People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 19 Oct 2010 08:44

Video: How China Passed India

TonyMontana · Post by **TonyMontana** » 19 Oct 2010 08:53

Shankas wrote:Your comment suggests otherwise, and just reinforced the proverb for me.

Zesty zinger. 7/10. But I expect a certain level of zestiness from BRF posters. So I would refrain from now on, and only reply to the really zesty ones. Ie. 8/10 or above.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 19 Oct 2010 09:14

Bah, big words aside, I do get the sense that the world as we know it is slowly but surely (in terms of % world population) moving towards the 'chinese model'/Beijing consensus and away from the pontificatory west. Like singha saar mentioned in the persp thread, the bedrock of the western empire - unkil khan - is in serious or at least nontrivial, decline. A reversal in fortune and direction is possible but not likely.

And maybe that's not such a bad thing - nations moving away from the hypocritical west that is. The cheeni model works for cheena and its application will lead to trouble elsewhere, I suspect. Anyway, by then we will all be safely dead, IMHO. Time indicates before it tells, sometimes. Jai ho, jai hu and all that.

Don't know where to start on this one.

Never cut of your nose to spite your face. The allergy to the west needs to be kept in perspective. This is a culture that has been hypocritical and has literally sanctimoniously slaughtered millions for their god and for profit. This is also a culture that has taken a very critical look at itself (from Hume to Nietzsche) and to an admirable extent internalised the big words (recall Gordon Brown calling a perfectly White woman a bigot, in the assumed privacy of his car).

I am gratified that Britain pays for prostitute visits for its mentally challenged state wards. In germany they were gassing them 60 years ago (the lads and the prostitutes). Of course they were sterilising the men in the US and Britain around that time as well.

That is, Anglo-Saxon culture (I prefer the term English speaking) is the current innovator of citizen rights (yes their own, not Chinese' or Indians'; East Europeans only as it relates to USSR/Russia-cynical etc, etc). They have developed a self-correcting mechanism (as important as DNA proof reading of some polymerases) to ensure a certain fidelity to certain core principles.

I think Indians (in India or the west can definitely do business with them). In fact there is no question of the Chinese model as anything other than a most exploitative, rapacious, unprincipled oligarchy that is reminiscent of the White Man's burden-only here it is the CCP wise men's burden. It is a type of racism to judge it good enough for the Chinese-people everywhere deserve better. Because it has delivered higher literacy, lower infant mortality and greater economic utility than the Indian model does not vitiate, ipso facto, the big words.

Of course present returns do not guarantee future performance. Notice how conveniently China is now going to concentrate on reducing their gini and geographic imbalance.

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 19 Oct 2010 11:18

can a chini website in line with BR can survive in china? (especially the Forum part)

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 19 Oct 2010 11:36

few more questions:

why china could not invade taiwan?
why china could not invade japan?
why china could not invade mongolia?
why only tibet?
japan and taiwarn are bigger threat to china, isn't it?
what wrong tibet had done?
why china is not releasing information on chinese casualty of 1962 war with bharat?

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 19 Oct 2010 11:43

During 2nd Sino Japan War, Japan held this much of china

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Japan ... _-_Map.jpg

How come china could not hold against much smaller japan?

Full scale invasion of China

Casualties of a mass panic during a June 1941 Japanese bombing of Chongqing. More than 5000 civilians died during the first two days of air raids in 1939[19]Most historians place the beginning of the Second Sino-Japanese War on July 7, 1937 at the Marco Polo Bridge Incident, when a crucial access point to Beijing was assaulted by the Imperial Japanese Army (IJA). Because the Chinese defenders were the poorly equipped infantry divisions of the former Northwest Army, the Japanese easily captured Beiping and Tianjin.

