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abhischekcc wrote:I think the export of gold from India is a good thing. Not only does it help release the 'dead' money stuck in gold. Besides, sale abroad will help in bringing in Forex now that exports are down. Sales by individuals will help support consumption. I don't see any downside to gold sales at this time.
Even if a minority of people (20%) in India off-load their Gold and what that does to price and what would the other 80% do when the prices come down. About time cunning banias start to sell high, buy low on the outsiders.

I think we have our own Tulip type stories in the making :D
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abhischekcc wrote:I think the export of gold from India is a good thing. Not only does it help release the 'dead' money stuck in gold. Besides, sale abroad will help in bringing in Forex now that exports are down. Sales by individuals will help support consumption. I don't see any downside to gold sales at this time.
The export of gold is a good thing only if this is a cyclic upswing. Those who are selling gold today do intend to buy it again later during the downswing. But gold prices have been steadily rising over long term signalling a no return to prices at which we sell today.
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Economic crisis: US expects India to play a greater role
US treasury secretary Timothy Geithner said that the US is advocating for the completion of the next review of the IMF quotas in order to see a shift in voice and vote to emerging market and developing countries
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Tamang wrote:If I am not wrong then Vaidyanathan sir is a BRite.

'Swiss black money can take India to the top' - Professor R Vaidyanathan

Its a very important issue. The goal has to be to bringback the money to circulate in the Indian economy. Instead of concetrating on the legal aspects, the need of the hour is to work on creating instruments to bring it back to spur econommic growth in these distressed times.

Some sort to a reinvestment bonds floated by RBI with these funds and no questions asked/amnesty is first step. And then a few massive examples for those who dont take advantage of the amnesty is needed.

While Swiss might get some H&D help from EU and West, need to focus on paupering the other tax havens which dont have Swiss marquee value.
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The people who can do that are the people who have got their money locked behind Swiss vault. Why would they do it ?
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India must monetise deficit to aid pvt investment-CII.

NEW DELHI, March 31 (Reuters) - India should monetise its burgeoning fiscal deficit to aid private investment and boost the slowing economy, despite risks of inflation and sovereign downgrades, a top industry body said on Tuesday.

The country's consolidated fiscal deficit, including state deficits and off-budget items, may rise to 10 percent of the gross domestic product and financing this gap could crowd out private borrowings and keep interest rates hard, analysts say.

India will sell a record 2.4 trillion rupees of debt by September, two-thirds of its full-year target, and fears government spending will overshoot have sent benchmark bond yields spiking and undermined the efficacy of deep rate cuts by the central bank in recent months.

"Monetising the deficit and improving the currency flow is very important," Confederation of Indian Industry's (CII) president Venu Srinivasan told reporters at a news conference.

"Otherwise what happens with such a high level of deficit is you'll find investment drying up in the country .. If borrowing does not take place, investment does not take place, economic growth won't take place also."

Despite the central bank's cuts in policy rates and reserve requirements of banks, credit to the industry was scarce and expensive, Srinivasan said.

India's key short-term interest rate is at an eight-and-half year low of 5.5 percent, but outstanding loans have grown a mere 5.8 percent in the last six months, central bank data shows

India's growth in 2008/09 is expected at 7 percent or lower, compared with 9 percent or more in the past three years. Some have pegged growth in 2009/10 at as low as 6 percent.

Currently, the law prohibits the central bank from buying debt directly from the government, and on Monday, Deputy Governor Rakesh Mohan said private placement of such debt ought to be avoided.

Srinivas said the monetising of the deficit could stoke inflation and prompt sovereign rating downgrades, but it was an acceptable risk and the government should return to the path of fiscal prudence once the global economy revived.

"You will have a risk of greater inflation but at the same time you'll give the economy a boost," he said. "In the medium term, fiscal prudence has to come back." (Reporting by C.J. Kuncheria; Editing by Ramya Venugopal)
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Whats he saying in plain language?
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Do what GOTUS is doing - print more money and buy up bonds to reduce the yield. Is that plain english enough? Guru log, am I correct in my translation to plainspeak?
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R Vaidya intvw in Rediff

The issue is going mainstream, or so I hope.
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Here's from Wiki:
Debt monetization occurs when a nation's central bank buys government bonds. If a government's expenses exceed its tax revenue, if nothing is done the government will draw resources (capital) out of the private market. Since there is a limited amount of capital available in the market, there will be less available to fund business growth if the government takes out a substantial portion. If the debt is monetized, the capital is thereby returned to the private market.
Excessive debt monetization can be inflationary, which in some eyes can be seen as a flat tax because the ultimate result is that the government acquires additional funds and the currency decreases in value.

However, monetization helps the government temporarily to meet its short term commitments at the beginning. On the other hand, some degree of debt monetization is useful for increasing the money supply, to keep up with increased production or economic growth.

