Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Vipin_Upadhyay · Post by **Vipin_Upadhyay** » 28 Sep 2013 11:45

TBH, Dienasty has pretty decent line of young names.

I had attended Qatar Foundation, Doha Debate & listened to Sachin Pilot who was representing GOI, he took on Teesta Setlvad's pessimism & evil Hindoo tirade very cleverly. Got to say he & MJ Akbar both won the debate hands down against Teesta & hostile mainly Muslim crowd. Suprisingly, both Sachin & MJ refuted Teesta's Gujarat geeenocide rant and broad generalization.

Jyotir Scindia is good too. The biggest useless retard in CONparty is RaGa himself unfortunately he will be the whole & sole in future. Take RaGa out of system & Congress can put a decent show against future resurgence of Bhajapa which is inevitable.

In present system young Congress leaders will not be able to do much good towards Bharat as long as they remain under the dome of Dienasty.

subhamoy.das · Post by **subhamoy.das** » 28 Sep 2013 12:15

Narayana Rao wrote:Mms has not b**ls. I am surprised that a Sikh would-be shameless. Disgusting.

This is another pointer that it was scripted as soon as the gauge of the public mood was judged by CONGI. MMS and all were all part of the script before and after. All drama. Remember the drama of tearing up of paper in Guj election rally!

niran · Post by **niran** » 28 Sep 2013 12:16

kmkraoind wrote:Rahul core team consists of youngsters like Sachin Pilot, Jr Scindia, Milind Deora or Ajay Makan. But Rahul and its Dienasty system relies upon old guards like Janardhan Dwivedi, Motilala Vora, Diggy Raja and Ahmed Patel for strategies. These old guard want to repeat successful old tactics of Indira.

<snip> They want to show oldies like Kapil Sibal (Law min), Moily, PC and MMS as bad guys.

But they are forgetting one black swan, that is Sonia and her health. She is in death bed, <snip>

they are order takers not think tank saar, there is a difference

gabil sibal is madame chamcha MMS has had his wings clipped his right hand was sent to Rashtrapati bhawan
the left hand was nephewed from rail bhawan most trusted and most covert is correcting grammatical mistakes in MMS speeches

i do not think so, if me eyes is right, see saar have seen and watched and touched cancer patients from far and near, the skin texture
and the walk and the eyes and the cheeks are not treated cancerisque, it is normal aging.

for those who want proof for the existence of yameriki team, pliss to be looking for a hatil where sibal janab has a permanent suite
reserved in the name of his birader in law. there is a reason why INC was most upset when RTI included the politikal parties.

subhamoy.das · Post by **subhamoy.das** » 28 Sep 2013 12:17

kittoo wrote:
Gus wrote:
I am kinda getting nervous about these kind of photo-ops (showing Muslims supporting BJP) and news that BJP is specifically asking its Muslim supporters to be there in the crows in Muslim attire. I hope BJP doesnt go in the opposite direction again and try to become 'secular'.

They are in the right direction of being a TRUE secular - read Nationalist - path. We need all nationalist muslims to line up with the HINDU brothers and be hind NAMO

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 28 Sep 2013 12:52

Rahul Gandhi's 'complete nonsense' remark embarrasses party and government

The impromptu act has clearly drawn a line between his team and the PM. Ministers like Sibal and Salman Khurshid are not in Rahul's good books and he has made it very clear within the party. Khurshid has been seeking an appointment with him but he hasn't got a chance to meet him. Rahul believes that these leaders can't win their own seats and largely remain aloof from the workers and people in their constituency

In a rare gesture, Obama walks to White House portico to see off PM

Washington: In a rarest of the rare gesture, US President Barack Obama personally walked down to the White House portico to see off Prime Minister Manmohan Singh after a meeting with him at the Oval Office. Those familiar with the strict White House protocol said that this was the rarest of the rare gesture by the President, which they have not seen in the recent past. Officials in the past have noted that Obama has great respect for the Prime Minister not only as a great leader and a statesman but also as an economist. The two leaders have enjoyed a great personal equation.

There is a say in Telugu బయట పులి, ఇంట్లో పిల్లి , means a person is tiger outside becomes cat in the house. Perfectly suits for MMS.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 28 Sep 2013 13:26

Narayana Rao wrote:Mms has not b**ls. I am surprised that a Sikh would-be shameless. Disgusting.

I wish MMS will now kick some arse. Hope he will revolt. He knows he is more or less finished.

James B · Post by **James B** » 28 Sep 2013 13:32

From teetar

negi · Post by **negi** » 28 Sep 2013 13:44

panduranghari wrote:
Narayana Rao wrote:Mms has not b**ls. I am surprised that a Sikh would-be shameless. Disgusting.
I wish MMS will now kick some arse. Hope he will revolt. He knows he is more or less finished.

