Sell coal deposits at zero cost to private sector / mine bosses.
- 0% loans to power plants.
- Eliminate most scrubbing, pollution control.
- Zero cost land
- Swipe IP as needed.
- Subsidize heavily, railway, taxes, transmission, etc.
All these are implicit subsidies and wont work in India. For eg, all the coal producing states (and rightly so) will scream murder if there was zero royalty and private sector/mine bosses getting coal for free will be a scam that will stink to high heavens and 0% loans are not without costs, it will increase interest costs for everyone else and of course, that level of pollution will see a flood of people into the healthcare system with severe respiratory and other diseases.

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 10 Dec 2013 16:54
by alexis
Theo_Fidel wrote:It can be done without heavy taxation in principle. Look at how China did it.
- Zero royalty on coal.
- Sell coal deposits at zero cost to private sector / mine bosses.
- 0% loans to power plants.
- Eliminate most scrubbing, pollution control.
- Zero cost land
- Swipe IP as needed.
- Subsidize heavily, railway, taxes, transmission, etc.

The key is to do it for every one including manufacturing, industry and business. Somehow one feels the AAP is not on the same page here.

Now you can argue about the morality of some of these things but economic benefits of low cost electricity to the economy is undeniable.
^^^
So coal scam is not a scam as per you? Subsidy is bad under whatever avatar!

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 11 Dec 2013 00:46
by SBajwa
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2013/20131210/main4.htm

Biz czars gung-ho on Punjab, pledge Rs 55k cr
Govt signs MoUs with 21 firms on Day 1 of investor summit as Sukhbir hard-sells new policy
Ruchika M. Khanna
Tribune News Service

Chandigarh, December 9
The Progressive Punjab Investors Summit got off to a flying start on Monday with the participation of corporate czars from across sectors. As many as 21 companies signed agreements with the Punjab Government entailing an investment of Rs 55,000 crore and creation of an estimated one lakh jobs.

For a state trying to hard-sell itself as the most preferred investment destination, it has done well during its maiden investor summit. With Reliance Industries chairman Mukesh Ambani, Arcelor Mittal chairman LN Mittal, ITC chairman YC Deveshwar, Bharti Airtel chairman Sunil Bharti Mittal, Hero Motocorp vice-chairman Sunil Kant Munjal, Biocon chairman Dr Kiran Mazumdar Shaw, and other corporate topshots lining up for the summit as well as committing investment worth thousands of crores, the Punjab Government could not have asked for more.

While RIL announced an investment of Rs 2,500 crore in the state to set up a digital platform to provide 4G services, Bharti Airtel, too, will take its 4G services to all towns in Punjab by investing Rs 4,000 crore. Arcelor Mittal announced its decision to expand the Bathinda refinery (set up by HPCL and Mittal Energy Limited) by increasing its capacity by 25 per cent.

ITC Limited will set up a world-class food park near Ludhiana at a cost of Rs 500 crore while Cargill India proposes to set up a cattle feed farm. The state will also see IT giant Infosys Technologies come up with a 20,000-seat facility at Mohali while Adlabs proposes to set up an amusement and theme park at a cost of Rs 1,200 crore.

The two-day summit saw not just the political and bureaucratic leadership talk about Punjab as the next big investment destination, but also saw ‘Punjab ke Puttar’ -- top corporate leaders who called themselves Punjabi by birth and Punjabi by heart - share their experiences of doing business in the state. Industry captains gave a thumbs-up to the Akali-BJP government and the proactive stance taken by Deputy Chief Minister Sukhbir Singh Badal to invite investors and make them commit to investing in the state. Sukhbir, the driving force behind the summit and who personally went to meet industry captains and invite them to invest in the state, reiterated the state’s commitment to think big and achieve big.

“Ideas are more important than resources. Our mandate is to rebuild Punjab, which is possible only by getting the state on the fast track to industrial growth.

We have already created the right infrastructure to attract and sustain industry. We have enhanced our power generation, built good road connectivity and airports and are now offering a single window clearance from the CEO of the Punjab Bureau of Investment Promotion.

