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Waters of the Chenab would be a good first start.
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Nesoj wrote:
but we do have the capacity to store a considerable amount (say 7-10 days flow) with our barrages and dams .

What are those barrages and dams, and on which rivers?
There are numerous barrages
Just today, I read, in Puki newspapers, the Commissioner ?? (who was incidentally in Kashmir, during the Mumbai attack) making a statement that India had withheld water in Aug (for some extra 7 days or so) and that Pakistan would end up as a desert
http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=18560

Monday, November 24, 2008

By our correspondent

LAHORE: The Indus Water Commissioner, Jamaat Ali Shah, said on Sunday that India would turn Pakistan into a barren country by 2014 by blocking its waters.

Addressing a seminar at the Lahore Press Club, he said India had constructed dams on various rivers and the construction was still continuing. He said India could generate electricity but not stop Pakistan’s water under the Indus Water Treaty.

About the recent water stoppage by India, he said India claimed that it had stopped Pakistan’s water from August 19 to August 28. “However, we do not accept the Indian point of view because India had stopped water till September 5 according to our estimates,” he added.

He said an Indian delegation would visit Pakistan on November 29 to discuss the issue. Speaking on the occasion, representatives of various farmers organisations said India had violated the Indus Water Treaty by constructing the Baghlihar Dam. They said if the Pakistani government remained inactive, then India would destroy Pakistan’s economy and capture the country without a war.


So we have the means - it's just that we need to take the decision
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As we prepare militarily and keep Baki busy guessing about invasion of PAKJAB, spend the $ on war footing in building dams on rivers flowing to Pakajabishaitan. India must engage them in economic and military war of atrirtion till they fataly succumb. Most important we must clean our own house of overt, covert Baki assets and their PS promoters.
Russian Ambassador's statement is very important and reminder for every one that eventually we stand alone and must find solution to our strategic /security issues ourself without looking for any help or validation from ousider.
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Guys, there is a reason (as always) why I am not in favor of this "cut off the water flow" business. Yes, yes... but it's not what u think.

The fast-flowing waters of the Sutlej, Beas etc. are needed to float dead Paki terrorists down into Terroristan, usually headless, so that they can feel inspired about coming across the Ellosea. If you had been browsing these parts a year ago you would have seen that.

800 a year, at least, we were told. Now imagine if the water flow is stopped. UGGGGHH!! :shock:
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After the series of serial bomb blasts in India earlier this year we had a poll on BRF about terrorism.

I had sumarized BRF veiws in a graph.

How much do you think opinions would be different today

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Change the title of the thread or start a new thread called

"Indian Non Response to Terrorism"

1001 ways why India should not retaliate.

1001 ways to cut costs by not going to war.

Worry about Economy, Wages but dont wage War

etc etc creative titles
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John Snow wrote:Change the title of the thread or start a new thread called

"Indian Non Response to Terrorism"

1001 ways why India should not retaliate.

1001 ways to cut costs by not going to war.

Worry about Economy, Wages but dont wage War

etc etc creative titles
Good ole' Spin...

8)
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John Snow wrote:Change the title of the thread or start a new thread called

"Indian Non Response to Terrorism"

1001 ways why India should not retaliate.

1001 ways to cut costs by not going to war.

Worry about Economy, Wages but don't wage War

etc etc creative titles
Are you failing to acknowledge my contribution?

I have already started a thread called "Whom shall we blame this time?"

Here is the thread

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... f=1&t=4476
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Do we have any bridges, across the rivers leading to Pukistan ? Preferably a large one, near one of the our major towns near the border, easily accessable by tourists ? The reason for this question is that I would like to rename this as the 'Peace Bridge' ...... oops sorry !! 'Pi$$ Bridge'.