Guys guys it's not about balls it's about having some dignity and pride jo usme bilkul nahin hai; some people like to revel in $hit.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 28 Sep 2013 13:57

Rahul’s entry all guns blazing may fell Lalu, entice Nitish

Interesting take on the actions of Rahul.

subhamoy.das · Post by **subhamoy.das** » 28 Sep 2013 14:03

what is the typical life cycle of a dynasty - 50, 100 ? I think the Gandhi dynasty about the half way mark and may be will end in about 40 more years!

subhamoy.das · Post by **subhamoy.das** » 28 Sep 2013 14:08

panduranghari wrote:
Narayana Rao wrote:Mms has not b**ls. I am surprised that a Sikh would-be shameless. Disgusting.
I wish MMS will now kick some arse. Hope he will revolt. He knows he is more or less finished.

He will not. He is part of the script. The fight is between Sibal gang and RG gang! This is the Indira Vs Cyndicate rehash at its best. But this time the opposition is very very strong. So I think the RG plan to is to kick out the cyndicate and gain control and then in 10 years time aim at the throne.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 28 Sep 2013 14:21

Any news from AP?

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 28 Sep 2013 16:51

From @Gen_VKSingh twitter a/c -

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 28 Sep 2013 16:58

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Sep 2013 16:59

the greatest dynasties in India have at best had 3 successful kings eg chandragupta, samudragupta, ashoka .... often just 2 before overthrow or due to lack of capable hier, either a cousin/nephew or someone from class of nobles makes a play.
give each powerful ruler a period of around 25 years.

by that yardstick the Congi dynasty which started in 1947 and had its luminaries as JLN and IG is already into its 65th year !! with bare 10 years of break in rule for janata party, turd front and NDA.

left to itself it would wither and die and fragment but just like TSP has its 420 fathers, so too external stimuli from hidden players and regional players who love the freedom a corrupt delhi affords to make money keep it propped up with periodic steroid injections. also in older times the armed forces would refuse to follow a imbecile ruler and install someone more capable - a noose called democracy and "civilian superiority" was invented to prevent this. people who saw their rulers disrespect their faith and culture would again revolt and hang their rulers heads on a pike, but here the powerful elites are mostly westernized and fed on sickularism and the less powerful are throws crumbs of rice and wheat to keep them off the revolutionary road.

so yes this rotten structure could very well endure for another 50 years under one guise or another.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 28 Sep 2013 17:09

Singa garu, in business circles they say there is a 3-generational curse, where every dynasty after 3rd gen withers away. Exception being Birlas where they got a boon of 7 successful generations by a Sadhu. Probably this rule applies to politics too, never heard of any Kingdoms or political family or business family that has successful 4th or 5th generation. Even Mughal Dynasty is not a continuous one, start it with Humayun.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 28 Sep 2013 18:20

JD-U MLA Chhedi Paswan meets Modi, offers to join BJP

Chhedi Paswan, a Janata Dal-United MLA from Bihar, on Sunday met BJP's Prime Ministerial candidate Narendra Modi, offering to join his party.

He met the Gujarat Chief Minister at his office.

Paswan, a four-time legislator, represents Mohania assembly seat under the Sasaram Lok Sabha constituency.

He has defeated Lok Sabha Speaker Meira Kumar twice in the polls.

Paswan's meeting comes ahead of Modi's Hunkaar rally in Patna on October 27.

Earlier, Congress leaders Sadhu Yadav and Dasai Chaudhary and JD-U MP Jai Narain Prasad had met Modi.

The meeting comes after Paswan's party ended its alliance with the BJP over the BJP elevating Modi as the head of its campaign committee.

Good sign, IMHO. Reaching out to the EBCs, MBCs and SC constituency is long overdue in the caste calc for the GV. Growing through acquisitions maynot be a bad idea in areas where the BJP is anyway not very strong. But its a case of adverse selection, folks will want to join only in areas where bjp is already strong, no? Lez wait and see.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 28 Sep 2013 18:32

Sushma didi is now speaking in AP. Why she showing so much interest in AP affairs? BJP may have careful as it need to stop INC plans there and join with CBN. Making all kinds of statements now make it difficult. Is Sushma playing a spoiler in AP?

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 28 Sep 2013 18:36

rrNDTV too forced to report truth... or maybe manish tiwari's angry phone call is yet to rrring in their plush HQ...

For Narendra Modi's rally, Delhi Metro makes special arrangements

The Delhi Metro has made special arrangements for BJP leader Narendra Modi's rally in the capital tomorrow, as an estimated 50,000 people would be using the facility to reach the venue, officials said.

multiple psy-ops there... mere 50k, innit? repat that often enough and next day their saying 70k instead might sound credible, perhaps?

Also, what DMRC arrangements, saar? Hopefully not like were made during the Dec 16 rape protests when entire series of stations were closed down to prevent people assembling for protests...

