Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Sept 05, 2015

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Gus wrote:Do they not have scooters is crapland? Why the paki keeps calling scooter/Scooty as motorbike
I can think of one of two reasons.

one, there may be a fatwa against the word "scooter" why? only Allah knows.
two, "scooter" may be a bad word in pakistan. e.g. someone who just raped a goat then ran away = scooter.
(USAGE: abba to their son: "abey scooter ki aulaad, bollywood ke gana vana band karo, namaaz ka time ho gaya hai")

We should respect their culture and allow them any word they choose within the above constraints because a 2-wheeler is a 2-wheeler after all.
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Is there really such a thing as SAARC visa that allows the holder to travel unhindered across SAARC countries?
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Dipanker wrote:Smearing a little ink is not violence, it is just a bit of out of season holi. This guy is sellout A-hole and speaks Paki language.
I disagree completely. The act was an assault on a person for his ideas (even if despised) by someone other than the state. That is the problem. The monopoly on violence must remain with the state of India. Any other violence must come under rule of law. I hope they catch and prosecute these people who did this. This is not good for the country or for our civilisation. It must not be allowed to continue.
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nandakumar wrote:SSridhar
Can you explain in detail how this is done?
. . .
What is FCIN?
It is FICN, Fake Indian Currency Notes. My post is self-explanatory. Essentially, either fake Indian currency is deposited into accounts from which money transfer is made to Pakistan or genuine Indian currency (as a result of exchanging FICNs for genuine ICNs) is deposited into accounts from which transfers are made later.
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svenkat, what have you posted here ?
No caption, url, byline . . .nothing?
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An article worth reading in the context of FICN

The Lifeblood of Terror - Sanchita Bhattacharya, Research Associate, Institute for Conflict Management published in South Asia Intelligence Review (SAIR), Oct 12, 2015
On September 24, 2015, a fake lottery scam, with suspected hawala (illegal money transactions) linkages, was unearthed in West Bengal. The Central Board of Direct Taxes (CBDT), based on inputs from the Intelligence Bureau (IB), exposed the racket and seized INR 200 million in raids. As many as nine locations in Kolkata and one in Siliguri of Darjeeling District were raided. According to reports available, of these, as many as 20 sacks of notes were seized from two locations in Kolkata and one in Siliguri. An unnamed senior intelligence official disclosed, "It is a lottery-hawala-money laundering racket. Money seized was being transferred by hawala on Thursday [September 24] to Dubai. We are looking at further nodes there".

Reports on September 27, 2015, indicated that IB alerted the Union Ministry of Home Affairs (UMHA) about numerous bank accounts, involved in either hawala or fake lottery schemes running across India, possibly being operated by Dawood Ibrahim. With inputs from the Research and Analysis Wing (R&AW), IB submitted a detailed report over the scam to the UMHA, informing the Centre that a majority of the bank accounts were in Government banks, with the State Bank of India topping the list. 30 per cent of such suspicious bank accounts were operational in Bihar, followed by 18 per cent in West Bengal, 13.5 per cent in Uttar Pradesh and 11 per cent in Madhya Pradesh. More importantly, the cases investigated by the Enforcement Directorate (ED) found that the estimated size of the scam thus far was INR 41.93 billion. The report further noted that while 1,175 Pakistani phone numbers were under surveillance, 305 Indian phone numbers were known to be in constant touch with these Pakistani contacts.

Money laundering channels, fake lottery scams, the circulation of Fake Indian Currency Notes (FICNs), narco-trafficking, etc., have been integral to the funding of Islamist terrorism in India. Pakistani sponsored modules have long sought to destabilise the India through these instrumentalities. These modules receive funding and instructions from Pakistani intelligence agencies, most prominently the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), and also use launch pads in UAE and Bangladesh.

Hawala channels have been the dominant medium of transferring funds to Kashmiri separatist organisations. According to a September 13, 2015, report, the National Investigation Agency (NIA) identified JKART (Jammu and Kashmir Affectees Relief Trust), with its head office in Rawalpindi (Pakistan) and branch offices in Islamabad and Muzaffarabad (Pakistan occupied Kashmir), sends money into India through the hawala route as well as banking channels, and these funds are distributed through conduits not only in Jammu and Kashmir (J&K) but also in Delhi and other parts of the country.

On August 22, 2015, ED had issued fresh summons to Kashmiri separatist leader Shabir Shah, Chairman of the Democratic Freedom Party of Jammu and Kashmir, for questioning in connection with a decade-old case of terror financing through the hawala channel. This is the third attempt by the agency to serve summons on Shah in a case where Delhi Police's Special Cell arrested Mohammed Aslam Wani on August 26, 2005, along with INR 6.3 million, which he had received through hawala channels from the Middle East, and a large amount of ammunition. During questioning, Wani had claimed before Police that, out of the INR 6.3 million, INR five million was to be delivered to Shah and INR one million to Abu Baqar, the Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) 'area commander' in Srinagar, while the rest of the money was to be his (Wani's) commission. Wani, an alleged hawala dealer, had also claimed that he had passed on INR 22.5 million to Shah and his kin in several installments over the preceding year. According to sources, Shah had asked Wani to channel hawala money to him from Delhi, for which he was to be paid three per cent as commission.

Similarly, in July 2015, ED filed a charge sheet against Firdous Ahmad Shah, a member of Syed Ali Geelani's All Parties Hurriyat Conference, and Yar Mohammed Khan, for allegedly receiving money from Europe for use in terror financing. ED had alleged that the fund was received from Italy through Western Union Money Transfer and this money was used for unlawful activities relating to the financing of terror.