We need to make this a major Tourist attraction with all Tourists who come, stand on the bridge and have a customary pi$$ over it into the waters leading to Pukistan. (create a legend that pi$$ing over the bridge gives one luck, and everlasting 'peace' - yikes..... these stupid Indian customs :rotfl: :rotfl: )

Photographs need be taken of this by all visting, posted on major file sharing sites (flikr etc) to increase it's popularity and awareness around the world. Let the Pukis (who call us cow urine drinkers in their forums & blogs) know and see, that what they are drinking is just a cocktail of pure and natural 'Yindu pi$$' mixed with the icy waters of the holy rivers of the Himalayas.

So guy's lets start the 'Pi$$ for Peace' campaign. To all Puki's ....... Pi$$'a malekum :mrgreen:
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John Snow wrote:Change the title of the thread or start a new thread called

"Indian Non Response to Terrorism"

1001 ways why India should not retaliate.

1001 ways to cut costs by not going to war.

Worry about Economy, Wages but dont wage War

etc etc creative titles
You haven't seen the last scene yet, IMO. IA will be destroying 3 or 4 Pakistani bunkers and if we are lucky IAF will shoot down plane may be...Our media will portray as if the war has started, TSP will make a lot of noise but basically ignore it and that will be the curtains for this act.

In the mean time Tendulkar will get out in the 90s, Shewag will score a scorching century...
BR will coin new acronyms, new members will join, potty mouths will get banned...
ATS will find a new clue on Purohit...

Everything is back to normal and the incident will be in the distant past and will get added to TSP perfidies like Kandhahar, Kargil and now Kasav...
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Guys:

Reporting from Bangalore, India. Watching TimesNow showing the very disappointing performance of BJP in the state elections. Congress running pretty hard. Some of Sonia's mouthpieces declared that terror is only an issue among the upper middle class. One other Congress walls referred made light of the Mumbai attacks as a 'light and dance show' or something to the effect. This projected Congress victory plus some symbolic BS that TSPA is undertaking at an LeT camp will be used by Sonia's mouthpieces as 'victory'. So much for India's response to terror :-).
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CRamS wrote:Guys:

Reporting from Bangalore, India. Watching TimesNow showing the very disappointing performance of BJP in the state elections. Congress running pretty hard. Some of Sonia's mouthpieces declared that terror is only an issue among the upper middle class. One other Congress walls referred made light of the Mumbai attacks as a 'light and dance show' or something to the effect. This projected Congress victory plus some symbolic BS that TSPA is undertaking at an LeT camp will be used by Sonia's mouthpieces as 'victory'. So much for India's response to terror :-).
Are people taking this seriously
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Taking this seriously? Well, that just happened in Delhi & Rajasthan. :roll:

But what baffles me is that though terrorism is not an issue in the rural sectors but surely inflation must be? Even then they chose to vote for Congress? :shock:
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one scenario that we haven't talked about is the TOTAL ISOLATION of PAKISTAN AND AFGHANISTAN by land air and sea to the rest of the world. it will need the agreement of Unkil, the Stans and Iran - naval and air blockade are easy enough. LEave them to duke it out between themselves for 2-3 years and we'll deal with whoever is left standing by rigourous means.

arranging the political levers for this will be near impossible, but just imagine - its the least cost way for the world to deal with the jehadic problem
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IMHO, the thread has been largely focused on the psychological war that happens to hit back at the real enemies, and gave a lesser feedback into a response system that prevents a large casuality on our soil.

I am not seeing POTA returning back.. but I leave that at political ends. what we can do, for the least for the cops:-

1. give them an advanced baton. that appears like the usual baton, but has LASER locator and pointer to shoot a strong non-lethal shock wave.
2. strong composite construction with rechargeable lithium polymer batteries.
3. a re-engineered INSAS or Indian cops. reduced size, weight, and not more than 1/2 - 3/4 kg, having a range of shoot to kill at least 100 meters or more.
4. NSG like unit for each city, under the cops control. they are LSG, local security guards.- they get trained often by NSG., and has similar arms as do NSG.
5. While concentrating on terrorist, we lose the real sins our cops did over the years. give them education how to treat normal citizens, behavior and yoga classes, especially how to respect human beings with non abusive words.

