Terroristan - 29 September 2017

periaswamy · Post by **periaswamy** » 28 Nov 2017 23:41

In the past (1980-200x), we used to have the phamous 12-step process for pakistan (credit to my sixth cujjin enqyoobji)-- starting from a "democracy" and ending in a coup, and starting all over again. That was when the paki RAPE class used to be in control of paki democracy and presented the "suave" front for foreigners wearing armani suits and pants.

Now, the political power is with the crowd that has been sending their sons out to die on the paki army's orders, and who are also 400% islamic -- this is why the paki army wants to bring their army-owned-and-paid terrorists like Hafiz Saeed and others into politics, so this time "terrorism is not used as a state policy", which is not necessary when terrorists are the civilian heads of state.

All of this ready capitulation was probably from pressure from thee like of Khadim Rizvi and backed by the pakistani army -- we know this is the case because this past week, the paki army gratuitously inserted itself into the picture as a "neutral umpire" between the government and the mullahcracy.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 28 Nov 2017 23:47

All of this ready capitulation was probably from pressure from thee like of Khadim Rizvi and backed by the pakistani army

Khadim Rizvi is actually taking a "panga" with Army for dictating terms. Watch out what happens to him and his ilks., there will be more protests and/or purges of this Tehreek-e-Labaik party. So!

Either that Army general is Qadiani is true which Khadim hates
or
Army is totally parroting the Wahabi line which is against Khadim's Barelvi designs of celebrating and remembering prophet!

Interesting times ahead!

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 29 Nov 2017 03:20

Newspaper Dismisses US And Chinese Concerns About Political Stability Of Pakistan

International Pressure Mounting

International pressure is building up after the recent rise of the sit-in in the capital. All eyes have been on Pakistan after the ousting of the former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, because it gives rise to the suspicion that political instability is rising in Pakistan and the government is not able to control the situation. With the recent blackout in Pakistan and the government trying to disperse the protestors, the United States of America (USA) and China have been voicing their concerns. These concerns are genuine considering (a) the US fear that "non state actors" might get control of the Bum. (b) And the large Chini financial stake under the CPEC

USA declared that the protests in the country give rise to doubts about political stability of the polity and the ability of the government to take control of the situation. However, as emphasised last time, we would like to reiterate the fact that the matter is not as simple as the USA paints it to be. There are a lot of factors at play in the current scenario and the civilian leadership has been trying its best to manage it in a humane manner. Protests in a country are a part of the political setup and the government machinery is equipped to deal with such scenarios. Trying to paint it as the weakness of the civilian government is a naive assumption and an attempt to make Pakistan look not competent enough to deal with matters at home. In no democracy ( Pakistan calls itself democratic !) protesters determine the course of action of a govt and the Army appoints itself as an so-called "neutral umpire" between the warring parties

The Chinese concern in the matter is the threat to the China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC). While they have a valid concern, the initiative was chalked out keeping in mind the fluctuations in the polity. Pakistan is well aware of the mega investment by China in the process and also of the benefits that it brings to the Pakistani economy. The government will not overlook their concern. But will "Chinese danda" ensure that adequate security is given to the "sweeter than honey and tallel than mountain fliend", and the prized property of Gwadar is not allowed to slip away, no matter what?

At the same, with these concerns rising, the Pakistani diplomats need to focus towards devising a strategy to deal with the doubts of the international actors. The message of "all is well" needs to be shouted by all Paki Diplomats

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 29 Nov 2017 03:32

Pakistanis attacked for celebrating Prophet Mohammed’s (pbuh) birthday in Athens
HEADLINE MISLEADING !!!
Do In Rome, As The Romans Do !!!

Do These Illegal ( and maybe some legal !) Pakis know the history of Greece . Do they not know that the Greeks do not see eye to eye with the fanatic Turks . That the Greeks and the Armenians were completely wiped out by the Ottomans .