Hence it is a primary tool of the Federal Reserve in managing interest rates. Excessive debt monetization has the drawback of increasing the twin deficit. That is, when government financing is increased, along with interest rates and foreign capital, the trade deficit also goes up along with the budget deficit.
Seems like another cry to do away with the FRBM cap and have sarkar print banknotes (technically RBI will release INR into the system by buying up govt bonds). Not good, IMO.
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Got this in email...
The Azhar Syndrome
The Occasional that talks sense... most of the time
Sometimes we get what we wish for, and then we get the rest of our lives to repent. This is precisely what has happened to India. This country has craved a bull market since the day a few Gujus got together and formed the Bombay Stock Exchange under a tree (actually, that’s probably a charitable description. More likely, they formed it in a slum). Since then, this country has lived on in the hope that it will get a secular bull market, akin to what the US got between 1982 and 2000. And intermittently, it did get bull markets…short, sharp ones, that enriched no one but the brokers. But nothing ever got even close to the US bull market. All of us sell-side low lives sold the mythical India story to dumb foreigners through the ‘90s, gobbled up their dollars at Rs.31.37/$, got them to buy loads of rubbish that miraculously turned more illiquid than molasses come a mini-bear market so that the foreigners could never take back the dollars they had brought in. But the broad bull market never came. Then came the 2003-2007 bull run. And that ruined the country. This bull market inflated dumb promoters to God-like status. It made mediocre fund managers become stars. It made below-mediocre sell-siders become ace stock-identifiers. It made the fiscal deficit nearly go away, however illusorily. It made even lowly back office clerks become Bloomberg operators at JP Morgan’s outsourcing units, getting in a month what they were getting in a year, so tight was the market for Bloomberg operators. MBA graduates joined their first jobs, with the laser-like clarity that the first task they needed to get accomplished, was to shoot off their resumes to all the other wannabe securities firms planning IPOs. IIM graduates shamelessly played one company off another to get $250 k joining packages from Lehman and like firms. The MBA institutes dutifully instilled the virtues of greed and avarice in their wards. Not that they needed to do much, for their wards had been coached into these virtues from childhood by their middle-class parents from Phagwara, who had never driven anything better than a beat up Ambassador. “Puttar, jitney paise mile, kam hai. Yaad rakhna, tere baap ne bahut mehnat karke tujhe padhaya. Ab, jaakar phatte chak de”: would be the mom’s sage advice (Son, money is everything. Remember, your father worked really hard to put you through MBA. Now, go and grab the maximum you can get”). With such solid middle class values deeply ingrained, young MBA kids ran amuck. And this led to the crazy spectacle of the recruiter actually being a person who was getting less money than the recruitee. There was simply no fairness in the world back then. But fairness is back. IIM graduates are being hired in dozens by state-owned Union Bank of India. Serves the losers right. One only hopes they don’t turn Union Bank into Lehman.