If we can have these as minimum response after mumbai attacks, there is a good start to response.

Our military needs a lot of changes, especially how they are to identify normal sea borne vessels to foe. a better system of identification installed IFF on all vessels, is need of the hour.
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Chandragupta wrote:Taking this seriously? Well, that just happened in Delhi & Rajasthan. :roll:

But what baffles me is that though terrorism is not an issue in the rural sectors but surely inflation must be? Even then they chose to vote for Congress? :shock:
with respect to the context of the thread, i would say response based on voting decisions, has any relationship with response to terrorism.. for a response to terrorism, one should not count on politicians to do anything.

this is is the fundamental lesson you have to learn, that ballots based on party, people and babooishtic thoughts, will only push India to a wrong notion of secured state.

security is a failure as a policy itself in India. From a given set of pool of men, you are trying to say, the other person will give better security, makes no sense.
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Guys,

Reading a few members posts it appears that the Congress is the cause for all the terror and BJP is the answer.

I beg to differ --

Whose Govt was it when the parliament was attacked ?
Whose Govt was it when our plane was hijacked ?
Whose Govt was it when Pakistan occupied Kargil ?
Who's was the Minister that personally escorted terrorists in jail to freedom ?
To what extent did POTA control terorism ?

I am not extolling the Congress, but frankly I see BJP as weak or weaker that the Congress in controlling the terror. OK, BJP can talk now (as all political parties talk) but their track record proves otherwise.

It's basically choosing between Tweedledum and Tweedledee - both incompetent, self serving parties with load mouths and no actions. Frankly, what do you expect the BJP would have done differently, in case they were in power ? Don't try and convince me that India, if under BJP Govt, would have declared war, captured Pakistan by now and LKA would be sitting in Islamabad having tea. If they were so capable - why did'nt they do do it when they were in power - there was not one but many provocations. All they did was to turn around and say.... give me more !!!

For all newbies, scroll back a few years in the archives and just read the comments about the then Govt in power during the terrorists attacks then. The comments were the same as now, except that the word BJP is replaced by the word 'Congress'

Let's be 'above politics' and don't make this a political forum to extol the any particular party. What we need to understand is that ALL Political Parties and Politicians are INCAPABLE of protecting the citizens of India. As citizens we should understand that 'God helps those, who help themselves' .. it is up to us to kick out these incompetent bunch of nincompoops. Expecting ANYONE from the current bunch of self serving politicians to solve our problems is a pipe dream.
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Well by electing kangress again (Who would have though this would happen), Indian Public has endorsed its "Response to Terrorism" - DO NOTHING.

And i thought People of Kerala and West Bengal needed to check their IQ's for electing the Communists!!!!

What is that saying? Yatha Prajaa Thata Raja. :evil:
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Nesoj wrote:
Whose Govt was it when the parliament was attacked ?
Whose Govt was it when our plane was hijacked ?
Whose Govt was it when Pakistan occupied Kargil ?
Who's was the Minister that personally escorted terrorists in jail to freedom ?
To what extent did POTA control terorism ?
30-40 year of neglect in the Indian policies for security has resulted in attacks on India for the last 20 years. Dont look at only 6 years period. This cannot be taken lightly anymore. This is serious.
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Now that INC has won Delhi elections, Zardari and ISI are safe and can repeat their attacks as long as UPA is in power. No sweat. And NSA can keep his job of ensuring UPA is safe and sound to carry on their purpose whatever it is.
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Acharya wrote:
Nesoj wrote:
Whose Govt was it when the parliament was attacked ?
Whose Govt was it when our plane was hijacked ?
Whose Govt was it when Pakistan occupied Kargil ?
Who's was the Minister that personally escorted terrorists in jail to freedom ?
To what extent did POTA control terorism ?
30-40 year of neglect in the Indian policies for security has resulted in attacks on India for the last 20 years. Dont look at only 6 years period. This cannot be taken lightly anymore. This is serious.
I dont buy that argument. The last 30-40 yrs neglect can go to hell. There were many things that were not the BJP govt's fault or out of their control. But of the stuff they could control, what did they do?