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 29 Nov 2017 03:40

Govt watches helplessly as court frees Saeed

LAHORE - The Lahore High Court (LHC) gave an important verdict last week on release of Jamaatud Dawa (JuD) chief Hafiz Muhammad Saeed. The verdict coincided with a lawyers’ rally against the police crackdown on activists of Tehreek Labbaik Ya Rasool Allah staging a sit-in at Faizabad Interchange in Rawalpindi against changes to the declaration of finality of prophethood of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).In a much awaited decision, a Lahore High Court review board finally dismissed government’s plea to extend detention of JuD chief Hafiz Saeed. Court orders for the release of Saeed overshadowed all other cases last week. The three-member board, headed by Justice Abdul Sami Khan and consisting of Justice Sadaqat Ali Khan and Justice Aalia Neelum, passed the order when the provincial and federal governments failed to bring any cogent evidence against Hafiz Saeed. Hafiz Suar, like Maulana Azhar of Jaish is a "strategic asset" of the Paki Deep State !

Officials of the interior, foreign, commerce and finance ministries as well as law officers appeared before the board during in-camera proceedings. Hafiz Saeed was produced in the court amid high security arrangements. No more conjugal visits . "Business" can be done in the safety of the home

Coming out of courtroom, Hafiz Saeed talked to reporters and said, “I am thankful to lawyers and the entire nation for supporting me. It is not only my case; it’s the case of entire Pakistan.” He said, “It is a slap on the face of India, as we have established that Pakistan is a free state.” Hafiz Saeed affirmed India could not cause any harm to Pakistan and Kashmir would soon be free. His supporters showered rose petals on him and chanted slogans in his favour.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 29 Nov 2017 03:47

Emboldened Rizvi Announces Second Round

Allama Khadim Rizvi announces Lahore-Islamabad march on Jan 4

MURIDKE (92 News) – Tehreek Labbaik chief Allama Khadim Hussain Rizvi has announced to launch a march from Lahore to Islamabad on January 4.
Addressing workers in Muridke on Tuesday, he said that the government fired shots and baton charged the workers.“Chief of Army Staff General Qamar Javed Bajwa foiled the government’s conspiracy of bloodshed by playing his historic role,” he maintained.Earlier, the Tehreek-e-Labbaik caravan, which reached Data Darbar Lahore after ending the Faizabad sit-in, was accorded a rousing welcome in different cities. The caravan made stopovers in Jhelum, Sarai Alamgir, Gujrat, Gujranwala, Kamoke and Muridke where a large number of workers showered rose petals on the participants. They also chanted slogans in favor of the Khtam-e-Nabuwwat. Addressing the workers at different places, Allama Khadim Rizvi said that Zahid Hamid’s resignation is the first step towards an end to the evil.

“The public representatives involved in making the amendment will be exposed. However, it not a success to get the workers martyred. I will inform about the future strategy,” he said.He said that the ruling party has lost its dignity. “The blood of the martyrs will not go waste.”Afzal Qadri said that the agreement has been reached with the government. “Shahbaz Sharif will make a big announcement today. We have rejected the government offer to give compensation to the families of the martyred people. The Tehreek Labbaik itself will help the families,” he added. Where is the money coming from ? Is Deep State financing the compensation ?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 29 Nov 2017 04:20

Falijee wrote:Pakistanis attacked for celebrating Prophet Mohammed’s (pbuh) birthday in Athens
HEADLINE MISLEADING !!!
Do In Rome, As The Romans Do !!!

Do These Illegal ( and maybe some legal !) Pakis know the history of Greece . Do they not know that the Greeks do not see eye to eye with the fanatic Turks . That the Greeks and the Armenians were completely wiped out by the Ottomans .

Kufr! Pakis are doing what their all-mama-iqbal goaded them to do:

"Chin o Arab hamaraa hindostaaN hamaara
Muslim hain hum; watan hai saara jahaaN hamaara"

All the world is theirs, which includes yunan! All they were doing was staking their legitimate claim.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 29 Nov 2017 04:59

X Posted on the Analyzing CPEC & OBOR, Chinese Strategy and Implications Thread

Why China is sinking $46 billion in politically unstable, terror-wracked Pakistan

China has moved from its harm offensive at Doklam to a charm offensive of sorts with its ambassador here mentioning that the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor could be renamed if that would persuade us to join the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI).

In May this year the ambassador had said the same thing, but the embassy’s website subsequently removed a reference to it apparently because of the adverse reaction in Islamabad for which changing the name would imply that China was willing to assuage, even if symbolically, India’s sovereignty concerns that are central to its opposition to the BRI. China’s position remains that the CPEC is an economic project, with no bearing on sovereignty issues which India and Pakistan have to settle bilaterally. In May and now again, to demonstrate China’s benign, win-win intentions, the ambassador has proposed a corridor between China and India through Kashmir or Sikkim.