In the bull market, promoters dreamt up grandiose businesses. Did silly acquisitions. Bid for nonsensical projects. And then went and poached “talent” from competitors at salaries that made Wall Street compensation look distinctly Cleveland-ish. It was crazy, and just plain out of control. All that is over, and isn’t coming back for a while to come. Thank God for that. But it is hurting: the fact that one year you were in the Forbes 400 Richest List, and now, you will more likely make the List of 400 Most Indebted Promoters. As Darryl Hannah told Charlie Sheen in Wall Street “Bud, one day you’ll realize that it’s a whole lot worse to make money and then lose it all, than never having made it at all.” This line sums up India’s plight. If the bull market hadn’t happened, the Tatas wouldn’t have had Jaguar and Corus. The Ambanis wouldn’t have had organised retail or nation-wide broking. GMR, GVK wouldn’t have got the airports. The brokers would never have listed. The real estate companies would have never accumulated land banks in the Andaman & Nicobar Islands or some such God-forsaken place. Subhiksha would have never got Rs.750 crs of debt (who are the dumb bankers who gave this kind of money to a cash negative retailer with no hard assets?) The peons wouldn’t have become Bloomberg operators, and then gotten laid off. The MBA kids would have never joined Lehman. Low intelligence, high momentum hedge fund managers wouldn’t have got any assets worthy of mention. Vijay Mallya wouldn’t have got his airline (now that would have been a shame, for Kingfisher First is far and away the best Business/First Class in the world). And now that the high watermark of life has been set, almost anything else seems a huge failure now. A guy drawing $250k now gets an offer of $100k, heads out to commit suicide. In 2002, he would have been spraying Veuve-Clicquot on Marine Drive. This is precisely what The Azhar Syndrome is all about. Azhar is the kid from the slums in Slumdog Millionaire. He flew to LA for the Oscars, slept on clean sheets in an air-conditioned hotel room, for the first time (and possibly the last time)…came to his Bombay slum home…and moaned to the press “It is so hot here, and the mosquitoes…I can’t sleep”. He is finished. A few nights in a clean hotel room, and the guy can’t adjust back to the reality of his slum existence. And before LA happened, he was happily rolling in the mud all day, and sleeping soundly with mosquitoes and all, in precisely the same slum. Azhar enjoyed a 5 day bull market. And his life is ruined forever. India enjoyed a 5-year bull market. And a whole generation has been scarred for life. Before the bull market, a stock market that doubled in three years seemed miraculous. An economy that grew 5% seemed fabulous. A market cap that reached a billion dollars in ten years was a gift from God. A salary that rose 9% a year was stuff that dreams were made of. An AUM of $50 mln was enough to get the sell-side to send you the hottest escorts. Naah…we were all so much better off without the bull market. Just as Azhar was so much better without the Oscar trip. We would all have been as happy as pigs rolling in shit. We are all rolling in shit all right. Except that we aren’t happy. Which brings me to this whole Slumdog mania. (I find the name utterly insulting. The book on which it’s based was called ‘Q&A’!). I mean…this guy, Danny Boyle has rubbed the face of this country with…well, you know what. And this country is dancing in the streets, in the aisles, in the shit-pits, in the Parliament, in the election campaigns…The newspapers have been breathless, the radio jockeys have been gushing, some brand consultants have even said that this will boost tourism, just as Lord of the Rings boosted tourism in New Zealand! Danny Boyle is lucky. If he had done an equivalent film about Singapore (on whatever soft underbelly Singapore has), he would have been behind bars, getting caned across his butt with sticks dipped in alcohol. But then…what does one do with this country that loves becoming the laughing stock of the world? Where a Cabinet Minister states that the movie shows how the slums are a beehive of entrepreneurial activity. Unbelievable. Of course, Slumdog was going to win the Oscars. Look, there is a formula that wins Oscars. You crack the formula, you win. Further, a triumphalist film like Lagaan could never have won the Oscars. Everybody knows why. Have I seen Slumdog? No. Why should I pay to watch something I can see for free?
Why are India’s Private Sector Bank Stocks tanking?
ICICI Bank has lost 45% in the past 60 days. Axis Bank is down 43%. HDFC Bank is down nearly 25%. What’s going on here? Well, what’s going on is that the market is getting really nervous about the quality of their loan books. Remember, Indian private sector banks have been on a tear last few years. Great asset growth. Great earnings growth. Precisely the kinds of things that make me lose sleep. I just hate fast growing banks. I operate with the simple-minded belief that any bank that does that comes to grief, sooner or later. Banking is arguably the dumbest business known to mankind, and a fast growing bank is the dumbest beast in the jungle. The only model of banking that makes sense to me is a small, focused, narrow footprint bank, where the CEO knows every borrower, runs a dull, boring business that trades at book value. Any other model will self-destruct at some point. Citigroup exemplifies this self-destruct model, having lived on the edge for over 20 years. It survived its last brush with bankruptcy thanks to Alwadeed, who must surely rank as an even worse investor than what Warren Buffet has lately become. Indian Private Sector Banks have grown on all fronts last five years (the same 5-year syndrome again!). But surely this breakneck growth must have given birth to some warts that will show up when the cycle turns down? For sure. First Global’s Banking Analysts highlighted this risk in a report “Banking: Food for Thought - How serious is the threat to the loan book of Indian private banks? (Sector downgrade)” dated November 28, 2008. The key points that were highlighted in that note (which also downgraded all the major Private Sector Banks like ICICI, Axis and HDFC Bank): “Exposure to real estate alone was 175% of Net Worth for ICICI Bank, 180% for Axis Bank and 88% for HDFC Bank…and this was after the serial fund-raisings by all of them..…plus there was significant exposure to other cyclicals like steel, textiles, et al. Unsecured loans were (and probably still are) are between 112-165% of tangible networth. Total Sensitive Sector exposure + Unsecured lending, of these banks is: 305% of Tangible Net Worth for ICICI Bank; Axis Bank has the same ratio at 316% of Tangible Net Worth; and HDFC Bank, 292% of Tangible Net Worth. Sensitive Sectors are Real Estate and related sectors + Capital Markets”. Mind you, this ratio excludes exposure to other troubled sectors like Gems & Jewellery, Textiles, Steel, etc. The above ratios are the key to understanding why we turned outright bearish on these names a while back. Looking at the above numbers, our take was that there was no way the lofty 2-4x Price/Book of these banks would last. Their book values will take some hits in the coming months, and that is precisely what the market is saying through its price action on these names. So don’t start getting carried away by the usual sell-side rubbish about how attractive these banks are at these P/BVs.
The Other Important thing to remember
When folks start talking about the security of the Indian banking system (and of course, it is fairly secure…so far), and how it weathered the ’98 Asian crisis so well, bear in mind one very important thing: back in ‘90s, there were virtually no Private Sector Banks of any size or consequence around: HDFC Bank was barely 2 years old at the time of the Asian crisis, Axis didn’t exist, ICICI Bank was still a development bank. It is since 2002-03, that Private Sector banking has become the dominant force in Indian Banking, on an incremental basis: their business has grown at CAGR of 34% last five years, vs 25% for the entire Indian Banking industry. And we all know Private Sector Banks take far higher risks than state-owned banks. This is precisely my worry about India’s banking situation: in the ‘90s, the state-owned banks ran relatively conservative banks. In this decade, the risk-meter has swung more to the right, what with the Private Sector Banks’ pressure of quarterly numbers, growth, and the desire to impress the Street. None of which, generally speaking, makes for sound banking practice.