BJP had a clear choice about whether to release terrorists in exchange for the hijacked plane. What did they do?

They had a choice of opening a wider front in response to Kargil. Instead they chose to show 'restraint' and send our young officers up the hills causing huge casualties as they fought bravely from a position of disadvantage.

Not to mention the intelligence failure at Kargil. Or the stupidity of allowing the hijacked plane to take off from an Indian airport where it had landed for re-fuelling and letting it out of the country and out of our control.

Also don't forget that the BDR abducted, brutally tortured and killed over a dozen BSF jawans and sent home their mangled, mutiliated bodies. The BJP govt did idly squat about it.

We are deluding ourselves if we believe that restoring BJP to power will magically take care of security problems.

This reminds me of a well written 3-part article written by Arun Shourie less than a month after the NDA lost the last elections. It was published in the IE i think and dealt with the infiltration from Bangladesh, threat thereof, and bemoaned the govt inaction etc. I finished reading it and was thinking to my self what a good article it was (and it was indeed a very well written and correct viewpoint) when I came across a comment below on the site which said something to the effect of "All that is very well Mr. Shourie but what the hell were you and your govt doing about it over the last 4 years when you were in power? " And that sums it up for me. The BJP are good at making noises about security while in the opposition, but while in power they have mostly disappointed. And the less said about the Congress the better.

Both Congress and BJP have proven to be equally ineffective and whoever comes to power needs a constant kick on their butts from the public to make sure they do their job.
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Bart,
So may be the BJP should be dissolved so the INC wont have to worry about elections and can concentrate on governance like it did before in 1950s? I mean if all the things that can go worn with one term then what to think of in their next term. INC is forced to appease the terrorists (Left, local and foreign Muslims) to prevent the BJP from coming to power after all. Foreign Muslims have a right to terrorise India due to BJP. And it doesnt matter that they are a coaltion govt and not a single party majority. Hell if they are in the govt then they are totally responsible while INC is not even if they are in UPA because they are fighting the BJP and preventing India from sufferng from further definite abuse under BJP rule. So INC does no wrong for they are doing their best to keep the BJP out of power and saving India.
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ramana wrote:Bart,
So may be the BJP should be dissolved so the INC wont have to worry about elections and can concentrate on governance like it did before in 1950s? I mean if all the things that can go worn with one term then what to think of in their next term. INC is forced to appease the terrorists (Left, local and foreign Muslims) to prevent the BJP from coming to power after all. Foreign Muslims have a right to terrorise India due to BJP. And it doesnt matter that they are a coaltion govt and not a single party majority. Hell if they are in the govt then they are totally responsible while INC is not even if they are in UPA because they are fighting the BJP and preventing India from sufferng from further definite abuse under BJP rule. So INC does no wrong for they are doing their best to keep the BJP out of power and saving India.
I didn't say anything of the sort. I was just responding to the sentiment expressed on the thread that the BJP is some kind of magical solution to national security and has a flawless record in that regard. The fact is that the BJPs actual track record on security leaves a lot to be desired, and I mentioned the specific examples as well. Anybody who values national security over political affiliations would be pissed at those lapses, just as they are over the mess created by the current congress govt. Leaving alone rhetoric and posturing, the only significant difference I can think of between BJP and Cong is POTA.

And yes, I would like to see the governments alternate every 4 years, it keeps people on their toes, you can see in Tamil Nadu that has been happening at the state level for several decades and I think TN is the better for it. Better still I would like to see a truly nationalist government at the center for continuous terms, it would have to be something better than the BJP or INC since both parties fall well short. The only thing that can be said in their favor is that they are better than the left.
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Whatever the fallacies of BJP, the clowns managing it have nationalism at its heart.
Imagine the current situation, without Nuke testing. Of course, PVN had a part in it, and how did Congress treat him. :evil:

I said it earlier as well, in-fighting in Rajasthan caused its demise. Hence Advani and Co didn't bother to attend All Party meeting and went with campaigning in Rajasthan.
What is curious is Sheela Dixit's win in Delhi. The only thing I could conjure up was that the Govt employees in Delhi are happy with the raise.