Meanwhile, Bangladesh has become a market for dumping FICNs. Two big seizures of FICNs within Bangladesh in the month of September 2015, including INR 27.1 million from a consignment arriving at the Chittagong Port from Dubai on September 20 and INR 12.8 million from a Bangladeshi flying into Dhaka from Dubai on September 22, have deepened India's suspicion that Pakistani agents are producing FICNs in bulk at facilities in the Gulf, and shipping the fake currency into South Asian ports and airports, for entry into India.

According to Indian intelligence sources, the total amount of FICNs recovered from Bangladesh since January 2014 is over INR 230 million. Most FICN hauls were from flights arriving into Bangladesh, either directly from Pakistan or from Dubai, Colombo (Sri Lanka), Doha and Turkey. Indeed, October 1, 2015, reports indicate that UMHA had warned the West Bengal and Assam State Governments to maintain strict vigil across the border.

FICNs circulation remains a major challenge in India. The Rajya Sabha (Upper House of Indian Parliament) was informed on August 4, 2015, by Union Minister of State for Finance Jayant Sinha, that more than 1.55 million notes were recovered in 2012, 2013 and 2014, with a face value of about INR 775 million. The porous Indo-Bangla border has made the Malda District in West Bengal the epicenter for FICN smuggling. According to a Malda District Police report, FICNs with a face value of INR 14.3 million were seized in 2013; rising to INR 15 million in 2014; and INR 19.7 million in the current year (till July, 2015). The source of most of these notes is Pakistan, and the quality is so good that it can hardly be distinguished from original notes.

FICN rackets have taken the magnitude of a cottage industry at places like Mohabbatpur, Chorianantapur and Sasani in Malda District; Gopalnagar and Khoribona in Murshidabad District; Misutola and Dangipara in Uttar Dinajpur District (all in West Bengal), which are easily accessible to Bangladesh's Chapai Nababgunj District, notorious for being a fake currency hub, as well as Nepal. Malda Superintendent of Police (SP) Prasun Banerjee, according to a September 14, 2015, report, observed, "Also, people here work as labourers in Rajasthan, Punjab, Delhi and Assam and they carry the notes with them there." NIA had stated that 80 per cent FICNs are sneaked into the country through the 172 kilometer porous border along Malda. According to NIA, Malda has become the locus of a range of criminal activities with links to the Pakistan's ISI-backed network of terrorism.

West Bengal is not alone among Indian states affected by FICNs circulation. According to the National Crime Records Bureau (NCRB), of the 30,354,604 FICNs seized across the country in 2014, 8,747,820 were recovered from Gujarat. Chhattisgarh followed close at heel with the seizure of 7,386,900 fake notes, while Andhra Pradesh, Punjab and Haryana saw recoveries of 5,437,600, 3,249,000 and 1,696,850 counterfeit notes, respectively. Apart from the road and railway routes, the air route via Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand and the UAE, as also China and Holland, have been used for smuggling in fake notes.

According to an April 10, 2015, report, from 2006 onwards INR 148.5 million have been recovered by the Police and NIA in 15 states (names not available). Of these, NIA seized INR 36.6 million in terror funds in 11 cases investigated by it since its inception in December 2008. As many as 101 persons are accused in these cases. Jammu and Kashmir Police ranks second only to NIA in seizures. The State has seized INR 29.3 million in 80 terror financing cases since 2006, in which 190 persons are accused. Manipur, despite its small size, reported terror fund seizures worth INR 21.1 million in 26 cases, followed by Delhi which seized INR 19.2 million in 21 cases. Madhya Pradesh accounted INR 16.4 million, and Odisha Police around INR 11.2 million in seizures of terrorist funds. Karnataka, Gujarat and Kerala registered 14, three and one terror financing cases, respectively, under the Unlawful Activities [Prevention] Act (UAPA), but have not reported any seizure since 2006.

On September 9, 2015, Union Home Minister (UHM) Rajnath Singh noted that India faces a serious challenge because of drug trafficking due to its proximity to major opium-growing areas of the region, adding: "Involvement of various terrorist groups and syndicates in drug trafficking leads to threat to the national security and sovereignty of states by the way of narco-terrorism." Significantly, a dossier on Dawood Ibrahim, reportedly prepared by National Security Advisor Ajit Doval, discloses that Dawood's cash comes from the drug trade, fake currency, realty and money laundering. Agencies feel once they have control over Dawood's offshore assets, "it'll break the security cordon around him..."

June 26, 2015, report stated that 110,032 tonnes of illegal narcotic substances were seized between 2011 and 2014. Moreover, as many as 64,737 drug-trafficking cases were reported during same time-frame. The Narcotics Control Bureau (NCB) data for January 2015 reveals that the four major international airports of India in Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai and Kolkata account for 94 per cent of the instances of drug smuggling and seizures.

To fight this menace of terror finance, India has taken several measures in the past. Most recently, in September 2015 the Union Government approved the introduction of seven new security features in currency notes to detect FICN. Though the measures are not yet disclosed by the agencies, they are expected to be functional in 2016. Moreover, in the same month, a team was formed, on the directions of the Department of Revenue under the Ministry of Finance, to conduct a ‘national risk assessment’ on the threat posed to the financial sector by money-laundering and terror financing.