The World According To CMIE
One of the most puzzling phenomena last 12 months has been the venerable Centre for Monitoring Indian Economy (CMIE)’s amazingly bullish forecasts about the Indian economy. Slowdown, what slowdown, has been Mr. Mahesh Vyas’ refrain all this while. India will grow 8.5-9% in FY09. All this talk of a slowdown is plain rubbish. But now, CMIE has outdone even the most Polyanna-ish forecast of Indian corporate profits. It now says that Indian Corporate profits will rise 75% or so in FY10, and margins will double. Talk about CMIE being on steroids or some other substance. I have no doubt whatsoever that CMIE’s Excel sheets have become all corrupted as all the good Excel operators now work as construction crane operators (that became one hot paying job in India, believe it or not), and the formulae being fed in have gotten crazily mixed up. Unfortunately, the only guys believing these forecasts are living in Lutyens’ Delhi, and nowhere else.
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OMG....That is bl00dy scary onlee...from the above post:
First Global’s Banking Analysts highlighted this risk in a report “Banking: Food for Thought - How serious is the threat to the loan book of Indian private banks? (Sector downgrade)” dated November 28, 2008. The key points that were highlighted in that note (which also downgraded all the major Private Sector Banks like ICICI, Axis and HDFC Bank): “Exposure to real estate alone was 175% of Net Worth for ICICI Bank, 180% for Axis Bank and 88% for HDFC Bank…and this was after the serial fund-raisings by all of them..…plus there was significant exposure to other cyclicals like steel, textiles, et al. Unsecured loans were (and probably still are) are between 112-165% of tangible networth. Total Sensitive Sector exposure + Unsecured lending, of these banks is: 305% of Tangible Net Worth for ICICI Bank; Axis Bank has the same ratio at 316% of Tangible Net Worth; and HDFC Bank, 292% of Tangible Net Worth. Sensitive Sectors are Real Estate and related sectors + Capital Markets”.
WTF.

And we've had folks berate YV Reddy for slowing down growth with his excess caution.... :roll:
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indians selling gold is bad news. india has the worlds second largest accumulation of gold (including private holdings). this is the envy of the world from roman times. indian gold coffers were successfully emptied once by the western world during the british rule. they might try to do it again this time as well before moving to a gold standard. the western world will not move to a gold standard if india has so much gold.
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I don't think monetization of debt amounts to wanting to change FRBM limits. What it implies is changing the means by which GoI obtains the funds to cover its deficit. Rather than market borrowings (loans from banks), it sells bonds to the RBI, which pays GoI with printed money. This means GoI is no longer as much a market borrowing participant, and keeps interest rates down; they would otherwise go up because GoI corners a big share of loan capital from the banking sector, leaving that much less to invest in private ventures. Yes, uncontrolled monetization is inflationary (more printed money), and erodes the currency value.

About the gold selling story, I'm not sure what to make of it, and I'm skeptical of it's veracity. The whole thing has the contours of a manufactured story... Anyone game to 'follow the money' to see where/how it started ? Far too many unanswered questions for the story to stand on its feet alone...
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Ramanagaru,
Vidhyaa Vinaya sampanne Braahmane kavi hasthini - (5-18; Githai) - hence the call for other perspectives also!

Regarding the unloading of gold by Desilog, I do not feel it is necessarily bad because, for the most part the buying of Gold was a hedge against inflation eating away at all other stores of value - Real estate was till recently a hot contender but it has a high threshold for entry and suffers from other worries such as encroachment. I view the recent selling as a vote of confidence in the Rupee.
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http://www.kitco.com/ind/nadler/mar312009B.html

Above article indirectly refers to slumping demand in India. Some reports about the difference between gold prices outside and within desh reaching ~$10/10 gms - meets the threshold for arbitrageurs and has been used for small quantities exported by Jewellers in Delhi according to reports I read on Kitco.

Anytime, people are talking about specific buying binges like Akshaya Thrithiyai, I know the gold bugs are really worried!
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ramana wrote:Whats he saying in plain language?
Ramanagaru, Zimble onree. Create More Wampum!. :mrgreen: It doesn't get more simple than that ?.

The CII / Venu Srinivasan types will love it because businesses can shed their debts /liabilities that way and they hope that with the govt, just like AmirKhan, running the printing presses at hyper speed and doing a "helicopter Ben" and dropping rupee notes on every unwashed Abdul, they will go running to the stores and buy all sorts of stuff, including TVS Mopeds! :| .

Remember my very simple Abdul Lungi and Rs 5 Lakh loan example. Well, substitute Abdul Lungi with CII/ Big Business and you get your answer.

What they want to do is screw every one who saved and invested, by trusting the fair name and promise of the govt to keep currency and inflation stable. Basically massive wealth transfer by another name and here by rank stealing, than anything else.

So all the old folks and others living on fixed income are shafted, along with your retirement savings etc . With CII asking for more Wampum, and the govt borrwing and spending like crazy, (of course everyone will return to "fiscal prudence" in the medium term :rotfl: , after everyone is dead and a Weimar republic like scence of 1 Chappati costing 1000000000000000 Rs, then yeah, things will be fine when you turn "prudent") .
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But doesnt that mean the CII interests are in deep yogurt to ask for such measures? :(
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It is hardly a one way story where the old approach is good and new one is bad. The old approach of borrowings from the banking sector means the private sector didn't have easy access to capital, which in turn stunted economic expansion, while government guaranteed fixed income plans just added to future fiscal liabilities in turn. I don't see much of a positive in that - it seems to inhibit the efficient utilization of capital by the private sector more than the monetization of debt would do. Both approaches lead to printing money and erosion of currency value anyway - for decades we had chronic inflationary conditions; the current <10% inflation is actually a very recent phenomenon, due to the fiscal responsibility act; it used to average significantly higher in the past. Monetization might increase the currency printing pressure from GoI, but it will also ease the problem of GoI crowding out the private sector from obtaining loans from financial entities. While not a perfect solution, I think it would be better than the current mechanism. If GoI attempts to issue more and more debt, the market will respond by pushing its yields higher.
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Ah, but how about the good old suggestion of govt getting out of business and relinquishing first claim on bank deposits via CRR and Deposits with RBI, so that they dont crowd out the private sector and rates fall ?. Isnt that a far better thing to do than print Wampum?