And it comes back to Media management, the two Padmashris did a great job for their master. By the end of siege everyone was blaming Politicians instead of Congress. The foot-in-moot syndrome of politicians didn't help either.

The very interesting part of this election is emergence of BSP with significant % of votes to dent both BJP and Congress.
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bart wrote:I didn't say anything of the sort. I was just responding to the sentiment expressed on the thread that the BJP is some kind of magical solution to national security and has a flawless record in that regard. The fact is that the BJPs actual track record on security leaves a lot to be desired, and I mentioned the specific examples as well. Anybody who values national security over political affiliations would be pissed at those lapses, just as they are over the mess created by the current congress govt. Leaving alone rhetoric and posturing, the only significant difference I can think of between BJP and Cong is POTA.
I think the sentiment is more that it is bewildering that the Congress managed to hold Delhi even after the lapses on the security front. You can already see the media say how terrorism wasn't a issue for people. Ultimately this is what will define the new government's priorities, no?
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bart wrote:
ramana wrote:Bart,
So may be the BJP should be dissolved so the INC wont have to worry about elections and can concentrate on governance like it did before in 1950s? I mean if all the things that can go worn with one term then what to think of in their next term. INC is forced to appease the terrorists (Left, local and foreign Muslims) to prevent the BJP from coming to power after all. Foreign Muslims have a right to terrorise India due to BJP. And it doesnt matter that they are a coaltion govt and not a single party majority. Hell if they are in the govt then they are totally responsible while INC is not even if they are in UPA because they are fighting the BJP and preventing India from sufferng from further definite abuse under BJP rule. So INC does no wrong for they are doing their best to keep the BJP out of power and saving India.
I didn't say anything of the sort.
This is the logic of the leftist and liberals. By your argument you are subscribing to similar logic
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vera_k wrote:
bart wrote:I didn't say anything of the sort. I was just responding to the sentiment expressed on the thread that the BJP is some kind of magical solution to national security and has a flawless record in that regard. The fact is that the BJPs actual track record on security leaves a lot to be desired, and I mentioned the specific examples as well. Anybody who values national security over political affiliations would be pissed at those lapses, just as they are over the mess created by the current congress govt. Leaving alone rhetoric and posturing, the only significant difference I can think of between BJP and Cong is POTA.
I think the sentiment is more that it is bewildering that the Congress managed to hold Delhi even after the lapses on the security front. You can already see the media say how terrorism wasn't a issue for people. Ultimately this is what will define the new government's priorities, no?
also think what happens to people in mumbai least effects people of delhi.

/ducking. request: please don't just include you and me into the thoughts here.. just think about it a holistic sense.. you would see the answers.
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Here is a thought ; All the states that put Congress in power in these elections after this terrorist attacks , shoud be given no sympathy in case of a terror strike there i.e. Mizoram , Delhi , Rajasthan . Piglets.. you have a free ground here . You can practise for your Olympics shooting in these states. See , who gets the max kills .

Anyways, is there a chance that the poor man in these cities was happilyavenging the so called upper middle class/upper class aka the Taj goers by putting Congress back. Who knows they might be feeling Deja Vu ..now Mr Tata ...and mr Yada ...you know how we live and how we feel ... you donot come to our rescue ...we donot come to yours...in Damnocracy ...vote counts...and we got it... yedaa...
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Since the pandu hawaldar cannot be everywhere (as if he counts) saving the citizens from terrorists , the government should provide bullet proof jackets to all citizens . The goody goody thing is the procurement cartel will also have some more dollars in its swiss accounts . These vests could be given through RASHAN shops on rashan card . MMS could save his balls and it will be less expensive than going to war with pukis. :rotfl:
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Just heard on WNYC - NPR a little while ago that Mr. Lakhvi may not have been captured by the Pakistani authorities in Muzzafarabad afterall... and the saga continues...
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I have some basic questions.

