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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 21 Jan 2013 19:24
by CRamS
abhijitm wrote:Shinde has exposed Congress. He has done a massive favor on BJP. It would be interesting to see how BJP use this opportunity. Speak Modi...NOW.
I respectfully disagree. If 2G corruption, 26/11 surrender etc, you name it didn't expose Cong, you think this will. In fact, as the firtspost article that someone posted argues, this could be a clever manuever by Cong to cement its base.
In a way, Cong Vs BJP is like dems Vs reps in US, except that in US, nationalism and sense of "America's manisfest destiny", Christianity etc are firmly entrenched in the body politic, so the disagreement is only on socil ideolofigical issues like gay rights, abortion etc; and hence the voters are pretty much split 50-50 unless one part or the other is accused of same major scandal.
In India on the other hands, the ideological split runs at the core of Indian nationhood. Cong supporters simply don't see corruption, terrorism, anti-Hindu bigotry, TSP appeasement, and dare I say even issues as sacrosanct as Kashmir etc as important red lines that must be intolerable if they are crossed. In fact, India's Hindu dharmic roots and Hindu civilizational is held at contempt by Cong's supporters. The polarization is so extreme, that I cannot think of anything Cong can be accused of doing that will turn away its supporters.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 21 Jan 2013 19:27
by CRamS
SSridhar wrote:
One of their agenda is to shackle India completely so that a moral equivalence is established willy-nilly between India and Pakistan and then the INC can work out a deal with our enemies.
Assuming their gameplan succeeds, what would a "deal" that they fathom with India's enemies look like?
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 21 Jan 2013 19:28
by sum
Two Indians arrested in Pak on spying charges: reports
Lahore: Five persons, including two alleged Indian nationals, have been arrested on charges of spying in the Cantonment area of this eastern Pakistani city, police sources said today.
The sources told PTI that Military Intelligence had arrested the two alleged Indians nationals near the Pakistan Rangers headquarters within Lahore Cantonment a week ago.
“During interrogation, the suspects revealed that three Pakistanis had helped them cross the border. Today, police arrested the three Pakistanis in Hudiara village and took to an undisclosed place for interrogation,” a police source said.
Seems our TSP ops have been kickstarted in higher gear? Dont recollect Indians being arrested deep in TSP from a long time.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 21 Jan 2013 19:30
by SSridhar
Visa on arrival put on hold as TSP demanded too many documents from Indians violating reciprocal arrangements: GoI
The visa on arrival scheme for senior citizens above 65 years at the Wagah border crossing was put on hold as Pakistan was demanding too many documents from Indian applicants, diplomatic sources said on Monday.
The Indian side had put in place simplified procedures for issuing visas on arrival to Pakistani citizens, who were required to produce only a copy of their National Identity Card and a utility bill as proof of residence.
On the other hand, the Pakistani authorities wanted Indian citizens to provide several documents, diplomatic sources told PTI.
Pakistan also insisted that Indian applicants should name a sponsor on the Pakistani side, they said.
With all such arrangements being implemented on a reciprocal basis, Indian authorities decided to put the visa on arrival scheme on hold, the sources said.
"The procedures will be changed and Pakistani citizens will be required to produce the same documents as the Indian citizens," a source said.
The visa on arrival scheme was scheduled to start on January 15 at the Attari integrated check post under a new visa agreement signed by India and Pakistan last September to ease cross-border travel.
Initial reports had contended that the scheme was put on hold because of growing tensions between the neighbours over ceasefire violations along the Line of Control.
Indian officials have not announced any fresh date for operationalizing the visa on arrival scheme.
Indian officials had earlier said the visa on arrival facility would not be available at any other immigration or border point and Pakistani senior citizens would be issued a 45-day, single-entry visa valid for up to five places.
They would also be exempted from police reporting, which is mandatory for most Pakistani travellers.
The visa on arrival facility can be availed only "to visit India to meet friends or relatives" and it cannot be used for business, medical, conference, employment, pilgrimage or any other purpose, an official statement had said.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 21 Jan 2013 19:35
by Sagar G
CRamS wrote:In India on the other hands, the ideological split runs at the core of Indian nationhood. Cong supporters simply don't see corruption, terrorism, anti-Hindu bigotry, TSP appeasement, and dare I say even issues as sacrosanct as Kashmir etc as important red lines that must be intolerable if they are crossed. In fact, India's Hindu dharmic roots and Hindu civilizational is held at contempt by Cong's supporters. The polarization is so extreme, that I cannot think of anything Cong can be accused of doing that will turn away its supporters.