I have always been saying this. The ill advised spending program with high deficits have seriously limited maneuver room and we have none in the fiscal space. Lets face it. Basically what it means is that give the size of our economy, such spending is not sustainable. Well, Chidambaram gambled that the economy will grow and the math will work. Sorry, the global crisis put paid to that and his luck ran out. :|
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Relinquishing control over the SLR is just the process of monetization viewed another way. You don't really expect the GoI to play fair in the market do you ? It will either be some form of SLR, or monetization with GoI trying to print more money. I wouldn't be surprised if, when their bond yields rise in the market, GoI responds by requiring an arbitrary gilt holding requirement, i.e SLR by other means :) Better than the mix of monetization and market borrowings that are currently used - GoI borrows from banks, then issues bonds to pay for its spending, which among others things, includes the interest on the loans it took from the banks, i.e. borrowing to pay for borrowed money. So I support just monetization as a better option because it's a bit more transparent, IMHO.
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Capital a/c in red after 10 years.

With more debit entries than credits crowding the external payments ledger, the third quarter of 2008-09 saw the current account deficit soar to $14,644 million from $4,531 million a year ago.

The current account thus plunged deeper into the red for the first nine months of the fiscal as well - at $36,469 million as compared with $15,508 million during the comparable period of 2007-08.

With the capital account balance too turning negative during the third quarter - for the first time since the first quarter of 1998-99 - there was a considerable deterioration in the overall balance.

It transited from a surplus of $26,738 million during October -December 2007 to a deficit of $17,881 million in the latest three-month period. This reflects the extent of the erosion in reserves during this period.

For the first nine months too, due to the current account deficit being markedly higher than the net capital flow, the cumulative picture was far from reassuring at (-) $20,380 million in contrast to net accretion of $67,174 million to the foreign exchange reserves during the same months of the earlier year.

According to the Reserve Bank of India, the third quarter of 2008-09 was notable in several respects - negative growth in exports, a deceleration in imports, subdued trend in private transfers, a moderate pick-up in software exports despite an adverse global environment, and the highest ever quarterly current account deficit since 1990, which coupled with the net outflow under the capital account, climaxing in a sharp drawdown of reserves.

Dissecting the BoP data, it is clear that the emerging trends do not make a happy reading. The trade gap is widening, and rather sharply, while invisibles earnings are subdued. In the event, the extent of the trade deficit that could be financed by the invisibles account has fallen sharply - to 59.7% in the third quarter from 82.6% a year ago, and to 65.4% during the April-December 2008 period from 77.6%.

This has been compounded by the slowdown in capital flows, so that the number of months of imports that can be financed by the foreign exchange reserves has also come down to below 10 months now from the preceding year's level of over 14 months.
Net capital flows during the first nine months of 2008-09 were a mere $15.3 billion as against $82 billion in the previous year while there was net outflow of $3.6 billion during the latest quarter.

There are some bright spots too. Despite adverse conditions, software exports are on a rising trajectory while private transfers have been a source of strength to the balance of payments.

