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Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 06 Jun 2010 13:34
by Altair
Rangudu wrote: The whole Headley saga reeks of malafide intentions by Unkil. If it is matter of protecting DEA sources, that could have been arranged as part of dealings between friendly powers. However, Unkil also wants to protect TSPA officers and thus the whole song and dance.
We, Indians DO NOT have anything of significant or equal value in exchange for Headley's cooperation. Unless GOI has something of vital value for Unkil,this saga will continue like some TV soap opera. He soon will go into witness protection and India will soon must forget everything about him. Its exactly how it is going to end.

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 06 Jun 2010 15:16
by Raja Ram
Rangudu,
Correct assessment, the USG has a lot to hide, Headley was their man before he became double and then triple. There are more such Headleys in India. Unfettered access can provide some leads to Indians. More importantly there is the need to protect Paki Khakis, it is part of the deal to get them to commit to US plans in AfPak.

India and Indian lives are expedient for the USG. Quite understandable. I only wish and hope that at least for the GOI, India and Indian lives are valuable. That is not asking for much, just expecting the GOI to do its natural and rightful duty. Hope this access will at least provide a straw for GOI to get to the bottom of things to the best of their ability.

Let us see. The unfloding events will teach us at its hour.

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 06 Jun 2010 16:19
by JE Menon
>>Extradition or not, US 5th amendment or not, simple logic dictates that if the US wanted to give us access, we would have had it months ago... The whole Headley saga reeks of malafide intentions by Unkil.

Indeed. This is as clear an indication as any that Uncle wants to hold certain cards against India close to its chest. Otherwise, there are enough pliable judges in the US ...

The US is currently protecting a man who functioned as one of the masterminds of a terror attack in India which killed about 170 people. They are doing it knowingly and callously, hiding behind selective letters of the law. We should never forget this in our dealings with the Americans.

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 06 Jun 2010 17:07
by manjgu
i think he is taking protection of 5th amendment... he can remain silent... so as not to incriminate oneself...

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 06 Jun 2010 17:28
by Sen_K

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 06 Jun 2010 17:51
by SSridhar
How come he is not invoking 5th Amendment when the Americans questioned him ? Besides, did not the plea bargain require his cooperation with Indian investigators also ? Would not the refusal to answer Indian investigators amount to annulling the plea bargain ?

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 06 Jun 2010 22:12
by ramana
Yes terms of plea bargain were to cooperate with Indians. One can pull up the pdf.

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 07 Jun 2010 10:24
by ajit_tr
The questioning of American jihadi David Coleman Headley by Indian sleuths in Chicago is unlikely to throw up fresh leads but officials here rejected reports that the terrorist could invoke ‘Fifth Amendment’ to refuse answering questions.

‘Fifth Amendment’ provides rights to a person under US law which guarantees that no one can be forced to be witness against himself/herself in a criminal case. Officials said the Lashkar jihadi cannot invoke this right in the 12 cases, including 26/11 terror attack, for which he has pleaded guilty.

Citing Waiver of Rights clause of the plea agreement between Headley and the US government, an official said, “He has surrendered certain rights, including the one under Fifth Amendment. The waivers are clearly mentioned in the agreement.”

Besides ‘trial rights’ including the privilege against self-incrimination, Headley — originally known as Daood Gilani — has also surrendered his rights of appeal and collateral.

The ‘Waiver of Rights’ section of the plea agreement gives details of these rights, saying, “Defendant (Headley) understands that by pleading guilty he is waiving all the rights set forth in the prior paragraphs. Defendant’s attorneys have explained those rights to him, and the consequences of his waiver of those rights.”

Officials said they had thoroughly examined the ‘plea agreement’ document before sending the NIA team to Chicago. However, they accepted that Headley could invoke ‘Fifth Amendment’ in cases which were not related to those 12 counts — meaning it would be impossible for Indian sleuths to extract anything from him beyond 26/11.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Indi ... 018223.cms

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 07 Jun 2010 14:04
by Tanaji
Headly and the US making a ch*tiya of Indian agencies as usual

http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/jun/ ... eadley.htm
The team has managed to interrogate Headley for several hours, but not a single fresh lead has cropped up as yet. On one hand, Headley cites the law, and on the other, he speaks just what he had confessed at the plea bargain in March 2010.
It has been a bad start for the Indian team and they are getting stuck in legalities. Headley had quoted the Fifth Amendment of the American justice system, which states that a person who has opted for a plea bargain cannot be forced to implicate himself during interrogation.