Very true, moron baba also said something which aptly describes Indian society he said "Congress comes back to power because it represents India’s DNA".
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 21 Jan 2013 20:12
by abhijitm
CRamS wrote:
I respectfully disagree. If 2G corruption, 26/11 surrender etc, you name it didn't expose Cong, you think this will. In fact, as the firtspost article that someone posted argues, this could be a clever manuever by Cong to cement its base
I am sorry. I should have been more accurate. Let me rephrase. Shinde has exposed congress once more but he has chosen wrong time. Today nationalist sentiment is relatively high due to the brutal killing of our soldiers. The time is right for BJP to take advantage and spread the message. BJP must keep this burning as long as it can. And that's why all big BJP leaders must jump in. This cannot be left alone to timid Gadkari.
The exact same chain of events occurred after 26/11. Diggi said what Shinde is saying now and BJP just kept shut. That didnt work well with their loyal supporters. I am hoping at least this time they will react appropriately.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 21 Jan 2013 20:18
by sum
In India on the other hands, the ideological split runs at the core of Indian nationhood. Cong supporters simply don't see corruption, terrorism, anti-Hindu bigotry, TSP appeasement, and dare I say even issues as sacrosanct as Kashmir etc as important red lines that must be intolerable if they are crossed. In fact, India's Hindu dharmic roots and Hindu civilizational is held at contempt by Cong's supporters. The polarization is so extreme, that I cannot think of anything Cong can be accused of doing that will turn away its supporters.
^^ +1.
Am not really too hopeful of anything in the near future turning around.. We will only see more depths, it seems.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 21 Jan 2013 20:36
by member_23629
The polarization is so extreme, that I cannot think of anything Cong can be accused of doing that will turn away its supporters.
These "supporters" (basically Hindus with uncultivated minds) will change their mind only when either Muslims trigger a civil war, or Pakistan or China over-runs Delhi. Till then, these "supporters" will keep walking like robots after the Great Leader. These type of unthinking, uncritical Hindus are the bane of India -- they were the core supporters of Gandhi and now the congress party. Aurobindo Ghosh observed them and their blind support of Gandhi, and said sarcastically: "Hindus have lost the ability to think."
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 21 Jan 2013 21:06
by Dipanker
Can we all focus on Paki bashing, the purpose of this thread? Bringing in India's internal issues to this thread dilutes the message of this thread. There are numerous other threads in all sections of BRF where such issues can be discussed.
Let us stick to Paki bashing in this thread.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 21 Jan 2013 21:43
by vishvak
sum wrote:Two Indians arrested in Pak on spying charges: reports
Lahore: Five persons, including two alleged Indian nationals, have been arrested on charges of spying in the Cantonment area of this eastern Pakistani city, police sources said today.
The sources told PTI that Military Intelligence had arrested the two alleged Indians nationals near the Pakistan Rangers headquarters within Lahore Cantonment a week ago.
“During interrogation, the suspects revealed that three Pakistanis had helped them cross the border. Today, police arrested the three Pakistanis in Hudiara village and took to an undisclosed place for interrogation,” a police source said.
Seems our TSP ops have been kickstarted in higher gear? Dont recollect Indians being arrested deep in TSP from a long time.
Sri Lanka recalled ambassador from Saudi after a citizen was beheaded, as part of legal punishment, within Saudi.
link.
However pakis have arrested two Indian nationals after beheading Indian soldiers also after ambushing them within Indian border, while our diplomats go about doing their business as usual.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 21 Jan 2013 21:54
by Vipul
There is something called Self Respect. The Congressi's are anti-india zombies!!!
What is it with Maharashtra's Psychopanthic Cong - I politician's? First Shivraj Patil and now Sushil Kumar Shinde!!!!