With the opening of the border with Pakistan, the industry will find this the most attractive destination as it will give access to countries such as Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran,” he said. Chief Minister Parkash Singh Badal, while lauding Sukhbir for getting industry captains to invest in the state, asked him to follow up with the investors every few months and ensure that the MoUs do not remain on paper alone.

“Please change the term memorandum of understanding to memorandum of consent or promise. This will ensure that all these people honour the commitment made to us and invest in the state,” he said, while asking the Deputy CM to be continuously in touch with the industrialists so as to be result-oriented.

Look who’s here

* Airtel to pump in Rs 4,000 cr to take 4G services to all towns

* Fortis Healthcare to set up Rs 4,000-cr medical varsity

* RIL to invest Rs 2,500 cr to build digital infra for 4G services

* Hindujas to invest Rs 2,000 cr in real estate

* Adlabs to set up Rs 1,200-cr amusement and theme park

* ITC Limited to set up Rs 500 cr food park near Ludhiana

* Infosys Technologies to set up 20,000-seat facility at Mohali

* Arcelor Mittal to expand Bathinda refinery capacity by 25%

"Please change the term memorandum of understanding to memorandum of consent or memorandum of promise. This will ensure all these people honour the commitment made to us and invest in the state."

Parkash Singh Badal, Punjab CM

"Our mandate is to rebuild Punjab, which is possible only by getting the state on the fast track to industrial growth. We have already created the right infrastructure to attract and sustain industry."

Sukhbir Singh Badal, Punjab Deputy CM

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 11 Dec 2013 00:48
by SBajwa
Important MoUs signed

Reliance Industries Limited signed an MoU for creating digital platform and launching 4G services with an investment of Rs 2,500 crore
Bharti Airtel signed an MoU to take high-speed 4G LTE services to all towns and villages, investing Rs 4,000 crore.
ITC Ltd to set up a food park near Ludhiana with an investment of Rs 500 crore.
DLF Universal to invest Rs 5,700 crore in real estate in New Chandigarh, Ludhiana and Jalandhar.
Fortis Healthcare to invest Rs 4,000 crore on medical university and hospitals.
Ranbaxy to invest Rs 150 crore on expanding its plants
Hindujas to invest Rs 2,000 crore in real estate sector
Adlabs to invest Rs 1,200 crore on a theme and amusement park
Kirloskar to invest on a solar park with a Rs 500 crore investment
Cargill India to set up a cattlefeed plant with an investment of Rs 500 crore
Nahar Industries to set up a spinning and garment factory, invest Rs 1,700 crore
DSM india to invest Rs 350 crore in pharmaceutical business
International Tractors Limited to invest Rs 500 crore on expanding its facility
Khanna Paper Mills to invest Rs 500 crore on expansion

Prominent participants

RIL chairman Mukesh Ambani
Arcelor Mittal chairman LN Mittal
Bharti Airtel chairman Sunil Bharti Mittal
ITC Chairman YC Deveshwar
Hero Moto Corp vice-chairman Sunil Kant Munjal
GVK Group chairman GVK Reddy
DLF vice-chairman Rajiv Singh

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 11 Dec 2013 01:11
by nawabs
Govt sets up two funds to underwrite education loans

http://www.livemint.com/Politics/XA3Ea5 ... loans.html
The government has finally set up a pair of credit guarantee funds that will underwrite up to 75% of the value of loans extended to students—a move it expects will make banks shed their reluctance to offer educational loans.The education credit guarantee fund has a corpus of Rs.3,500 crore and the skill education credit guarantee fund has been endowed with Rs.1,000 crore, three government officials said on condition of anonymity. They will start offering guarantees for student loans starting in January.There is also a stipulation that the interest rate charged by banks for education loan cannot be more than 2% over the existing base rate of the bank.

For underwriting a loan, the credit guarantee fund can charge the banks a fee up to a maximum of 1% of the loan amount, said a second government official. While all higher education loans of up to Rs.7.5 lakh will be eligible for the guarantee, skill education loans upto Rs.1.5 lakh will be underwritten.

