Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22 2015

[Vipul]

84 year old spreading Pakistaniyat in UKistan.

[Tuvaluan]

Non-prol Ayotollah Michael Krepon is back with his nukular flashpoint fearmongering and his open double-speak supporting paki terrorism against India.

http://krepon.armscontrolwonk.com/archi ... bcontinent

Amusing how he pretends that Pakistan cannot do much to "mend fences" while India can, even after acknowledging that pakis have basically refused to prosecute Lakhvi. American analysts of Crapon's ilk must be the most transparently duplicitous scum on the planet, pretending that everyone else is an idiot who cannot see through their agenda.
exhibit A:

Absent top-down initiatives to mend fences – initiatives that New Delhi appears unwilling to take and that Pakistan’s civilian government is handcuffed from taking – the stage will be set for another nuclear-tinged crisis in the region.

exhibit B: Apparently Krepon did not pay much attention to 33 million Rupee grant to Lashkar-e-Toiba after he became prime minister...surely a fine way to improve relations with India.

Increased firing across the Line of Control dividing Kashmir accompanied the advent of another Pakistani government led by Nawaz Sharif, who makes no secret of his desire to improve relations with India.

Of course, pakis won't prosecute their terrorists but it is Indian PM and DM's fault mostly because they "made statements" pakis don't like. Oiseaules like Stephen Cohen and Michael Krepon are poster boys for lagging behind the curve by a few decades. How has pakistan "turned the tables" on India, you may ask. Don't bother, Krepon won't elaborate because he is too busy gazing at his navel from the inside in an act of recto-cranial inversion.

Lakhvi’s release and Nawaz’s inability to push ahead on trade have reaffirmed New Delhi’s lack of interest in investing time and effort on improved relations. One of its key conditions for forward progress is tangible steps by Pakistan against the groups that target India. Statements by Doval and Parrikar have now allowed Pakistan to turn these tables, reverting to habitual themes about Indian subversion when bilateral relations take a turn for the worse.

and the utter gall of an american to say this tells us where pakistan gets its choothspah from -- its dearest buddies USA, KSA, and China.

Once the sting of Lakhvi’s release subsides, New Delhi will be well-positioned to shift gears. No one’s interests are served by concurrent proxy campaigns in Kashmir and Baluchistan, so new deterrent threats could serve a useful purpose. But what then? It has been seven years since the Mumbai attacks. How much time needs to pass before resuming the composite dialogue?

Forever and a day, oiseaule, That's how long dialogue must be delayed until the pakis change their behavior and bring the culprits of mumbai to book.

[Karan M]

Well said Tuvuluan, worthless fcks like Krepon can go Kr@p themselves.

[Falijee]

Pakistan population growth rate is explosive

For the past few decades, the population growth rate is decreasing in both developed and undeveloped countries. But when we analyze Pakistan in this regard, the situation is entirely different as rest of the world. According to preliminary results of the 2011 Pakistani census, population growth is higher than had been projected.

Comment: When will the Pakistan Government undertake an official census to lay to rest these unsubstantiated rumors of explosive population growth

[Peregrine]

Pakistan wrestlers denied visa by India: Report

KARACHI: The Indian High Commission has refused visas to a contingent of wrestlers and officials from Pakistan who wanted to participate in the Cadet Asian Wrestling Championship, starting June 11 in New Delhi, according to a media report.

Cheers

[Peregrine]

Pakistan population growth rate is explosive

For the past few decades, the population growth rate is decreasing in both developed and undeveloped countries. But when we analyze Pakistan in this regard, the situation is entirely different as rest of the world. According to preliminary results of the 2011 Pakistani census, population growth is higher than had been projected.

Comment: When will the Pakistan Government undertake an official census to lay to rest these unsubstantiated rumors of explosive population growth

Falijee Ji :

In 2011, Pakistan’s population figure was 197.4 million as compare to 134.7 million of census held in 1998. That mean there is increase of 62.7 million in twelve years. Pakistan’s population is increasing beyond the estimated population. Population has been increased by 20 million that is much more than had been forecasted in UN documents.

Now Cwapistan's Population must be over 225 Million. One is reminded of the Late A. Cawasji's Bhookhanangastan!
Cheers

[Prem]

Pakistan population growth rate is explosive
Now Cwapistan's Population must be over 225 Million. One is reminded of the Late A. Cawasji's Bhookhanangastan!

