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Just gotta love the India Today snapshot of this story.... BTWm since when did these gutsy ladies become "Modi's firebrand women politicos', eh? I understand MSM is nowadays too happy to include NM's name in their story headlines by hook or by crook since, data show, it leads to a bump is pageviews, FB likes, comments,. referrals etc. But such characterization as done below??

Narendra Modi's firebrand women politicos are a force to reckon with
Narendra Modi's strategists believe that the five articulate female leaders of the BJP are critical as they might help counter the appeal of his nearest competitor, Sushma Swaraj.
Huh, strange and weirder. Only. But great pic, no?
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Aditya_V wrote:Sri- All the coalgate and 2G scams took place in UPA-1. UPA-1 inherited a relatively good governance and like Hitler spent the money of Jalnagyam's, Bogus Farm loan waiver. Now we are back to dynasty and cronies rate of growth. It has all the media in its pocket to do its marketing and Indian public fell for it.

You are correct even if bJP wins in 2014 it will be there only for 5 years.
Aditya Ji. You are correct. All scams happened in UPA1. Most probably, allies and INC itself didn't give themselves a shot for second term. There could be bad governance in UPA1 but 'left' unwittingly took the blame for it and walked out.

Unfortunately for INC they came to power again riding on back of loan waiver and NAREGA, and they were forced to clean the mess they created in UPA1. But what is interesting in these scandal is the way they have tumbled out. Through leaks, then RTI and then CAG. Same template is there in almost every case.

2G case is initially stumbled out and main target was PM. Then in Antrix main target was PM. Then in coal main target was PM. My take is that someone really tried to target the PM somehow it didn't stick and that made Rahul to second guess joining the Government.
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We will see the "Hindu" rate of growth kick serious a$$ of sickular (or family or vishkanya) rate of growth when NaMo comes to power.
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^^^
Yogi_G I am afraid you'll be disappointed by Mr Modi then.

Let his premiership be about Indian and it's untapped potential. My wish is he puts us back on the path of high growth, restore our stature internationally, infuse confidence in civil services, resolve long pending issues in Kashmir and North East, has a policy for SAARC, boost moral of security forces, give impetus to research and technology, improve education, make states financially independent, improve law and order and yes successfully implements National Resources Commission.
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Err...Sri ji, I was being sarcastic in my earlier post and share the same thoughts as most here on this thread of a positive wave sweeping India under Modi ji, maybe I dint articulate well enough.

Under Modi ji, with high growth rate, the term "Hindu rate of growth" will go into oblivion, sickulars will be afraid to use the term.
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Yogi_G Cheers to that!!!
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Sri wrote:
Aditya Ji. You are correct. All scams happened in UPA1. Most probably, allies and INC itself didn't give themselves a shot for second term. There could be bad governance in UPA1 but 'left' unwittingly took the blame for it and walked out.
I personally believe that the Karat's and Top leftists are with UPA, thier fights are just a way to Keep BJP from gettign a foothold IN Kerala and WB.

After what has happened in GOA , INC hopes are based on BSP, SP and CPI who will keep voting for UPA in confidence motions when needed as the real hope.
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Aditya_V wrote: I personally believe that the Karat's and Top leftists are with UPA, thier fights are just a way to Keep BJP from gettign a foothold IN Kerala and WB.
After what has happened in GOA , INC hopes are based on BSP, SP and CPI who will keep voting for UPA in confidence motions when needed as the real hope.
Absolutely. This is going to happen when push comes to shove.
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Sanku wrote: True, and that is why I have ONLY one expectation/hope/wish from a NaMo PM --> destroy the dynasty utterly. All the scams, from Cash for votes, to oil for food Volker, to AW to coal gate should be unleashed with such fury that they spend their nights and days in a court room if not in Tihar.

This time there should be no mistakes of ABV of underestimating the C-system. Kill the system, from the root.
Absolutely. I don't care if India grows or not. I don't care if India story is even like 10% of Gujarat's story. All I want is a game change and a fair chance to future of India. Truthful electoral reforms is the answer to everything. Current westminister style that is easily manipulatable has to go. This is achievable with one baby step and that does not need 2/3 majorities in LS and RS.
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Aditya_V wrote:
I personally believe that the Karat's and Top leftists are with UPA, thier fights are just a way to Keep BJP from gettign a foothold IN Kerala and WB.