China loses nothing through this sham diplomacy apparently prompted by suggestions from some China experts in India that a diplomatic way out of the BRI impasse would be to re-name the CPEC and render possible India’s participation in the BRI in the future.

A cosmetic change in nomenclature will, however, make no difference on the ground as any corridor between China and Pakistan has to traverse parts of the erstwhile J&K state illegally occupied by Pakistan. This India cannot accept not only for legal reasons but also for what is a strategic move to encircle India in an area where China itself is involved in a territorial dispute with us. China is drawing Pakistan deeply into its sphere of influence not only to continue using it as a weapon against India, but also to challenge the already declining US presence and power on the Asian landmass.

China will not give up the CPEC - no matter what it is called - as it is central to its geopolitical ambitions in Asia and beyond. If it wants to sink $46 billion or more in a politically unstable, terrorism-wracked country that needs financial bail-outs by the IMF or Arab donors and attracts little foreign investment, and, which, moreover, is bent on creating an unfavourable environment for itself by perpetuating conflictual relations with both its direct neighbours, it is for larger geo-political reasons, not economic gain alone.

The China-India corridor through Kashmir that has been aired would supplement the CPEC, and not be an alternative to it. China pretends that these corridors are politically neutral and that it can envisage a corridor through Kashmir without taking any position on India’s sovereignty over J&K that Pakistan disputes. A corridor through J&K would get linked to the corridor through POK and China would conveniently reap a double benefit.

Through this ploy China will solidify its ts grip over J&K on both sides. Even Mehbooba Mufti has backed linking India to the BRI through Kashmir as a rediscovery of “traditional trade routes of Kashmir”.

Actually, what is intended is not any new China-India corridor through Kashmir but linking Srinagar through Muzaffarabad to the CPEC. The CPEC renaming gambit, in seeming disregard of Pakistani sensitivities, may be intended as a pressure point on implementational aspects and subduing voices in Pakistan questioning the project’s benefits.

The propitiatory kite-flying on corridors should be seen also in the context of the Russia-India-China dialogue at foreign minister level at Delhi on December 11 and 12. Russia supports BRI but India has widened its opposition to it by teaming up with Japan and the US to expose its dubious dimensions.

Cheers

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 29 Nov 2017 05:31

‘My kids will not see this mess’: Filmmaker Jami shifting his family abroad over extremists’ win

The 21-day-long sit-in by religious protesters at Islamabad’s Faizabad Interchange finally came to an end on Monday.

The government was forced to accept Tehreek-e-Labbaik’s demands after an operation to break up the sit-in went awry and sparked violent protests across the country.

Though the demonstrations ended, uneasy soul-searching grew among citizens over the government’s capitulation to the protesters’ demands.

While some criticised the military for not “using force against own people” to disperse the violent protesters, others censured the interior ministry for its ‘botched’ operation.

In the entire hullabaloo, filmmaker Jami has decided to shift his family abroad, saying “my kids will not see this mess” as be it the army, the government or Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) chief Imran Khan, all are involved to “burn us all down”.

“…Army GOvt IK they all in it – to burn us all down. My kids will not see this mess. Enough of darkness and waste of life. Eat ur faith,” he tweeted on Monday.

The Moor dircector said he left the United States for Pakistan 20 years ago but “NO more” now.

Whereas some users requested the filmmaker not to lose hope, others agreed with him as it was “better to look after your kids’ future”.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 29 Nov 2017 05:50

Govt likely to raise only $1.5b through Eurubonds, sukuk issuance

ISLAMABAD: The federal cabinet has approved borrowing of up to $3 billion via a Eurubond and sukuk, but the government would “most likely” raise only $1.5 billion, a senior Pakistani government official told Reuters on Tuesday.

Pakistan’s foreign exchange reserves decreased by $137 million to $13,541 million in the week ended November 17, compared with $13,678 million in the previous week, latest central bank data showed.

Cheers

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 29 Nov 2017 06:49

Khadim Rizvi's Power In Pakiland !

Zahid Hamid resigned after army chief’s assurance: Khadim Hussain Rizvi

ISLAMABAD: Tehreek-e-Labaik Ya Rasool Allah chief Khadim Hussain Rizvi said that Law Minister Zahid Hamid had resigned from his post after Chief Of Army Staff General Qamar Javed Bajwa had provided his assurance. Speaking to SAMAA TV exclusively, Khadim Hussain Rizvi said that once Hamid's resignation came through only then did talks began.