The Delhi Metro Rail Corporation (DMRC) would be pressing into service extra trains and feeder buses, issuing return tickets and increasing the frequency of all trains going towards Rohini from the present five minutes to three minutes.

"Normally on Sundays, the Delhi Metro does not operate its full fleet due to fewer footfalls but tomorrow (Sunday) all the 26 trains on the Red Line would be running," said Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader Vijender Gupta after meeting DMRC managing director Mangu Singh.

"Confirming this, a DMRC official added: "We are taking all the necessary steps for crowd management."

"For the first time the DMRC will be issuing return tickets to people in groups to prevent long queues at ticket counters. The group return tickets can be bought at any station," said Mr Gupta who is in-charge of the rally's preparations.

In addition, extra feeder buses will ply between Rohini West Metro station and the nearby Japanese Park, where the rally is scheduled to take place.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 28 Sep 2013 18:38

Narayana Rao wrote:Sushma didi is now speaking in AP. Why she showing so much interest in AP affairs? BJP may have careful as it need to stop INC plans there and join with CBN. Making all kinds of statements now make it difficult. Is Sushma playing a spoiler in AP?

Sakshi today,openly criticizing Modi. This means, CBN is aligning and Jagan and BJP wont ally with each other.

link

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 28 Sep 2013 18:44

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moved to relevant thread - game plan of con race in 2014

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Sep 2013 18:54

MMS had openly not ruled out seeking a 3rd term. "we will cross that bridge when we come to it" were his words when asked of it.
these episodes are designed to beat him and reduce his public reputation already damaged to dust, plus take away some of the mud off the INC while leaving.
idea is to make it impossible for him to even float any idea of a 3rd term.

AKA will surely be the PM candidate for 2014. another MMS-mki in the making. no past record of scandals, soft spoken, learned, not known as a rebel or bidrohi.
I had predicted his long ago that AKA would be anointed.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 28 Sep 2013 19:00

Congis ruled from 1947-1977=30 years
Again ruled from 1980-1996=16 years
Again from 2004-2014=10 years.????

Declining periods of congi rule with die nasty refusing to be in the PM role.
Huge sea change due to failing ground support from the Indian masses.

From heights of virtually ruling many if not all states to a few states, Indians have come along way in dismantling the congis rule election by election and generation by generation of voters.
Man states now have opposition n power with congis in opposition. Unthinkable few years back.
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Opposition parties have also grown in strength from no opposition to a major opposition during these periods with almost equal number of seats. Caste based parties are a sidekick to the whole process. They can never be true rulers but can play spoilsport.
This will be a temporary phase going by the trends of time.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 28 Sep 2013 19:01

Hari Seldon wrote:rrNDTV too forced to report truth... or maybe manish tiwari's angry phone call is yet to rrring in their plush HQ...

Best description of that channel yet

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 28 Sep 2013 19:02

the best way to move away from indic secularism is to correct the secularism rather than getting away from it like hot potato. it is not possible, and would be like creating big problems rather smooth admin.

secularism by definition is the way to go for corrections... admin and gov should be run considering all religion, sect, caste as equal, and provide an EoE framework. gone are the days of quota craps.

provide economic status based sections, the benefits of gov programs and yojnas. that is the first step. if we can't understand this.. then we are light years away from realizing democracy [65 years and no democracy].

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 28 Sep 2013 19:20

kmkraoind wrote:Rahul core team consists of youngsters like Sachin Pilot, Jr Scindia, Milind Deora or Ajay Makan. But Rahul and its Dienasty system relies upon old guards like Janardhan Dwivedi, Motilala Vora, Diggy Raja and Ahmed Patel for strategies. These old guard want to repeat successful old tactics of Indira.

Among all old tactics, the most spectacular one is Indira Gandhi vs Syndicate fight that paved for Indira's success. Now they want to repeat the same, and want to project Clown Prince as angry young Indira who want to remove dead wood from Congress tree. The ordinance drama is part of it. They want to show oldies like Kapil Sibal (Law min), Moily, PC and MMS as bad guys.

But they are forgetting one black swan, that is Sonia and her health. She is in death bed, if she kicks the bucket in this battle. Rahul will get blood in his hands and Priyanaka Vadra will get muddied for not stopping that. All NaMo or BJP needs to tell masses that Sonia died due to shenanigans of power-greedy Rahul and their coterie. It will be end of Dienasty saga in India. JMT.

I think we are reading too much into it. More likely, the cocain baby tried to keep his tangdi unchi (one-upmanship) before Pranab da rejects the ordinance and earn some points by this tectical brilliance. I don't think this will have any effect on election outcome as those who understands what that ordinance is would also understand this dramabazi - media spin not withstandding. And those who don't understand it, give a s*** to it.