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 11 Dec 2013 02:10
by Katare
nachiket wrote:^^Unfortunately, this also goes to show how many educated Indians, even in a city like Delhi fall for this populist socialist crap. AAP needs to be given a chance to implement their model in Delhi so as to disabuse the people of their terrible understanding of basic economics and their love affair with socialism.
These people are not looking at economic policies they are for first time relating to a person in Indian politics. They are looking at his honesty, integrity and brave fight. When they'll see his economics and politics they'll all run away.

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 11 Dec 2013 12:54
by sooraj
Gujarat to generate energy from waste in 50 cities: Narendra Modi
http://articles.economictimes.indiatime ... nt-gujarat

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 13 Dec 2013 05:31
by Suraj
Exports grow 5.86% yoy, imports fall 16.37% in November
India’s exports slipped to $24.61 billion in November from $27.27 billion in October. The performance was 5.86 per cent better than November 2012, though.

The government’s stringent gold import curbs restricted overall imports during said month to a two-and-a-half year low of $33.83 billion or 16.37 per cent lower compared to the same month last year. As a result, the trade deficit narrowed to $9.22 billion, according to the official data released here on Wednesday.

“Three-product categories in the export basket (petroleum goods, gems and jewellery and pharmaceuticals) have pulled down our exports,” Commerce Secretary S. R. Rao told reporters after the trade data was released.

Gold and silver imports were down 80.49 per cent to $1.05 billion in November compared to a year earlier, according to the release.
Exports between April and November are $205 billion, still on track to make the $330B annual target with a boost in shipments over holiday season.

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 13 Dec 2013 13:08
by Austin
CAD narrows to 1.2% of GDP, but India not out of woods as overseas loan repayments loom
http://articles.economictimes.indiatime ... ld-imports

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 17 Dec 2013 01:13
by Prem
India Leaks $344 Billion in Dirty Money.
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2013/12/ ... rty-money/
While India has never been your standard Asian export powerhouse, it is one of the world’s largest exporters of one commodity: Dirty money.The total amount of dirty money India exported in the decade ended in 2011, came to a whopping $344 billion, making the South Asian country the world’s fifth largest developing country exporter of illicit cash after China, Russia, Mexico and Malaysia, according to a report this week by Global Financial Integrity, a Washington DC-based research and advocacy organization.
The illicit outflows from crime, corruption and tax evasion grew more than 10-fold during those 10 years to reach $85 billion in 2011, the report said, as corruption in the south Asian nation grew at a faster pace than even the impressive expansion of the economy. For comparison, India’s exports for 2011 came to about $300 billion.“The organization uses data from the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank and official data from each country to calculate illicit fund flows. It looks at the differences between the declared value of exports when they leave a country and the value declared when they land somewhere else as imports.India and other developing countries need to create new policies and better monitor trade and financial flows to keep this black money at home, Global Finance Integrity said.“Poor countries hemorrhaged nearly a trillion dollars from their economies in 2011 that could have been invested in local businesses, healthcare, education, or infrastructure,” said GFI junior economist Brian LeBlanc, the other author of the report. “This is nearly a trillion dollars that could have been used to help pull people out of poverty and save lives. Without concrete action, the drain on the developing world is only going to grow larger,” he added.

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 17 Dec 2013 06:40
by Suraj
Despite Rajan's hawkish anti-inflationary stance, inflation remains persistently high. Without supply-side improvements, there's only so much monetary policy can do. People aren't going to stop eating and drinking, and demand side cannot be altered. RBI will probably respond by further raising rates to stamp out inflation, just as the FinMin would like them to do the opposite to spur growth.
All eyes on RBI as inflation hits 14-month high, food prices hurt
Driven by surging food prices, wholesale price index-based inflation rose to a 14-month high of 7.52 per cent in November from 7 per cent in the previous month, official data showed on Monday. The development makes a repo rate hike by the Reserve Bank of India (RBI) on Wednesday appear a foregone conclusion.

Inflation numbers for two earlier months have also been restated — both revised upwards. The September figure was revised to 7.05 per cent on Monday from the earlier estimate of 6.46 per cent. The figure for August had been revised last month to 6.99 per cent from the 6.10 per cent announced initially.