After what has happened in GOA , INC hopes are based on BSP, SP and CPI who will keep voting for UPA in confidence motions when needed as the real hope.
Aditya Ji, this goes to heart of all this inclusiveness and exclusiveness debate isn't it? Why is that Left, SP, BSP etc will compete with INC on a common / shared vote bank but at the end of it will NEVER operate in a way that BJP gains at cost of INC?

It is possible the TMC and Left may support UPA together at center but compete in WB? Left and INC were in a fight in Kerela but Left supported INC at center. What gives, is the question?
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There is no ideological difference and at a leadership level Left, INC are pretty close. But neither can govern in a manner to satisfy people. SO provide people with a false alternative where people fight at the local level and think they have a change every 5 years.
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ramana wrote:Twitter is agog with this:

Congress Corporator Mer Singh Chaudhary killed Ehsan Jaffri in Guj 2002 riots

Apparently in a conversation with Katju some one revealed this.

It was intra INC fight.

I dont even know if Mer Singh Chaudhary exists?
http://www.mediacrooks.com/2013/02/spur ... STBG6U73r1
In addition to the bellies-ripped story, JK also cites the killing of Ehsan Jafri as a planned attack. It took Meenakshi Lekhi to point out to him that leading the killers of Jafri was not a BJP man but a Congress MLA called Meghsingh Chaudhary.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/in-cu ... der/426607
On Friday, Meghsingh Chaudhary, one of the accused in the Gulbarg Society massacre of 2002, surrendered before the Supreme Court-appointed Special Investigation Team (SIT) along with VHP leader Atul Vaidya.
Among the 70 people who were killed that day was former Congress MP Ehsan Jaffri. In a photograph The Sunday Express managed to get, Chaudhary is seen sitting almost reverentially at Jaffri's feet at a prayer meet on communal harmony held in the 1980s outside Sabarmati Ashram.

The irony is not lost on Saeed Khan—ten of his kin, including his wife, mother, grandchild and nephews, were killed that day in Gulbarg—who points to the photo and says, "The man in the grey safari suit is Meghsingh, and the one with white hair and specs on his left is Jaffri saheb."

Chaudhary's father Rupsingh was Khan's friend, and Chaudhary used to address him as 'Chacha'.

Jaffri, says Khan, helped Chaudhary get a Congress ticket for the councillor's post. "But the second time, Jaffri saheb did not help him," recollects Khan, at his electrical shop on Vejalpur Road. Formerly employed in a textile mill, Khan relocated to the neighbourhood soon after the riots.

"Meghsingh was different in those days. He was not a bad man," Khan says. "His father was a nice man too, we were friends. He would address me only as Chacha. His office was right opposite the gate of Gulbarg Society, where we lived."
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... ga-society
The arrest of Congress leader Meghsingh Chaudhary at the instance of the Supreme Court-appointed Special Investigative Team for his active participation in the Gulbarga Society massacre in Ahmedabad in 2002 confirms what knowledgeable people in Gujarat have for long alleged that many Congressmen enthusiastically joined hands with members of the sangh parivar in the anti-Muslim riots of 2002.

Without doubt, serious problems do arise when politicians decide to use select religious symbols and manipulate religious sentiments of people in order to acquire power. However, history is witness to the fact that religion and politics do not make as lethal a mix as do politics and violence.
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Plea to recuse judge for his daughter's link to Teesta
WEDNESDAY, 20 FEBRUARY 2013 00:19

Aone-time associate of social activist Teesta Setalvad has moved an application in the Supreme Court seeking withdrawal of Justice Aftab Alam from Gujarat riots-related cases. In his petition, Rais Khan Pathan alleged link between Setalvad’s NGO and the daughter of Justice Alam.

Setalvad’s NGO Citizens for Justice and Peace (CJP) is pursuing the cause of justice for riot victims in the apex court. Justice Alam’s daughter Shahrukh runs an NGO by the name, Patna Collective, which is linked to a Netherlands-based NGO, HIVOS. Incidentally, HIVOS funds both Teesta Setalvad and her NGO.

HIVOS, along with Kosmopolis Institute of Netherlands, co-organised a series of papers published in 2010 by “The Promoting Pluralism Knowledge Programme” (PPKP). One paper, “The Idea of Secularism and Supreme Court of India” was authored by Justice Alam. The said paper was presented by the judge in London in October 2009.