Why did we expect that terrorism would be a major issue for a majority of the voters? Do not a majority live in rural areas, while terrorism only afflicts the urban areas? Even in the urban sectors, do voters have enough information with them to clearly decide on which party has a better record on security matters? Has the media been able to provide this clarity to voters or have they played a biased role? I have even more basic questions.

We know that all politics is local and towards this extent security matters would matter to the population, when they identify with national issues as an "extension" of local issues. How well do Indian voters identify themselves with national issues? How often have Indian voters voted on a national issue as one nation or at least as a majority?

Security starts with some very basic things. If a man going in a Mumbai local, who has been pick pocketed, feels he is better off not reporting the crime, as previous experience tells him that all he will get in return is more police harassment, develops a cynical attitude of mistrust towards the entire government apparatus. When governance breaks down for a large portion of the population that need it the most, the only people who go to vote the most are people, to whom it matters least, who is in power.
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Pakis cannot catch their own tail if their life depended on it. Leave alone catching one of their own - a terrorist. All these years they managed to pull a fast one on India, now it is the turn of the US.
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Nesoj wrote:Guys,

Reading a few members posts it appears that the Congress is the cause for all the terror and BJP is the answer.

I beg to differ --

Whose Govt was it when the parliament was attacked ?
Whose Govt was it when our plane was hijacked ?
Whose Govt was it when Pakistan occupied Kargil ?
Who's was the Minister that personally escorted terrorists in jail to freedom ?
To what extent did POTA control terorism ?

I am not extolling the Congress, but frankly I see BJP as weak or weaker that the Congress in controlling the terror. OK, BJP can talk now (as all political parties talk) but their track record proves otherwise.

It's basically choosing between Tweedledum and Tweedledee - both incompetent, self serving parties with load mouths and no actions. Frankly, what do you expect the BJP would have done differently, in case they were in power ?
Correct.

The entire political class has to be gently guided or forcibly pushed towards efficiency, nationalism and lack of corruption. There is very little the BJP has that is better than the Congress. They use the same tactics - but that is because ONLY those faulty tactics work.

Our polity has already split the nation into vote banks and unless you use vote banks you cannot get elected.

If anyone wants the BJP in power, it can NEVER get elected without using the same vote-splitting/vote bank tactics as the Congress. That means that if you are concerned about national security, but find that more votes come from a particular caste who want reservation, you make that your poll plank and claim that "terrorism is a faraway and minor problem affecting some lipstick wearing Mumbaikars. The real issue is caste discrimination over here"

Supporting one party over another is often GIGO although we must do it at least to punish an "erring" party. But that is "anti-incumbency" - not good politics. It indicates the helplessness of teh junta in having to choose alternately between Tweedledum and Tweedledee.

The political system need to be cleaned up at the local level where people understand hat drives the national economy and the importance of national security. These matters are sideleined by politicians who suppress nationalism in favor of localism.
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I am spamming this all over, no apologies. ACT!
OK, folks, please propagate this one far and wide. It hits the right spots.


Please Don’t Use My Tax Dollars To Fund Terrorism
http://www.petitiononline.com/NoPak/petition.html

SIMPLE MESSAGE: STOP FUNDING PAKISTANI TERRORISM: THE LIFE YOU SAVE MAY BE YOUR OWN, OR THAT OF SOMEONE YOU LOVE!
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Dear Mr. Prime Minister

This is not the time to be calm.....


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Sincerely




Dear Member of Parliament

Sir recent terror events sponsored by .... and mindless killing of innocent citizens of your country( fiefdom etc)
begs action and the question IF NOT NOW WHEN?