Atleast Sharad Pawar does not lick ass and from time to time shows the Gandi parivar their Aukaat by having his way.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 21 Jan 2013 21:56
by saip
Besides terrorism which is Pakistan's main export, it seems to be exporting another dangerous thing. Time whole world united and banned pakis from entering their countries.
Link
Meanwhile life goes on in pissfull Pakistan!
Nation
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 21 Jan 2013 22:19
by RamaY
saip wrote:Besides terrorism which is Pakistan's main export, it seems to be exporting another dangerous thing. Time
whole un-islamic world united and banned pakis from entering their countries.
Link
I demand Pakis export their Pakiness to entire Ummah!
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 21 Jan 2013 23:51
by Prem Kumar
SSridhar wrote:You are correct about your assessment of the mental and intellectual faculties of our dreadful Home Minister. But, this is the agenda of the INC. The script-writer is somebody else. He is parroting the lines given to him. Ms. Maino, Princeling, P.Chidambaram, Digvijaya Singh, Jayanthi Natarajan, Mani Shankar Ayyar, Arrogant Manish Tiwary . . .the brigade is big, vociferous and have media access. One of their agenda is to shackle India completely so that a moral equivalence is established willy-nilly between India and Pakistan and then the INC can work out a deal with our enemies. Their approach is the same as that of the communists, pummel the majority community in a country ruthlessly and in every which way if you want to rule over them. I do not see much difference between the Taliban and the INC in this.
+1
I am now convinced that the ISI and the Congress are in cahoots with each other, through AMonkeyAsha "open back-channels" and other "not-visible-to-public-eye closed door back channels". All under Unkil's supervision. The beheadings were a fly in the ointment. Its now getting back to business as usual.
The brazenness has gotten to a point that the Congress is teaming up with the Pakis to slander the Indian Army and Hindus.
It will be necessary to vote out UPA in 2014. But it wont be sufficient. The cancer is malignant.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 21 Jan 2013 23:53
by Anujan
X-Posting:
Fellows.
Please turn the programming to Al-Bakistan.
Also note that current assemblies in Pakistan are valid only till March. Next election is May-ish. From march to May there is going to be a caretaker government, which is a ripe time for the establishment to hijack the process. So MMS piss pipe not withstanding, unless we sign away siachen in the next 8 weeks, nothing is happening. So relax, take in the tamasha called Pakistan elections. Will a few get bumped off? Will a few get bought off? What about the fellows with the tanks? Please watch the next 4 months. After (if) new assemblies take over, Ashphuck term ends soon after. Their army is like a sewage pipe. Ashphuck's extension has backed up the pakistan pipe. Will it burst when the block is removed? What will come out?
Hence the desperation in the past six months or so.
You also have to understand that how much ever Pakistanis paint themselves as not-Indian, It is India that helps their news cycle and popularity. Zardari was desperate to come over. Rehman malik was desperate to come over. Mushy gave that combative interview and is all over the papers there ("He gave a fitting reply!!"). Somehow PPP wanted piss with India as one of their achievement, Army has torpedoed it. Thats what happened in the border.
As I (and others) have been repeatedly saying, There is a fight going on inside Bakistan. They have to resolve the conflict within themselves, before we jump in and smoke the piss pipe. Else it is all wasted effort. Which we will find after losing much time, money and citizens. Like taking cigarette breaks between important meetings, we try and smoke piss pipe between outbreaks of conflict in Pakistan. And those windows are getting shorter and shorter.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 22 Jan 2013 02:17
by anupmisra
Meanwhile, back at the zoo,
(paki) Senators deplore US bill allowing more drone attacks in al-bakwasisthan.
Why, you ask?
Because the US Congress had passed a bill allowing the CIA to carry out more drone strikes inside Pakistan “at will” which was a violation of the UN laws and sovereignty of Pa'astan
When the Indian home minister admitted that BJP is harbouring terrorists inside India, there was no action taken by the US. However, despite our sacrifices in the war against terror, it has given blanket powers to CIA to conduct drone strikes in Pakistan
He said such an act would further harm the world peace
The senator said that with the US forces withdrawing from Afghanistan, such a heavy logistic operation was going to take place in the region that a truck would be passing through Pakistan after every seven minutes
Therefore, an implied threat to the US. Stop attacks or pay up!