225x10%plus=247-250 Million as estimated by one wise Indian here. It also indicate Poakroach growth rate is 3.35-3.5% . Pakiland will be crawling with half a billion inbred Poakroaches by 2035 with combined IQ of 00.6. We will need 5 Shilka,5HMG and 10 MMG every KM to stop these Bhookha Nanga Paki crossing border in search of food.

[Falijee]

Al-Zawahiri visited Islamabad after Lal Masjid operation'

KARACHI: Dr Ayman Al-Zawahiri along with a Punjabi Al-Qaeda activist visited the site of Islamabad’s Laal Masjid (Red Mosque) on the orders of Osama Bin Laden after the military operation in 2007, claimed senior journalist Azaz Syed in his newly published book “The Secrets of Pakistan’s War on Al-Qaeda”.

Comment: The Red Mosque is located near ISI HQ; so, how is it possible that this happened without the knowledge of the Deep State

Osama Bin Laden was Lashkar-e-Taiba’s financier in the early days and gave $200,000 to the group for setting up its headquarters in Muridke, wrote Azaz Syed in his book.

Comment : With the blessings of the Deep State and / or CM of Punjab

[Rahul M]

Once the sting of Lakhvi’s release subsides, New Delhi will be well-positioned to shift gears. No one’s interests are served by concurrent proxy campaigns in Kashmir and Baluchistan, so new deterrent threats could serve a useful purpose. But what then? It has been seven years since the Mumbai attacks. How much time needs to pass before resuming the composite dialogue?

Forever and a day, oiseaule, That's how long dialogue must be delayed until the pakis change their behavior and bring the culprits of mumbai to book.

I sure did miss the string of articles from this guy 2008 onwards advocating 8 yrs was enough to forget 911 and USG ought to enter into a composite diaogue with al qaida.

[arun]

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s Prime Minister whines to UN Secretary General Ban Ki Moon about bad old India :

UNSC should ensure early implementation of its commitment on Jammu and Kashmir: PM

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan it seems continues to remain blind to the fact that UN resolution requires them to act first. C. Christine Fair on the matter:

Equally important, most contemporary Pakistani commentators have either forgotten (or simply choose to ignore) that Pakistan—not India—failed to fulfill the first, necessary (if insufficient) condition for the now much desired plebiscite, making Pakistan unable to blame India alone for its failure to meet subsequent obligations.

That first, necessary (if insufficient) condition per C. Christine Fair is:

First, Pakistan was to “secure the withdrawal from the State of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and Pakistani nationals not normally resident therein who have entered the State for the purpose of fighting” (UNSC 1948). In addition, Pakistan was to “to prevent any intrusion into the State of such elements and any furnishing of material aid to those fighting in the State”

Going by the “Readout” of the meeting put out by the UN, the Islamic Republic was given nothing more than a bland placebo :

Readout of the Secretary-General's meeting with H.E. Muhammad Nawaz Sharif, Prime Minister of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan

Dushanbe, Tajikistan , 9 June 2015

The Secretary-General met today with H.E. Muhammad Nawaz Sharif, Prime Minister of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, on the margins of the High-Level International Conference on the implementation of the International Decade, “Water for Life.”

On the issue of countering terrorism, the Secretary-General stressed the importance of addressing root causes.

The Secretary-General and the Prime Minister also discussed relations among countries in the region, including Afghanistan and Central Asian countries.

The Secretary-General emphasized the need for improved relations between Pakistan and India.

He also asked for Pakistan's support in adopting and achieving the Sustainable Development Goals.

Clicky

[pankajs]

UN officials have clearly told the Bakis that Shimla Accord and time has made the UN resolution on J&K non implementable.

The Bakis establishment know that only too well. The constant whine is just for the effect with the Baki masses and to pass the buck on to the UN. The Baki whine on the UN resolution should be understood to be for internal consumption wonlee and we should learn to ignore it as is the practice worldwide.

[disha]

So Dehati Aurat Nawaaz Sharif ran to kafir Ban ki Moon complaining about India.

Interestingly CFair made this comment on twitter that how come India claims POK? And that plebiscite is the next step. She is actually very uninformed. Twitterati responded with UN Resolutions including removing foreign population from POK. Since that is a condition that cannot be ever met, plebiscite is never going to happen.