Pakistan remains relentless in its effort to destabilise India through terrorism, creating resources for its proxy war through the circulation of FICN, drugs and a range of criminal enterprises, even as monies are directly provided to terrorist networks through hawala and the banking system. Various ‘peace building’ measures that New Delhi has supported, including the easier movement of populations across the Line of Control and International Border in J&K, improved trade relations and greater ‘people to people’ contacts, have only facilitated some of these processes, and have encouraged Pakistan to believe that it can continue with its malfeasance without prohibitive, or even significant, costs. After decades of Pakistan backed terrorism and subversion, India is yet to formulate a coherent strategy of response. Fire-fighting initiatives, seeking to contain or suppress the visible manifestations of Pakistan’s proxy war can only provide limited relief, but fail consistently to address the source.
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JE Menon wrote:
Dipanker wrote:Smearing a little ink is not violence, it is just a bit of out of season holi. This guy is sellout A-hole and speaks Paki language.
I disagree completely. The act was an assault on a person for his ideas (even if despised) by someone other than the state. That is the problem. The monopoly on violence must remain with the state of India. Any other violence must come under rule of law. I hope they catch and prosecute these people who did this. This is not good for the country or for our civilisation. It must not be allowed to continue.
Not a question for BRFites to debate but on streets of Mumbai people have not forgotten what Kasab and his gov sponsored terrorists have done. And that same paki gov's rep is being pappi-zappied in Mumbai then Mumbaikars know how to deal with those and their hosts. Heck a driver who banged up a cow or a dog will get street justice. Smearing ink is too mild a reaction.

Note: not advocating violence, just analyzing public sentiment viz a viz this incident.
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Public sentiment seems not very much in disfavour.

My parents both with me as I type and watching the TV on the matter, and not big fans of shiv sena, both supported the blacking of Kulkarni's face... But that is quite another thing. Sometimes, we feel the thorough pasting that someone gets on the street for eve-teasing or attempted robbery is right, but that does not make the assaulters right or legal. They have no right to apply violence on others. Only the state does. We need to be very very clear on that.
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SSridhar wrote:
nandakumar wrote:SSridhar
Can you explain in detail how this is done?
. . .
What is FCIN?
It is FICN, Fake Indian Currency Notes. My post is self-explanatory. Essentially, either fake Indian currency is deposited into accounts from which money transfer is made to Pakistan or genuine Indian currency (as a result of exchanging FICNs for genuine ICNs) is deposited into accounts from which transfers are made later.
Thank you. Let me read up on any other material that may be available. The case involving Bank of Baroda's select branches in Delhi seems rather curious. Granted that FEMA is far more liberal than its predecessor FERA. But even so, remittances abroad have to go through lot many hoops even today. Looks like RBI too has been caught napping.
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JE Menon wrote:Public sentiment seems not very much in disfavour.

My parents both with me as I type and watching the TV on the matter, and not big fans of shiv sena, both supported the blacking of Kulkarni's face... But that is quite another thing. Sometimes, we feel the thorough pasting that someone gets on the street for eve-teasing or attempted robbery is right, but that does not make the assaulters right or legal. They have no right to apply violence on others. Only the state does. We need to be very very clear on that.
It was a Staged Attack, with Shiv Sena fully collaborating with Sudheendra Kulkarni to provide publicity both for Kasuri's book and for themselves for their put-on public anti-Pak stance.

Kulkarni can cry "Oh fundamentalist Hindus" and sell books and Shiv Sena can cry "Pakistan Out" and garner some votes and make BJP look bad.

Here is the Tweet with details of this so-called ink attack. As one can see, a completely friendly match.

Shiv Sena should be ashamed, not for the ink attack on Kulkarni, but on their collaboration with Paki supporters in India.
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Yes, the whole thing does seem rather calm, and the blacking of the face seemed rather even to me... but the video is not clear enough unfortunately. If this is true though, and I certainly hope it is, Sudheendhra Kulkarni has scored a major own goal. Shiv Sena will ride it out.
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All this vigilantism shows is two things - one, the complete lack of faith in law enforcement and GOI when people think they can take the law into their own hands and get away with it/or are forced to do so because the state is apathetic. Either ways, a mess.
Kasuri should have been refused a trip to India, plain and simple.
But in some ways, NaMo and MAD are following the script from PVNR sir. Talk, talk, hit, hit.
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what I am writing below may well be an OT. If considered so, please remove it.
This is TSP thread, hence my analysis is precisely from that angle. Smearing of ink is good and bad together.

good: because it vents out the resentment against TSP and wkks.
bad: because it short sited jingo outburst we were talking about few page back. Will not get any anything except more damage, in a sense will blunt or nullify its effect completely. which is exactly what happen.

If we want to be on the top of the situation then we have to select the option carefully for maximize the damage.
Just imagine if a crowed in white cloth with read paint spread on on them like blood, enact the scene on Mumbai massacre near the venue along with the victims and demand an apology from the pak guest.. how effective will that be. And by way siv sena could bring 1000+ as crowd.... Imagine the visual black tar road, white cloth blood(ink) spread a sea of people lying on road... a good photo on perfect angle and spreed like wild fire on fb....

sadly we lost that now.. but we can still do that for others paks (there is no lack of them).. Catch them where they cant escape.
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SSridhar wrote:An article worth reading in the context of FICN

The Lifeblood of Terror - Sanchita Bhattacharya, Research Associate, Institute for Conflict Management published in South Asia Intelligence Review (SAIR), Oct 12, 2015
Pakistan remains relentless in its effort to destabilise India through terrorism, creating resources for its proxy war through the circulation of FICN, drugs and a range of criminal enterprises, even as monies are directly provided to terrorist networks through hawala and the banking system. Various ‘peace building’ measures that New Delhi has supported, including the easier movement of populations across the Line of Control and International Border in J&K, improved trade relations and greater ‘people to people’ contacts, have only facilitated some of these processes, and have encouraged Pakistan to believe that it can continue with its malfeasance without prohibitive, or even significant, costs. After decades of Pakistan backed terrorism and subversion, India is yet to formulate a coherent strategy of response. Fire-fighting initiatives, seeking to contain or suppress the visible manifestations of Pakistan’s proxy war can only provide limited relief, but fail consistently to address the source.
- Easier movement of people across LoC,IB
- Encourage people to people contacts.