He also said that a guarantee was given that the demands of the protestors would be met. The TLYR chief slammed Interior Minister Ahsan Iqbal and Punjab Chief Minister Shehbaz Sharif."Shehbaz Sharif is lying, he was not the mediator in the talks," he said. "Ahsan Iqbal was not at all part of the talks that were held," he added. Strike while the iron is hot

Khadim Hussain Rizvi said that the army offered to be the mediator when the confrontation turned bloody. "We did not trust the word of any government representative to be the mediator," he said. "How could we trust the word of anyone who is referred to as a thief in every nook and corner?"
Khadim Hussain Rizvi said that no representative of the civilian government was part of the talks that were held. To preserve its echendee, the present Ganja Party Govt should resign

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 29 Nov 2017 07:06

Airport Security Force In Isloo Foil Attempt To Smuggle Heroin To The Land Of The Two Holy Mosques Packed In Bags Of Oranges

Man Caught Trying to Smuggle 1kg Heroin From Islamabad Airport

The airport security at Benazir Bhutto International Airport has arrested a suspect who was trying to smuggle 1kg of heroin from Pakistan to Saudi Arabia.The suspect has been identified as Fazal Wahid, who was trying to transport the drug, was arrested by the Airport Security Force (ASF). For every consignment caught, there are probably dozens that made their way to Saudia due to negligence, sifarish , or greasing the palms of the relevant authorities !

The drugs, that were hidden in a bag of oranges, come in various sizes and shapes and are used for smoking, insufflation and injecting. Market segmentation! Different products to cater to different "taste buds"- and that too in the Land Of The Two Holy Mosques !

This is not a new incident for the ASF as multiple bids to smuggle drugs to Saudi Arabia have been busted by the security officials before.In a similar incident, the ASF recovered 786 grams of ice heroin from a Mardan’s resident last month who was traveling to Saudi Arabia.Previously, another drug supplier of Mardan was caught who was trying to smuggle 1kg of ice to Riyadh in a failed attempt. The ASF has captured many criminals in the current year that were trying to smuggle drugs into the Arab country. Some sort of investigative reporting is needed to determine who are the "final consumers" of this deadly product . Idle and rich Saudi Sheiks and Sheikhas , who are hooked on heroin. ( New Year is coming ) or the Aam Abduls of Pakiland , who are living out a slave like existence there !

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 29 Nov 2017 07:24

Ayesha Siddiqa‏Verified account @iamthedrifter
Nov 26

دولہا کے باراتی! آخر اتنے سارے ایک جیسے چہرے ریاض سعودی عرب میں کیوں کر کٹھے ہوئے
Translated from Urdu by Bing

On way of the groom! After all, why were so many similar facial کٹھے in Saudi Arabia Riyadh

Waiting For Raheel At The Conference !

Ayesha Siddiqa‏Verified account @iamthedrifter
Nov 26

A photo speaks more than a thousand words!

"Admirer" With Raheel At The Conference !

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 29 Nov 2017 07:49

With raw-heel in barbaria, sucking up to MBS, I read a report that Iran announced that it will inaugurate the completion of the 1st phase of Chabahar. Having difficulty finding it!. Looks like bakis are between a rock and a hard place..

arun · Post by **arun** » 29 Nov 2017 07:49

X Posted from the Pakistani Role In Global Terrorism thread.

CNN reports that US General, John Nicholson says that senior leadership of Afghan Mohammadden belief based group, Taliban, are living in comfort in the Mohammadden Terrorism fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan on the proceeds of illicit narcotics trade:

Top US general says Taliban 'living in comfort' in Pakistan

habal · Post by **habal** » 29 Nov 2017 07:53

Peregrine wrote:X Posted on the Analyzing CPEC & OBOR, Chinese Strategy and Implications Thread

Why China is sinking $46 billion in politically unstable, terror-wracked Pakistan

hello, how are you. I gave this CPEC deal with pakistan some thought and reached interesting conclusions.

You need to know even arab countries balk at investing in pakistan. There are big 4 accounting firms based in middle east with back office for mid-east operations in India, despite being staffed in mid-east with majority pakistani CA as employees and mid-east ops headed by a pakistani. But blasphemy if they even think about opening a back office in Karachi or Lahore. So it is in this bleak scenario where the Chinese are *investing* in pakistan.