India is well within its rights to claim POK as integral part of Kashmir and hence India and adversely occupied by Bakistan., until all conditions are met and a political solution is reached - which is going to be far fetched.

Coming to C'Fair - after she was educated by twitterati, her eyes opened up and we see the above article.

All in all, the realization has dawned on Umrika - particularly after 2014 elections and the excellent results of the state dept. in conducting wars in Ukraine and Syria and Libya ... and the elections within J&K, that Kashmir is indeed an integral part of India - all the clintoon wailings and caterwauling including the Hurrirats not withstanding.

From now onwards., the term Dehati Aurat should reference Nawaaz Sharif, particularly in all p

[SSridhar]

Interestingly CFair made this comment on twitter that how come India claims POK? And that plebiscite is the next step. She is actually very uninformed. Twitterati responded with UN Resolutions including removing foreign population from POK. Since that is a condition that cannot be ever met, plebiscite is never going to happen.

India is well within its rights to claim POK as integral part of Kashmir and hence India and adversely occupied by Bakistan., until all conditions are met and a political solution is reached - which is going to be far fetched.

Coming to C'Fair - after she was educated by twitterati, her eyes opened up and we see the above article.

disha, I am surprised that Ms C.Fair is unaware of the conditions for plebiscite.

In her recent book, "Fighting to the End", she writes thus (p. 140): " . . .Resolution 47 which also laid out three sequential steps essential for implementing a fair and impartial plebiscite . . .First, Pakistan was "to secure the withdrawal from the State of jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and Pakistani nationals not normally resident therein who have entered the state for the purpose of fighting. In addition, Pakistan was to prevent any intrusion into the State of such elements and any furnishing of material aid to those fighting in the State . ."

She goes on to write, "Equally important, most contemporary Pakistani commentators have either forgotten (or simply chose to ignore) that Pakistan - not India - failed to fulfill the first, necessary (if insufficient) condition for the now much desired plebiscite . . ."

Another thing that we Indians must be aware of is that it is not only the withdrawal of persons not belonging to the State, but also Pakistan completely ceasing its support and aid for intrusion et al. Pakistan cannot meet both these conditions. We normally tend to miss the second one also.

[abhishek_sharma]

ANI ‏@ANI_news 3m3 minutes ago
Pakistan media reports that India has expelled a Pak diplomat.

[kmkraoind]

Two suicide bombers blow themselves up when getting into a fight with one another after putting on their explosive vests

- Two would-be suicide bombers die in an explosion while they were fighting
- Detonated near Khayam Chowk in Sargodha, Pakistan's Punjab province
- Police suggested divine intervention may have saved city from a big loss

Will they get 72 or become part of 72.

[vijaykarthik]

Nice read: http://warontherocks.com/2015/06/why-do ... nglepage=1

Refreshing

Why Does Pakistan Accuse Indian Spies of Terrorism?

Michael Kugelman

June 9, 2015 · in Commentary

Several weeks ago, the Pakistani armed forces accused India’s intelligence agency, the Research and Analysis Wing, or RAW, of fomenting terrorism.

A statement issued by the military’s media wing after a Corps Commanders conference on May 5 minced no words. “The Conference…took serious notice of RAW’s involvement in whipping up terrorism in Pakistan.”

RAW Emotion

Accusing Indian spies of subversive and nefarious activities in Pakistan is an age-old practice. Such charges afford Pakistani officials a means of shielding themselves from blame for their country’s ills. They also convey a reassuring Muslims-cannot-be-responsible-for violence message that plays well among the general population. Yet, these accusations go well beyond terrorism. Pakistanis have constantly conjured up conspiracies that deposit blame for all manner of misfortune — from floods to fraud scandals — on India’s doorstep.

Accusations often obliquely refer to a foreign hand. However, it is relatively unusual for the Pakistani military to make such serious allegations about Indian support for terrorism in Pakistan so publicly, and in such a direct manner. Additionally, the accusation comes amid a flurry of Pakistani allegations against RAW. On April 30, a senior police officer thought to be close to the military held an extraordinary news conference. The officer, Rao Anwar, accused RAW of colluding with members of the MQM, the dominant political party in the Pakistani megacity of Karachi. “RAW has been training MQM workers for carrying out terrorist activities in Karachi,” Anwar announced.