While the Indian team has been insisting that it would not apply to Headley, he continues to insist during interrogation that it does.
All this was predicted months in advance of course. But this interrogation is a drama anyway, one being played out to show that the US "co-operated". The US of course will claim innocence and say "what to do, constitutional rights onlee"

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 07 Jun 2010 22:01
by ramana
The fact that he is invoking the Fifth Amendment means he is hiding stuff about the subject of the plea bargain itself. US is being too clever by half and is losing its credibility.

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 07 Jun 2010 22:09
by Rangudu
ramana

Exactly! The only reason you invoke the 5th in the US is to avoid incriminating yourself in a violation of US criminal laws. Therefore he has clearly not been charged with all the US charges he should have been charged with.

For example - things like treason, i.e. betraying US secrets to a foreign agency etc.

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 07 Jun 2010 22:22
by ramana
What are the MUTU folks chattering about the DCH case?

R-Man wait and see how bad it will get. Its becoming clearer that for sake of expediency massa charged him with some notional crimes to get him off the availability roster and claimed plea baragain etc to deny him access. unfortunately that section of massa didnt contact the others who are in charge of treaties etc. Hence the stuff is coming out. In end it will show massa pays lip service to law which is the foundation of massa state. And this is further erosion of primacy.

Aside: Was watching Ramanand Sagar's Ramayana "Ashoka Vana" episode. The prince Aksh Kumar cites law and order and accuses Hanuman of theft for eating fruits in the royal garden. Hanuman says that in a kingdom ruled by a thief (Ravan who stole another man's wife, Sita) he thinks its moot to cite laws about theft!

Was thinking of DCH episode just then!

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 07 Jun 2010 22:47
by Anujan
Ramana-ji

There seems to be some serious disconnect in the DCH case between different levels of massa. Ombaba is the top-level manager who says "okay give him access" and delegates it down. The mid and bottom levels know how messy it can get and are stalling.

The SDREs should do some serious game theory thinking. There are 4 aspects

1. Make sure DCH is punished. This should be lowest on SDRE priority and a point that SDREs should be willing to compromise on - provided there is some understanding that even if he is left free, he is monitored to make sure he doesnt find his inner pakistaniyat again.
2. Make sure DCH sings everything about his Paki handlers, Paki sleeper cells in India, Paki training and finance routes outside India, the Karachi project*, Indians (of all levels) who cooperate with Pakis (if any). This is a point that SDREs should not compromise at all. Not even give an inch.
3. Finding out how much the CIA knew, how much DCH in his effort to penetrate the plot helped the plot. Semi compromise. It is enough if our official agencies & policy makers knew this and not leak it to mango SDREs
4. CIA assets in India that DCH used/might have misled to do the Paki plot. SDREs should be willing to compromise on this. But make sure we conduct an internal investigation so that everybody who DCH even f*rted in the general direction is thoroughly probed.

If (2) and (3) are not granted in full measure, we should pull out all stops in extraditing DCH to get (1),(2),(3) and (4). Some might argue that we are entitled to (1),(2),(3) and (4). But note that there are 2 players in the game and future games might also be played.

*I am very very very concerned about whatever I hear about "Karachi project". It seems that the Pakis have realized that their scheme of sending in trained Pakis into India is not sustainable. Instead, they want to radicalize Indian youth, train leadership, establish logistics and contacts so that they can indigenize (from an Indian sense) terror export to India. They want to set up an "India terror group". So we find that every Paki politician starts screaming about "local help", Whatever Paki calls up to take responsibility keeps yelling "we are Indians", recruitment and training of Indians seems to be on the rise. This has two implications to India -- one: domestic terror attacks, two: Indians becoming Paki in other countries. Both of which are serious. This plot should be taken seriously and defeated.

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 07 Jun 2010 22:56
by ramana
About 4. I am very curious about how Rahul Bhat of Bollywood was contacted and cultivated. Its very coincidental that his father is a known Resident Non-Indian (RNI) who gets honored for that in international circles. Someone used that RNIness to facilitate DCH's recce mission.