Yet another NGO, which is quoted by Khan as a coordinator of the Promoting Pluralism Knowledge Programme and also the London event, is the Centre for Study of Culture and Society (CSCS), Bangalore. Interestingly, the Centre for Study of Culture and Society had coordinated with PPKP working paper No 5 presented by Justice Alam.

This NGO, the application suggested, is also jointly working with HIVOS on a web portal ‘Pluralism.in’ which has as its core team member the daughter of the judge in question. This site has a dedicated section on “Gujarat archives” having a collection of 60 articles of which one is written by Sabrang Communications and Publishing Private Limited, Mumbai, a company run by Teesta Setalvad.

Incidentally, Shahrukh Alam is on the payroll of Centre for Study of Culture and Society as a research fellow under the PPKP. Between July 2008 and March 2010, she received Rs4,45,000 from CSCS as salary, and Rs11,48,680 for her NGO, the application stated.

CSCS has stated on record that these payments were paid from the foreign grants/contributions received from HIVOS and Kosmopolis Institute of Netherlands, the main fund giver and organiser of Pluralism Working Papers 5, 6, and 7. But no funds can be paid to NGO Patna Collective as in the records of Ministry of Finance, it is unregistered and that is why it cannot receive foreign funds under the Foreign Contribution (Regulation) Act 2010. This is the reason why the application raises doubt that the money meant for Patna Collective and Shahrukh Alam could be routed through CSCS.

HIVOS is also an active donor to Teesta’s NGO Citizens for Justice and Peace and to her lawyer Mihir Desai. “HIVOS made direct payments of Euro 10,000 (approx Rs7 lakh) to Citizens for Justice and Peace (CJP) in November 2009. Payment of 10,000 Euros got credited in the account of CJP on November 23, 2009.” This was for her budget to cover expenses incurred on organising meetings and workshops on Gujarat riots cases, including travel expenses.

In addition, Teesta’s lawyer received a direct fund of Rs45,000 and Rs75000 in November 2009. The second component amounting to 1,150 Euros was received from HIVOS into the account of CSCS on November 24, 2009. This was the only payment made by HIVOS to CSCS in 2009.

The applicant, Rais Khan, demanded that Justice Alam must withdraw from hearing the case in the “interest of justice” and “dignity of the institution” as the above facts and circumstances created a “reasonable likelihood of bias”.

“The proximate financial and other links of Ms Shahrukh Alam with institutions, bodies, NGOs and individuals related to the Gujarat riots and various litigations ensuing from there, by their very nature require that Justice Aftab Alam (should) decline to adjudicate the present case,” the application stated, demanding that the same be heard by a bench of which Justice Alam was not a member.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/home/online ... eesta.html
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OS wait a sec, the main accused in Godhra train burning who escaped to Pakistan was once a Corp orator of INC. the Burning happened during Operation Parakram when world powers, Pakistan, WKK were looking for way to ask India to deescalate, many WKK media men and woman were at the forefront of feotus ripping apart story, the godhra train burning occurred 1 day after the UP elections ended and now this, a INC person Involved in Killing Ehsan Jaffri.

The parties in Bed together just boggles the mind and the extent people can go for power
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Some excellent advice from MJ Akbar to his Muslim brethren: Muslims should shed attitude of minorityism, says M.J. Akbar
Veteran journalist M.J. Akbar has questioned the minority status of Muslims, saying they had ruled India for decades and Brahmins were a bigger minority. He called upon Muslims to unshackle themselves from the “politics of fear” and adopt the “politics of development.”
No question as to who would benefit if the Muslim community followed Akbar's advice. The biggest beneficiaries would be Muslims themselves, and then Modi.
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kumarn wrote:Just returned from a trip to Surat. Had the opportunity to visit villages 20-35 kms around Surat. Too bad I did not take pics. Neither I have the Singha ji like flourish to describe what I saw. But I can assure you, a visit to these villages would cure any secular fundamentalist. There is visible prosperity all around. Those villages looked like some Eurpoean villages in prosperity, with clean and pucca roads and india gate style foot paths. My friend of the above variety was transformed after this visit. If we can bring all of our villages to the level I saw in Gujrat, India would be heaven.
Next time you visit, pla take some interviews from locals...