More recently, the home minister of Baluchistan province implicated RAW in a deadly May 29 bus attack in the town of Mastung. “RAW is involved in the incident because India is against the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor,” declared Sarfaraz Bugti, referring to Beijing’s plan to undertake infrastructure projects in western Pakistan as it builds a new trade corridor linking China to the Middle East.

The frequency and directness of these latest allegations are striking, but this should not obscure a fundamental reality: Pakistan’s motivations for leveling these latest accusations are ultimately rooted in factors that go back many months and years.

Rallying Around The Anti-RAW Flag

Consider, for example, one possible explanation for the recent allegations against RAW: the Pakistani military’s wish to deflect attention from negative publicity. Some of this bad publicity was generated in recent weeks by the insinuations of some Pakistanis that the country’s intelligence agency was behind the April 24 killing of Sabeen Mahmud, a human rights activist revered by the country’s elite.

In fact, however, while recent public opinion polls show that the military remains deeply popular, it has actually suffered blows to its image for a number of years. One was the discovery that Osama Bin Laden lived in Pakistan, and near a major military academy. Another was a startlingly blunt Pakistani government report about Bin Laden that was leaked to Al Jazeera in 2013. The report called the military leadership incompetent and irresponsible for failing to prevent the U.S. raid on Bin Laden’s compound, and described this failure as Pakistan’s greatest humiliation since losing a war to India in 1971. Other blows to the military’s reputation include multiple militant attacks on its facilities (including one on its headquarters in Rawalpindi in 2009), and widely circulated video clips of extrajudicial killings. Meanwhile, for a number of years, anti-state Pakistani militants have routinely spouted propaganda accusing the military of apostasy.

Little surprise, then, that the military would now resort to the India bogey, and particularly in a direct and public way. It’s a sure-fire way to generate rally-around-the-military sentiment in a country where even the most liberal commentators ascribe malign motives to India.

An Emboldened and Empowered Military

Another possible reason why the Pakistani military is so boldly accusing RAW of terror is pure bravado: it wants to showcase its strength, and demonstrate that it is fully in control.

To understand just how in control the military is these days, consider the recent bellicose words of Pakistan’s civilian leaders. Defense Minister Khawaja Asif declared that RAW was formed “to wipe Pakistan off the map of the world.” Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan insisted that India wants to destabilize Pakistan and “use any means” to keep it “backward and underdeveloped.” Prime Minister Sharif — who sought improved ties with New Delhi after his election victory in May 2013 and invited his Indian counterpart, Manmohan Singh, to his swearing-in ceremony — warned India that Pakistan will “take all necessary measures to control any anti-Pakistan acts.” The government has seemingly morphed into a mouthpiece for the military and its confrontational-to-the-core India policy.

And yet this latest manifestation of Pakistan’s long-standing civil-military imbalance was actually set in motion nearly a year ago. Last summer, an anti-government protest movement weakened the civilian government and stifled Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s attempts to assert more civilian control over national security and foreign affairs. Consequently, Pakistan’s military was catapulted back into the driver’s seat of India policy.

In effect, despite those aforementioned hits to its image, the military is flying high today, thanks to the aftermath of last summer’s anti-government movement. Not only is it firmly in control of foreign affairs, but it has once again become a key player in efforts to launch peace talks between Kabul and the Afghan Taliban, thanks to a modest (albeit perhaps short-lived) thaw in relations with Kabul and to the decision of Islamabad’s close ally in Beijing to take a leading role in pursuing reconciliation. Additionally, in April, the U.S. State Department approved a $950 million arms sale to Pakistan. This latest case of American largesse comes even though there is no indication whatsoever that the Pakistani security establishment has cracked down on so-called “good militants” — jihadist groups such as the Haqqani Network and Lashkar-e-Taiba that do not target the Pakistani state, but do target Americans. Given all this, it makes perfect sense that the military, emboldened and empowered, would make such a public and dramatic accusation against India.

Just Stating the Facts?

Of course, the Pakistani military — and many if not most Pakistanis — would offer a simpler reason why it is leveling allegations about RAW-sponsored terrorism: The allegations represent the truth, and the truth must be known.

Islamabad points to recent statements made by Indian Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar, who said last month that “terrorists have to be neutralized only through terrorists,” as proof of India’s sponsorship of terrorism in Pakistan. Many Pakistanis also point to inflammatory statements made back in 2014 by Ajit Doval, when the current Indian national security adviser hinted at potential Indian support for anti-state elements in Pakistan. If there is another Mumbai-style attack in India, Doval warned, India “should immediately move to help the secessionists in Baluchistan.”