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 08 Jun 2010 03:59
by CRamS
ramana wrote:The fact that he is invoking the Fifth Amendment means he is hiding stuff about the subject of the plea bargain itself. US is being too clever by half and is losing its credibility.
In whose eyes? And does loosing credibility matter to US?

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 08 Jun 2010 04:00
by CRamS
On access to DCH, has TSP said me too yet?

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 08 Jun 2010 09:26
by Gagan
Headley gives details of Pak handlers
...

Lashkar-e-Toiba operative and 26/11 attack accused David Coleman Headley has told his Indian interrogators about his handlers, including terror suspects Sajjid Mir, Syed Abdur Rehman Syed, intelligence agents Major Iqbal and Major Sameer Ali.

He has also talked about the involvement of Mohammed Illyas Kashmiri in planning the Mumbai attacks and the larger Lashkar aim to target India.

Top government sources said Headley has given National Investigation Agency (NIA) interrogators, led by 1985-batch Kerala cadre IG-rank officer Lokanath Behera, considerable insight...

Headley shared details after he was assured that his revelations would not be used against him. "Contrary to reports, Headley has been cooperating with Indian investigators and is coming out with detailed insights into the terror network in Pakistan," said a senior official.

Sources said Headley was questioned in the presence of FBI agents and his lawyers by three NIA investigators and a lawyer on June 1 and 2 in Chicago. After setting the ground rules, the Indian team was left alone from June 3. The team has got considerable information from Headley about his visits to India during 2006-2009 and his surveillance of targets, including those attacked during 26/11 and the Chabad houses.

The Indian team plans to complete his questioning on June 9 and return to New Delhi after briefing Indian Ambassador to US Meera Shanker. Sources said Headley has been questioned about the roles of LeT founder Hafiz Saeed, Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi, Yusuf Muzammil and other operational commanders.

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 08 Jun 2010 11:45
by Sanku
How will NIA trust anything that comes from this source? It may be a prepared story on some ones behest?

Everything will have to be independently verified too I guess.

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 08 Jun 2010 15:28
by SSridhar
Sanku, of course we cannot believe everything that Headley says. What Indian investigators would be doing is to ask him questions for which the Indian side knows the answers already (but not obtained through the American sources) and correlate the truthfulness of the answers. They can contradict him if he lies and make him (hopefully) speak the truth.

I also believe that in the recent Foreign Secretary level meet in Delhi between India and Pakistan, India handed over the dossier that contained enough details about the PA officers who were involved in 26/11. The Headley questioning will corroborate that and form a solid basis to demand action from Pakistan. Whether Pakistan will act or whether their courts will accept Indian information or whether Pakistan will independently pursue investigation are all moot points though. Going by history, Pakistan will do nothing.

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 08 Jun 2010 19:48
by chaanakya
Rahul Bhatt remembers Headley
MUMBAI: "Once the bombing of Islamabad's Marriot Hotel came up in our discussion and he remarked that such attacks would come to India too," said gym trainer Rahul Bhatt about David Headley who is being interrogated in the US by India's National Investigating Agency (NIA) about his role in 26/11.

Two months after the Marriot blast, caused by a suicide bomber who had driven a bomb-laden truck into the hotel, came 26/11, for which Headley has confessed to gathering information.

"With us though, he was a friend. Even looking back now, we can say that he never used us in any way," said Bhatt and his friend Vilas Warak, also a gym trainer. "He never asked to be taken any place or to be introduced to anyone. Once he wanted us to accompany him to Pune for a trip to Osho Ashram but Vilas woke up late that Sunday so Headley went there on his own," said Bhatt.

"A month after 26/11, Headley called up from abroad and enquired about our well-being and asked whether all our relatives were safe. 'You should kick the asses of those who did this', he said," remembers Bhatt.

"We met occasionally on Sundays and went out for dinner or a movie," said Warak. "Some Marathi newspapers said we went to dance bars which is ridiculous because all of us are teetotalers," said Warak. In fact, Bhatt and Warak spoke to this correspondent on Friday at a Bandra cafe where they spent several evenings with Headley. Most of the trio's visits were to restaurants and movie halls in the Western suburbs, except for one when they had lunch at the Sea Lounge at Taj Mahal hotel, the prime target of 26/11.