With the banking woes abroad and a higher interest rate at home, NRI deposits are flowing in, especially in recent months, although for the nine month period, both inflows and outflows were sizable. In regard to foreign investment, the trend is heartening in so far as foreign direct investment is concerned both in terms of inward flow and outward flow.
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They are now calculating in $ instead of Rupees?
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External account is typically reported in $, though also secondarily in Rupees. Internal economic data (e.g. GDP) is always reported in Rupees.
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India's Exports Drop Most Since 1995: Jobs, External Deficit, Rupee at Risk?
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* Slowing export demand: Exports plunged by 21.7% y/y to US$ 11.9 billion in Feb 2009 after declining sharply by 15.9% y/y in Jan 2009, the fifth straight monthly drop (Dec 2008: -1.1%, Nov 2008: -9.9%, Oct 2008: -12.1%) and biggest drop since 1995 led by textiles, handicrafts, gems & jewelry, leather, plastics, metals and rice amid U.S. and EU recession. In Q3 2008, export growth turn negative for the first time since 2001-02
* Government's outlook for 2009: Government cut its targeted exports in FY2008 (from April 2008 to March 2009) by 12.5% to US$ 175 billion, and expects that exports would be stabilize from April 2009 and this would slow down pace of job losses in export-oriented units. Government estimate that exports will grow by 0% in 2009-10
* Imports continued to decrease by 23.3% y/y in February 2009 (total: US$ 16.8billion) after contracting 18.2% y/y in January 2009. Import growth was a single digit in Q3 2008 on balance of Payment(BoP) basis; Oil imports went down by 47.5%, same as in January 2009 and Non-oil imports fell 10.2% to US$ 12.7 billion (January 2009: -0.5%)
* Trade Balance: Slowing imports in excess of exports narrowed trade deficits to US$ 4.9 billion in February 2009 compared to US$6.71 billion in February in 2008. But trade deficits for April 2008 to February was US$115 billion which was higher than US$ 99.1 billion from April 2008 to Jan 2009. Despite of high growth of Net Invisible (+25.5%) in Q3 2008 compared to Q2 2008, current account deficit increased in Q4 2008 to US$ 14.64 billion, the highest quarterly deficit since 1990, from US$12.8 billion in Q3 2008. Declining exports and rising trade and current a/c deficits will exacerbate the downward pressure on rupee in 2009
* Shipments to OECD include U.S. and Europe, decreased to 37.5% of total exports in the six months to September 2008 from 40.7% a year earlier. Exports to recent growth markets like EU, Asia is slowing significantly. US and EU account for 10% and 21% of exports respectively. Asia account for 30% of exports. contribution of merchandise exports to GDP has risen from about 10% of GDP in 2002-03 to 17% by 2007-08 (much higher if IT exports are included)
* Credit crunch: Small and Medium Enterprises(SMEs) and export firms face credit crunch, high short-term rates and difficultly in accessing trade finance
* IT Service exports Earnings of tech companies hit and firms face cancellation/delay of projects as banks in the West face losses and slow their IT spending; 2008 export growth rate target lowered from 30% to 21-24%. IT exports account for 4.5% of GDP; 60% IT/ITES exports are to U.S.; 60% of these firms work for big banks like Goldman, WaMu, Citi, BoA, Morgan Stanley, Lehman, etc; Outsourcing firms derive 40% of their revenues from global financial sector (BFSI) and 50% of it from U.S.; IT exports to U.K., EU which have been growing strongly in recent years will also be hit. Nasscom: Export revenues forecast revised down to 17% generating $47bn in revenues in the year ending March 2009.
* Job losses: 50% of exports are from labor-intensive SMEs. Lay-offs have begun in textiles, gems and jewelery, handicrafts, and low-end engineering product. People employed in IT firms also witnessing hiring freeze and slower income growth; 109,000 job losses in 402 factories between August 2008 to January 2009
* Govt measures: The 1st and 2nd fiscal stimulus packages aimed to ease credit access for exporters and contain impact on SMEs and labor-intensive exports firms; textile, leather and jewelry exporters to get 2% export credit; govt will refund sales tax (Rp 11bilion) and eliminate duties for exporters. In Feb 2009, RBI (central bank) raised the ceiling rate on export credit in foreign currency and also the interest rate cap on lines of credit with overseas banks. But govt measures will be insufficient to offset the large impact of liquidity crunch through 2009
* Central bank measures: RBI is easing capital inflows to help finance the external deficits. In Nov 2008, RBI doubled the funds it makes available for banks to refinance export credit at favorable interest rates to US$ 4.5billion; extended export credit repayment window for exporters to 9 months from 6 months. Capital outflows are putting downward pressure on the rupee and even the central bank might maintain a depreciation bias in 2009 to support exports
* Upside: While exports are expected to contract through most of 2009, slowing consumer spending and industrial activity along with easing oil and commodity prices will help reduce imports thus containing risks to the trade deficit
* Moody's: India exports are expected to be sluggish in 2009; weakening exchange rate of rupee would not support to stimulate export sales as main reason for slump is declining global demand
* Kotak: In spite of export contraction, lower oil and non-oil imports will lead to a current account surplus by January 2009 to March 2010 so that in spite of low capital inflows, the pressure on Balance of Payment(BOP) may be contained
Indian Economy in a Deflationary Mode: Will the Central Bank Continue to Cut Rates?
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* Easing Inflation: Wholesale Price Index (WPI) rose 0.31% in the week ending Mach 21 2009 higher than 0.27% (lowest in 33 years) in the week ending March 14 2009. 2008's base effects, slowing food and fuel prices (fuel price cut in December 2008), commodities, power due to global recession and domestic demand slowdown led the fall in the WPI. But Consumer Price Index (CPI) hasn't eased much compared to WPI (8-11% in mid-March 2009).
* Inflation outlook: While WPI might turn negative by March-end/April on easing supply-side factors, CPI might remain high until late-2009 and might slow only as demand eases. This might constrain rate cuts by RBI. Further cut in fuel prices expected which along with recent cuts in excise and service taxes will drive down inflation further. Credit growth has slowed to 19.6% y/y by mid-Jan 2009. Good agriculture harvest also a positive. Deflationary pressures might continue until the end of 2009
* Mar 4: RBI cut interest rate to 5% from 5.5% (5th time since Oct 2008); reduced reverse repurchase rate to 3.5% from 4% as growth slowed to 5.3% in Q4 2008 along with contracting exports, slowing investment and bank lending. Rate cuts are aimed to provide domestic and FX liquidity, improve credit growth
* Jan 2009: Cash Reserve Ratio(CRR) (5%) unchanged after cutting rates aggressively since late-2008. But RBI extended the special refinance facility and short-term repo facility for banks to meet the funding requirements of MFs, NBFCs and HFCs up to Sep 2009
* Central Bank: "While financial markets continue to function in an orderly manner, India’s growth trajectory has been impacted both by global financial crisis and downturn much deeper and wider than anticipated with declining WPI. Banks should monitor loan portfolio to prevent asset impairment, price risk appropriately but continue to lend to creditworthy enterprises"
* Room to cut rates further since growth forecasts will be revised down amid contracting exports and industrial production (real estate, construction, auto, consumer durables) and slowing capital expenditure and consumer spending, cooling labor market and wage pressures. Aggressive monetary stimulus needs to complement the fiscal stimulus (whose size is constrained by fiscal deficit). Inflation is also trending down sharply giving room for more rate cuts to prevent negative real rates. In spite of liquidity injections, global credit crunch, capital outflows and central bank's foreign exchange interventions are keeping liquidity tight. This is affecting private sector's access to credit as bank lending rates haven't eased much and lending standards to firms and consumers have become stringent. Household and firms' bank Non Performing Assets (NPAs) are rising
* Risks of easing rates: Will exacerbate capital outflows and rupee decline. interbank rates have eased since Q4-08; Will not be sufficient to offset the pull back in private domestic demand in 2009. Banks are also reluctant to cut rates too low, and lend to risky sectors like auto, real estate and are instead preferring to park funds in govt bonds. Aggressive rate cuts, liquidity injection and currency depreciation poses inflation risk during recovery in an economy with structurally strong domestic demand
* Since Oct 2008's liquidity squeeze, spike in overnight call and inter-bank rates and slowing domestic demand, RBI has aggressively cut rates (first time in over 4 years), reducing the amount banks are required to invest in govt bonds to 24% from 25%, easing credit cost and conditions for restructuring loans directed towards small and medium enterprises (SMEs), corporate sector and housing sector, injecting liquidity into banking system, buying back govt bonds, improving credit access to banks, investors, Mutual Funds, easing capital inflows, FX intervention by RBI to contain rupee slide
* Citi: further interest rate cut or reductions in CRR in April 2009 is expected due to given high fiscal deficits, limited fiscal space, weak macro data, and lowering inflation rate
* EIU: deflationary impact of global recession and easing commodity prices will persist till 2009-end; central bank is expected to cut interest rate further in H1 2009
* Kotak: Near-zero WPI may not lead RBI to cut rates since CPI is still high. But quantitative easing by the Fed may lead RBI to step up its open market purchases against large fiscal borrowings but it will still resist private placement of government debt on its balance sheet
* Goldman Sachs (not online): WPI to enter a period of deflation from April until end-2009 due continuing demand destruction and large base effects from 2008. Central bank could cut cash reserve ration for banks by mid-2009 to provide liquidity but might not cut interest rate further until end of general elections
* Nomura (not Online): Central Bank would cut interest rates in April and June due to soft transmission of stimulus to economy
* DBS: Deterioration in growth is main reason of rate cut; further rate cut expected by April 2009
* Morgan Stanley: RBI's easing will reduce systemic risks in banking system but won't renew business and consumer sentiment in near-term
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When are our GDP figures for the fiscal yr. 20008-09 released?
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Najunamar wrote:Do what GOTUS is doing - print more money and buy up bonds to reduce the yield. Is that plain english enough? Guru log, am I correct in my translation to plainspeak?
Guru log, With the current deflationary trends, RB can print all the money it wants and lend to the Govt and still not impact anything? I mean there wont be any inflationary pressure right? Also will printing the extra cash downgrade our credit rating?
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India ready with $20 bn for IMF, not for stimulus
New Delhi: India is willing to chip in with $20 billion or roughly about Rs 100,000 crore over the next two years when its quota of shares in multilateral financial institutions including the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank go up.