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 22 Jan 2013 02:20
by anupmisra
RamaY wrote:I demand Pakis export their Pakiness to entire Ummah!
In paki-speak: "I demand that the ummah allow imports of pakiness". Put the onus on the other party.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 22 Jan 2013 07:03
by arun
saip wrote:Besides terrorism which is Pakistan's main export, it seems to be exporting another dangerous thing. Time whole world united and banned pakis from entering their countries.
Link
The Polio health risk posed to the children of India by the policy followed by the Congress party led UPA Administration of our Prime Minister of permitting citizens of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to visit India, are abundantly clear.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 22 Jan 2013 07:38
by Philip
Here's Outlook's ed. Vinod Mehta on the Indo-Pak issue.
http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?283604
When Doves Fly Low
Lest anger blinds us, it’s Pakistandom, not Pakistanis, who are our enemy
Vinod Mehta
Television anchors are more sinned against than sinners. And their perverse power is vastly exaggerated. In the past fortnight, we have been led to believe that the nightly war-mongering and the constant cries for revenge, retribution and to-teach-them-a-lesson-they-will-never-forget is the proximate and sole cause for the war clouds hovering over Islamabad and New Delhi. That, if it had not been for these gentlemen (and a few ladies), the nation would have been able to take Pakistan’s alleged barbarism on the chin and move on.
The presenters of television news are not idiots. They have an unerring finger on the pulse of the nation. They are mood detectors. And even if one accepts all that is attributed to them, they mostly tap into the existing public temper. They don’t create it. It is the chicken or the egg riddle—which came first? The war-mongering or the public outrage? I believe the latter.
The outrage did not burst forth because of a single act. It was the cumulative outcome of pent-up fury festering since the Kargil war in 1999 to flight IC 814 to the Parliament attack, to 26/11, to the current beheading. Besides, the alleged over-reaction to the events of January 8 presented the country with another example of the unchanging pattern in the response of our estranged neighbour: first, the categorical denial with the taunting reprimand, “look within your own borders for the culprits”, to eventually a grudging acceptance of the incident, but with a crucial caveat—non-state actors were involved, to Pakistani soil could have been used in the planning of the crime, but we knew nothing about it, to the possible collusion of rogue state actors, but please show us the evidence of the collusion—evidence which will “stand up in a court of law”. Since the crime was conceived, masterminded and financed on Pakistani soil, how can India provide the smoking gun?
When domestic public opinion isn’t just vexed but enflamed, dialogue will require a brief pause. But there is no other option but to move on.
I am the original starry-eyed, much-lampooned candle-lighter of Wagah. I yield to no one in my passion for India-Pakistan friendship. I consider myself to be a card-carrying dove. Over the years, however, my trust in the Pakistani establishment—the army, the bureaucracy, most of the politicians, retired generals, among others, as opposed to the common man on the streets of Lahore and elsewhere—has diminished considerably. They craftily exploit the guilt many peaceniks suffer from—of “Big Brother” having historically mistreated “Little Brother”. Moreover, the establishment lies through its teeth. I’ve had personal experience of this economy with the truth. Though I remain committed to the goal of good relations, I view the Pakistani power structure with mounting suspicion.
I have often pondered over the question: why does the Pakistan officialdom hate India so viscerally? If you put aside the conqueror’s arrogance, what infuriates our neighbour is the fact that India has survived (and, importantly, prospered) as a functioning, secular democracy, while the land of the pure has turned into the land not of all Muslims, but of Sunnis, simultaneously emerging as the “most dangerous place on earth”. The theory of a death through a thousand cuts has been a fiasco. They have failed to drag us down to their level—that is the reason for their angst.
I write these words with immense sadness and regret. At present, I see myself as 50 per cent dove and 50 per cent realist as far as Pakistan is concerned.
How then do we move forward? With great caution, undoubtedly. When domestic public opinion is not just vexed but enflamed thus, dialogue and other overtures will require a brief pause. No democratically elected government can ignore domestic public opinion. The pause must, of course, be short and people-to-people contacts should be halted for a still shorter period. Move on, we must. There is no other option. When dialogue resumes we need to remember that the aam aadmi in Pakistan is our friend—though the establishment is not.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 22 Jan 2013 08:01
by member_23629
The brazenness has gotten to a point that the Congress is teaming up with the Pakis to slander the Indian Army and Hindus.
