Bharat Rakshak

Jarita wrote:

Theo_Fidel wrote:
Way back when during the Jayalalitha regime the Cheyyur UMPP, 4000MW of coal from Odisha project was shot down by AMMA because none of the ‘anti-national types’(/sarc guys) near Nagapattinam wanted to part with their land. It did not make financial sense to ship coal around Lanka to Tuticorin & Tirunelveli where land was available, yes within that nest of anti-national types. Hence the Sethu Samudram was proposed. It would allow coal to be shipped to the 2,600 mw expansion planned at Tooti. Another 3,000 MW was proposed along the coast there from Kanyakumari up. Then Sethu was shut down over religious sentiment by more ‘anti-national’ types and hence the 2,600 MW project at Tuti never took off. The other projects have been suspended as imported coal is not as easy to get as Odisha coal and banks won’t finance imported coal projects without linkages. You can blame the present shortage as being due to Cheyyur and Sethu/Tuti, total 6,600MW, getting shut down.

Huh!
Sethu Samudran had huge issues (other than the so called religious ones) - thorium deposits and LTTE ships in proximity are just two of them. There were also major environmental issues where the area serves as a bank for Tsunami type waves. Leave aside the religious arguments, the whole project was flawed and infact was a classic case of a project where outsiders would have very much wanted India to execute it.

The major issue with sethu samundram is sedimentation. It would need constant , every day dredging for all times to come. This is THE reason why it is never going to be viable. The narrow channel would also per force reduce the speed of all transiting ships. What they would(?) have gained in distance, they would have lost more in time, thus becoming sitting ducks for the ltte or any one else. One single sunk or grounded ship would have blocked the channel for a long long time.

All other reasons pale in comparison. It was also tr baaaaaaaaaaaaalu's (and karuna's) retirement scheme, he had slyly and lucratively already tied up with some (norwegian??) dredging firms for continuous dredging for times to come.

This was baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalu's equivalent of raja's scheme.

theo is surely aware of all this but he flatters to deceive, as usual.

For baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalu, kani and "father" jagat gang, the payoff was that the frocks would have been mighty pleased because as an added bonus, the sethu is sacred to the Hindus, ergo the incandescent rage of karuna and his engineer statement.

Many birds with a single stone. It was a beautiful scam.

AoA on the latest news of putting this pestering issue behind us.

Hoping to see Kali/Durga avatar of Amma to do the needful on the traitors and assorted criminals.

It was always ammas political calculation that led to the entire thing surviving. As soon as the bye-elections and other political mileage drawing need is over, she packed it up in double quick time. I wonder what she got from the con party for this though.

pandyan wrote:Amma is also under lot of pressure. Multi-hour power cut with good dose of mosquitoes are not a good thing.

This might the real issue.
saala macchar.....

Now back to serious issue.

Though Kudankulam parish priest Rev. Fr. Thatheus Rajan was also present at that time along with the protestors, he was allowed to go.

Why was he let go while others were arrested?

so the reverend started shivering in his robes ,eh ? if he felt so strongly about the nookulur issue , he should have offered himself first ..hopefully the people supporting him would realise that they have been duped by the church into doing anti-national stuff..

End game:Let the "fasters unto death" pl. do so.It is a voluntary act and we will be well rid of them.The "Udayakumars" of today have become synonymous with the "Quislings" of WW2.

gakakkad wrote:

Philip wrote:Gakkakad,how is the end game going to play out? The latest whines from Kani and the DMK about mins resigning on the Lankan issue(?),shows that there is still considerable mischief to be let loose by vested interests.

don't know about the tamil issue . My pan wallahs are from the nookular establishment. They were worried about both political and physical sabotage. They have spent the last few months screening all employee's to ensure that no one has infiltrated the agencies..now the central agencies have got the act together..

Udaykumar will be seem frothing and foaming in the coming weeks..

He could have also been picked up and made a guest of the state with the rest. He is being reported to be saying things like 'we will not allow...', 'not losing faith in TN CM' etc. This is not DMK/ADMK politics so one would like to see law apply to this person if it is applying to the rest in the group. The mind does go back to what MK did following the attack on S.Swamy in the High court.

More good news... work recommences in full swing.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/tam ... 016454.ece

Civil society members warn of “nuclear Nandigram”

http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/tam ... 017456.ece

Civil society members, including former judges, writers, scientists, academicians, filmmakers and lawyers, have condemned the Tamil Nadu government's decision “to give the green signal to commissioning of the Kudankulam Nuclear Power Project (KKNPP) and the massive deployment of police force to crush the peaceful agitation.”