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sincerely



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who is the MP from South Mumbai ( once upon a time George Kaka used to represent and Rajini Patel....)
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Dear Mr. Prime Minister

This is not the time to be calm.....
This is the time to take action . Just imagine, if these terrorists manage to fire at RAHUL baba or kidnap Priyanka baby to bail out Afazal guru along with Kasai.Just imaging if they hijack a plane from Patna and slam it into 10 Janpath making a martyr of Rajmata . You'll become unemployed sirji . Wake up , tainu wahe guru de sau, not for the nation's sake ,for your sake, attack pakistan .In this era of recession, unemplyment is spreading like Sursa's mouth. Save yourself and prove your loyalty. Even a dog defends its master, darji, you are no worse than a doberman.Prove it . Attack pakistan.

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Dear Memember of Praliament

Sir recent terror events sponsored by Pakistan and mindless killing of innocent citizens of your country
begs action.Earlier these terrorists were killing the conman on the street , now they are running after the elite and the wealthy.Think sirji, think, how much wealth you have , donot forget your swiss account .Its still empty.You have to become a minister and feel it up. Your life is at risk. Donot forget 200 NSG commandos took 60 hours to clean two terrorists .Even Indira Gandhi fell to these terrorists.They can infiltrate anywhere . You donot have even NSG cover.It is provided only to the BIG political figures and to become BIG, first you have to be alive. Kill these terrorists before they kill you.Just imagine a suicide bomber blowing himself up when you are giving your bhashan to the moodh janta.Elections are near and 14 trained terrorists are on loose. Intelligence reports suggest they will try to target politicians . Save your @$$ by attacking pakistan or be ready to die like a cockroach.
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Shock and awe the TSP's Economy


http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1212468

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Dear Mr. Prime Minister

Deh Siva Var Mohe Eha, Shubh Karman te Kabhun na Taru,

Na Daron ar So Jab Jai Laron, Nishchay Kar Apne Jeet karon,

Aaru Sikh Hon Apne he Man ko, eh Lalach Hun Gun Toh Uchron,

Jab Aav ki Avadh Nidhan Baneh, At He Ran me Tab jujh Marun.


Sincerely

An Indian

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Dear Member of Parliament

Dont worry. you will get your cut $$ and your pics will be posted in the front pages with the stories of your bravery. Poor soldiers will be posted on page 3. now hush hush....

sincerely

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Prof R vaidya's article
Twelve steps to shock-and-awe Pakistan’s economy
R Vaidyanathan
Tuesday, December 09, 2008 03:36 IST




Economic destabilisation of the Terror Central is imperative for rooting out terror.

I did not anticipate the huge response my inbox received for the article last week (December 2) slamming Pakistan. Many of those who wrote in have sought concrete steps to tackle the Terror Central. The terror attack on world citizens at Mumbai has created revulsion and outrage all over the world. It is imperative that India seize the opportunity provided to destabilise Pakistan.

A stable Pakistan is not in the interest of world peace, leave alone India. Army controls the country and owns its economy. A significant portion of its GDP is due to army-controlled entities (See Military Inc Inside Pakistan’s Military Economy by Ayesha Siddiqa; OUP; 2007). One can easily say that Pakistan Economy and its Army/ISI are synonymous.

Unless this elementary fact is internalised, we are not going anywhere. This implies we should stop talking of a stable Pakistan since a stable Pakistan means multiple attacks on many more cities of India by that rogue organisation ISI, which is the core of the Pakistan Army and the heart of Pakistan’s economy.

Let us not even assume that Zardari is in control. Poor man - he did not trust his own investigators to probe his wife’s assassination - he wanted Scotland Yard to do the job. Now he blabbers that if his investigators are satisfied, then he will initiate action against terrorists sitting inside Pakistan. Periodically, the Pakistan Army likes to present some useful idiots (as Lenin would have called them) as elected representatives and we swoon over such events.

India should take the following steps to destabilise the economy of Pakistan:
n Identify the major export items of Pakistan (like Basmati rice, carpets etc) and provide zero export tax or even subsidise them for export from India. Hurt Pakistan on the export front.