A woman, a farmer, a youth, a school going kid, a school going girl, an old man, an old woman etc.,
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ramana wrote:Twitter is agog with this:

Congress Corporator Mer Singh Chaudhary killed Ehsan Jaffri in Guj 2002 riots

Apparently in a conversation with Katju some one revealed this.

It was intra INC fight.

I dont even know if Mer Singh Chaudhary exists?
This is the video - Meenakshi made some strong points.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/video/pci- ... 50752.html
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Is there any truth/links etc in the allegation that Mr. Jaffery himself was a man of shady character, had in previous riots fired and killed people with his personal firearm and had done the same in 2002?
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Katju is officially a congress drone. He needs to step down from PCI.
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ramana wrote:Twitter is agog with this:

Congress Corporator Mer Singh Chaudhary killed Ehsan Jaffri in Guj 2002 riots

Apparently in a conversation with Katju some one revealed this.

It was intra INC fight.

I dont even know if Mer Singh Chaudhary exists?
I think she was quoting SIT report or some court judgement. I saw the link for it on twitter.
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If Shinde regrets his remarks on Hindu terror at Jaipur INC meet, what was he thinking when he made those remarks to the INC party members? Was he lying or misleading them?
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Meenakshi links Abhishek Verma to Sonia Gandhi on Timesnow
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MARATHON MAN
Narendra Modi is being awaited in Delhi as never before.
By N.V. Subramanian

New Delhi: The situation of 1996 will repeat for the Bharatiya Janata Party after the 2013 or 2014 general elections, not so much in the number of Lok Sabha seats won, which may be more or less (more, according to this writer’s analysis), but in the advent of a popular prime minister following an interval. Back then, in the still quasi-innocent days of few cellphones, fewer news channels and little internet, it was A.B.Vajpayee who took centrestage. This time around, it will be Narendra Modi. Modi’s latest endorser, believe it or not, is the head of the Jamiat Ulama-i-Hind, which has usually rooted for the Congress.

Atal Vajpayee had to go through two tumbles, being prime minister for 13 days and 13 months, provoking honest regrets all around, before he got a proper inauguration in 1999, whereafter, he ran a splendid government. Pre-1999, public opinion was behind him. But the false ideology of “secularism”, made baser by an opportunistic political class, impeded him, till his popularity broke all bounds. Something similar has happened with Narendra Modi, although in his case, his imminent movement from Gujarat to the Centre has united his enemies, who will be overcome. When the time for an idea arrives, no barriers survive.

At their core, and although they are two different men, holding perhaps different worldviews, A.B.Vajpayee and Narendra Modi come packaged as ideas. Ideas animate them. That Vajpayee was an ideas man was evident from his decision to approve the second nuclear test, which gave India the required heft internationally. To that heft, Vajpayee added high growth, brilliant schemes like highway connectivity, low interest rates which prospered industry and made housing affordable to the middle class for the first time, and clean governance, whilst keeping inflation in brutal check, and no wonder, India was a success story. Compared to the nine dreary and wasted years of Manmohan Singh, the Vajpayee era has a golden shimmer. There was something to look forward to, than stare at the abyss of deathly taxes, the calling card of Manmohan Singh and his finance minister. Vajpayee gave Indians the last “feel good” years.

Narendra Modi, like it or not, generates that same thrill. The Gujarat chief minister was an astonishing success at his political outing in the Sriram College of Commerce in Delhi. The young finally found a politician who shared their vision and energy, and they knew his actions counted for as much as his words, Gujarat being a living testimony to his genius, and they were clear they wouldn’t be stopped in their admiration and support for him. Narendra Modi has the vote of the young. The young are harbingers of change, and they will bring Modi to power at the Centre. The middle-aged and older voters will follow their lead. Of this, there can be no doubt.

In the case of both Vajpayee and Modi, it is clear that public opinion cannot be contained. Respecting Vajpayee, the public wanted to give him a decent shot at prime ministership, and it didn’t rest until he got a full term. The vote was both for the BJP and for Vajpayee, in a 40:60 proportion. With Narendra Modi, the sums are more complex. Obviously, he is seen as a BJP successor to Vajpayee, who can build on his vision and statesmanship. The transformation of Gujarat gives the electorate a fair idea of Modi’s potential, and it wants it fully realized by giving him Delhi. In that sense, Modi is Vajpayee II.