Revolt against oldies (bolded in your post) is not possible. They know too much about dienasty. Of all times, this is the least appropriate time to do that thing. They are staring at a big defeat which can potentially result in their disasterous fate. Remember, RG (or even SG) is not Indira AND this is not 70s India.

Yet, I do hope that you are true. It will be a fun time if it ever happens.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 28 Sep 2013 19:33

IMO these rallies by NaMo are good to boost his popularity. But to ensure they are translated into votes they need to do small public meets in each and every constituency by their smaller leaders - just like in UP. The advantages are multifold. The small leader can speak about the things which NM cannot and it will boost the stature of the local leader as well and MSM can be countered effectively. States like WB, Jharkhand, Bihar, Hariyana and AP would be ideal and ripe for this kind of meets. Are such public meets being done in any other state barring UP?

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 28 Sep 2013 19:39

Samuel started his drama as per his deal now talking for united AP and Sushma talking and personally undertook to give Telangana at the same time. Why she is playing into INC hand so openly? 30 plus MP seats will be secured by Xongee is their drama is not stopped. I am not sure Modi open for one sided approach and tried to reconcile all areas during his visit. Sushma today showed no such thing. One would have expected her to facilitate alliance with cbn who need to sell bjp to entire state. But she is behaving like a bull in a China shop. No wonder she stuck with Lka gang.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 28 Sep 2013 19:42

These rallies are generating a lot of interest in Bharatiya. Many discussions previously always brushed under, are quite open. Shameless vote bank politics for one is a mainstream one. Also it is clear, NM wants India First as a secular credo. That means a lot. It means putting divisive Caste, Religious barriers behind and putting country ahead. These are very significant breaks and are rallying strength each NM 5Lac plus rally anywhere. These are the kind of changes that are springing hope in people. Everyone is realizing that if there is a contentious issue, no better leader will look at the Pro's and Cons and make the most appropriate decision than NM. Everyone see's he listens, Everyone hears he see's things other politicians don't see or care for. He is winning large grounds in media, intellectual discourse, people in all walks. Now after tomorrow even a lot of International leaders will be listening to his message. I think tomorrow's Delhi rally, there will be a lot of focus on international relations and issues. That is probably why the BJP has invited a lot of foreign leaders to attend it.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 28 Sep 2013 19:51

5L participants per 101 rallies is 5 crore voters. If each of them can influence we are looking at 50 crore voters. Perhaps NM should take a oath of that (India first and congress-mukth bharat nirman) in each of his rallies.

Then the second round should be identifying and calling out each and every member of congress B and C teams.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 28 Sep 2013 19:59

what if pappu contends modi by separately contesting as youth congress pm candidate!?!?

perhaps they might even get a legal election symbol.. with a hand with two fingers (U). the new non-reluctant redefined gandhi live-nasty shall continue!

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 28 Sep 2013 20:06

Gus wrote:i am actually giving the benefit of doubt to rahul. i don't think it is scripted. it is entirely possible that he just mouthed off impulsively, with / without being scripted on what to say.

one correct opinion, even if honest, does not redeem his lifetime of incompetence though.

This is probably true. It looks like putting too much at stake for it to be scripted. Everyone but RG is embarrassed, so may not be scripted.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 28 Sep 2013 20:18

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Sep 2013 20:32

SaiK wrote:what if pappu contends modi by separately contesting as youth congress pm candidate!?!?

perhaps they might even get a legal election symbol.. with a hand with two fingers (U). the new non-reluctant redefined gandhi live-nasty shall continue!

Or one hand with middle finger?

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 28 Sep 2013 20:40

that would be after elections - shown to aam voters.

skaranam · Post by **skaranam** » 28 Sep 2013 21:15

Of these people who are attending how many are youth and of these how many are registered to vote? is BJP marking them and make sure that these potential voters get registered

archan · Post by **archan** » 28 Sep 2013 21:18

For the benefit of users:
Use of terms such as RoP, RoL and their derivatives, or made-up words hinting at religious dislike like "xongis" will result in warnings. There are a million things to criticize the party and govt. on, and people only want to focus on religion!

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 28 Sep 2013 21:33

^^
Saar,

Onlee if Congis could consider majority Hindus an ally not enemy and make the majority Hindus a partner in growth we won't be discussing this issue. Congis should not consider the Hindus as Aam aadmi but they should consider them special Aadmi like they apparently seem to be considering followers of Abrahamic religions.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 28 Sep 2013 21:39

you should put that question to some congress office bearer, not on BRF.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 28 Sep 2013 21:54

archan wrote:For the benefit of users:
Use of terms such as RoP, RoL and their derivatives, or made-up words hinting at religious dislike like "xongis" will result in warnings. There are a million things to criticize the party and govt. on, and people only want to focus on religion!

Will a poster be warned if proper discussion is carried out w.r.t. congress hypocrisy regarding using religion as a political tool ???