Releasing an appeal to Chief Minister Jayalalithaa, journalist and writer Gnani said though the protesters had not indulged in violence, the government had deployed police and Central forces as if it was preparing for a war against another country.

“Knowing the resolve of the agitating communities, the government's hard line and posturing can only lead to a nuclear Nandigram,” he said, quoting a statement, whose signatories included retired Chief of Naval Staff Admiral L. Ramdas, retired Maharastra High Court Judge Kolse Patil, human rights activists Binayak Sen, National Advisory Council members Aruna Roy and Harsh Mander, columnist Praful Bidwai and former Vice-Chancellor Vasanti Devi.

Mr. Gnani wanted to know why Ms. Jayalalithaa, who had campaigned in Sankarankoil by-election, could not visit the nearby Kudankulam and address the concerns of the people.

Manushyaputhiran, another writer, requested the Chief Minister not to play into the hands of the Centre which had been planning to crush the agitation of the local people. “If any untoward incidents take place in the area, the Chief Minister will be held responsible,” he said.Actor Rohini said as a responsible citizen it was her duty to voice her support for the agitating people.

“Knowing the resolve of the agitating communities, the government's hard line and posturing can only lead to a nuclear Nandigram,” he said, quoting a statement, whose signatories included retired Chief of Naval Staff Admiral L. Ramdas, retired Maharastra High Court Judge Kolse Patil, human rights activists Binayak Sen, National Advisory Council members Aruna Roy and Harsh Mander, columnist Praful Bidwai and former Vice-Chancellor Vasanti Devi.

Very august gathering of known "do-gooders" under one umbrella!! ( Dont know who this Vasanti Devi is though)

More good news for CM JJ,she has swept the Sankarankoil by-election with a whopping 65,000 vote majority!

Time now to sweep into the ocean the arch-protester-puppets orchestrating the protests at the behest of their firang masters.

There is little chance of a deja vu of Nandigram, with Amma in power.

No wonder with what Adm retd L Ramdas has to say on this. It was under his stewardship that IN refused to raise a requirement of extension of lease of INS Chakra I.

nelson wrote:There is little chance of a deja vu of Nandigram, with Amma in power.

No wonder with what Adm retd L Ramdas has to say on this. It was under his stewardship that IN refused to raise a requirement of extension of lease of INS Chakra I.

This gentleman has a paki son in law and has been a moron in the way he has carried on his foolish activities.

He belives in urine therapy too. Typical garbage in and garbage out syndrome.

sum wrote:

“Knowing the resolve of the agitating communities, the government's hard line and posturing can only lead to a nuclear Nandigram,” he said, quoting a statement, whose signatories included retired Chief of Naval Staff Admiral L. Ramdas, retired Maharastra High Court Judge Kolse Patil, human rights activists Binayak Sen, National Advisory Council members Aruna Roy and Harsh Mander, columnist Praful Bidwai and former Vice-Chancellor Vasanti Devi.

Very august gathering of known "do-gooders" under one umbrella!! ( Dont know who this Vasanti Devi is though)

Expect to see the same gathering of "do-gooders" (with the addition of a few more) when the action heats up at Jaitapur and the other sites earmarked for nuclear plants. It's always useful to remember that KNPP is just a pit stop in the larger objective of making India "nook nude". Remember there are two NGOs involved in the Jaitapur agitation. And that German dude Herr Hermann, who was deported, had connections with them as well. Make no mistake the ultimate prize is our strategic plants which make our maal.

It's easy to identify and isolate these "do gooders" because they do not belong to the mainstream in anyway be it political or from the activist POV. The problem starts when "useful idiots" from the mainstream jump into the fray for petty political considerations and give these idiots legitimacy in the eyes of the common people. Much the same bunch of "do gooders" latched on to Mamata didi's pallu and nixed the proposal to base a nuclear plant in West Bengal.

In Jaitapur with Shiv Sena trying to prove its "Green credentials" there's always fear that the same thing could happen. All it needs is some good old fashioned violence so that the incident becomes the cause célèbre which can be used as the instrument to stop the nuclear plants from coming up. Cut of all the hype, that's exactly what happened in Nandigram - I bring that up because that's the reference used by the "do gooders". It's also useful to remember the incident in Jaitapur - police station set on fire which resulted in police firing in which one guy was killed. That became the highlight of the agitation.

It's always useful to keep the big picture in focus.