But Modi also means a lot to the young for being special in his own way. He is not a complainer. He does things exactly as the young do. Modi is like an entrepreneur who knows how to squeeze the best out of the system. In this, he exhibits very Gujarati traits, but it fits the entrepreneur-driven template of India. Modi is a wealth-creator, precisely what the young seek, and the Gujarat chief minister, unlike Manmohan Singh and other World Bank/ IMF economists who have seized Raisina Hill, is at home with the Indian model, and considers it superior to the West, much as the youth do. In that sense, with his practices and successes, Modi comes across as an outsider, whilst India is tired of the insiders, who have come to be represented by the Nehru-Gandhis in the main.

There are clearly forces at play that no one understands that are propelling Narendra Modi to Delhi. It would be futile to stop him. Like in 1996, many Congress stalwarts are prepared to jump ship. They have opened negotiations with the Bharatiya Janata Party. They want Modi to come and clean up the system. This is bad news for the Congress. Then consider the bureaucracy. After the Indian Administrative Service, the Indian Police Service ranks second in corruption and venality, and because it has so much at stake, it keeps robustly abreast of the current political wind direction. Senior IPS officers are openly talking about an imminent Narendra Modi government at the Centre, and they are a scared lot. Six months ago, this writer was alone to bet that the gates of Delhi would open wide to welcome Modi. That’s happening now. Contrary to the fears of most, however, this writer’s own understanding is that Modi will not be vindictive :evil: , and will single-mindedly strive to be an outstanding prime minister. He will aim to surpass Vajpayee and even Jawaharlal Nehru, and history is on his side.

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Watch out Mumbaites - Modi is going to address a rally next month.
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Muppalla garu: Do you think BJP can win in AP without coalition? IMO, as far as TN goes BJP/NaMo needs coalition - the best bet is JJ; but then then have to pray that she does not do anything crazy. She is going for all the 40 (?) seats in TN. http://www.governancenow.com/news/regul ... -elections. In AP, can NaMo alone pull seats for BJP? AP is an important state with 42 seats.
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SwamyG wrote:Muppalla garu: Do you think BJP can win in AP without coalition? IMO, as far as TN goes BJP/NaMo needs coalition - the best bet is JJ; but then then have to pray that she does not do anything crazy. She is going for all the 40 (?) seats in TN. http://www.governancenow.com/news/regul ... -elections. In AP, can NaMo alone pull seats for BJP? AP is an important state with 42 seats.
I don't think in AP, Modi can pull any seat at all even thought there is a huge fan club. It is a psychologically strife torn state. He has to play it post poll.
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Looks like NaMo and JJ get along well. Atleast on what we've seen so far. But JJ will drop anyone in a hot second at anytime. Unpredictable to the core. But even if they do team up, its a tossup as to how many seats she'll get. The power situation in TN has been and is terrible. She might end up losing quite a few even with a lacklustre dmk.
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Hari Seldon wrote:Just gotta love the India Today snapshot of this story.... BTWm since when did these gutsy ladies become "Modi's firebrand women politicos', eh? I understand MSM is nowadays too happy to include NM's name in their story headlines by hook or by crook since, data show, it leads to a bump is pageviews, FB likes, comments,. referrals etc. But such characterization as done below??
I think we in BRF noticed it before it became obvious to the national media.

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 3#p1374303
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SwamyG wrote: Smriti Irani single placed every one in their place, including Arnab in Arnab's show. Renuka Chowdry tried her bullying tactic, but was ably defended by Smriti. Renuka was left smiling in her defeat. Stupid Arnab tried making lame points. I thought none could answer or challenge Smriti.
One thing that is getting rather obvious. The women folk in BJP have better and faster replies and come better prepared to take on the opponent.
Nirmala Sitaraman is one such lady no person in his right mind would argue against. There is one more lady Meenakshi Lekhi seen often enough on TV, who recently took on Farukh Dhondy and Lard Desai and made them look like idiots. Lawyers and TV personalities have a distinct advantage in TV debates where time is a constraint and catchiing the pulse of the viewer in real time is very important. Sushma Swaraj has done well on Parliament debates.

