Discussion on Indian Special Forces

sunny y · Post by **sunny y** » 14 Mar 2010 19:45

West Bengal to raise elite anti-Maoist force

http://in.news.yahoo.com/32/20100314/10 ... -maoi.html

Modelled on the anti-naxal Greyhound force of Andhra Pradesh, commandos of the new force will receive intense training in counter-guerrilla warfare. The squad will comprise 937 personnel, said a senior police officer, not willing to be quoted. They will also be trained in jungle warfare, like their counterparts in Andhra Pradesh.

Apart from physical and combat training, the force will be shown video footages of Maoist movements, collected by Greyhound officers. This will be done to familiarise them with Maoist techniques, the officer said. The members of this force, tentatively called Counter Insurgency Force (CIF), will also receive combat training from the military

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 15 Mar 2010 17:05

A video on the training of the Maharashtra Special Forces:

vaibhav.n · Post by **vaibhav.n** » 27 Mar 2010 15:58

Hi,

I am new on BR tho i have viewed the site for countless years now...I have a few pics left of army SF mostly 22SF when I was with dad(lost most of them when my disk crashed). Would people be interested if I post them. Would I be required to fuzz out the facial features for operatives??...

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 27 Mar 2010 16:52

Or send it to one of the BRF admins for a quick review before they put it

Or send it to me for verifying it with my friends that it is ok (if you trust me )

balaji_b4 a t garam hawa

atreya · Post by **atreya** » 27 Mar 2010 18:42

vaibhav.n wrote:Hi,

I am new on BR tho i have viewed the site for countless years now...I have a few pics left of army SF mostly 22SF when I was with dad(lost most of them when my disk crashed). Would people be interested if I post them. Would I be required to fuzz out the facial features for operatives??...

"Would be people be interested if I post them"

Sir, I am virtually drooling to see the pics!! And so are countless BRFites!

sum · Post by **sum** » 27 Mar 2010 19:23

vaibhav.n wrote:Hi,

I am new on BR tho i have viewed the site for countless years now...I have a few pics left of army SF mostly 22SF when I was with dad(lost most of them when my disk crashed). Would people be interested if I post them. Would I be required to fuzz out the facial features for operatives??...

Sir-jee,
Kindly never ever ask such haraam questions. BRFites would kill to have a glance at such pics.

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 27 Mar 2010 19:48

Gagan wrote:A video on the training of the Maharashtra Special Forces:

Nice video. But this ain't Force 1. This is the Commando Force "Beat Marshals" which was formed by the Mumbai police when the underworld activity was at its peak in the late 90s. This force IIRC was later disbanded and the ATS was formed.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 27 Mar 2010 23:37

vaibhav.n wrote:Hi,

I am new on BR tho i have viewed the site for countless years now...I have a few pics left of army SF mostly 22SF when I was with dad(lost most of them when my disk crashed). Would people be interested if I post them. Would I be required to fuzz out the facial features for operatives??...

vaibhav.n, please correct me if I'm wrong, but is not 22 SF Special Group/part of the Special Group? Please exercise extreme caution with these pics. It would be better to check with your old man before you post these on BRF or on any public forum. IA has been extremely cagey with information related to this formation.

Please listen to advise from Surya.

rkhanna · Post by **rkhanna** » 28 Mar 2010 08:06

vaibhav.n, please correct me if I'm wrong, but is not 22 SF Special Group/part of the Special Group?

i dont think so. 22 battalion paras is a sf unit. i think you are reffering to the unofficial term 22 which is used for the SFF/SG.

vaibhav.n · Post by **vaibhav.n** » 28 Mar 2010 10:20

rkhanna wrote:
vaibhav.n, please correct me if I'm wrong, but is not 22 SF Special Group/part of the Special Group?
i dont think so. 22 battalion paras is a sf unit. i think you are reffering to the unofficial term 22 which is used for the SFF/SG.

@rkhanna
There is no Army (SF) unit designated 22. 22SF is the quasi officio name given to SG...actually its..22SF(SG)...dats how it appears even in commendations now! Dnt ask me why its preety sketchy got smthng to do with the last designation being being 21Para(SF) and that the unit is closely organised in the SAS structure with Squadrons et all .Mailing the pics to surya, but would be able to post only a few of them.

@rohitvats
have mailed the pics to surya. Will not be able to post more.

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 28 Mar 2010 10:24

vaibhav.n wrote: @rkhanna
There is no Army (SF) unit designated 22. 22SF is the quasi officio name given to SG...actually its..22SF(SG)...dats how it appears even in commendations now! Dnt ask me why its preety sketchy got smthng to do with the last designation being being 21Para(SF) and that the unit is closely organised in the SAS structure with Squadrons et all .Mailing the pics to surya, but would be able to post only a few of them.

You should post them in the military pictures thread.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 28 Mar 2010 10:43

vaibhav please avoid the sms speak.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 28 Mar 2010 12:37

vaibhav.n wrote:
@rkhanna
There is no Army (SF) unit designated 22. 22SF is the quasi officio name given to SG...actually its..22SF(SG)...dats how it appears even in commendations now! Dnt ask me why its preety sketchy got smthng to do with the last designation being being 21Para(SF) and that the unit is closely organised in the SAS structure with Squadrons et all .Mailing the pics to surya, but would be able to post only a few of them.