But 'investment' in traditional terms usually means the investor takes some risks because of investment opportunities that investor finds lucrative and he is compelled to make the investment and take that risk.

But the Chinese are taking no such risk but they have signed an agreement with state of pakistan for *guaranteed rate of return*. Any such conditional investment with guaranteed rates of return changes any invesment to a debt or loan status with no benefit to the host and all incentive to the investor

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 29 Nov 2017 07:58

SBajwa wrote:
Rizvi’s followers were responsible for the murder of Punjab Governor Salman Taseer who was murdered by his own bodyguard in January 2011 for suggesting that Pakistanis debate their blasphemy laws. He is one of many Sunni Barelvi clerics that were built up by Pakistan’s military-intelligence complex under the Musharraf dictatorship, and in the years since, as potentially moderate alternatives to Deobandi and Wahabi clerics who had been supported by the Pakistani state under General Ziaul Haq and during the 1990s.
This is battle between Sunnis of two variety (Barelvis and Wahabis)

Barelvis look up to prophet like a Hero and worship him. Wahabis do not worship prophet calling it "shirk" "blasphemy" and had even destroyed the historic places to discourage people for paying homage.

So! Government of Bakistan and their army supports Wahabis., while the majority of the people of Bakistan support Barelvis of this Khadim type! Interesting times ahead.

Despite massive funding by Saudis (most of which was actually redirected to Barelvi and Deobandi mosques by the Pak deep state, till the Saudis wised up), genuine Saudi-style Wahabis are actually still a very small percentage. The real competition is between Barelvi and Deobandi factions (the latter is often mistaken for Wahabis).

arun · Post by **arun** » 29 Nov 2017 08:10

SSridhar wrote:Firms should resist investing in PoK: Seoul - Soumya Pillai, The Hindu
The South Korean government will warn companies planning to invest in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK), South Korea’s Vice Minister for Foreign Affairs, Cho Hyun, said on Monday.

“We have sent out a clear message that these companies must resist investing in the PoK. I was in Delhi at the time and I had told our government to be careful,” said Mr. Cho.

South Korea’s Daelim had showed interest in the Chakothi Hattian hydropower project in Muzaffarabad. It is now reconsidering its decision. Organisations like Asian Development Bank and Korea Exim Bank have in the past refused to finance projects in territory claimed by India.

Kudo’s to our Government if this dawning of wisdom in South Korea was a consequence of an explicit warning that carrying out projects in the part of Jammu & Kashmir illegally occupied by the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan will carry adverse business consequences for South Korean firms in India.

Meanwhile coverage of the statement of South Korea’s Vice Minister for Foreign Affairs, Cho Hyun, that the South Korean Government was dissuading South Korean corporates from taking up projects in the part of Jammu & Kashmir illegally occupied by the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan, by other media outlets:

Times of India:

South Korea tells its firms to stop PoK investments

NewsByte:

South Korea warns its companies against investing in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir

habal · Post by **habal** » 29 Nov 2017 08:12

habal wrote: But the Chinese are taking no such risk but they have signed an agreement with state of pakistan for *guaranteed rate of return*. Any such conditional investment with guaranteed rates of return changes any invesment to a debt or loan status with no benefit to the host and all incentive to the investor

Part 2

So why are the Chinese taking this risk of giving conditional investment aka loans to risky and unstable pakistan when even their arab co-religionists balk at doing so. It may be because the Chinese are confident that the pakistani army will back their loan because the army runs on Chinese equipment and will not tolerate any disruption of spares. As such all Chinese platforms in pakistan's army, air force require Chinese critical spares and support almost every month. The spares need to keep flowing smoothly and Chinese hope to be backed up by pakistan army's critical dependence on it for spares and munition in case the civilian govt renegages on its promise of *guaranteed rate of return*.

Now what is pakistan army's thinking behind supporting this move. As such the army's elitist focus and mindset concludes that civilians are their partners in ruling the country and if they have concluded that the pakistani civilians and political parties have failed in providing stability and the governance required in smooth operation of the army day-to-day affairs then whey not just replace the civilians with the Chinese who will be co-opted to replace the 'corrupt' and 'unreliable' politicians to run the country. As such it makes no difference to the army as an institution whether the civilians rule the country or the Chinese.