Isnt this what TrackII has been advocating?

The FICN issue is not new. Im sure such intelligence reports would have reached MMS too.
Yet he didnt utter a word about this and encouraged TrackII cabal ( which encouraged more people to people contact ) . So TrackII members, without having a grasp of the security implications of their activity, went ahead and unknowingly abetted FICN criminal activity .

I think Pakis must be congratulated no? Identify the kandle-kissers , give them prominence, a voice , a media platform, a professional website ( it was hosted on some Paki Univ website IIRC) conclaves, meetings what not and extract as much as possible from a lot who are essentially retards from the media and unaware of the implications of their actions. PLus it flatters the vanity of those who participate. Think of Suhasini Haider here - the condescendinf advice she dishes out through TheHindu.


I say , crush the TrackII nutters. I would like to see one these fellows caught in some intelligence trap for some criminal activity. I hope they find something ( although I do also think Pakis are too careful to not involve them in anything funny - they are useful idiots for Paki's media propagandu)

But it must be crushed. Somethign has to be done to these fellows to tell them to cease and desist forever.
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The release of the book by Kasuri in India, the grand organization for such an event and the lies that Kasuri spoke on the stage at Delhi (when he claimed, for example, in a question by Nidhi Razdan of NDTV that if one looks at the timeline of responses, one can find easily that Pakistan only responded and never initiated anything - I changed channels after he made this statement without batting an eyelid and the demure Razdan seemed to accept it with a shy and embarrassed smile) show that Pakistani elites (who always represent the 'Deep State') enjoy deep connections within India and no government in power can stop their activities. If only the INC had been in power, the noise on this thread would have been deafening.

That article by Shekhar Gupta was revealing (may not be for the BRf jingos) of Pakistani tactics. Way back in the 80s when he was an upcoming journalist, he was taken for a lavish dinner at the Kasuri household. The cultivation of 'useful contacts' starts very early. We know how the Americans in the 50s and 60s (when Nehru banned serving liquour in state dinners and Morarji Desai banning meat in the 70s) found the hospitality in Pakistan so wonderful.
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Paki Journo Gloats Over Kaptaan's Defeat
Should the PTI continue to grieve over ‘stolen’ seats?
“One cannot lose if he does not accept defeat ... and in PTI’s dictionary, defeat does not exist.” :roll:
Imran Khan said to his supporters in Lahore on October 4th, while other PTI leaders standing behind him softly chuckled.
Typical Paki mentality exemplified by this "Oxford educated" politico, who is "hungry" for power at any cost !
In George Orwell’s Animal Farm, a satirical allegory on Russian totalitarianism, lead character Napoleon plays to the base needs of his followers who chant, “Napoleon is always right.” They are told to envision a utopia, where there would be no corruption and equality amongst the classes. But goals promised are never truly defined nor real solutions offered.
It becomes a dangerous thing when citizens fail to ask tough questions, developing a cult of personality following to their leader. Ultimately, left unchecked, Napoleon becomes a tyrant worse than the original leaders of Animal Farm.
Playing upon religious and historical references of purana Pakistan’s founders Quaid-e-Azam and spiritual head Allama Iqbal, Khan urges for a more “Islamic” and idealistic state; a state that prides itself in the stern implementation of justice.
For all his sophistication and so-called liberalism, at the core he remains an Islamist, out and out
The stern justice he wishes to unleash is preoccupied with seizing the power of the rulers. Like the revolutionaries in Animal Farm what the advocates of a Naya Pakistan may not have realised is that in Celebrity Khan’s idyllic new world, “naya” soon means old and “justice” ultimately means to usurp the country’s democracy.
Khan’s politics of agitation, allegations of rigging, and long marches are nothing new for Pakistan.
Not to forget his personal rivalry with NS and his "clever brother"
mran Khan often says he has everything, but the one thing he has never had is power. That is the one of the greatest lusts of man which he is now seeking. At the rally on October 4th he even alluded to the “patience” with which he has been waiting for it. Such lust can corrupt the very best of us.
Yet, remarkably, mesmerising Khan has managed to continue the rhetoric that massive rigging took place. Is it that hard to fathom that the then bedridden Imran Khan did not win the elections of 2013? Even if he were certain of his loss, would he not accept defeat anyway?

If the PTI is to be a formidable force for much needed change in the country, it’s up to its promising wide-eyed followers to take lead of their party, hold its own leadership accountable, and not buy into rhetoric when it ceases to make sense.

In the meantime, we can at least thank the PTI for pressurising the ruling PML-N party into action.
Kaptaan's only hope, now is to somehow enlist the help of the Deep State in next election or to somehow create an artificial crisis to dethrone the Sharif duo from power.
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Altaf Bhai Sentenced To 81 Years In Prison In Anti- Terrorism Court In Gilgit Of All Places ! :mrgreen:
GILGIT: An Anti-Terrorism Court (ATC) on Monday sentenced Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) chief Altaf Hussain to 81 years in prison, while issuing its verdict on a treason and incitement to violence case filed against the MQM supremo.
Fifteen cases were registered against the MQM chief in various police stations of Gilgit-Baltistan on charges of treason, incitement to violence and speeches against the state and armed forces.
So obviously making it "very difficult" for his legal team to come to this "remote corner" of Pakistan Occupied Kashmir to defend him :twisted:
Earlier on September 1, the same court had declared Altaf Hussain absconder for not appearing despite being summoned through a legal notice.
The court had warned that if Altaf Hussain failed to appear in the court on the next hearing of the case, the court would issue verdict against him.