Parrikar’s vague comments — which sound more like bluster than statements of fact — do not exactly constitute a smoking gun. And Doval’s statements, while provocative, were purely hypothetical. Pakistan may have slightly more success winning over skeptics by highlighting reports in the Indian media. These include a 2013 Hindustan Times story alleging that after the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks, India established a Technical Support Division. This was a special unit operating within RAW and charged with carrying out covert operations in Pakistan. “Our main task was to combat the rising trend of state-sponsored terrorism” by Pakistan’s main intelligence agency, the ISI, according to an unnamed former Technical Support Division officer quoted in the article. This unit, however, is no longer active.

Pakistan’s terror accusations against RAW tend to revolve around the contention that India aids, through violence, the separatist insurgency in Baluchistan (Pakistanis will not soon forget that India supported the secession of East Pakistan, now Bangladesh, in 1971). Back in 2009, according to Pakistani journalist Hamid Mir, Pakistan’s foreign secretary told his Indian counterpart that Pakistan could produce “at least three Indian Ajmal Kasabs” involved in terrorism in Baluchistan, and could “easily establish” that India’s consulate in Kandahar, Afghanistan, was “a control room of terrorist activities” managed by violent Baluch separatists. Ajmal Kasab was a Lashkar-e-Taiba militant who participated in the 2008 Mumbai attacks.

Given the enmity between the two countries, and given the legacy of ISI-sponsored hijinks in India, one should not altogether dismiss the possibility of some type of Indian connection to Baluchistan’s insurgency. Still, there is no clear evidence that RAW is currently fomenting terror in Baluchistan or anywhere else in the country. However, Pakistan, undeterred, repeatedly vows to present proof — including, according to Pakistani press reports, to U.S. officials during the visit of Pakistan’s foreign secretary to Washington last week.

Making Accusations to Strengthen Legitimacy

At the end of the day, so far as Pakistan’s military is concerned, it doesn’t matter if its accusations are true or not. What matters is that they are articulated, and that the Pakistani public hears them — because the allegations are ultimately intended to strengthen the military’s legitimacy. This is arguably the chief reason why the army has so publicly and directly hit out at RAW.

After all, by accusing India of carrying out terrorism in Pakistan, Pakistan’s military buttresses its oft-stated contention that India remains a prime, even existential, threat to Pakistan. It is not a difficult argument to make to the Pakistani public, given the facts: India is seven times more populous and four times larger, and with a military twice as big. Additionally, now is a useful time for Pakistan to ramp up its peddling of the India-as-threat narrative, given the presence of a Hindu nationalist government in New Delhi that has been critical of Muslims.

In essence, the Pakistani military invokes the threat of India, and the specter of RAW-sponsored terrorism in Pakistan, to underscore the armed forces’ self-proclaimed role as the nation’s sole protector. In so doing, the armed forces seek to provide more justification for their outsize role in the Pakistani state.

Michael Kugelman is the senior associate for South Asia at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars in Washington, DC. He can be reached at [email protected] and on Twitter @michaelkugelman.

[Karan M]

I sure did miss the string of articles from this guy 2008 onwards advocating 8 yrs was enough to forget 911 and USG ought to enter into a composite diaogue with al qaida.

One guy has said that: Like forever, oiseaule. When you janus faced morons start talking to Al Qaeda (after all its been a dozen years since 9/11), then come back and preach.

http://krepon.armscontrolwonk.com/archi ... bcontinent

[harbans]

Whats with this Zaid Hamid RIP, Jannat kaisa hai? quips all over twitter last few days. Anyone with a clue how this spread or is there some truth to it?

[SSridhar]

Nice read: Why Does Pakistan Accuse Indian Spies of Terrorism? Michael Kugelman
Refreshing

Yes, it is, though the same author has taken sometimes anti-India stance especially in the Indus water disputes.
Anyway, I need to point out some glaring issues in this article.

Accusing Indian spies of subversive and nefarious activities in Pakistan is an age-old practice. Such charges afford Pakistani officials a means of shielding themselves from blame for their country’s ills. They also convey a reassuring Muslims-cannot-be-responsible-for violence message that plays well among the general population.