Warak first interacted Headley at the upmarket Moksh gym at Breach Candy when he noticed him doing a particular exercise with the wrong action and corrected him. Headley and Warak hit it off although the only thing common to them was a passion for body-building. Warak even took him to a competition at Shivaji Mandir near Plaza where he (Warak) was crowned Mr Mumbai 2008.

Warak introduced Headley to Bhatt and the three met on weekends. "We loved action movies and even saw the Hollywood spy thriller, 'Body of Lies', which is based on terrorism," said Bhatt.

"One Sunday, I told Headley that we would not be able to meet as it was my birthday and I would be going to Siddhi Vinayak temple. He surprised me by landing up there," said Warak. "He even chatted with a constable guarding the place with a carbine and told him that his gun was an antiquated."

Warak remembered another incident where Headley got into an argument with a mulla and his followers who had come to see a Hollywood movie at Metro. Headley had ticked off the cleric for coming to watch a movie with semi-clad girls.

"People presume that Headley gave me money but that is not true. In fact, he said that he like me because unlike others I did not seek to milk a white man," said Warak.

Although Bhatt, too, was stunned when the truth about Headley came out, he said that Headley treated them like friends. "He was suave and articulate and we called him Steven Seagall as he resembled the American action hero of Indian origin.

"He claimed to have done a stint with the US Rangers, which I suppose is a lie but he confessed that he got into body-building during his stint in jail, which is true," said Bhatt.

Although Bhatt got into a lot of trouble because of Headley, there is no hint of bitterness in his tone as he talked about him. If anything, there is still a sneaking admiration for him.
Why this bhatt fellow is not grilled properly? He seems to be part of DCH

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 09 Jun 2010 16:51
by SSridhar
Headley Cooperating with the Indian Team : US

That comment must come from the Indian team if it has to be credible.

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 09 Jun 2010 17:26
by Sanku
We now have Indian PM speaking on behalf of American president, and Americans speaking on behalf of Indians.

A close partnership indeed.
:D

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 09 Jun 2010 20:43
by chetak
Sanku wrote:How will NIA trust anything that comes from this source? It may be a prepared story on some ones behest?

Everything will have to be independently verified too I guess.

The amrekis and the pakis have had enough and more time to prepare and coach this faqer.

The NIA will be played like babes in the woods.

H&D is safe on all sides.

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 10 Jun 2010 03:41
by VinodTK

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 10 Jun 2010 07:36
by SSridhar
We now have several names, Major Saeed, Major Iqbal, Major Sameer Ali and Colonel Shah. I have two questions.
  1. Are all the above serving officers of the PA ? I presume Maj. Iqbal & Maj. Sameer Ali are.
  2. Who is Sheikh Abduk Rehman Saeed ? Is he the same as Major Saeed ?
TIA

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 10 Jun 2010 09:04
by ramana
SSridhar wrote:
We now have several names, Major Saeed, Major Iqbal, Major Sameer Ali and Colonel Shah. I have two questions.
  1. Are all the above serving officers of the PA ? I presume Maj. Iqbal & Maj. Sameer Ali are.
  2. Who is Sheikh Abdul Rehman Saeed ? Is he the same as Major Saeed ?
TIA
Above report says he is former TSPA Major Saeed.
According to investigators, Lashkar leaders, a former Pakistani military official Sheikh Abdul Rehman Saeed and Sajid Mir were the chief handlers of US based jihadis — Headley and Tahawwur Hussain Rana. Rana had learned of the pending Mumbai attack during a meeting with Abdur Rehman Saeed.

There is definite information that Headley and Rana had stayed in Pakistan during the Mumbai attacks and left that country a few days after the carnage. While Headley left Pakistan on December 7, Rana left a couple of days later. Their locations during the period are traced to Karachi and Lahore.

The agencies have in possession voice samples — derived from satellite and mobile phones — of those who were passing instructions to the 26/11 attackers. Mir and Saeed were arrested by Pakistan at the behest of US after the terror plot against India and Denmark was busted.

During his interrogation, Headley had told the FBI that Pakistani army officials Major Saeed, Major Iqbal, Major Sameer and Colonel Shah were involved in the planning of the 26/11 attacks.
The other question is how and where were these Army officers monitoring the operation from? ISI safe-house or local Hqs in Karachi?

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 10 Jun 2010 09:38
by SSridhar
Ramana, thanks.