Knowing fully well that he is not going to take a plane from Londonistan to defend himself in this kangaroo court :mrgreen:
Later on October 9, MQM leader Farooq Sattar, while signing Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with Finance Minister Ishaq Dar had expressed hope that the ban on MQM’s welfare and political activities and speeches of Altaf Hussain would be addressed by the government as per law. :roll:
Farooq bhai should be well advised to sign MOU with Raheel instead :mrgreen:
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JE Menon wrote:
Dipanker wrote:Smearing a little ink is not violence, it is just a bit of out of season holi. This guy is sellout A-hole and speaks Paki language.
I disagree completely. The act was an assault on a person for his ideas (even if despised) by someone other than the state. That is the problem. The monopoly on violence must remain with the state of India. Any other violence must come under rule of law. I hope they catch and prosecute these people who did this. This is not good for the country or for our civilisation. It must not be allowed to continue.
agreed 100%,

that's not to say I didnt enjoy the ass0 looking ridiculous, though ;-)
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JEM " The monopoly on violence must remain with the state of India. Any other violence must come under rule of law".

That is the very definition of a modern state. And such stupidity/criminal mischief has no place anywhere.

In fact, this whole 'Gherao' stuff has no place. Whether in India or France:

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34505548

The huge irony in the SK case is of course, that the loudest condemnations have come from the likes of Brinda Karat whose party's hooligans have done far worse.
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Why was Kasuri given visa? It makes no sense absolutely to have him come and peddle his lies in Mumbai a city that has seen the worst crimes against her by Pakistani establishment. Gulam Ali least is a civilian whose fault is that he comes from Pakistan. Kasuri on other hand is an establishment man who directly or indirectly is connected to loss of Indian lives. Giving him red carpet is not welcome. No Pakistani Military men and hand picked ministers/ officials should be allowed to enter India except on official duty. If they do then they should be tried for war crimes.
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Haz-rat Blames RAA For His Arrest In Saudia :rotfl:
REVEALED: India’s RAW framed Zaid Hamid as Iranian spy in Saudi Arabia
LAHORE (Staff Report) – Finally, Pakistan’s renowned defence analyst Syed Zaid Zaman Hamid has shared the details of his over three-month detention by Saudi authorities.

“Saudi government arrested me because they were told by agents of Indian spy agency RAW that I am an Iranian spy,” Mr Hamid wrote on his official Facebook account on Monday morning.

The allegation was serious and Saudis had to do their own investigations to know the truth, he added.

My picture with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmedinejad and my two official visits to Iran were given to Saudis as evidence that I am an Iranian agent.
Just asking ! Is it possible that Badmaash, who is now related to the Saudi Royals, and who has an axe to grind with the Jahil , might have fingered the Haz-raat - to the authorities ; after all, it is a matter of Enchendee and /or family honour. :mrgreen:
“Also, my TV program on DIN News in which I had strongly opposed sending Pakistani troops to Yemen were exploited as evidence that I work for Iranian govt. This was the trap set for me.”
By this logic Kaptaan, Raheel and the entire top echelon of the Paki Govt, should be persona-non-grata in the Land Of The Two Holy Cities :mrgreen:
When Mr Hamid reached Saudi Arabia, the RAW agents were already present there to set the trap. They informed the Saudis and then the Saudis launched a massive investigation to know his credentials and within weeks knew that all the allegations were false.
Seems that he has not lost his bombastic outbursts in spite of the lashings received :lol:
“The demands by Indian government that I should be handed over to India also alarmed the Saudis that something is wrong here. If I was an Iranian agent, why India was so interested that I should be handed over to India,” Mr Hamid says.
His wife played a key role in negotiating with the Saudis and giving them evidence that Mr Hamid is a patriot Pakistani and not the Iranian agent.
Wonder what was the quid pro quo demanded of Mrs Haz-rat by the Saudis :mrgreen:
“Our resistance to sending Pak troops to Yemen was based on our love for Pakistan and Ummah and not because we served Iranian interests,” Mr Hamid writes.
According to Mr Hamid, the statements by Pakistani ministers of PML-N government against him created more confusion in the minds of Saudis that delayed his release. “I was not helped by PML-N government at all.[/quote]
So the earlier rumours that the "Badmaash Govt" did not "lift a finger" to ease his burden have now been proved true :mrgreen:
“But once Saudis were satisfied that I was not an Iranian spy, I was released with dignity and respect. Ramazan, Eid holidays and then Hajj vacations delayed the release but finally after Hajj we were sent back with dignity on exit stamp, not deported.”
So Eid was spend in a Saudia jail as a RAA agent ? :mrgreen:
Earlier, Pakistani officials claimed that Pakistani security agencies and foreign office officials played key in his release. “Pakistan’s strong stance pushed Saudi authorities to change their mind about convicting him for the charges of hate speech,” the official sources said last month.
The million Dollar question now is will the Haz-rat still be embraced by the "Deep State" and still serve as their reliable "mouthpiece" :mrgreen:
He also clarified the controversies surrounding his wife, Ms Tayyaba, who was confused with Khanum Tayyaba Bokhari, a Shia scholar who appears on TV programmes. “This is again a deliberate lie being spread to prove that we are Iranian agents. My wife stayed in Medina throughout even when her visa was expired and the Saudi govt did not deport her either.”
So the rumours surrounding his Mrs that she belonged to the "other sect " has been proven unfounded - straight from the horse's Haz-raat's mouth :mrgreen:
Zaid Hamid has also vowed soon to expose the “snakes, traitors and enemies” Qin this sinister conspiracy.
No Paki TV channel is now going to "touch him with a ten foot pole ", so the questions remains as to how is he going to "expose himself" :mrgreen:
Zaid Hamid is often dubbed as close to Pakistani military establishment, who is time and again seen holding foreign intelligence agencies including Indian RAW, Israeli Mosad and American CIA responsible for worsening law and order situation in Pakistan.
According to him the militant group, Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), is actually a proxy of anti-Pakistan countries. He also leads a local organisation that is struggling for the restoration Islamic caliphate inside Pakistan.
Similar views have been expressed by his Kuwait deported "baby faced buddy", another mouthpiece of the Deep State in a less bombastic manner; maybe, the Haz-raat will take "early retirement" after this "embarrassing holiday" in a Saudi jail :mrgreen:
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So, Zaid Hamid is saying that Saudi state dances to RAWs tunes?
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Brad Goodman wrote:Why was Kasuri given visa? It makes no sense absolutely to have him come and peddle his lies in Mumbai a city that has seen the worst crimes against her by Pakistani establishment. Gulam Ali least is a civilian whose fault is that he comes from Pakistan. Kasuri on other hand is an establishment man who directly or indirectly is connected to loss of Indian lives. Giving him red carpet is not welcome. No Pakistani Military men and hand picked ministers/ officials should be allowed to enter India except on official duty. If they do then they should be tried for war crimes.
the message he came to give was