That's true. Nothing wrong with those two reasons. But, there are three more also which are to create a permanent hatred among its citizens for the wily, kuffar, Hindu India, second is to create a bad image about India among the international community. Thirdly, the Pakistani Army has always demonized India as dar-ul-harb (domain of war), which gives a raison d’etre for their survival. Since Islam ordains the conquest of dar-ul-harb by Muslims and convert it into dar-ul-Islam through jihad, such depictions enabled Pakistan to lay, and then sustain, the foundations for an ‘enduring hostility’ through these Islamic symbolisms.

In fact, however, while recent public opinion polls show that the military remains deeply popular, it has actually suffered blows to its image for a number of years. One was the discovery that Osama Bin Laden lived in Pakistan, and near a major military academy.

It was not for that reason, that is protecting an international jihadi terrorist in a Pakistani Army Cantonment, that the Pakistanis were displeased with the Army. It was the inability to protect that asset that riled the Pakistani masses.

The government has seemingly morphed into a mouthpiece for the military and its confrontational-to-the-core India policy.

Not 'seemingly' and not 'now. It always was.

[SSridhar]

'Modi's remarks in Bangladesh aimed at fanning hatred against Pakistan': Sartaj Aziz - ToI
Two things:

• They were statements of facts. If it appears as hatred, then so be it.
• What about the systematic hatred against India that Pakistan has been pushing since 1947? Your own school textbooks are living examples, you don't have to go far to find proof.

[A_Gupta]

Michael Krepon:

"Arun,
I would, indeed, place a high priority on trying to improve ties with Pakistan.The countries to India’s east can’t wreck India’s future. Pakistan can. I understand the structural difficulties and the pathologies involved in the relationship. But in my view, you are moving into very dangerous waters, and nobody’s steering toward safe passage."

Comments? IMO, the only way Pakistan can wreck India's future is by attacking India with nukes. Mumbai 26/11 or NYC 9/11 scale attacks cannot wreck India's future; nor can 1965- or 1971- type wars.

[chaanakya]

Another thing that we Indians must be aware of is that it is not only the withdrawal of persons not belonging to the State, but also Pakistan completely ceasing its support and aid for intrusion et al. Pakistan cannot meet both these conditions. We normally tend to miss the second one also.

We have not forgotten these conditionality. 60 years of congi rule have led to suppressing these conditions in the interest of keeping peace dialogue going notwithstanding three wars that both fought and Pakistan was hived off by India. There was no need for Shimla Accord. Rather India should have asked Pakis to fully withdraw and fulfil conditions before anything could be done for areas captured by IA to be returned to pakis.

[deejay]

Michael Krepon:

"Arun,
I would, indeed, place a high priority on trying to improve ties with Pakistan.The countries to India’s east can’t wreck India’s future. Pakistan can. I understand the structural difficulties and the pathologies involved in the relationship. But in my view, you are moving into very dangerous waters, and nobody’s steering toward safe passage."

Comments? IMO, the only way Pakistan can wreck India's future is by attacking India with nukes. Mumbai 26/11 or NYC 9/11 scale attacks cannot wreck India's future; nor can 1965- or 1971- type wars.

Good work there Sir. And I saw some other Rakshaks posting there too.

[SSridhar]

Comments? IMO, the only way Pakistan can wreck India's future is by attacking India with nukes. Mumbai 26/11 or NYC 9/11 scale attacks cannot wreck India's future; nor can 1965- or 1971- type wars.

Ask him to explain how Pakistan can wreck India and what India would be doing during the time allowing Pakistan to do so.

[CRamS]

My comment to CrapON's crap

Mr. Krepon, thanks for your sermon. And may I advise you and your condescending ilk, that instead of preaching to Indians about grinning and bearing your ally Pakistan’s terror, how about US linking its massive military/economic aid to Pakistan cracking down on all terror groups including those targeting India like the LeT, and not just the mighty “Al Queda”? And US policy must be visible, i.e., that it is completely and unequivocally on the side of India, just as US is on the side of UK/Israel etc, on the issue of terror sponsored by the Pak army and ISI. This policy of US, instead of useless sermons advising India to be a “good boy” will go a long way. Is US prepared to do that? Finally, and I am getting greedy now, how about US spending a fraction of the energy it does in rolling back Pak’s nukes, as it does in rolling back Iran’s? What crime has Iran committed that Pak has not?