You might be referring to Establishment 22, which the SFF used to be called during initial days of CIA assistance.

hulaku · Post by **hulaku** » 28 Mar 2010 13:00

Actually vaibhav is right. They are reffered to as 22 SF. I am just posting some thing from the IA site as an example

21. IC-57671 MAJ PAWAN DEEP SINGH BAL, 21 BIHAR

22. IC-57791 MAJ ABHIJEET SINGH, 7 PARA

23. IC-52123 CAPT VELUSWAMY TIRUPATHI, INT, 2 DET EC ISG,(POSTHUMOUS)

24. IC-57219 CAPT UDAI SINGH, PARA, 22 SF

25. IC-57393 CAPT RAKESH PACHORA, ARMD, 5 ASSAM RIF

26. IC-57947 CAPT RAJESH SHARMA, GDRS, 29 RR

27. IC-58252 CAPT PALLIPURAM RAJAMANI VINAYAK, 2 PARA (SF)

28. IC-58296 CAPT KUMAR RANVIJAY, PUNJAB, 37 RR

29. IC-58298 CAPT LALEET KUMAR MOHANTY, ARTY, 9 RR

30. IC-58628 CAPT KAPIL YADAV, 9 PARA (SF)

31. IC-58662 CAPT BINESH NAIR, 2 PARA (SF)

http://indianarmy.nic.in/Site/FormTempl ... OztYMHcDI=

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 28 Mar 2010 13:08

vaibhav.n wrote:
@rkhanna
There is no Army (SF) unit designated 22. 22SF is the quasi officio name given to SG...actually its..22SF(SG)...dats how it appears even in commendations now! Dnt ask me why its preety sketchy got smthng to do with the last designation being being 21Para(SF) and that the unit is closely organised in the SAS structure with Squadrons et all .Mailing the pics to surya, but would be able to post only a few of them.

@rohitvats
have mailed the pics to surya. Will not be able to post more.

vaibhav.n, thank you for the consideration. Lot of us fauji kids have access to such information which might be sensitive in nature. But we may not realize it; having grown up with such things around us. Therefore, it is important to exercise caution while discussing such things in public forum.

@rkhanna sahab - 21Para(SF) is the last unit of Parachute Regiment - converted from 21 MLI to Para SF for the North East. There is no 22 Para/Para(SF) Regiment in the Orbat of Indian Army.

Raja Bose wrote: You might be referring to Establishment 22, which the SFF used to be called during initial days of CIA assistance.

Bose babu, vaibhav's explanation is correct. Please read the citation of Major Udai Singh for SC here:

http://majorudaisingh.com/citations.htm
(the site is a treasure trove of pics and offer a glimpse into CI Ops by an elite arm of IA)

It starts with:

SHAURYA CHAKRA
IC-57219 Capt. Udai Singh, SM
PARA/22 SPECIAL FORCES (Posthumous)

He was commisioned into 1 Para(SF) and then volunteered for Special Group(Mavericks)

sum · Post by **sum** » 28 Mar 2010 13:38

@rohitvats
have mailed the pics to surya. Will not be able to post more.

Surya-saar,

Kindly do the needful censoring and post the pics ASAP. Cant wait to see them ( already in the mood after the superlative pics of IAF man,Sartaj's photoalbum in the other thread)

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 28 Mar 2010 18:19

Cant wait for the pics!

So this is now the SFF wing? Earlier it was a winged dagger.

Btw how come this officer is wearing glasses?

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 28 Mar 2010 18:38

Aditya G wrote:Cant wait for the pics!

So this is now the SFF wing? Earlier it was a winged dagger.

....<SNIP>

That bade is SG and does not apply on the whole to SFF. And which "Winged Dagger" are you referring to? Is there a pic of the same? I hope you're not confusing with the "Balidan Badge" of the Para(SF)

As for the glasses, that is not an uncommon site in the IA...nothing forbades you from wearing the same. Unlike IAF, Ia does not need 6/6 eyesight...

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 28 Mar 2010 18:40

Got the pics thanks - forwarded them for approval.

will let you know when I hear back.

Regards

Surya

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 28 Mar 2010 19:05

Surya wrote:Got the pics thanks - forwarded them for approval.

will let you know when I hear back.

Regards

Surya

I really wish we get to see some of them at least....waiting in anticipation.

vaibhav.n · Post by **vaibhav.n** » 28 Mar 2010 19:29

rohitvats wrote:
Surya wrote:Got the pics thanks - forwarded them for approval.

will let you know when I hear back.

Regards

Surya
I really wish we get to see some of them at least....waiting in anticipation.

@rohitvats
Please donot have too high expectations. I have kept the pics a bit obscure and dnt follow a series as it is donot have much left of the orignal series.

Regards,
Vaibhav

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 28 Mar 2010 20:03

rohitvats wrote:That bade is SG and does not apply on the whole to SFF. And which "Winged Dagger" are you referring to?