1) the Indian leaders have compromised on cashmere so the Indian public should have no hesitation in giving it away.

2) don't strike the terrorists because if you do the paki army will respond immediately.

the Indian traitor rats aided and abetted kasuri in his endeavor. sudheendra is a commie and not a BJP walla he pretends to be.
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Pakistan's battle against Balochistan separatists sparks anger and suspicion - BBC
Earlier this month, a journalist colleague reporting on Balochistan was taken to a safe house in Quetta's military garrison where he was lectured on the virtues of being a patriotic citizen. Army officers questioned him extensively about his sources and his political views. The officials told him they knew about his family, where his kids went to school and how much money he had in his bank.

And then he was informed: "Yes, we are killing the anti-state elements. And we will continue to go after them. At the end of the day, we decide who's a patriot and who's not." :roll:
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Can anyone take India seriously? Here is the former chief terror representative in India; his country has extracted Indian blood now it extracts rupaiya for the privelege of reading about the terror machinery of Pakistan. Instead of legal cases, Indians indulge in ridiculous muh kala karna theatrics. Ya Allah.
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India building contacts with ISIS, al-Qaeda in Afghanistan
ISLAMABAD: The Indian government is now working on building contacts with rogue groups in Afghanistan, including al-Qaeda and ISIS, reports from Afghanistan have revealed.
Earlier, the Indian intelligence had developed close relations with the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan and used it to mATTP still continue, unarguably with the blessings of certain senior operatives of the Afghan intelligence, the Indians are now focusing on ISIS and al-Qaeda operatives to use them against Pakistan.
In late 2014, Indian National Security Adviser Ajit Doval had visited Syria and Iraq oTn the pretext of assisting Indian External Affairs Ministry (EAM) in evacuation of stranded Indians. However, it was reported that the secret visit was used to create contacts with the leaderships of extremist groups. Meanwhile, the Indian consulate in Kandahar 400 Indian consulates in Kandahar was utilised by the RAW for creating coordination between the TTP and ISIS elements. :roll:
Analysts say evidence is growing that while making common cause with terror groups present on the Afghan territory, the Indians are seeking to mount a new state-sponsored campaign of terror attacks in Pakistan. It is known that Narendra Modi in a speech in Bangladesh had confessed that the Indian establishment had created the Mukti Bahini in East Bengal to dismember Pakistan. The game continues with New Delhi exploiting sub-nationalists in Balochistan and Sindh.

And the games continues in Pakiland with the recent crackdown on MQM, the media blackout of Altaf bhai, the suppression of news about IDPs from FATA military bombardment, the censorship of TV news and the glorification/personality cult pertaining to the Bad Sharif :mrgreen:
Meanwhile, the highly successful Operation Zarb-e-Azb :roll: has greatly dented the TTP and its likes in Pakistan, eliminating scores of them and forcing others to flee to the western neighboring country.

This farticle reminds me of the "filler news" category prevalent in the Army Ruled Days, when "real news" was censored and propagandu items inserted. :mrgreen:
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This is one of those episodes that leaves me wringing my hands in frustration.

An intelligent person would have gathered lots of "civil society" people and staged a demonstration to demand the arrest of those responsible for Mumbai and hold Pakistan responsible for paying compensation for the destruction of life and property due to Paki terror acts.

Let the AMonkeyAsha pappi-jhappi types take to the media and explain why that protest is intolerant and suppresses dissent.

Instead there is some goonda-giri!!
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after looking at that video and the ink smear, i am 400% sure this is staged by that idiot. he is not a person with integrity for me to just trust his version of events.
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Anujan wrote:This is one of those episodes that leaves me wringing my hands in frustration.

An intelligent person would have gathered lots of "civil society" people and staged a demonstration to demand the arrest of those responsible for Mumbai and hold Pakistan responsible for paying compensation for the destruction of life and property due to Paki terror acts.

Let the AMonkeyAsha pappi-jhappi types take to the media and explain why that protest is intolerant and suppresses dissent.