The Imperial General Headquarters (GHQ) in Tokyo were initially reluctant to escalate the conflict into full scale war, being content with the victories achieved in northern China following the Marco Polo Bridge Incident. However, the KMT central government determined that the "breaking point" of Japanese aggression had been reached and Chiang Kai-shek quickly mobilized the central government army and air force under his direct command to attack the Japanese Marines in Shanghai on August 13, 1937, which led to the Battle of Shanghai. The IJA had to mobilize over 200,000 troops, coupled with numerous naval vessels and aircraft to capture Shanghai after more than three months of intense fighting, with casualties far exceeding initial expectations.[20]

Building on the hard won victory in Shanghai, the IJA captured the KMT capital city of Nanjing (Nanking) and Southern Shanxi by the end of 1937, in campaigns involving approximately 350,000 Japanese soldiers, and considerably more Chinese. Historians estimate up to 300,000 Chinese were mass murdered in the Nanking Massacre (also known as the "Rape of Nanking"), after the fall of Nanking on December 13, 1937, while some Japanese deny the existence of a massacre.

(is china capable of and chinese show Japan the similar belligerence shown to other nations and nationals?)

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 19 Oct 2010 11:51

Mongol Invasion of China
First China Japan War
Second China Japan War
China Russia War

Perhaps the above explains why china could only invade unarmed and poor tibet. And unsuccessfully tries to intimidate others around. Looks total loser.

abhischekcc · Post by **abhischekcc** » 19 Oct 2010 12:02

Murugan wrote:can a chini website in line with BR can survive in china? (especially the Forum part)

Only if it is rabidly nationalist/racist. And quite a few exist.

You can read them at risk to your own mental health. Their IQ level is even lower than paki defence phorums.

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 19 Oct 2010 12:11

The above is enough to call this bullies a paper tiger and nothing else.

Small determined nations could invade china and overpower it. China had to seek help from european and other nation to face japan during the second war. But china could invade only a hapless, poor, unimportant to westerners region like tibet and boast of being a superpower. the history speaks something else.

look here, how koreans are giving a hard slap on Echendee

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Korea ... se_War.png

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 19 Oct 2010 12:29

oh, and i forgot this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War

Both China and Vietnam claimed victory in the last of the Indochina Wars of the twentieth century; however, since Vietnamese troops remained in Cambodia until 1989 it can be said that the PRC failed to achieve the goal of dissuading Vietnam from involvement in Cambodia

It is very easy overpower hapless tibetans but...

While not able to contain the vietnamese, resorted to killing civilians, destroying villages, agriculture and unmentionable atrocities.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Oct 2010 16:12

TonyMontana, your trollish behaviour in the thread is not conducive to healthy discussions. You have a warning.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Oct 2010 16:45

Murugan wrote: While not able to contain the vietnamese, resorted to killing civilians, destroying villages, agriculture and unmentionable atrocities.

Murugan - I will just repeat a philosophical point that I made earlier in all seriouness and will try and expand a bit on it.

Apart from the coercive one child policy general reading throws up estimates of 100 to 300 million dead or killed in China during the cultural revolution, famines and their aftermath. I am not sure how true these figures are - but today's China is disciplined, appears relatively uniform on the surface and is getting richer, and has a population that is probably 400 to 500 million less than it would have been without all those deaths, abortions and coercion.

Does the end justify the means?

If you take the "end" as a photograph of today one could say "Yes. The end result looks good, Therefore all that happened in the past was good and justifiable"

But China is not a photograph. It is a living nation with people who are better off now because their predecessors were coerced.

For China it was an internal threat that was used for coercion. Intellectuals and the "bourgeoisie" were the parasites who were causing misery. They had to be weeded out of society. Society was "reset" to a situation where everyone was equal. This "equal" society was put through a fair amount of misery, but the benefits were ultimately pumped back into society making it richer and making more people lead better lives. But as all societies discover - poverty can be uniform. Wealth is never uniform. You cannot go below -273 degrees C. You can go millions of degrees up though. You cannot go below death from hunger and cold. You can go well beyond "plenty to eat and wear"

So we have a non uniform China today. There used to be a non uniform China before the cultural revolution. That non uniform China was made "uniform and disciplined" by the cultural revolution. And now China is once again non uniform. Perhaps the disparity is not yet high - but it is there. How is China going to address this disparity? That last time round it was addressed by revolution and elimination of the elite. But can China now eliminate its elite?