This is the last set of data before the monetary policy review on Wednesday. Last week, official data showed that consumer price index-based inflation accelerated to an all-time high of 11.24 per cent in November compared to 10.17 per cent in October.

Experts are predicting that the central bank will opt for a 25-basis point hike in the repo rate. “We expect the RBI to raise the repo rate by 25 bps in the mid-quarter review to guard against further hardening of inflationary expectations and generalisation of food inflation,” said Aditi Nayar, senior economist at rating agency ICRA. Ghosh agreed that a hike of 25 bps was on the cards.

Industry chambers urged the central bank to take a contrarian call and hold rates if a cut was not possible. Assocham said data suggested that inflation was largely caused by a steep rise in food prices.

“We hope the RBI will take due cognisance of the fact that growth is still feeble and needs support,” said Ficci.

Prices of manufactured items also moved up in November, a trend seen since August. Inflation for manufactured products stood at 2.64 per cent in November from 2.5 per cent a month ago. Core inflation, which refers to manufactured items excluding food articles, stood at 2.7 per cent, a slight increase over 2.6 per cent a month ago. Core inflation is thought to be a crucial factor in monetary policy.
I wouldn't be surprised if the RBI goes so far as to raise the repo rate by 50bps. There's very little that can be done in the short term to undo the effects of years of economic mismanagement. Low growth and stalled revenues means GoI has few avenues to spend on its dole programs for the elections. An attempt at a scorched earth tactic would play into the opposition's hands.

Andy Mukherjee, who used to have a regular column on Bloomberg India until the late 2000s, has been writing on Business Standard lately. His most recent article is on the next PM's economic agenda:
Quick fixes for PM Modi
Narendra Modi should think small during 2014. If the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) does win next year's general election in India - as political pundits increasingly believe it will - the future prime minister should resist the temptation to immediately unveil a grand economic strategy. In the interim, he should focus on quick and effective repair jobs in the banking, electricity and textile sectors.

Such a limited agenda sounds counterintuitive. Indians are impatient for an end to the double whammy of economic stagnation and high inflation. Financial markets are already pricing in a victory for Mr Modi. Moreover, resistance to unpopular decisions is usually at its lowest when politicians are still enjoying the first flush of victory.

But a dose of realism is needed. By the time Mr Modi and his Cabinet are ready for business, the first quarter of India's next financial year will be over. A hurried reform agenda will be either too squeamish or too ambitious and impractical. In either case, investors will end up disappointed.

The Union Budget in February 2015 will be the first real opportunity for Mr Modi's finance minister to present a well-conceived strategy for economic reconstruction. In the meantime, the new government should focus on repair work - the kind that will pay quick dividends but won't require messy legislation.

Three tasks that can help build investor confidence and prepare the ground for deeper reforms stand out: recapitalising banks, giving more electricity to villages and increasing the interest rate subsidy for textile industry loans.

A bold recapitalisation of government-run banks will revive stalled credit flow. Indian banks rated by Moody's Investors Service could need up to $6 billion (Rs 36,000 crore) in fresh capital next year. Most of the shortfall will be in state-run lenders. At two per cent of the federal government's annual expenditure, recapitalisation will be an expensive proposition, but not prohibitively so. Just the top 11 state-owned banks have received $7 billion from the government over the past four years. Besides, since shares in many of these banks are changing hands for less than their book value, a recovery in credit will see the government make a paper profit on its investment once the bad loan problem eases.

In exchange for writing the cheque, though, Mr Modi should insist on merging the 26 state lenders into, say, 10 larger, better-managed banks over time. When Palaniappan Chidambaram, the current finance minister, mooted the idea of consolidation eight years ago, about one million bank workers protested. But the lenders' woeful finances present an opportunity for Mr Modi to restart the project. The new government doesn't need to immediately embark on a privatisation drive - although that is where consolidation will eventually lead once there's political appetite for it.