[CRamS]

SSridharJi, bears no repetition but CrapON knows the game US is playing with TSP against India, so he is essentially issuing a threat.

[Falijee]

Indian Action in Myanmar rattles Pakistan ; Mr. Bean, A.K.A . Pak Interior Minister Issues Threats to India

ISLAMABAD: Federal Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan said India should not mistake Pakistan for Myanmar, adding“our armed forces are fully capable of responding to any foreign aggression and Indian leaders should stop daydreaming”.

Comment : Threat # 1

Modi's statement soured the atmosphere of Indo-Pak dialogue: Khawaja Asif

Asif said the government would defend the nation and that if India spoke about teaching Pakistan a lesson, then Pakistan was capable of teaching India a lesson as well.

Comment : Threat # 2

India will not succeed in sowing seeds of hatred for Pakistan: Sartaj Aziz

Aziz said it was ironic that Modi chose to present a case for a permanent seat in the UN Security Council in Bangladesh, adding that India would not qualify for the seat because of recent admissions of interference in East Pakistan and for violation of UN resolutions regarding the issue of Jammu and Kashmir.

Comment : Threat # 3

Note Just Issued Threat # 4 by COAS A.K.A. Raheel 'Bad' Sharif' , not included in above !

[Prem]

Paki GAs Production in Full gear. No country have ever been subdued with Terrorism. Dude Ham Is Fool.

[KLNMurthy]

Michael Krepon:

"Arun,
I would, indeed, place a high priority on trying to improve ties with Pakistan.The countries to India’s east can’t wreck India’s future. Pakistan can. I understand the structural difficulties and the pathologies involved in the relationship. But in my view, you are moving into very dangerous waters, and nobody’s steering toward safe passage."

Comments? IMO, the only way Pakistan can wreck India's future is by attacking India with nukes. Mumbai 26/11 or NYC 9/11 scale attacks cannot wreck India's future; nor can 1965- or 1971- type wars.

Thanks for eliciting and posting Krepon's comments.

Krepon's claim of "dangerous waters " and his idea of "safe passage " are based on his (and the US's) predictions of India's and Pakistan's behavior, which in turn comes from their understanding of the two countries.

To evaluate Krepon's caution, we have to first evaluate the quality of his understanding. To evaluate his value as an advice-giver to Indians, we have to make a comparative evaluation of his understanding and predictive skills against those of Indians.

So, who knows pakis better? Krepon or us?

To my thinking, there is, as of now, no such thing as a "safe passage " that will protect India against paki nuclear threat, none that doesn't involve India voluntarily wrecking itself by allowing pakistan and its primitive culture to subjugate and exploit the Indian people. From what I can see, all GOIs, UPA as well as NDA, have operated in the zone of living with the threat, hoping for a solution to emerge from changing circumstances. That is the best course at present.

Krepon's job is to stampede us off that course. I believe he is not a well-meaning one, though that doesn't matter all that much, as long as we don't allow ourselves to be stampeded.

Both India and Pakistan are in uncharted waters vis a vis nukes. Krepon acts like he has the chart. That is BS. Question is, when there is more information revealed for adding to to the chart, who can do it better, Krepon or us?

[Falijee]

Pakistan 'Execution Factory' Working Overtime

Islamabad, Pakistan - Pakistan has executed a man who rights groups say was tortured into confessing to a murder when he was still a minor, prison officials and his lawyers have confirmed.

Ghulam Mustafa, a co-accused who also maintains his innocence and who rights groups say recanted his testimony against Bahadur, was not hanged as scheduled on Wednesday, after reportedly reaching a financial settlement settlement with the victim's family.

Comment: Sharia Justice AKA Blood Money in Action

Bahadur, who was a Christian, said that he and fellow non-Muslim inmates at Kot Lakhpat Jail faced threats from other prisoners based on their faith.

Comment: No reason to look any further; real reason for execution is right here- Pakistan's two -tier justice system

[Peregrine]

1. India Expels Pakistani Diplomat Muhammad Idrees



2. India expels Pakistani diplomat

NEW DELHI- Indian government today reportedly expelled Pakistani diplomat for having links with militants inside India.

According to Indian media reports, the government expelled Pakistani diplomat Muhammad Idrees for his unethical activities in India.