Comparatively the menfolk are chalta hai or too gentle and just do not come prepared:
Ravishankar Prasad - perhaps the only one who come prepared
Prakash Javadekar - he is a senior member but is always acting eccentric. Kabhi ladte hain kabhi haste hain and the message gets lost.
Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi - More articulate from Hindi speakers POV. Always ready for a good fight but cannot be fielded where legal issues are involved.
Tarun Vijay - mostly speaking on liberal issues
Shahnawaz Hussain - lacks the ability to confront

Daily Pioneer gang is well informed but too much of a gentlemen crowd. Even Kanchan Gupta is entirely unable to come out on top. These should be the ones actually appearing on liberal causes. For more important confrontations these womenfolk should be given more latitude.
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RamaY wrote:Ramanaji

I disagree. ST as a central minister was a disaster. ST as an MP is a disaster. ST as an Indian visiting Pakistan was a disaster (my blog has a post on this - http://bharata-bhuti.blogspot.com/2012/ ... r-inc.html). How can he be an asset to India if he were to be elected as SG? He would have pulled his "universal citizenship" nonsense the moment he gets elected.

An Indian becoming the president of USA will mean nothing, if the individual thinks, works and believes in US self-interests and acts as any other USA president. We have been learning from Bobby Jinxal experience ain't it.

I would rather have any individual from any race in any position as long as he stands for SD world view.
Then we hire him as a lobbyist and a person who represents India in western fora....and gives an impression of India just as the Paki 24 families gave their gora friends in the 60s and 70s.

We need sales and marketing people.
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The BJP needs more such people asserting the obvious: the polarizing folks are the ones making Modi out to be some fearsome demagogue, when he himself hasn't uttered a thing to that end. The mirror needs to be held to them every time they open their mouths. Modi should stick to his governance and growth-focused message, and continue to be portrayed as a mature leader in the mould of ABV. MMS today is in the same position LKA was in 2009 - seen as not sufficiently capable in comparison to his rival NaMo. Yuvraj doesn't have anything to stand on, and his winning depends on BJP finding ways to lose.

The UPA has no one capable of winning the election for them, but their potency comes from the fact that the BJP are both capable of being undermined, and undermining themselves through internal divisions. NaMo needs to repeatedly assert his message of governance and growth in each territory that's crucial to them.
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mahadevbhu wrote: Then we hire him as a lobbyist and a person who represents India in western fora....and gives an impression of India just as the Paki 24 families gave their gora friends in the 60s and 70s.

We need sales and marketing people.
What did he sell?

I am sorry, I do not have any respect or admiration or value for him. May be it is my ignorance.
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ramana wrote:
This is an example of double-speak. This guy is no liberal but a psec fundamentalist.
It's a satire. But the comments are more funnier than the article itself. They just looked at the title and started bashing it without looking at the content.
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RamaY wrote:
mahadevbhu wrote: Then we hire him as a lobbyist and a person who represents India in western fora....and gives an impression of India just as the Paki 24 families gave their gora friends in the 60s and 70s.

We need sales and marketing people.
What did he sell?

I am sorry, I do not have any respect or admiration or value for him. May be it is my ignorance.

he'll sell, "the idea of india" to everyone around the world.....let him.
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Muppalla garu: Do you think BJP can win in AP without coalition?
Well, one way to think about it is, could NM win a seat on an urban area of a state of interest if he were to contest there himself?

For instance, if NM were to contest LS polls in urban centers in MH (say, Mumbai, Nasik, Pune, Nagpur or Aurangabad), I'd wager he'd win big. This is even more true if anything, of K'taka.

AP? In Hyd - maybe.... In say, a Warangal or Tirupati or Vizag or Vijaywada, I'd say he could atbest make second place... there lies the (d)rub. Same story in Kerala too, I guess. He might stand a long shot in Trivandrum maybe but that's about it.... TN - in chennai or coimbattur, a long shot, maybe...

What about WB, Kolkata? I dunno, really. A long shot, perhaps?

Any state where the BJP has been in power before, YES. There's enough org network on the ground to get out the vote.

States of interest now would be WB, Asom, Jammu, Jharkhand Odisha...
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This is a Modi thread, might be OT. But people keep bringing up comparisions and so here goes my take:

Disclaimer : I am apolitical at this point in my life and help anyone that does not go against what I feel is in India's interests.