JMT

svenkat wrote:From the above link,

She also sought the cooperation of political parties and all concerned to immediately resume work at the plant in Tirunelveli district, stalled following protests since September 2011, spearheaded by the People’s Movement Against Nuclear Energy (PMANE).

In the meanwhile, for the first time in the past seven-and-a-half months, the police acted against the anti-Kudankulam Nuclear Power Project protestors on Monday when the law-enforcers arrested nine anti-KKNPP protestors, including the two members of the anti-KKNPP struggle committee.

The Cabinet has decided to allocate Rs. 500 crore for locals to set up a cold storage for fish catch, construct houses, lay roads and repair mechanised fishing boats, she said.

Looks like the local goons got the bribe they were after. As I had said earlier, these were just land encroachers squatting on the area and would only leave when they got their due bribe. Add some anti-national EJs and foreign funding and it was a perfect recipe to bleed Mother India.

I believe there should be no gloating over the TN Government decision. 500 crores has been allocated for the welfare of our fishermen.Its a gesture of goodwill,no need to coarsen/vulgarise that allocation.

GOI/GoTN needs to take the maximum people along with us.No need to paint/stereotype whole lot of people.Thats unjust to our diversity,including the diversity in these parts.

^^^
+1

Looks like PIL has been filed against ban on public movement around koodankulam. Court to deliver verdict on monday. Looks like the 500 crores bribe/hafta to the local EJ led "community" goons is not sufficient. All piss and sekular only, kaa thoo!!! Going forward all such projects of national importance can factor in an additional 500-1000 crores to pay the hafta/bribes to the local goons who take advantage of such situations.

Adm.Ramdas' attitude after retirement is his perogative.However,one wishes that he carries on his crusade against nuclear weapons,etc. in other nations and forums too,picketing the embassies of America,etc. for wanting to sell India their stale N-plant tehcnology,etc.!
During his term as CNS,he made a famous,some say infamous statement about "making more with less" or words to that effect, and we had no orders for warships or subs for a decade.He was C-in-C of the Eastern Command before becoing CNS and it was also during his tenure in the east that the disgraceful loss of INS Andamans ,whose hull was in a pathetic state and sank after heavy flooding during an exercise.

Re. the protesters at KKM who still defy the GOI/state govt.,well one can take donkeys to the water or classroom to drink or be educated,but if they still behave like donkeys then they must be treated as such and coralled or sent to the "knacker's yard"!

Yes, all such projects must ensure that locals are suitably compensated. We dont want any more scams where opportunity cost of natural resources is handed over to external commercial operations for free.

Coal scam is bad enough, along with 2G types.

This KKNP issue had stopped being nuclear long time back and had become everything other than nuclear.

A pliable "animal farm" that goes as governance will be easy target for anyone and everyone to extract their pound of flesh. Atleast, the hafta is going to presumably commons unlike to individuals such as Suresh Kalmadi, 2Gs, and others. This government has scam and bribe written all over its dealings (CWG, antariksh, new clear vote, bah! too many to list) and blantant at it being headed by a front man of impeccable integrity. Paying Rs.500 crore to local development may probably the most honest thing this government undertakes.

At this rate, no-bull prize may be a chimera, but kids will probably be learning the mackulized approved new song about this animal farm:
Old man mohan had a farm
On his farm, he had scamster,
scamster here, scamster there, everywhere scamster...

Pay 500 crore to Kudankulam natives and then pay 50,000 cr as NREGA to rural poor. See any similarities ?

habal wrote:Pay 500 crore to Kudankulam natives and then pay 50,000 cr as NREGA to rural poor. See any similarities ?

No, the NREGA payments are not linked to physical disruptions caused by a large scale project.

Both are bribes.

habal wrote:Both are bribes.

Hardly, one is a compensation. Small one. More should have come without the hoo-halla.

Also this should actually be billed directly to the project cost.

It's good to be an NGO/activist! Very profitable,and you get publicity and kudos for being a do-gooder too.If you're really smart,you could even make an international career out of it as well!

habal wrote:Both are bribes.

+1

I dont think there was any 'real' disruption in the case of KKNPP.This area is arid land.There was almost zero agricultural activity.The villages are fishing villages.The NPP imho is a godsend to the region.There was no agitation until sep 2011.The 500 crore grant is a goodwill gesture for welfare and development.

NPPs are very very disruptive to fishing.

Yogi_G wrote:

habal wrote:Both are bribes.

+1

This is precisely the callous approach about the lives of people who are effected that results in the stand off between the state and its people and is responsible for a slow movement of critical projects.

In a country where lakhs of crores are lost in petty scams, a 500 Cr outlay to somewhat help poor fishermen who are going to suffer from the situation is considered a bribe?