From this report in ToI, I quote:
Headley has mentioned serving officers of Pakistan army — Major Sameer Ali, Major Iqbal and Major Haroon — as those who collaborated with the Laskhar terrorists. Major Sameer and Major Iqbal figured in the dossier India gave to Pakistani foreign secretary Salman Bashir.

Headley also admitted that while he had started off as a Lashkar recruit, he started drifting towards Al Qaida under the influence of Major Abdul Rahman Saeed. Saeed, who served with 6 Baloch Regiment of Pakistan army, took voluntary retirement in 2002 to devote himself full time to Al Qaida's cause. Headley, who respected Saeed for his "sacrifice", went high in the retired major'e esteem because of precise inputs he provided for the 26/11 attack.

Saeed, with the help of Ilyas Kashmiri, drafted him for the plan to attack Danish newspaper Jylland Posten which published controversial cartoons of Prophet Mohammad. This, when Headley's original handler Sajid Mir wanted him to focus on Lashkar's anti-India mission.
So, Headley was working for both Brigade 313 and LeT. The former is part of 'bad Taliban' and the latter is PA itself.

This also reveals the identity of those identified as members A, B, C & D in the US charge sheet. We can decode as follows.

Headley's association with Individual A was to attack the Danish newspaper. So, obviously it was Retd Major Sheikh Abdur Rehman Saeed (aka Pasha or simply as Major). Individual A also took Headley to FATA to meet with Ilyas Kashmiri. Major Ashique Haroon also works for Ilyas Kashmiri.

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 10 Jun 2010 09:54
by ramana
and what was he doing for massa?

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 10 Jun 2010 21:11
by CRamS
ramana wrote:and what was he doing for massa?
We will never know. Only Masa's media can unearth this, and you know how 'free' Masa's media is when it comes to national interests.

To get a glimpse, allow me the luxury of highlighting an unrelated event. You know Helen Thomas, one of those white house reporters, among a sea of well-paid, well-dressed chic mouthpieces asking routine questions at daily white house press conference. Recently, she made some remarks on Israel. Now whether or not you agree with her is not the issue. But since her remarks went against the very foundation of what people are supposed to believe about Israel, and its not just govt that banished her, apparently even the reporter's guild, press corps association banned her. Now thats media and nationalism for you.

And you think such a media will unearth US govt in cahoots with Paki terrorists like DCH; especially since the consummation was to secure US national interests? Even now there is defeaning cacophony on Isalmic terror and so called "Al Queda", but do you hear even a semblance of a debate on how US steamy romance with "freedom fighters" have morphed into "Al Queda"? And I am not even talking about Masa's bed mates' continued terror assualt on India costing 1000s and 1000s of expendable SDRE lives.

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 10 Jun 2010 21:53
by ramana
If DCH cooperating with NIA makes more news then the TSP will sing about the other side of DCH contract. So sabar karo.

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 10 Jun 2010 23:53
by SwamyG
CramS: Good post about the Helen Thomas issue. When one deals with USA one needs to understand that it is a system that we deal with. The system has its own fissures (and rebels) but yet it is an American one. The duplicity or harm their country causes is seldom analyzed in the MSM. Hence there is a great disconnect between the aam jane and joe and their government.

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 11 Jun 2010 02:14
by Anujan
Here is an official statement from Unkil
http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2010/June/10-nsd-683.html
As part of the cooperation and partnership between the United States and India in the fight against international terrorism, Indian law enforcement officials were provided direct access to interview David Coleman Headley, the Justice Department announced today.

Mr. Headley and his counsel agreed to the meetings and Headley answered the Indian investigators’ questions over the course of seven days of interviews. There were no restrictions on the questions posed by Indian investigators. To protect the confidentiality of the investigations being conducted by both India and the United States, both countries have agreed not to disclose the contents of the interviews.

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 11 Jun 2010 09:48
by Prem
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/06 ... .html?_r=1

DOJ: US Man Interviewed by India Investigators
In his plea agreement, Headley admitted making surveillance videos and conducting other intelligence gathering for the attack on Mumbai. The U.S. and India say the 10 gunmen in the three-day siege were trained and directed by the Pakistani-based terrorist group Lashkar e Taiba (Army of the Pure). Headley and his counsel agreed to the meetings and there were no restrictions on the questions posed by Indian investigators, the department said. Indian law enforcement officials were provided direct access to interview Headley ''as part of the cooperation and partnership between the United States and India in the fight against international terrorism,'' the department said in a statement. Both countries have agreed not to disclose the substance of the interviews, in order to protect the confidentiality of the investigations being conducted by India and the U.S., the Justice Department statement added.