But not so earlier days. As some of you like Ramanaji or Anand K may know, my last affiliated political party was the BJP and I left the party in '95, though I keep maintaining my contacts of some folks in the party. Till 2004, I was politically indifferent. But since then I pick and choose certain politicans of all parties in Kerala and try to get some things done via them, if they oblige. I sort of work with certain non-community based and national parties of both UDF and LDF in Kerala, in an unofficial (ish) capacity.

I had enough of this miserable Dynasty crap fest, geeky chinese-style appointed Prime minister and wish for a change in 2014, but where I differ from most of you is this: I am ok with either NDA or Third Front, as long as the Dynasty does not exert influence. And I wish a lot of politicians do REALLY well in that election. Shree Modi and Dr Tharoor are two such people, along with others like Shree Jaswant Singh, Shree Kamalnath, Shree Jaitley, Shree Sushma Swaraj, Shree Anthony (yeah, still hope he does the right things), Shree Pallam Raju etc to name a meager handful

I am ignoring RamaY's ignorant rants, because I suspect he is getting way too shrill for his messages (if any) in recent days to get through and he is a liability, if he is actually rooting for NDA. He apparently knows more about Kerala, than me, who have participated in election campaigns for BJP at the district levels. That is also fine, if in his own backyard, Hyderabad, one mian owaisi's leg was converted by someone into wooden ones, like madani's was done in Trivandrum, back in '92. Oh yeah, we were all young at that time but even the elders supported us to the hilt. I can't go further on this topic, but I know a f**king poser when I see one, and you RamaY is one. The last straw was the way you shutdown that sorrowful Delhi rape case thread. Loathsome and puts a lie to all the dharmic stuff you wave around.
ramana wrote:No thats not right. If he had won it would be feather in the cap for India.
ramanaji and sanku-saar, I usually dont explicitly post on politics, as I said above. But from whatever I know of the Kerala scene, there are not many leaders (from the dominant castes) in the horizon, who can project a half-competent appeal at this point. I suspect that is why Dr Tharoor was drafted in by Congress. The same issue is there for the LDF and BJP too, unfortunately. Current Chief Minister is the most incompetent (and disrespected) one yet. After Shree Anthony left for Central Cabinet, the only remaining person, whom I can say, is capable of being a CM from the UDF coalition is the current Speaker.

Here is my assessment of Dr Tharoor as an MP:

Achievements:

- Personally got more IT investments in Trivandrum than the last two governments.
- He did tremendous gruntwork for National Highway widening. Some of us were deeply involved with him as well as the previous CPI MP. The contrast in capability is significant.
- Has done major inputs into the upcoming mega-port project at Trivandrum (vizhinjam). We are talking about core engineering design issues, that he studied and pushed through. Again he checked with some of us and we gladly helped.
- His foreign policy inputs are still sought by PMO and er, other dark glassed chappies (anecdotal, on a need to know basis)
- Has reinvigorated the cultural scene of Trivandrum in his own way, by being patron of some great world class festivals, temple events etc.

Idiotic deeds:
- Kochi IPL fiasco. He was dumb enough to be taken for a major ride. But again the impression one gets is that Shree Lalit Modi, Dr Tharoor, as well as (and this is where I :rotfl: at reading BRF posts) current Gujarat CM were co-ordinating on that affair. There was no corruption investigation, despite his resigning and asking for it. No one is happy, including public is another matter.

pros:

- Though originally thought of as a nancy boy by the local polticios, Dr Tharoor won a lot of respect since he won last elections with record margin (~ 100K) in a difficult seat. Trivandrum's last MP was CPI and the seat fluctuates with thin margins, due to solid BJP presence. The caste equations are quite troublesome, since his own caste votes were not assured

- articulate and can go head-to-head with the best in debates.

- gets things in a jiffy (even over phone or email) and analyzes on his own, a huge deal when it comes to provincial politicians

- easy accessibility. You can still walk into his office or if time is right, walk across to his usual table at Kowdiar's Coffee Day to chat with him.