Another of Mr Modi's immediate repair jobs should be to contain rampant losses in the power sector. India's power distribution utilities lose 1.5 per cent of gross domestic product (GDP) annually. That's partly because of theft. But mostly, it's because of farmers. They guzzle power but hardly pay anything for it. The state-owned distribution utilities lose money and cannot repay working capital loans to state-run banks. Last year, the government had to step in and restructure $35 billion (Rs 2 lakh crore) of the utilities' debts.

The distribution companies' attempts to manage the problem make it worse. They provide very little electricity to villages, and enforce debilitating power cuts in cities. This crushes productivity. A permanent solution is perhaps still many years away. But a good interim fix will be to separate the feeder cables that supply electricity to farms for irrigation from those that carry it to the rest of the village.

A World Bank study of a small area in Mr Modi's home state of Gujarat where such separation of lines has been implemented showed a 22 per cent jump in villagers' real incomes, compared with a smaller 13 per cent escalation in their real energy expenses. The distribution company still may have to supply as much free or nearly free power for irrigation as before, but it benefits by recouping the full cost of electricity from village households and small industries. Healthier distribution companies will increase the attractiveness of India's power business to investors. India's infrastructure for generating, transmitting and distributing electricity will need $1 trillion (Rs 61 lakh crore) in investment over 20 years, according to consulting firm Bain.

The solution is also easy to execute. The per-kilometre cost of separate cables is about $4,000 (Rs 2.4 lakh). Rather than dangle the carrot of federal assistance to states that commit to lowering their power distribution losses, Mr Modi should make an immediate, non-conditional grant to cover the expense. Productivity gains alone will pay for the investment in a short period.

Raising productivity in the textile industry will be harder. India is the world's second-largest cotton producer after China. But while China imports cotton to make clothes for the world, India will this year export about one-fourth of its production. This should alarm Mr Modi. After all, the country could create more jobs by turning cotton into fabric and garments for exports. But unlike its rivals in Bangladesh and Pakistan, the Indian textile industry doesn't enjoy much preferential access to developed countries. Besides, the current government has massively increased guaranteed minimum prices for cotton farmers, crimping manufacturers' profitability.

The government has offered some help: textile manufacturers enjoy a three percentage point interest subsidy on export credit. However, Mr Modi should increase it to five per cent for five years. That might seem like making an industry that's beginning to benefit from a weaker rupee more dependent on handouts. But it's better to give money to companies that can create hundreds of thousands of new jobs than waste it on subsidising cereal consumption in a nation where the real nutritional shortage is in protein.
The recapitalization and merger of banks is a particularly interesting idea. Having a fragmented set of lenders does not help us much. It means no bank really has the capital base to support large infrastructure development loans.

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 00:54
by Suraj
The hawkish Rajan makes the dovish move of holding rates as is:
RBI holds rate for now but warns of future hike
The Reserve Bank of India (RBI) on Wednesday surprised the market by maintaining the status quo on interest rates in the mid-quarter review of its monetary policy. It, however, warned of a possible rate increase in the coming months if inflation did not come down. Markets, which had factored in a 25-basis-point repo rate increase, cheered the move but some experts said the central bank was in denial mode and might have to do a ‘catch-up’ job.

The repo rate was kept unchanged at 7.75 per cent and the cash reserve ratio — the proportion of deposits banks must park with RBI in cash — remains four per cent.

Following the RBI move, the BSE Sensex snapped a six-day losing streak to gain 240 points, or 1.2 per cent, over its previous close. Rate-sensitive stocks, such as those from the automobile, realty and banking sectors, outperformed the broader index.

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 01:02
by Rahul M
Suraj, what's your opinion on the tax abolition proposal from bjp ?

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 05:53
by Suraj
Rahul M wrote:Suraj, what's your opinion on the tax abolition proposal from bjp ?
They're wasting their time coming up with grandiose ideas like that. Sounds great on paper. Tell me how they'll overcome all the inertia around the existing system to implement it - and how much it will cost to do so and how they justify that cost - and it would be worth looking at seriously.

Their PM nominee is a hands-on get it done type of guy. They don't need these kinds of imaginative stunts, but just to emphasize repeatedly upon the need for effective and meaningful governance that delivers. We don't have a shortage of ideas, we have a massive deficit when it comes to effectiveness of implementation.