Well, since Gandhi's arrival in Congress in the 1920s, Congress has always been a B team of the subcontinental Muslims, siding with them against the Hindus. It is the mental blindness of the Hindus that this party is still around in India. It has never claimed to represent Hindu interests but "secularism" (Muslim appeasement). Why do Hindus find this so hard to comprehend? The biggest failing of BJP has been its unwillingness to project Congress as a party hostile to Hindu interests, though Congress has no problem in projecting BJP as being hostile to Muslim interests.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 22 Jan 2013 08:20
by Philip
Shinde's astonishing rantings and applause from Hafiz Syed ,should make us wonder whether the Congress is an Indian party or a fith-column of Pakistan hell bent upon destroying India.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 22 Jan 2013 08:44
by CRamS
PhillipJi,
There seems to be a method in their madness. This Shinde pervert is having a ball. In any other country, both Cong and this guy would not only be the laughing stock, but would be banished from public office in a heart beat. Public would be unforgiving for such an offensive slight, and that too when India is such a viscous victim of TSP sponsored Isalmic terror. TV channels are full of crap about terrorism knowing no religion. Super hyped up BS about one or two incidents where Hindus were involved and boy could Pakis have been given a better gift.
Question though is what will TSP's strategy be to this. Of course, they must laughing their arses off at India. In th short term, it will provide equal equal oxygen. When the dust settles, they can be brazen in using their pigLeTs, and then cite Cong mouthpiece Shinde that terrorists from RSS/BJP training camps could have done this.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 22 Jan 2013 09:18
by Vipul
Pakistani TV Talk shows across most of the channels are having a field day showing multiple times the clip of Asshole Shinde's utterings about hindu camps.
Hamid Mir on his program Capital Talk (21st Jan) had amongst others Burkha Dot and Mahesh Bhatt from the Indian side.It was nauseating to see Mahesh Bhatt go all out to create == and praising the responsible attitude of Pakistani Media and Politicians!!!!!! He was practically ass licking Salman Khurshid.
The Pakistani panel members were saying there has been actually no beheading of any soldier in the latest incident and that even the family member of the soldier has not confirmed the beheading.They also said that the chief of the Indian Northern Command has said there is no case of any beheading.
One of the top members from Badmash party claimed if at all there was any beheading it was not any Pakistani soldier who did that but must have been some non-state actor, that Pakistani soldiers always behave responsibly!!!
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 22 Jan 2013 09:24
by Prem
Can some one make poster of Shinde and his boss with folded hand standing in front of Professor Syed Sahib seeking his blessing and approval ?. It will come handy in election time. Indians deserve to know that the policies of the Governement of India are in full concurence with the goals of JUD and other Pakistani organization known for Sending Kasab and decapiating Dead Indian soldiers.
47 Maaf,65 Maaf,71 Maaf,Kargil Maaf,26.11 Maaf,Mutillation of Indian soldiers Maaf. Abbe terre ko kaun maaf kargaga?
Kehat Kabir sunne re RNISs,Ik din Aisa Ayega
Patience Khatam hove Indians Ki,
Joota Sabak Sikhayegaa!!
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 22 Jan 2013 09:34
by Prem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g04GVze-Y7M&NR=1
Digvijay Singh stirred more controversy today by calling the Mumbai 26/11 mastermind as "Hafiz Saeed Sahab". He said: "As far as Hafiz Saeed Sahab is concerned, it is clear that he is involved of terrorist activities." Last month Shinde faced flak as he referred to Saeed in extremely polite terms in Parliament using honorifics like 'Mr' and 'Shri'. Why do Congress leaders give so much of respect to terrorists?
Shinde =Shri Hafiz Sayyed.
Respected Terrorist !!
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 22 Jan 2013 09:35
by Vipul
one of the interesting thing to be noted is of how all the Pakistani channels and their hosts have a Rolodex of pliant Indian Journalists, Politicians, Pseudo-intellectuals, Analysts and other assorted Self-haters who are rotated in various talk shows and are only too eager to concur with the Pakistani viewpoint of Indian aggressiveness and misconduct and go on overdrive creating needless and outrageous == between India and Pakistan.