And then we crib when our own flock fall prey to EJ's!!

Good job JJ I say, we need strong leaders like her to get sense to power drunk mafia ruling Delhi right now.

Sanku ji, thats a flame bait and I am not going to fall for it.

Yogi_G wrote:Sanku ji, thats a flame bait and I am not going to fall for it.

I am sorry if it came across as one, but kindly do not take is as a flame bait, that was certainly not the intent. Forgive and forget my tone, and consider the crux of the matter -- that is:

The lives of local residents are affected by such a project, and their well being is also a responsibility of the state and a part of the project cost.

Calling it a bribe, is indeed potentially liable to be considered a flame bait as well.

Yogi_G wrote:Sanku ji, thats a flame bait and I am not going to fall for it.

sankupushpam hain name .. bait ka hain game

From LA times:
India's treasury lost $210 billion in coal scandal
Added Later (Thanks to Tanaji) .. Different view
PMO rejects coal scam report, cites CAG letter for support

Meanwhile, when all is said and done, the latest IAEA report (soon to be formally out but portions are already being reported) says:
IAEA: "significant" nuclear growth despite Fukushima

Global use of nuclear energy could increase by as much as 100 percent in the next two decades on the back of growth in Asia, even though groundbreakings for new reactors fell last year after the Fukushima disaster, a U.N. report says.

<snip>

Germany, Switzerland and Belgium decided to move away from nuclear power to grow reliance on renewable energy instead.

TEMPORARY DELAYS?

"The 7-8 percent drop in projected growth for 2030 reflects an accelerated phase-out of nuclear power in Germany, some immediate shutdowns and a government review of the planned expansion in Japan, as well as temporary delays in expansion in several other countries," the IAEA report said.

But many countries are still pushing ahead with nuclear energy, with 64 reactors under construction at the end of 2011, most of them in Asia, said the document prepared for a closed-door meeting of the IAEA's 35-nation board last week.

"In countries considering the introduction of nuclear power, interest remained strong. Although some countries indicated that they would delay decisions to start nuclear power programs, others continued with their plans to introduce nuclear energy."

China and India are expected to remain the main centers of expansion in Asia and Russia is also forecast to see strong growth, it said.

Amber G. wrote:From LA times:
India's treasury lost $210 billion in coal scandal

No, not really

http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/busine ... 83971.html

What is the point of that link in the nuclear thread?

^^Thanks, I have added your link in my message to make it more complete. Thanks

Hillary to India: Take out your wallets!
Geopolitical notes from India
M D Nalapat
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Bill Clinton is one of the biggest fund-raisers in the world. A check into the donors for his foundation would show names from across the world, including several not known to be interested in the numerous good causes that Clinton claims to champion. When she ran for office as Senator from New York and later as the Democratic Party challenger to Barack Obama in the last presidential elections, Hillary Clinton raised large sums of money, although these dried up when it became clear that she would lose to Obama. The Clintons know that it is economic issues that resonate strongest with the Democratic party faithful, and it is to their credit that they presided over a period of growing prosperity for the US population. Not merely that, unlike Ronald Reagan and George W Bush, who ran up huge budget deficits and sharply increased the debt of the average taxpayer, President Clinton was able to convert the Republican deficit into a Democratic surplus. Of course, in the process, he allowed changes in regulations that began the wave of speculative transactions that almost led to the collapse of the international economy in 2008.

Although newspaper headlines in India claim that Hillary Clinton came to Delhi and Chennai in India three days before “to strengthen the strategic relationship between the US and India”, the reality is that she came looking for a handout, and the larger the better. A gasping US economy badly needs cash from wherever it can find it, and US corporates look to their government to ensure that a steady and growing flow of Indian orders takes place. Secretary Clinton made no secret of this intention, although the hunger for cash was couched behind soothing words about India’s importance. Exactly the sort of idle compliment that sends officials, mediapersons and officials in India swooning in delight. Of course, the visit left Corporate India unimpressed. Clinton refused to give any solace on the issue of numerous obstacles being placed by the protectionist Obama administration on the employment of Indian software and other professionals. She declined to announce a single measure that would assist Indian exporters in entering the US market.

However, while she gave zero concessions to Indian commercial interests, Hillary made extensive demands on behalf of US business. One of the most obnoxious was her public demand that Manmohan Singh get passed in 2011 itself a law that would - in effect - allow US nuclear suppliers a free pass even if malfunctions in their equipment killed tens of thousands, the way the Bhopal factory of Union Carbide did a quarter-century ago. Although the house-trained India media refused to react strongly to such effrontery, presumably even two individuals as innocent of politics as Manmohan Singh and Sonia Gandhi are aware that there would be a huge public outcry at such an indemnity given to foreign nuclear equipment suppliers.