Instead there is some goonda-giri!!
But, Saar, what is the guarantee that media will cover such peaceful protest. Maybe they will just give nominal coverage and no one will notice it.
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Media seems to discover Su Kulkarni just at the time of elections. Noticed it 2/3 times.
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[quote="Falijee"]Haz-rat Blames RAA For His Arrest In Saudia :rotfl:
REVEALED: India’s RAW framed Zaid Hamid as Iranian spy in Saudi Arabia
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Hajj-Rat caught by Saudi.
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[urlhttp://www.hindustantimes.com/india/pakistan-army-brutally-treating-people-in-pok-manohar-parrikar/story-3aBr6KTtbBzAiS9hmtw32L.html]Pakistan Army brutally treating people in PoK: Manohar Parrikar [/url]
ndia’s defence minister Manohar Parrikar has said that Kashmiris should be made aware of the brutal atrocities committed by the Pakistan army on civilians in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK).
The defence minister said that India had to adopt a multi-pronged strategy with regard to Pakistan, one that included brute force vis-a-vis dealing with terror as well as political tact.

“You find kids being murdered, butchered in Peshawar. You find people going to mosques for prayers being killed. Killing is almost everywhere in Pakistan. I think these are poisonous fruits, seeds of which were sown by them. They should realise that the hate India campaign will not provide any solution,” he said.

Parrikar also said that Pakistan continues to send terrorists into India using cross-border firing as a decoy.

“Most of the times, the ceasefire violation is to ensure that some terrorists are pushed into Indian side. This is a cover up...” he said.
And the multi-pronged strategy appears to be working as is evident by the delivery of an UN Dossier to a UN clerk, cancellation of Samjhota Express, retailiation at LOC, bombastic statements by the Bad Sharif etc etc :mrgreen:
Asked whether the troika of Narendra Modi as Prime minister, him as Defence Minister and Ajit Doval as National Security Advisor could have had Pakistan worried, the former Goa chief minister said, “I think some aspects should be understood by symptoms. The worry can be seen on their faces and when they talk. I don’t have to explain anything beyond that.” :mrgreen:
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588 dead, 1,007 injured in 821 acts of terrorism

ISLAMABAD: Some 588 people were killed and another 1,007 sustained injuries in 821 incidents of terrorism in the country during the first eight months of the year.

This was revealed in a month-wise break-up issued by the interior division for the period between January and September 2015. January and May proved to be the deadliest months with 121 and 137 fatalities respectively. February turned out to be the safest month with only nine dead in acts of terrorism.

According to the Interior Division figures, 122 people were killed and 174 injured in 124 incidents of terrorism during the month of January.

Similarly, in 10 terrorism-related incidents during February, nine people were killed and 49 injured, in March 86 acts of terrorism occurred in which 45 persons were killed and 141 injured and in 113 incidents during month of April, 59 lost their lives and 110 got injured.

The data further revealed that the month of May witnessed 121 incidents of terrorism with 137 fatalities and injuries to 162 people. In June, there were 70 such incidents in which there were 50 dead and 55 injured, July saw 116 terror acts that left 65 people dead and 131 injured while in August, 61 people were killed and 77 injured in 82 incidents of terrorism.

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Falijee wrote:[
And the multi-pronged strategy appears to be working as is evident by the delivery of an UN Dossier to a UN clerk, cancellation of Samjhota Express, retailiation at LOC, bombastic statements by the Bad Sharif etc etc :mrgreen: Asked whether the troika of Narendra Modi as Prime minister, him as Defence Minister and Ajit Doval as National Security Advisor could have had Pakistan worried, the former Goa chief minister said, “I think some aspects should be understood by symptoms. The worry can be seen on their faces and when they talk. I don’t have to explain anything beyond that.” :mrgreen:
PM to take up issue of stalled Indo-Pak dialogue with Obama: Sartaj Aziz‏
De-Hotti Awart Will Entertain O- With Mujra
ISLAMABAD: Adviser to the Prime Minister on Foreign Affairs and National Security Sartaj Aziz on Monday said Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif would discuss the stalled dialogue between Pakistan and India with United States President Barack Obama during their upcoming meeting on October 22 at the White House."A number of other issues would also be discussed between the US President and PM Nawaz Sharif," Sartaj Aziz said while speaking to media.The adviser said that Indian state institutions, including the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW), are involved in terrorist activities in Pakistan.Sartaj added that there would be no compromise on Pakistan's foreign policy, adding that rising tensions between Pakistan and India are "hazardous to world peace."He went on to say that the dossier alleging Indian involvement in subversive activities in Pakistan, which was given to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon last month, would also be shared with other friendly countries.The adviser, however, rejected Indian allegations about Pakistan's support to non-state actors operating in India.Aziz reminded media personnel that the world knows that Pakistan's nuclear program is for peaceful purposes only.Speaking about the resumption of talks between the Afghan Taliban and the Afghan government, Aziz said that while it depends upon the Afghan leadership, Pakistan is ready to facilitate this process.
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JE Menon wrote:
Dipanker wrote:Smearing a little ink is not violence, it is just a bit of out of season holi. This guy is sellout A-hole and speaks Paki language.
I disagree completely. The act was an assault on a person for his ideas (even if despised) by someone other than the state. That is the problem. The monopoly on violence must remain with the state of India. Any other violence must come under rule of law. I hope they catch and prosecute these people who did this. This is not good for the country or for our civilisation. It must not be allowed to continue.
In principle I will agree with you on state's monopoly on violence with a caveat that state should only apply violence where it is just and justified according to Dharma. Not all violence perpetrated by state are ethically or morally right.