- great appeal among women voters, as he is considered "a sweet guy, who has brains" :lol:

cons:
- considered a plant of Dilli by even his own caste grouping.
- Despite his often counter-Janpath posts (like cattle class), he is associated with a highly venal administration and Kochi IPL saga is not helping
- considered narcisstic, loves attention and knows how to get it. Trivandrum voters can get tired of it fast
- an embarassing affinity for western traditions. His "let us keep hands to chest during Nat Anthem" is one such
- sort of Chidambaram-ish and does not figure out that not all can get what he is saying.
- some male voters hate him for the appeal among women :)
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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

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Hari Seldon wrote:
Muppalla garu: Do you think BJP can win in AP without coalition?
Well, one way to think about it is, could NM win a seat on an urban area of a state of interest if he were to contest there himself?

For instance, if NM were to contest LS polls in urban centers in MH (say, Mumbai, Nasik, Pune, Nagpur or Aurangabad), I'd wager he'd win big. This is even more true if anything, of K'taka.

AP? In Hyd - maybe.... In say, a Warangal or Tirupati or Vizag or Vijaywada, I'd say he could atbest make second place... there lies the (d)rub. Same story in Kerala too, I guess. He might stand a long shot in Trivandrum maybe but that's about it.... TN - in chennai or coimbattur, a long shot, maybe...

What about WB, Kolkata? I dunno, really. A long shot, perhaps?

Any state where the BJP has been in power before, YES. There's enough org network on the ground to get out the vote.

States of interest now would be WB, Asom, Jammu, Jharkhand Odisha...
But why would it be necessary to win everywhere in India? Even in the land of Lincoln their president cannot win in every state.
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Hari Seldon wrote: He might stand a long shot in Trivandrum maybe but that's about it.... TN - in chennai or coimbattur, a long shot, maybe...
He can potentially win in Trivandrum, but he need not take the risk. It is not worth it.

Like the last NDA govt, they can draft in the Lok Sabha runner-up (Trivandrum's caste balance dont support BJP, for that last few percent of crucial votes) and give a ministry posting. That proved quite frutiful for Kerala (and BJP) in the next election, voting percentage wise
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Read that

"In a curious way, a similar mismatch also confronted Atal Bihari Vajpayee when he was chosen the leader. They were overcome because Vajpayee's popularity far exceeded the support for abstruse ideology. If the opinion polls and anecdotal evidence are any guide, it would seem that Modi is in a far stronger position than Vajpayee was in 1996. He is being propelled upwards by a force far more potent than the organised might of the BJP and RSS. The only thing that can stop Modi is Modi himself.

- Swapan Dasgupta is a Delhi-based political commentator"


Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/nare ... 50408.html

There are clearly forces at play that no one understands that are propelling Narendra Modi to Delhi. It would be futile to stop him. Like in 1996, many Congress stalwarts are prepared to jump ship. They have opened negotiations with the Bharatiya Janata Party. They want Modi to come and clean up the system. This is bad news for the Congress. Then consider the bureaucracy. After the Indian Administrative Service, the Indian Police Service ranks second in corruption and venality, and because it has so much at stake, it keeps robustly abreast of the current political wind direction. Senior IPS officers are openly talking about an imminent Narendra Modi government at the Centre, and they are a scared lot. Six months ago, this writer was alone to bet that the gates of Delhi would open wide to welcome Modi. That’s happening now. Contrary to the fears of most, however, this writer’s own understanding is that Modi will not be vindictive, and will single-mindedly strive to be an outstanding prime minister. He will aim to surpass Vajpayee and even Jawaharlal Nehru, and history is on his side.

Read more at: http://newsinsight.net/MarathonMan.aspx#page=page-1

Clearly there are too many bigwigs rooting for NaMo. These katju's and rss top bosses are nobody in this game.
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Peter: so if he cannot get enough seats on his own in AP and TN, that is 81 seats in no man's land. He wins Gujarat - that is 26 seats. If Odisha stays with Nitish, then pressure mounts on him to get UP and Bihar. Assuming Rajasthan goes his way, Kerala, MH, KA ityadi come into play.

The point is can he win by himself in the era of coalition, or will he have to fall back on alliances. Adding Kerala's 20 seats, just between the three southern states, there are 101 seats. One cannot go into an exam ignoring one fifth of the portion, because the stress to do good is critical in the remaining. WB Is 42, MP is 29, and you begin to see that he has to rely on alliances. Will the public force regional parties to create alliances with BJP?
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