This one: http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/thumbs/SFF_IG_1973_t.jpg

hulaku · Post by **hulaku** » 28 Mar 2010 20:15

Can anyone tell what is the insignia with a person with a winged horse body with a bow and arrow.

Its there on this site with the Para badge in the middle and the Balidan on the right and this one is on the left.

http://www.indianparachuteregiment.kar.nic.in/index.asp

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 28 Mar 2010 20:23

viabhav is right

let me tamp down expectations

They are not before or after action pictures as such.

I think 2 should not be an issue.

2 others maybe an id issue - so let me see I get back.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 28 Mar 2010 20:33

Aditya G wrote:
rohitvats wrote:That bade is SG and does not apply on the whole to SFF. And which "Winged Dagger" are you referring to?
This one: http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/thumbs/SFF_IG_1973_t.jpg

The Para Wings earlier used to be worn on the sleeves as in the pics above. It looks to me the same. Though, iirc, the same were on the right shoulder.

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 28 Mar 2010 20:33

Surya wrote:Got the pics thanks - forwarded them for approval.

will let you know when I hear back.

Regards

Surya

Out of curiosity, who do you exactly forward them to for approval? Is there a media rep for the IA?

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 28 Mar 2010 20:53

hulaku wrote:Can anyone tell what is the insignia with a person with a winged horse body with a bow and arrow.

Its there on this site with the Para badge in the middle and the Balidan on the right and this one is on the left.

http://www.indianparachuteregiment.kar.nic.in/index.asp

AFAIK, that is the formation sign of the 50(I) Parachute Brigade...

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 28 Mar 2010 21:01

Carl

nope - no formal reps

just friends who are serving and ex SF\SG etc

hulaku · Post by **hulaku** » 28 Mar 2010 21:06

rohitvats wrote:AFAIK, that is the formation sign of the 50(I) Parachute Brigade...

Thanks for your reply.

I just have one more pooch

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_o_no4M2xEPY/S ... 799154.JPG

What is the insignia on the right hand side of this Para with a Tavor? I have also seen it on Marcos in Kashmir in some pic.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 28 Mar 2010 21:10

combat diver.

hulaku · Post by **hulaku** » 28 Mar 2010 21:17

Rahul M wrote:combat diver.

Thank you for the information.

sum · Post by **sum** » 28 Mar 2010 21:18

Do the mavericks wear NSG style black dungaree also?

hulaku · Post by **hulaku** » 28 Mar 2010 21:23

^^^ Maj. Udai Singh ^^^ We salute you.

Just one more pooch.

Cant help after seeing Maj. sahib's photo. What is the badge on the bottom right next to the Balidan badge?

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 28 Mar 2010 22:26

sum wrote:Do the mavericks wear NSG style black dungaree also?

The use of dungarees (black or otherwise) is not the preserve of any one arm in IA; many services use them as per the requirement. Though, their use in certain arms is more as compared to others.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 28 Mar 2010 23:04

Sorry guys

Reply back

Not recommended for public viewing.

vaibhav

sent you an email - also -

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 28 Mar 2010 23:49

Surya wrote:Sorry guys-Reply back

Not recommended for public viewing.

vaibhav
sent you an email - also -

.............I'm heart broken (but had thought as much.....)

ashdivay · Post by **ashdivay** » 28 Mar 2010 23:55

BIRTH OF INDIAN SPECIAL FORCES, AT FT.BRAGG, NC.
http://ashsworldonline.blogspot.com/201 ... ahiri.html
Pic from India's Past.

This is a News Release pic of Indian Army officer in Ft. Bragg NC USA, the year was 1964.
Indo-US relations have suddenly become good after Sino-India war of 62. The result was military and Intel corporation between India and USA.

This pic is a fine proof of one such Hindi Americi bhai bhai .

Anyway the officer is Young Major (Later Lt.Gen.) M.K. "MIKE" Lahiri. (b Sep 20,1934, d Feb 16, 1996)

He was one of the few officers who had a chance to go to Ft. Bragg and undergo training and one of the first Indians to get Green Beret.

He was truly a great officer and would have been a Army Chief had it not been for his passing. Truly India did lose a great Gorkha.

Even today he is remembered by his friends,family and those who served with and under him.
But whats bad is that there is hardly little or no mention of this great officer on any of the SO called Indian Army fan site.

Jai Hind !

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 29 Mar 2010 04:25

But whats bad is that there is hardly little or no mention of this great officer on any of the SO called Indian Army fan site.

why don't you write up an article then ? I'm sure BR will be more than happy to host it.

Rajput · Post by **Rajput** » 29 Mar 2010 09:39

hulaku wrote:Can anyone tell what is the insignia with a person with a winged horse body with a bow and arrow.

That's Shatrujeet, the insignia of the 50 Para Bde.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 29 Mar 2010 09:48

Interesting to know that they use 22SF designation for SG. Coz if memory serves me right their public obits used to say SG (no number) before - ToI in fact used to carry a few every year during 1990s.