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 11 Jun 2010 11:25
by Atri
http://news.indiainfo.com/headley-deibe ... 16825.html

Kasab's red wrist thread bought from Siddhivinayak temple, mumbai by DCH.. People close to ISI and pak-military (ZZH for example) had started shouting about "the red wrist threads" hence kasab is amar-singh immediately after the attacks happened.. Coincidence?

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 11 Jun 2010 12:14
by abhishek_sharma
Indian probe team meets Headley; visit “useful”

http://beta.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 452438.ece

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 11 Jun 2010 16:35
by Sanku
'NIA team may not have got much from Headley'
But one source, familiar with the case, told rediff.com, "This guy is not to be underestimated in his sophistication that comes from years of being an undercover agent and one who is fully aware of his rights as an American citizen and is also fully updated on the laws and the nuances of the plea agreement."

Diplomatic sources acknowledged that they had pushed very strongly for access to Headley because they feared that denial of such access would have affected India-US strategic partnership.

"We did not want it to become a major political and diplomatic issue, which it was beginning to become when the access continued to be delayed," one source said.

"But nobody could have forced Headley to say anything," another source pointed out, and everything came under the rubric of US laws "and it was entirely managed by the department of justice."
Unnamed sources all, but on this level even a mainstream web publisher (very supportive of party in power usually) talking about the event being nothing more than showboating is significant.

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 11 Jun 2010 18:45
by chaanakya
chaanakya wrote:Rahul Bhatt remembers Headley



"One Sunday, I told Headley that we would not be able to meet as it was my birthday and I would be going to Siddhi Vinayak temple. He surprised me by landing up there," said Warak. "He even chatted with a constable guarding the place with a carbine and told him that his gun was an antiquated."
Atri wrote:http://news.indiainfo.com/headley-deibe ... 16825.html

Kasab's red wrist thread bought from Siddhivinayak temple, mumbai by DCH.. People close to ISI and pak-military (ZZH for example) had started shouting about "the red wrist threads" hence kasab is amar-singh immediately after the attacks happened.. Coincidence?
Quite a coincidence

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 11 Jun 2010 19:38
by ramana
We made sure Headley would talk, says US 8)

I felt they did their best to prevent it : plea bargain, then say plea bargain prevents access and then delay and deny even after the US President said it was a priority and finally had to be shown the bi-lateral treaty which trumps local law. And now they claim they ensured access to DCH!

The US amabssador to India was leader in this stalling tactics with his double entendre statements undercutting his boss.

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 11 Jun 2010 20:49
by Tanaji
http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/jun/ ... gators.htm

The above article is more pessimistic and leads us to believe that nothing substantial was gained. Wonder what the truth is?

The Americans have pulled the wool over us, as per their strategic interests. Rather than blaming them, we should blame ourselves. Note that DCH was totally unknown to the Mumbai police until the FBI informed the Indian authorities...


On a side note:
Sanku wrote:
Unnamed sources all, but on this level even a mainstream web publisher (very supportive of party in power usually) talking about the event being nothing more than showboating is significant.
Eh Sanku, I thought for you, "unnamed sources" were verboten or rather nyet as per the C-17 thread? Now, you are quoting an article that quotes unnamed sources? I suppose its kosher since it agrees with your viewpoint eh?

I keep saying its a matter of assigning probabilities to the believability of an item...

Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Posted: 11 Jun 2010 21:33
by Rangudu
The truth is that this is likely all for show and India's incremental knowledge of LeT-ISI plans etc. from directly interrogating Headley is infinitesimal.

That said, not getting direct access to him would definitely have been worse than getting at least this.

To me, Indians "interrogating" Headley is a red herring. The real issues are:

1. What did Unkil know and when did he know it?
2. What did Unkil allow to happen to India?
3. Why is Unkil not publicly releasing the fact that LeT commanders are in fact serving TSPA officers?
4. Why is GoI not putting any of the above as key items in India's dealings with the US? E.g. MMS could tell Obama that unless the US publicly acknowledges LeT = State actor, any US request to India would not be considered etc.

etc.