But, unlike China, it is quite clear it would not commit any additional resources on its part towards the overall fiscal stimulus of $1.1 trillion that the Group of 20 leaders agreed to in London.

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Suraj and Vina whats the meaning of that $20B for IMF but not for stimulus?
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Ramana garu. In plain Inglees, it translates into, "We want increased voting power in the IMF and for that we will increase our capital contribution" . However, thanks , but no thanks, we will not have any money to spare in bailing out the Eastern Euros, Africans, Latin Aericans Ithyadi.
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India certainly needs and deserves a greater vote/say at the IMF.

We want a seat at the table. Too bad we're only seeking it now, 50 years after that fool Nehru turned down the offer of Taiwan's seat on the UNSC. Talk about being slow on the uptake. :roll:
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If the economy does well, the ruling party can say India shining
If the economy is not doing well and there's deflation, the party can brag how things became affordable for aam-aadmi

Either way the ruling party has something to brag about.
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Nihat wrote:When are our GDP figures for the fiscal yr. 20008-09 released?
May 29 2009, according to CSO's release calendar. They always follow a 2 month lag in reporting quarterly GDP data. 4th quarter (Jan-Mar) data is also accompanied by aggregate fiscal year data.

Overall, the CSO makes three GDP reports for each fiscal year:
* The preliminary estimate in mid February just prior to the release of the Budget, before the conclusion of the fiscal year. For this year, they estimated 7.0% GDP growth.
* The first official release in end-May, after the conclusion of the fiscal year.
* The final revised data in December, 6 months after the conclusion of the fiscal year, which typically revises up the GDP data upward by about half a percent to reflect all additional statistics missing in the first official release.
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http://mangalorean.com/news.php?newstyp ... tid=119644

BJP Leader and Eminent Journalist Arun Shourie today accused Prime Minister Manmohan Singh of trying to take 'false' credit for G-20 declarations in respect of transparency in dealing with tax evaders.