Identify the major countries providing arms to Pakistan and arm twist them. Tell Brazil and Germany (currently planning to supply massive defense items to Pakistan) that it will impact their ability to invest in India. Tell Germany that retail license to Metro will be off and other existing projects will be in jeopardy.

Incidentally, after the arrival of Coke and Pepsi in China, the human rights violations of China are not talked about much by US government organs. Think it is a coincidence? Unless we use our markets to arm-twist arms exporters to Pakistan, we will not achieve our objectives.

Tell American companies that for every 5% increase in FDI limit for them, their government needs to reduce equipping Pakistan by $5 billion. That is real politics, not whining. Let us remember that funds are in desperate search of emerging markets and not the other way about. Let us also remember that international economics is politics by another name.

Create assets to print/distribute their currency widely inside their country. To some extent, Telgi types can be used to outsource this activity. Or just drop their notes in remote areas.

Pressurise IMF to add additional conditionality to the loans given to them or at least do not vote for their loans.

Create assets within Pakistan to destabilise Karachi Stock market - it is already in shambles.

Cricket and Bollywood are the opium of the Indian middle classes. Both have been adequately manipulated/ controlled by the D-company since the eighties. Chase the D-company money in cricket/ Bollywood and punish by burning D-assets in India instead of trying to have them auctioned by the IT department when nobody comes to bid for it.

n Provide for capital punishment to those who fund terror and help in that. We have the division in the finance ministry to monitor money laundering, etc. It is important that terror financing is taken seriously and fully integrated into money laundering monitoring systems and this division is provided with much larger budget and human resources. And it should coordinate with RAW.

Encourage and allow scientists/ academicians/ elites of Pakistan to opt for Indian passport and widely publicise that fact since it will hurt their self-respect and dignity. There will be a long queue to get Indian passports — many will jump to get our passport — since they will not be stopped at international airports. It is rumoured that Adnan Sami wants one. Do not give passports to all — make it a prized possession. Let it hurt the army and ISI controlled country. This one step will destroy their identity and self-confidence.

Discourage companies from India from investing in Pakistan, particularly IT companies, till Pakistan stops exporting its own IT (international terrorism).

In all these, it is important that we do not bring in the domestic religious issues. The target is the terror central, namely Pakistan, and if there are elements helping them here then they also should be punished-irrespective of religious labels. If Pakistan is dismantled and the idea of Pakistan is gone, many of our domestic issues will also be sorted out.

Will the Indian elite go for the jugular or just light more candles and scream at the formless/ nameless political class before TV cameras? It is going to be a long haul and may be in a decade or so, we can find a solution to our existential crisis of being attacked by barbarians from the West. We need to combine strategy and patience and completely throw to the dustbin the ‘Gujral Doctrine’ by that mumbling Prime Minister about treating younger brothers with equanimity.

The doctrine essentially suggests that if we are slapped on both the cheeks we should feel bad that we do not have a third cheek to show. He, according to security experts, seems to have dismantled our human intelligent assets inside Pakistan, which has resulted in the gory death of thousands of Indian citizens in the last few years. Such is our strategic thinking in this complex world since our political class is not adequately briefed and the elite don’t think through issues. Better to be simple in our talks and vicious in our actions rather than the other way.

Hopefully, this November attack will create a new vibrant India capable of taking care of its own interests.

The writer is professor of finance and control, Indian Institute of Management - Bangalore, and can be reached at [email protected]. Views are personal.
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R Vaidya wrote:Shock and awe the TSP's Economy


http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1212468

Rvaidya

Boss,

Thank you for a really well written article. All points clearly doable and can inflict far more hurt on the Shitistanis than any bombing raid on LeT and other scum.

The war has to be fought on the economic and cultural spheres and the effort should always be to show how India is shinning in contrast to the cesspit across the border.

I just hope that the folks that matter in India read you piece and if nothing else give it a serious consideration.
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