What Clinton wanted was that foreign suppliers get all the financial benefits of selling even untested reactors, while placing on the shoulders of the Indian taxpayer all the risks of a nuclear incident or accident. Watching her in action at Tuesday’s press conference with S M Krishna, observers may have been forgiven for thinking that they were back in the 1930s,when India was ruled by a colonial power and had to suffer constant dictation from that power, usually against its own interests.

This columnist refuses to believe that Hillary Clinton is a liar. Hence he attributes to her lack of knowledge of the nuances of the nuclear issue her astounding statement that the 2008 Nuclear Supplier Group’s waiver to India was fully consistent with the recent NSG decision to restrict sales of uranium enrichment technology “to those countries that have signed the NPT”, a group to which India has refused to belong from the 1960s. Although President Bush worked out a marginally acceptable deal with India, ever since Barack Obama took over as the US President in 2009, he and his administration have consistently diluted the deal and sought to render it a nullity. Yes, the US is more than willing to get $20 billion of nuclear reactor orders from India, even though it has not altered its reactor designs for three decades. However, this will be given to India on exactly the same conditions as they would be sold to countries such as Qatar or South Africa. Prime Minister Singh has been shown to have been completely credulous when he accepted US claims that India would be treated on a higher footing than the non-weapon states that have signed the NPT. Instead, Obama ( assisted by Clinton and by other departments such as Commerce) has followed the line that has been favoured by China, which is to deny India any technology and set up only turnkey power plants in India.

Even as Manmohan Singh and Sonia Gandhi have sought to fashion policies in India that are responsive to US commands, the Obama administration has refused to permit substantive technology cooperation with India in fields such as Space, Nuclear Science and even Defense. All that Team Obama seeks is cash from purchases of items, sales made on the same restrictive conditions as apply to other countries. The fact is that the size of India and its dynamic population mandates that the country be treated on a footing different from all except other major powers. Apart from soothing and flattering words - of which there has been a profusion from Obama on down to low-level officials - thus far there has been very little change in the harsh restrictions that have been active against India since 1974. Despite this, last year India has sourced more than $8 billion from the US in the field of Defense puchases alone, including huge transport aircraft more suited to long-range operations than to border incidents. As for nuclear trade, the US has succeeded in ensuring that both France and Russia join it in demanding that their companies be absolved of any financial responsibility for accidents, including those caused by faulty design. The fact that France and Russia have joined hands with the US has been a shock to South Block, as it is in contrast to the period after the 1998 nuclear blasts, when both Paris and Moscow refused to join Washington, Canberra, Berlin and Ottawa in inflicting severe punishment on India for its temerity in going ahead with a technology that is intended only for “civilised” nations.

Although Manmohan Singh would like to oblige the US in any way he can, the PM is constrained by the fact that the many restrictive policies and the corruption of his administration has slowed down the economy. This has made it difficult for the government to find the cash needed to make huge nuclear orders. Had this cash been there, the government would have gone ahead with the orders, despite the humiliating conditions. After all, it is an article of faith in official Delhi that the US is always right, even if what it seeks is wrong for India. What terrorists could not - and cannot - do has been achieved by disastrous monetary and other policies. India’s economy is slowing down and this process will continue until wiser policies get formulated and implemented.

—The writer is Vice-Chair, Manipal Advanced Research Group, UNESCO Peace Chair & Professor of Geopolitics, Manipal University, Haryana State, India.

Any comments on this

In order to sign the Nuclear Deal the Singh Sonia duo have according to a friend -
a) shut down the research reactor "Dhruv" (if I remember right),
b) put curbs on or closed down several other research initiatives in which India led global nuclear research, including advanced work on the indigenous Fast Breeder reactors,
c) separated the "civil" from the "military" research and hence doubled costs, halved the number of people working on meaningful projects, and split their synergy,
d) permitted existing scientists and former members of India's nuclear infrastructure to join private multinational projects in India (read "brain drain" or "sellout of India's nuclear secrets", and yes we do have many secrets, innovations that no other country in the world can yet match!),
e) promoted the perception that Fast-Breeder technology (in which India leads) is a pipe dream and must be replaced by existing (obsolete by 40 years) nuclear plant designs,
Any Comments – on a to e.

http://rajeev.posterous.com/archive/7/2011?page=3