Compare that to how Pakistani commentators are obnoxious and how full of esteem they are in protecting Pakistani interest on Indian TV shows.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 22 Jan 2013 09:43
by habal
Congress being India's oldest party (unfortunately, since Gandhi had sought to ban the party post-independence) also has the deepest links to the deep state that controls US, Western Europe. Since they find more benefits maintaining links to that source of revenue & influence, they are non-committal to the Indic cause.
Subcontinental muslims have a particular trait, in which they like to sleep with white women as a mark of accomplishment and having made-it in life. I have heard this from muslims from sucontinent of all hues who have emigrated outside their country, even from Bangladeshis who live in the west, when in a private confessional moment. For them it's a particular victory through physical/emotional conquest philosophy. Jawaharlal Nehru, though carrying a Hindu sounding name, had pretty much the same instincts.
Coming back to issue, the deep state that controls US, western Europe has one basic characteristic. They are willing to cut a deal with anybody who can enrich themselves and their small clique at the cost of the commons. This includes cutting deal with ruling elites of various countries and dictators, tinpots and even adventurers from outside this realm, who border on science fiction. This is the attitude that they have sought to pass on to the nouveau politico in the subcontinent, who are lovingly addressed as 'castratti'. This service-to-self philosophy is now so deeply entrenched within ruling cliques all over the world, that they live in a vaccum totally cut off from the interests of their country unless, they have a leader who is willing to break this umbilical cord severing links that nourish and feed this system. The UPA is leaderless, and visionless entity, and as a result the clique has gone back to it's original dogma. You can change parties, but in any political group without a strong, powerful visionary leader this is what will ultimately ensue.
You can then understand the need & necessity of doing away with emerging strong leader-types through helicopter accidents and truck/bus accidents.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 22 Jan 2013 10:16
by Aditya_V
Habal or the other way round, could it be the deep state has mandated to the INC leadership that India should be kept backward, powerless and weak... Seems to reflect in their actions
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 22 Jan 2013 12:08
by habal
Aditya, whatever they do, they do out of habit. And that habit predates the existing crisis.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 22 Jan 2013 13:34
by SSridhar
Philip wrote:Shinde's astonishing rantings and applause from Hafiz Syed ,should make us wonder whether the Congress is an Indian party or a fith-column of Pakistan hell bent upon destroying India.
That is why I said in my earlier post that this Shinde's muttering is just not some 'off the cuff' remark. It was not only aimed at muting any criticism of foisting another member of the dynasty on India by drowning such criticism in the expected outrage that was most likely to follow, but also, it is a well calculated plan to blunt Indian nationalists who have been criticizing the UPA for its utter cluelessness and extreme dhimmitude verging on a sell-off of India. The current regime is worse than the British in vivisecting Indian communities. There was a time when we were angry with the US for equating the terrorist and his victim but now all that is happening within ourselves. The US has outsourced that to INC leaders. The US and the INC have jointly concluded that appeasing Pakistan is the only way to resolve the India-Pakistan enduring hostility and the Hindus are to be the scapegoats. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind now that a deep conspiracy is under way to 'buy' peace. TSP, one can expect easily, is turning the screws on a desperate USA as they have a window of opportunity here to do so. The US is leaning on India under pressure from Pakistan and the ever-obliging Maino/Man Mohan combination, now joined by the Princeling, is willing to let them rape our country. We should not be surprised if Siachen and Sir Creek are
resolved quickly and Kashmir is even partly gifted away. To hell with the Parliament Resoltion that GoI has to go back to the Parliament for such things. The deep US pockets may even ensure that if that has to happen.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 22 Jan 2013 13:45
by partha
Thanks to Swami and his friends and leaders like Shinde we have lost the "information war" post LoC aggression by Pakis. Once again they get away with their terrorist ways. I feel it is better for India to lie low for now. Pakis being Pakis will provide another opportunity for us to teach them a lesson. But then if they can get away with Mumbai 2008, they can probably get away with anything.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 22 Jan 2013 14:24
by SSridhar
partha wrote:Pakis being Pakis will provide another opportunity for us to teach them a lesson. But then if they can get away with Mumbai 2008, they can probably get away with anything.