Speaking to reporters here, he said the Prime Minister had claimed through the media the credit for transparency on tax evaders, while he conveniently chose to ignore BJP Leader L K Advani's letter in bringing to book those who had stashed their ill-gotten wealth in tax havens. "In the recently concluded G-20 summit, through media, the Prime Minister tried to get the credit of G-20 Declaration on more transparency on tax evaders. However, this was actually mooted by US President Barak Obama," he claimed.

Mr Shourie lamented that both the Prime Minister and Former Finance Minister P Chidambaram had little concern for bringing black money belonging to politicians and other tax evaders deposited in foreign banks back into the country.

"While the European countries could pressurise such banks to change their policies to make public the names of the account holders of the bank, our government has not benn able to take any such step," he alleged.

The Lok Sabha Elections 2009 was one of the most crucial elections in the country as the country was at the cross roads following the security and economic conditions of the world and their implications and effects on India, and that was one of the most important reasons for electing a responsible government said Rajya Sabha member and former journalist Arun Shourie.

Addressing the reporters on the sidelines of a function here today Mr. Shourie stated that the country was forced to take suggestions from U.S and Multi National Companies (MNCs).

These kind of situation arises since last five years and our economy was on the Concern Edge and the economic reforms initiated during the NDA regime was on the reversal momentum during the Congress-led UPA Government.

There was a gross mismanagements of monetary and fiscal systems during UPA regime, he alleged. There was a total stoppage of reforms and countrys economy had drastically crashed down in these days, he said.

The coming election was a crucial election and country hopes for strong committement of National interest, which is dedicated to standards, Shourie opined.

The deficits was 7.7 per cent of GDP during 1986-91 and it is already 11 per cent since five years , he said adding that it may goes upto 13 per cent during the coming years.

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Money 'printed' at Rs 1.5 lakh cr.

Industry captains have pleaded for it and the Reserve Bank of India (RBI) has demurred on grounds of its short- and long-term consequences, but printing money to meet the gargantuan appetite for funds of the Centre was resorted to with a vengeance in the just concluded fiscal.

As of March 27, 2009, monetised deficit of the government was a mammoth Rs 148,526 crore. With four more days to go before the month ended, the final figure for 2008-09, when it comes out, may be different but the magnitude of money created out of thin air is likely to be very, very large.

This is worrying as it means an open sesame to inflation, after a lag. The common man has to brace for tough times on the price front.

So, in addition to massive floatation of market loans, running down of its cash balances with the RBI and availing of the ways & means advances facility, security presses also worked at frenzied pace to print currency notes to get around the fiscal logjam the Centre found itself in.

Whatever the reservations of the central bank on this score, fiscal compulsions seem to have triumphed over economic logic.

The revised estimate of the fiscal deficit for that year was Rs 326,515 crore. This means that, around 45% of this receipts-expenditure mismatch has been met via newly printed notes.

This quickfix solution to our fiscal ills has many takers, given the crowding out effect of large-scale government borrowings from the market on interest rates and the need to stimulate investment in the economy but it also entails a cost in the form of resurgent inflation -- which is a kind of tax with the poor taking the brunt.

It is not a painless remedy but given the pressure on spending due to farm loan waiver, implementation of the Pay Commission's recommendations, National Rural Employment Guarantee and bloated subsidies, not to mention the tax giveaways and boost to capital spending, as a part of the budgetary stimulus package, recourse to RBI credit was inevitable.

But what is surprising is the extent of monetisation, at close to Rs 150,000 crore in addition to market borrowing which too has been jacked up considerably last year -- from the budgeted Rs 100,571 crore to the revised figure of Rs 261,972 crore in net terms -- and drawdown of cash balance from the original amount of Rs 7,224 crore to the now estimated Rs 29,984 crore as well as tapping the ways and means advances to the tune of Rs 22,150 crore as of end-February 2009.

Shocking though the extent of monetised deficit may seem, the practice of printing money to meet the deficit has been a fixed feature of our budget since the mid-fifties.

The Fiscal Responsibility and Budget Management Act, 2003 ended the practice of RBI buying government securities from the primary market and also of the Centre directly borrowing from the central bank except via Ways and Means Advances to meet temporary cash needs.

To its credit and despite pressures on the fisc, the Centre complied with the FRBM Act and, with the exception of 2005-06, had a surplus with the RBI.

In 2007-08, this surplus was as high as Rs 116,772 crore. But 2008-09, fiscal discipline went overboard and as the budgetary projections went haywire and economic woes multiplied, the government was forced to rewrite the budgetary arithmetic.
But, sad to note, even the revised data presented as part of the vote-on-account budget for 2009-10, do not seem to be reliable.

The revised revenue deficit for 2008-09 was Rs 241,273 crore but as of February 2009, this deficit has been surpassed to reach a level of Rs 244,513 crore.So, in all probability by the end of that fiscal year, revenue deficit may be way above the revised estimate.

In the case of the gross fiscal deficit, by the end of the April 2008 --- February 2009 period, the figure has approximated to Rs 307,133 crore or 94% of the entire year's projected Rs 326,515 crore.

Similarly, in regard to drawdown of cash balance, the actual as of February was Rs 60,598 crore, while the revised estimate for the entire 2008-09 was much smaller at Rs 29,984 crore.
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