Now about the nature of violence in this particular case, we can split hairs. I wouldn't call it violence if he was not kicked and punched and he was not. May be jostled a bit but would that seriously qualify as violence?

A incidence of smearing ink in the face is not very different from being hit by a pie in the face as form of protest, which is more or less "acceptable" form of protest and not considered a serious breach of law. At the most it will incur a few hours in lock up and couple of 100 rupees/$ in fine.

(Lastly I have to make an exception in his case!)
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Hmm,
I wonder if Indian agents also questioned Haz-Rat Zaid Hamid to give up his research over to India in return for $50 million. Everyone knows that the tactical knowledge as a strategic analyst that Zaid Hamid possesses is very prized.

I know that every night RAW sent its emissaries to Zaid Hamid and offered inducements to him of every type. Sometimes even eastern european women would be sent there for this purpose!
I personally know that Modi, Doval and the rest of RAW would pay any amount of money to win over Zaid Hamid. If Zaid Hamid comes over to India's side, RAW will consider making him Sadar-e-Pakistan if RAW's plans are successful. I know that RAW is looking for Mir Sadiqs for long long time from Pakistan.
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From my chaiwallas goat I heard that RAW is following Chaanakyas book to the tee. Zaid Hamied conversion to a double agent confirms that.
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JE Menon wrote:
Dipanker wrote:Smearing a little ink is not violence, it is just a bit of out of season holi. This guy is sellout A-hole and speaks Paki language.
I disagree completely. The act was an assault on a person for his ideas (even if despised) by someone other than the state. That is the problem. The monopoly on violence must remain with the state of India. Any other violence must come under rule of law. I hope they catch and prosecute these people who did this. This is not good for the country or for our civilisation. It must not be allowed to continue.
If this is violence, then I wish all violence was like this. Seriously, the same set of people who thought throwing shoes at politicians was 'a courageous protest' are now whining about freedom of expression.

I wish the protest was done differently. What the Shiv Sena should have done was to bring victims of Pak terrorism, such as Tukaram Omble's family, children who were orphaned by the various Mumbai attacks, soldiers who lost limbs in the illegal wars of aggression by Pak and put together a powerful narrative that questioned the validity of the entire track II goat ******. Let the candle polishers walk through a welcoming committee made up of these victims before they go on to the shaam-ae-mausiki.

Unfortunately, Sena is the Sena and they dont have access to or dont believe in proper Public Relations campaigns. But if it is the only protest on offer, Ill take it. I think the govt. was right in providing security to Kasuri, but the protests were even more right in protesting the presence of the Pig in Mumbai, a city that has seen so much trauma from Pak terror.
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pie throwing is a good analogy. if only somebody did that to modi, that guy would have been a hero.

the double standards are very obvious here JEM.

a spate of targeted killings were carried out on hindu functionaries in TN - auditor ramesh etc.

not a peep from these seculars.
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Accused of fudging data to trick IMF

KARACHI: Imagine how the US Federal Reserve would react if a mainstream newspaper accused it of fudging data to hoodwink an international monetary agency.

It could either go into overdrive to dispel the accusation or accept responsibility for its regulatory misconduct. But it would never play ostrich while hoping for the accusation to go unnoticed by the general public.

However, the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) has chosen to remain silent following a similar accusation by Business Recorder, a national financial daily. It published a story on October 1 that accused the SBP of ‘fudging data’ to deceive the International Monetary Fund (IMF).

What did the trick was an alleged change in the cash reserve requirement (CRR) for five large banks on their deposits to help the government achieve the IMF’s quarterly targets.

Speaking to The Express Tribune, the SBP spokesman said the central bank would not comment on the accusation. “We have nothing to say on the issue,” he said, adding he could neither confirm nor deny any temporary change in CRR.

It is surprising that the central bank appears to be in no haste to defend its credibility, although the seriousness of the accusation can damage its reputation irreversibly.

So why – and how – exactly did the alleged statistical jugglery play out?

Under the loan agreement with the IMF, Pakistan was required to maintain its central bank’s net domestic assets (NDA) within the ceiling of Rs2.2 trillion by the end of September.

NDA mainly consists of net SBP credit to the general government plus outstanding credit to domestic banks by the SBP (minus liabilities not included in reserve money). Leaving semantics aside, let’s just say the IMF wants to limit NDA because its disproportionate growth is bad for economic management.

As opposed to the IMF’s target of Rs2.2 trillion for the end of September, the SBP website shows the NDA stock hovered around Rs2.8 trillion on September 18. This means the SBP’s NDA stock was in excess of roughly Rs648 billion.

So the quickest, and perhaps dishonest, way to reduce the stock of NDA temporarily was to tinker with the level of banks’ cash reserves for a brief period of time, thus immediately freeing up liquidity in the interbank market.

The weekly average CRR for every bank is 5% of the sum of its demand deposits and time deposits of up to one year. Every bank is bound to maintain the prescribed level of CRR, as they are penalised instantly for failing to maintain this weekly average.

Business Recorder alleged that the SBP waived CRR for big five banks, and slashed it to 3% for the rest of commercial banks, towards the end of September. This created excess liquidity in the interbank market immediately and led commercial banks to buy T-bills from the SBP.

As a result, the SBP’s stock of T-bills (which is government debt) went down, notably reducing the stock of NDA to the satisfaction of the IMF.

Former central bankers say any change in CRR must be preceded by an SBP circular – something conspicuously missing in the latest round of alleged window-dressing at the highest level of economic management.

Whether the SBP indeed waived CRR for banks is unclear. But the fact that the SBP is unwilling to come forward and dispel the impression of wrongdoing reflects poorly on its credibility.
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