Sources said that Indian authorities turned down visa request of Idrees, terming him persona non grata.

For the past days, Modi government seems ambitiously devoted to bring down Pakistan at every level.
The neighboring authorities often press links of Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) with banned outfits.

The authorities said that Idrees had links with militants and was therefore refused provision of visa.
Cheers

[Prem]

India’s agenda of occupying Pakistan will not materialize: Nisar
Indians Temporarily Occupy Pakistan Daily as part of Morning Rituals

Islamabad: Nose Wiping Minister Chaudhary Nisar today said that armed forces of Pakistan, could give befitting reply to any Indian act of aggression. India should not mistake Pakistan for Myanmar.Responding to a statement issued by Indian Minister Rajyavardhan Rathore, Interior Minister Chaudhary Nisar said that Pakistan wants peace in the region, yet its friendly overtures should not be confused as sign of weakness.Chaudhary Nisar said that India should not mistake Pakistan for Mynamar as its armed force possesses capability, to give befitting reply to any Indian act of aggression. Lambasting the norm of repeated aggressive statements from the other side of the border, Chaudhary Nisar said, Indian leadership should stop day dreaming and face the reality.Interior Minister said that the Indian agenda of occupying Pakistan would not be allowed to materialize.Those who are plotting nefariously against Pakistan should come back to reality.

[Prem]

Disclaimer: BRF or i have nothing to do with Chari's opinion
Warning is waste of Time,When dealing with Paki Swine
No Grave Digging, Deep Dark Pit,Its Their Pyre We Find Fit to Lit.

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[A_Gupta]

More Krepon:
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The United States wants to pivot to Asia, but the Middle East keeps getting in the way. Likewise, India wants to pivot to China, but Pakistan keeps getting in the way. Pakistan matters to India for two primary, interconnected reasons: its home-grown terrorists and its nuclear-weapon programs. The pathway to crisis and war on the Subcontinent begin with the actions of violent extremist groups based in Pakistan. As long as this pathway remains open, deterrence stability does not improve with nuclear modernization programs. Instead, stability is dependent on Indian restraint after severe provocation.

[MurthyB]

Disclaimer: BRF or i have nothing to do with Chari's opinion
Warning is waste of Time,When dealing with Paki Swine
No Grave Digging, Deep Dark Pit,Its Their Pyre We Find Fit to Lit.

http://www.timesnow.tv/IndiaHitsBack-My ... 477119.cms

Bhy these Bakis are bhinning that they will never accept Yindias Hajjmoney?

[ramana]

More Krepon:
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The United States wants to pivot to Asia, but the Middle East keeps getting in the way. Likewise, India wants to pivot to China, but Pakistan keeps getting in the way. Pakistan matters to India for two primary, interconnected reasons: its home-grown terrorists and its nuclear-weapon programs. The pathway to crisis and war on the Subcontinent begin with the actions of violent extremist groups based in Pakistan. As long as this pathway remains open, deterrence stability does not improve with nuclear modernization programs. Instead, stability is dependent on Indian restraint after severe provocation.

India's home grown terrorists(Ind Muj) were nurtured by Congress in order to ban the Opposition eventually. After NaMo got elected we haven't heard of one IM strike. So the genie is back in the bottle till Congress comes back.


So one of the two reasons touted by Krepon is invalid.
As for other India's NFU means India wont initiate nuke weapon use.
And if Pak uses then it ceases to exist. Even a dove like MMS clearly stated via his NSA that massive retaliation was the response.
So both Krepon's reasons don't stand.

[panduranghari]

Duplicate

[panduranghari]

SSridharJi, bears no repetition but CrapON knows the game US is playing with TSP against India, so he is essentially issuing a threat.

My new found time pass is to listen to panel discussion conducted by Umricans on India -US relationship. They keep missing the huge elephant in the room of paki sponsorship. And some how the audience which is sitting in and later ask questions, never ever- not even once- ask why does US do and equal-equal between India and pak?

[vijaykarthik]

^ they recently took that equal-equal to staggering proportions and gave a joint NP prize to Masala Chai and Satyarthi. And no use blaming the US alone - they might be the instigators, no doub,t but every country that wields power does it.

[SSridhar]

SSridharJi, bears no repetition but CrapON knows the game US is playing with TSP against India, so he is essentially issuing a threat.

I know. That's why I want him to be more explicit.