An interesting comparison to me is Pakistan. For Pakistanis an external threat was the tool of social control. Pakis were told that they had to put up with privation and misery because the India threat had to be fought off. The elite were leading the poor in this fight. Because of the external threat it was the elite who were funding the armed forces and the poor would have to just put up or a little longer while the external enemies were defeated.

The leaders of a non uniform China with elites in control and a restive poor can be tempted to take the "Pakistan route" and blame external enemies for the discrepancies and inequalities of society. Such a route is advantageous to the elite (who now man the roaringly successful communist party) who do not have to give up anything and the poor stay as they are. I doubt if China will get another Mao to remove the elites and redistribute wealth. As far as I can tell a communist system has no way of allowing such inequality to survive.

I am guessing that gradually China is likely to undergo some democratic reforms. But democracy is a scary word. If democracy were to come overnight to China the CPC would be kicked out just as surely as the feudal elite in Pakistan would be removed if democracy were to come overnight to Pakistan. That would mean too much chaos for he CPC to countenance and too much loss of power for the CPC leadership. I suspect the CPC will have its plate full. Let's see if they are tempted to resort to war to keep their place. It can't be ruled out - but one can hope for a better outcome.

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 19 Oct 2010 20:55

Chinese bosses shoot protesting Zambian miners: police

LUSAKA (AFP) – Managers at a Chinese-run Collum Coal Mine in Zambia shot and wounded 12 miners who were protesting against poor working conditions, police said on Saturday.
"The workers were protesting against the poor working conditions when managers using shotguns started to shoot aimlessly, not in the air, thereby wounding 12 workers," police spokesman Ndandula Siamana told AFP.

Chinese Managers Arrested for Shooting Zambian Miners

Chinese bosses 'mistakenly' shot Zambia protesters: Beijing

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 19 Oct 2010 22:49

Zambia ought to close those mines, or give their management to India. The responsible bosses should be sentenced to execution by Zambian justice.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 19 Oct 2010 23:01

RajeshA wrote:Zambia ought to close those mines, or give their management to India. The responsible bosses should be sentenced to execution by Zambian justice.

What is the problem, saar?

Good, tried and tested chinese management techniques onlee. Improves productivity no end!

Works very well in china!!

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 20 Oct 2010 02:06

chetak wrote:
RajeshA wrote:Zambia ought to close those mines, or give their management to India. The responsible bosses should be sentenced to execution by Zambian justice.
What is the problem, saar?

I am feeling bored. I bwant ekjekooshuns!

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 20 Oct 2010 06:01

Hari Seldon wrote:Bah, big words aside, I do get the sense that the world as we know it is slowly but surely (in terms of % world population) moving towards the 'chinese model'/Beijing consensus and away from the pontificatory west. Like singha saar mentioned in the persp thread, the bedrock of the western empire - unkil khan - is in serious or at least nontrivial, decline. A reversal in fortune and direction is possible but not likely.

And maybe that's not such a bad thing - nations moving away from the hypocritical west that is. The cheeni model works for cheena and its application will lead to trouble elsewhere, I suspect. Anyway, by then we will all be safely dead, IMHO. Time indicates before it tells, sometimes. Jai ho, jai hu and all that.

I haven't seen one other country that uses the current Chinese model - one-party authoritarian rule, with *regular*, *scheduled* intra-party succession for the top posts, and to people they aren't related to.

Quite different from Cuba or North Korea or Syria or Egypt where it goes from father to son or brother to brother when the geezer in charge is finally in danger of keeling over.

In any case the statistics suggest the very opposite, that democracy is growing, rather than shrinking in Latin America, Africa and Asia too. People want a say in what happens to them, and desire recourse to justice because that is in their own personal interests, not because rich whites pay them to think that way.

Democracy is more than elections and multi-party politics, it is the separation of powers between the executive and the judiciary. Almost all Mainland Chinese would love to have a judiciary they could rely on to give them justice when party bosses grab their land, or contaminate their water, or look the other way when they are forced to work in dangerous and illegal mines.