Partha, TSP has given us so many opportunities to teach them a lesson. We did not use any of them effectively (yes, including 1971, even though, one must admit that by our own familiar depressing standards we did pretty well then). I am talking politically & diplomatically
In 1965, Pakistan sensed a window of opportunity that it felt may not repeat itself. It concluded, rightly so, that the morale of India and the IA, were probably low after the 1962 event. It was sure that a few well-placed blows from the momin were all that were needed to fell the kafir Hindus. It concluded that the death of Nehru had deprived India of an international leader making it vulnerable to international pressure. It felt that the puny Shastri was incapable of taking bold and brave decisions. It was confident of a US support because the US had leaned on India after 1962 and forced it to start negotiations with Pakistan, an important condition under which Pakistan had allowed US arms supply to India in 1962. It expected China, in a pincer move, to pressurize India militarily and diplomatically because it had conceded 5000 Sq. Kms. of the Shaksgam valley to them. It estimated the Kashmiris to rise in revolt against India and in support of Pakistan once the initial blows were struck by the PA. It expected the US and the UK to intervene quickly and order a ceasefire by which time it would have taken Kashmir and possession was three-fourths of law. It expected the intervention to help her just in case something went horribly wrong too.
Some happened and most others did not. GoI took unexpected decisions catching TSP by surprise.
TSP is again sensing a 'similar window of opportunity' now. So, an opportunity will present itself sooner than later. But, will we be up to it ? The trajectory of the last five years is particularly depressing.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 22 Jan 2013 14:41
by partha
SSji,
Best case -
a) UPA 2.0 ratings go even further south -> Pakis do something -> UPA sees an opportunity -> Strikes back at Pak to get some approval points.
b) Change of guard in Delhi
Worst case -
a) UPA 3.0
b) 3rd front
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 22 Jan 2013 15:02
by VikramS
habal:
That post about the deep-state and the elite is right on.
It is not just India, even the Chinese elite have been fully co-opted.
The way they went about accidenting anyone who posed a challenge to the GND was truly scary.
GND = Gandhi Nehru Dynasty
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 22 Jan 2013 15:08
by SSridhar
VikramS wrote:GND = Gandhi Nehru Dynasty
Poor Gandhi ji. He did not have a dynasty in power. His name has been usurped too by a quirk of fate.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 22 Jan 2013 15:19
by SSridhar
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 22 Jan 2013 16:46
by anupmisra
Winner in downhill skiing.
Paki skiing contingent bags top honours in Korea
Wait! Its not over yet.
Pakistan’s ski contingent comprising Noor Mohammad and Shah Hussain of Naltar Ski School clinched top two positions by winning gold and silver medals respectively in the ‘Dream Programme-2013’ held at Gangwon-do in South Korea
So, what is this Dream "Programme" - 2013?
Dream Program.
According to a Press release issued by the Embassy of the Republic of Korea, the prime objective of the Dream Program is to fulfill the promise with the international sports world to expand the base of sports by inviting young people from countries where winter sports is not available and providing them with systemic training to winter sports.
Its a freebie. All hail the victors!
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 22 Jan 2013 16:49
by anupmisra
Remember that mushy-goswami interview balls-up? Would musharrat have had the cojones to say what he said, if he had known this?
Perpetual warrants for Musharrat’s arrest sought
Secretariat police filed an application in a local court on Monday seeking proclaimed offender status for former president Pervez Musharraf and issuance of perpetual warrants for his arrest in judges’ detention case
Once the former president is declared a proclaimed offender, he continued, the prosecution can file another request to have his property confiscated and have him declared an absconder. In the next stage, they may ask Interpol to issue a “red notice” and arrest him abroad.
Excuse me if I interrupt General.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 22 Jan 2013 17:06
by SSridhar
Musharraf's benefactors from the 3½ will protect him unless they are likely to get enormous benefits by betraying him. The PA would not like one of its own Ex-COASs to be sent to jail.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Posted: 22 Jan 2013 17:08
by SSridhar
anupmisra wrote:Remember that mushy-goswami interview balls-up?
That interview was conducted very badly by AG. He made mistakes that a seasoned journalist like him is not supposed to make.