There's a huge amount of low hanging fruit that involves just getting different ministries to work together in harmony to effectively enable capital to be deployed into investments, and to drive growth. Modi has alerady demonstrated he can do that pretty well at the state level, and if elected, should focus on scaling that up at the federal level.

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 09:06
by Austin
Will Rupee tank now Fed is gradually tapering its QE ?

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 09:52
by Austin
Guess Rupee is already shivering with this small taper announcement

Rupee slips to 62.40 per dollar after Fed's taper decision

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 09:58
by Suraj
Austin wrote:Guess Rupee is already shivering with this small taper announcement

Rupee slips to 62.40 per dollar after Fed's taper decision
Pretty much every significant currency responded to the dollar in the same manner in response to the announcement too.

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 11:30
by Austin
We will wait and see how Rupee reacts to this low QE withdrawal , most certainly due to CAD we would be impacted among BRICS along with Brazil and Indonesia is another one to look out for.

Coming days and weeks would give us some food for thought and give us data to compare with others

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 11:33
by Austin
India better prepared to deal with Fed tapering: Chidambaram
After agonising investors for months, the Fed decided on Wednesday to trim its bond buying by $10 billion to $75 billion a month as a modest step and one the U.S. economy could well withstand. Crucially, the U.S. central bank softened the blow by making its forward guidance even more dovish.

"(The) government is of the view that the markets had already factored in the U.S. Federal Reserve's decision and therefore is not likely to be surprised by these moderate changes," Chidambaram said in a written statement released by his office.

Worries over the Fed's possible tapering had triggered massive capital outflows between May and September from emerging markets.

Saddled with hefty current account and fiscal deficits, India looked the most vulnerable. The rupee went in a free fall, losing as much as 20 per cent against the dollar before recovering. This prompted India to unleash a slew of measures to bolster its forex reserves and rein in the current account gap.

Chidambaram also spoke to Reserve Bank of India Governor Raghuram Rajan on Thursday morning to discuss the Fed tapering, the statement added.

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 20:00
by Rahul Mehta
Rahul M wrote:Suraj, what's your opinion on the tax abolition proposal from bjp ?
Rahul M,

So far BJP has NOT made any proposal. BJP has only said that they are considering the proposal.
Suraj wrote:They're wasting their time coming up with grandiose ideas like that. Sounds great on paper. Tell me how they'll overcome all the inertia around the existing system to implement it - and how much it will cost to do so and how they justify that cost - and it would be worth looking at seriously. Their PM nominee is a hands-on get it done type of guy. They don't need these kinds of imaginative stunts, but just to emphasize repeatedly upon the need for effective and meaningful governance that delivers. We don't have a shortage of ideas, we have a massive deficit when it comes to effectiveness of implementation. There's a huge amount of low hanging fruit that involves just getting different ministries to work together in harmony to effectively enable capital to be deployed into investments, and to drive growth. Modi has alerady demonstrated he can do that pretty well at the state level, and if elected, should focus on scaling that up at the federal level.
Suraj,

Lets keep politics aside. Lets say all administrative infrastructure is there. Then is it good idea from economics point of view to cancel all taxes and have ONLY transaction tax of x% on all bank transactions?

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 22:29
by Rahul M
thx suraj, in line with what I expected.

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 22:45
by Suraj
Rahul Mehta wrote:Suraj,

Lets keep politics aside. Lets say all administrative infrastructure is there. Then is it good idea from economics point of view to cancel all taxes and have ONLY transaction tax of x% on all bank transactions?
No thanks. That sort of 'lets say <pie in the sky assumption>' discussion is really just mental floss. It's like starting a discussion with 'lets say India is an authoritarian state led by leaders who are identical clones of Lee Kuan Yew. How often do you think the streets should be swept ?'

The whole matter is a pointless waste of energy built on unrealistic assumptions, which is my fundamental issue with it.

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

Posted: 26 Dec 2013 09:01
by svinayak
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/world/ju ... 12-25.html
Indian central bank chief on the wake-up call to reduce foreign money dependence

Mostly a psy ops interview
How come suddenly they are interested in RBI chief
Until now they were not interested.