You can't have a measure of justice without a measure of democracy, and vice versa.

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 20 Oct 2010 06:11

TonyMontana wrote:
Johann wrote: The CPC shows no indication that it thinks political pluralism is even good as a distant goal for China. That was and is Heresy No.1
Epic! Makes sad reading doesn't it? That being said, in the internet generation, things might just work out different. Here's hoping.

No communist party ever decided to dismantle its monopoly on power when economic conditions were improving.

In every case prolonged economic crises brought about political crises which eventually split the Party leadership. Splits in turn paralyse politburo decision-making, which then spreads to the coercive arms of the state (secret police, red army, cops), and finally the whole thing starts to crumble.

The CPC knows this, which is why it is so intensely focused on growth. If you want the PRC to democratise, then you must hope for prolonged economic crisis unfortunately. That's not enough of course, but that's where it starts - necessary, but not sufficient.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 20 Oct 2010 07:02

^^ The western hypocrisy I refer to is not related to democracy or the separation of powers or natural justice.

The west has anyway had its time, regardless of whether or not I want them around a lot longer dominating 'world affairs' as we know it.

A real counterfoil to PRC would be nice - one that accepts and includes India as a full partner, not as a shock absorber or cannon fodder only. But that is ways in coming, I suspect. Things will get worse before they get better. Time will tell, anyway.

TonyMontana · Post by **TonyMontana** » 20 Oct 2010 08:43

Murugan wrote: Perhaps the above explains why china could only invade unarmed and poor tibet. And unsuccessfully tries to intimidate others around. Looks total loser.

Oh damn. Got called out. I'm humbled. It appears that the Chinese are more merchants then warriors. Regarding fighting against Japan. In my understand, the KMT holded back because they believed, correctly, that the communists were the bigger threat to China. Mao once thanked the Japanese for weakening China to allowing him to come to power.

TonyMontana · Post by **TonyMontana** » 20 Oct 2010 08:46

Johann wrote:
The CPC knows this, which is why it is so intensely focused on growth. If you want the PRC to democratise, then you must hope for prolonged economic crisis unfortunately. That's not enough of course, but that's where it starts - necessary, but not sufficient.

The birthing pain of a new republic huh? The saddest part is the uncertainty of outcome. We are more likely to get another Mao then a Washington.

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 20 Oct 2010 10:02

This Country has not produced any literateur on world arena
Nor a leader of repute in the line of Washington, Benjamin Franklin, M K Gandhi,
No chinese sport is famous in world, like chess, hockey, cricket (martial art was learnt from others)
No health regime like yog or aerobics are known from this land (falun gong has been banned)
No emperor comparable to Ashok or Constantine
No quality vehicle (though Gulsar and Auto-Rikshaws of stolen design)
No quality yarn/clothe (thuogh sold with made in india tag)
No Medicine (though sold with made in india tag)
No political leader of moral standing
No political leader who values humanity
No vehilce of repute like NANO (though the small neighbours have produce many world famous models)
No institute of repute like IIT and IIM
No world class managers

A sovereign country that staples visa to intimidate a neighbour who is one of the largest business partner. no honesty.

A country that bans health enhancing exercise like falun gong.

A counrty that promotes fake production like Gulsar. No self-esteem.

A country that has sold drugs with other country's label. No morality.

A country that threatens its minorities and ethnic groups.

Why this country should be feared which does not have morality, honesty and self-esteem. Which can be easily overpowered by small nations around. A country that is involved in dadagiri of Gali ka Gunda type and bully poor people like tibetans, uiguirs etc.

A person without morality, honesty and self-esteem is called diseased. One has to overcome or cure the Diseases. Diseases are Not required to be managed.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 20 Oct 2010 10:02

TonyMontana wrote: Regarding fighting against Japan. In my understand, the KMT holded back because they believed, correctly, that the communists were the bigger threat to China. Mao once thanked the Japanese for weakening China to allowing him to come to power.

I think there were some temporary agreements between Mao's communists and the Kuomintang that fell apart soon. The Kuomintang were fighting Japan and Mao's communists. But the aid to China from the USA was going to the Kuomintang. US Flights from India to China across the "hump" to fight the Japanese were all to help the Kuomintang. Mao should have thanked the US as well for helping to make the Japanese weaker. (Oh the uncultured ungrateful attitude of the Chicoms!). But in any case the US just switched sides in the 1970s.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 20 Oct 2010 10:06

TonyMontana wrote:We are more likely to get another Mao then a Washington.

Saar - this is off topic. But Washington was basically a nothing. He spoke little and did even less - but remains admired in Yamerika. Others such as Lincoln were far greater.

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 20 Oct 2010 12:09

Chinese are so free, they openly protest! Lick that you yindoos!
China-Brazil in friendly 'basket-brawl'

TonyMontana: Anyone else in your boots would have left this forum in a huff. So why do you persist? whats your motivation?

Neshant · Post by **Neshant** » 20 Oct 2010 12:24

the aim is to exterminate their culture alltogether

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Tibetan students protest use of Chinese in classes

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/1010 ... hina_tibet

shyam · Post by **shyam** » 20 Oct 2010 12:31

AdityaM wrote:TonyMontana: Anyone else in your boots would have left this forum in a huff. So why do you persist? whats your motivation?

A true Chini would have left long back, but a pretending one will not.

Shankas · Post by **Shankas** » 20 Oct 2010 18:11

TonyMontana: Anyone else in your boots would have left this forum in a huff. So why do you persist? whats your motivation?

Paid to post...its a living.
Anyone knows how to graph TM's timeline? Would like to see his shift, days off and overtime

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 20 Oct 2010 20:05

Tony, i am waiting for your response.
- Are you seeking a Nobel for international Understanding (Are Nobel prizes kosher in China?)
- Are you Cape wearing chinese superhero trying to further the cause of china
- Are you just having too much time
- Are you doing this for a livelihood
?

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 20 Oct 2010 20:13

^^^ Saar, a troll is very good at dishing out flamebait but it is very clear and clever about not taking it. You attempt at baiting a troll is way too transparent only. It will not bite, I assure you.

This one is good but amateurish, seems like. The pro trolls like one JYang a few yrs back on brf were a class apart. Khair, back then I was young on brf and all gusto, enthu etc and all too often and easily took the bait. This trolley is a nuisance, not a challenge like Jyang was. And we in India are way too tolerant of nuisances - itihaas gawaah hai, after all. This guy could well be a harmless punk actually, perhaps. Anyway, time will tell.

naren · Post by **naren** » 20 Oct 2010 23:03

Hari Seldon wrote:You attempt at baiting a troll is way too transparent only. It will not bite, I assure you.
...
This trolley is a nuisance, not a challenge like Jyang was.

hmm..... thats how pros bait trolleys

naren · Post by **naren** » 20 Oct 2010 23:33

Couple Tells Of Forced Abortion In Chinese City; 'One Child' Policy Blamed

After running afoul of China's One Child policy, a Chinese couple expected to be hit with a fine. But instead, officials demanded that the woman — who was in the eighth month of her pregnancy — have an abortion, according to a new Al Jazeera report.

In telling the couple's story, Al Jazeera reporter Melissa Chan gained access to a hospital where a distraught Xiao Ai Ying said doctors had given her womb an injection. As Chan describes it, the two spoke while Xiao awaited a procedure to remove the dead fetus.

In that case, Wei Linrong of Guanxi Province said she was seven months' pregnant with her second child when family planning officials came to her house and demanded that she report to the hospital for an abortion.

That report also included a reason why forced abortions and crackdowns might be more the work of regional officials — and not the result of a central edict:

Official figures published by the Xinhua news agency shed some light on why a forced abortion campaign might be judged necessary. They show that the Baise government missed its family planning targets last year. The recorded birth rate was 13.61 percent, slightly higher than the goal of 13.5 percent. This is significant because the career prospects of local officials depend upon meeting these goals.

Al Jazeera's Chan notes that the central government does not condone forced abortions — and that, in addition to financial rewards for having just one child, parents can be fined as much as $40,000 for having a second baby.

The country's official China Daily says that some 13 million abortions are performed in China each year. But that report also warned that the actual number could be far higher, as "figures are collected only from registered medical institutions."

Once again, China has outdone themselves and raised the bar.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 20 Oct 2010 23:44

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/20/busin ... 0rare.html
China Said to Widen Its Embargo of Minerals

China, which has been blocking shipments of crucial minerals to Japan for the last month, has now quietly halted some shipments of those
materials to the United States and Europe, three industry officials said this week.

The Chinese action, involving rare earth minerals that are crucial to manufacturing many advanced products, seems certain to further intensify already rising trade and currency tensions with the West. Until recently, China typically sought quick and quiet accommodations on trade issues. But the interruption in rare earth supplies is the latest sign from Beijing that Chinese leaders are willing to use their growing economic muscle.

“The embargo is expanding” beyond Japan, said one of the three rare earth industry officials, all of whom insisted on anonymity for fear of business retaliation by Chinese authorities.

Industry executives said there had been no signal from Beijing of how long rare earth shipments intended for the West would be held by Chinese customs officials. A few shipments are still being allowed out of the country for reasons that remain unclear: a fourth rare earth industry official said on Wednesday that one of the 32 authorized rare earth exporters in China had been allowed to export one container of rare earths to the West on Tuesday and hoped to be allowed to ship another on Thursday.

Without mentioning whether customs officials were interfering with statements to the West this week, the statement also said that, “China will continue to export rare earth to the world, and at the same time, in order to conserve exhaustible resources and maintain sustainable development, China will also continue imposing relevant restrictions on the mining, manufacture and export of rare earths.”

China mines 95 percent of the world’s rare earth elements, which have broad commercial and military applications, and are vital to the manufacture of products as diverse as cellphones, large wind turbines and guided missiles. Any curtailment of Chinese supplies of rare earths is likely to be greeted with alarm in Western capitals, particularly because Western companies are believed to keep much smaller stockpiles of rare earths than Japanese companies.

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TonyMontana · Post by **TonyMontana** » 21 Oct 2010 02:19

Murugan wrote:This Country has not produced any literateur on world arena
Nor a leader of repute in the line of Washington, Benjamin Franklin, M K Gandhi,
No chinese sport is famous in world, like chess, hockey, cricket (martial art was learnt from others)
No health regime like yog or aerobics are known from this land (falun gong has been banned)
No emperor comparable to Ashok or Constantine
No quality vehicle (though Gulsar and Auto-Rikshaws of stolen design)
No quality yarn/clothe (thuogh sold with made in india tag)
No Medicine (though sold with made in india tag)
No political leader of moral standing
No political leader who values humanity
No vehilce of repute like NANO (though the small neighbours have produce many world famous models)
No institute of repute like IIT and IIM
No world class managers

A sovereign country that staples visa to intimidate a neighbour who is one of the largest business partner. no honesty.

A country that bans health enhancing exercise like falun gong.

A counrty that promotes fake production like Gulsar. No self-esteem.

A country that has sold drugs with other country's label. No morality.

A country that threatens its minorities and ethnic groups.

Why this country should be feared which does not have morality, honesty and self-esteem. Which can be easily overpowered by small nations around. A country that is involved in dadagiri of Gali ka Gunda type and bully poor people like tibetans, uiguirs etc.

A person without morality, honesty and self-esteem is called diseased. One has to overcome or cure the Diseases. Diseases are Not required to be managed.

I am shamed and humbled. The world can only flourish under a new dawn of Indic thoughts and dharmic believes. I sincerely await an Indic renaissance where Indic thoughts could once again penetrate Chinese culture as you did for thousands of years and guide us on a road to a new enlightenment.

shiv wrote: Mao should have thanked the US as well for helping to make the Japanese weaker. (Oh the uncultured ungrateful attitude of the Chicoms!).

We thank them for fighting the war for us. If you remember, Japan attacked America because they wouldn't lift the blockade caused by Japan occupation of China.

AdityaM wrote: TonyMontana: Anyone else in your boots would have left this forum in a huff. So why do you persist? whats your motivation?

The Chinese are good a enduring the unendurable. We eat bitterness for breakfast.

shyam wrote: A true Chini would have left long back, but a pretending one will not.

Still think I'm Cuban huh?

Shankas wrote:Paid to post...its a living.
Anyone knows how to graph TM's timeline? Would like to see his shift, days off and overtime

You'll be surprised how fast those .50c addes up. Besides, .50c is only for entry level posters anyway. I don't work weekends.

AdityaM wrote:Tony, i am waiting for your response.
- Are you seeking a Nobel for international Understanding (Are Nobel prizes kosher in China?)
- Are you Cape wearing chinese superhero trying to further the cause of china
- Are you just having too much time
- Are you doing this for a livelihood
?

A little from column A and a little from column B.

Hari Seldon wrote: This guy could well be a harmless punk actually, perhaps.

Why is everyone so mean to me?

Manishw · Post by **Manishw** » 21 Oct 2010 02:51

TonyMontana wrote:
Why is everyone so mean to me?

Aha the victim card now, perhaps the answer would be clear in the posts that you have made so far.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 21 Oct 2010 02:59

TonyMontana wrote: Why is everyone so mean to me?

It is because of your American sounding handle. Americans just make us breathe fire in anger.

If you had chosen a Chinese sounding username, everybody here would have been profusely showering love on you.

TonyMontana · Post by **TonyMontana** » 21 Oct 2010 03:10

RajeshA wrote: It is because of your American sounding handle. Americans just make us breathe fire in anger.

If you had chosen a Chinese sounding username, everybody here would have been profusely showering love on you.

But my handle is Cuban! A fellow communist paradise. Besides, after Murugan's expert analysis, I am deeply ashamed of my Chinese heritage. Maybe you can help me find a Indian name. I'm thinking Babu. What do you think?

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 21 Oct 2010 03:12

TonyMontana wrote:Maybe you can help me find a Indian name. I'm thinking Babu. What do you think?

Read the Mahabharat and Ramayan epics. You may find something you like!

Manishw · Post by **Manishw** » 21 Oct 2010 03:14

TonyMontana wrote: But my handle is Cuban! A fellow communist paradise. Besides, after Murugan's expert analysis, I am deeply ashamed of my Chinese heritage.

These blatant ways where you seem to be too clever by half wont endear you to many people around here.Kindly don't play the victim card and insult the intelligence of posters here.

TonyMontana · Post by **TonyMontana** » 21 Oct 2010 03:36

Manishw wrote:These blatant ways where you seem to be too clever by half wont endear you to many people around here.Kindly don't play the victim card and insult the intelligence of posters here.

Look. Let me put it to you this way. When I first joined the forum, I thought I could engage in some intelligent conversation with actual Indians in a contructive manner. I was never rude, expressed my honest held opinions and I would like to think I contributed to the forum. I expected a bit of prejudice, since I'm pretty much a Yankee fan in a White Socks forum. I thought, maybe naively, that if I be nice then maybe I could get some intellgent converstaion going. But alas, I've been enduring zingers and in my opinion personal attacks since day one. I spend half my time answering to Zingers then responding to actualy posts. That being said, there are gems to be found as well. I have engaged in many worthwhile conversations with some posters and honestly learnt things as well. So I'm going to keep on enduring the bitterness.

Believe it or not, my personal attitudes and opinions of India and Indians are a lot more positive then most Chinese. Maybe it's because I have actual real life Indian friends. So if you can't stand someone that wants to engage with you, what does that say about your own personal prejudices? And if this is the response you give to people that came in friendship, maybe some of my Chinese friends' analysis of India is correct. India wants to be like China, not in the political sense, but in terms of clout. But you're angry that a people you sense, is inferior to you culturally, is doing better.