It is with this view that the process of mortgaging airports, highways, shipping ports, steel mills to the Chinese for loans is important. Already Plan B has been made by the pakistani security establishment of smooth changeover to Chinese ownership once the debts are defaulted as they will be, by the civilian govt of pakistan.

So future of pakistan is Chinese operations with partnership of pakistani army, with the people of pakistan esp the poor as seen in the protest, the tehreek-e-labaik types, will be the future bonded labour for the Chinese-TSPA operations that will be the future of pakistan. Elections wont matter anymore after CPEC comes into full steam since politicians just control people and not resources. All blame for governance and failure to satisfy public will fall on politicians and all resources will be owned by Chinese. Is this not dream come true for TSPA.

habal · Post by **habal** » 29 Nov 2017 08:15

The pakistani security establishment needs a brief period of rule wherein it can mortgage even the dams, power generating station within these dams, electricty grid, rivers, agricultural land and everything of consequence to the Chinese. So that in future the political rabble do not make any difference. That is most probably the reason why Nawaz Sharif is being shunted away and stage is being set for brief period of military junta and interim govt before elections.

arun · Post by **arun** » 29 Nov 2017 08:34

X Posted.

Slowly and steadily Afghanistan’s ability to resist economic blockade threat by the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan, gains strength.

Close on the heels of the opening of the India-Iran-Afghanistan trade corridor via Cha Bahar port, the Lapis Lazuli Route / Corridor that will connect Afghanistan directly to Europe and completely by passes the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan, inches forward:

Lapis Lazuli Nations To Form Three Technical Working Groups

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 29 Nov 2017 13:59

Guddu wrote:With raw-heel in barbaria, sucking up to MBS, I read a report that Iran announced that it will inaugurate the completion of the 1st phase of Chabahar. Having difficulty finding it!. Looks like bakis are between a rock and a hard place..

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... h-4959524/

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 29 Nov 2017 14:13

I am a little confused.

Not long ago, just four days to be precise, the Terroristani Interior Minister, Ahsan Iqbal said that the "religious parties protesting in Islamabad had 'contacted India', and that the government was investigating the matter".

Two days back, he signed a deal with the same protestors agreeing to all their demands, possibly even going a little bit more, and brokered by the ISI.

Today, the Tehreek-e-Labik-Ya-Rasool-Allah's Emir, Khadim Rizvi said in a startling revelation that shed light on why the government seemed to have capitulated so completely to the protesters, “They [the ISI] told us they will get all of our demands accepted”

Now, the questions in my mind are: Whether the ISI also contacted India? Will the government's investigation also extend to the ISI?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 29 Nov 2017 14:25

Musharraf confirms loudly & clearly that the title of 'Terroristan' that was awarded to his country at the UN is not misplaced.

Musharraf Calls Himself Greatest Supporter of LeT - DAWN

Former president Pervez Musharraf on Tuesday declared that he is the greatest supporter of proscribed militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT).

The declaration of support for LeT, Jamaatud Dawa and its chief Hafiz Saeed, who was recently released from house arrest, was made during a discussion pertaining to Musharraf's recently announced 23-party 'grand alliance' on ARY News programme 11th Hour.

During the talk show, the host pointed out that it will be "an interesting visual" to see Musharraf ─ "enlightened moderation, liberal outlook" ─ sitting next to leaders of parties such as Majlis-i-Wahdatul Muslimeen, Sunni Itehad Council and Pakistan Sunni Tehreek ─ "parties with religious colours."

"You are describing me as a liberal [...] Yes, I am. These are my thoughts," the former president said. "That does not mean I am against all religious parties."

"I am the greatest supporter of LeT and I know they [LeT and JuD] are fond of me," he said.

When asked if he "liked" JuD chief Hafiz Seed, the former president said that he does and that he has met with him.

"Because I have always been in favour of action in Kashmir and I have always been in favour of pressuring the Indian army in Kashmir. This is the biggest force and they have been declared terrorists by India and the US jointly," Musharraf said, explaining his stance.

The former president went on to deny that LeT was involved in the 2008 terrorist attacks in Mumbai ─ an allegation leveled by India and supported by Washington.

Insult to Pakistan's soveriengty

During the interview, the former president said that Washington's statement following Saeed's release last week was an "insult to Pakistan's sovereignty."

Following his release, the US had asked Pakistan to re-arrest Saeed, who has been designated a terrorist by the US Justice Department.

“The Pakistani government should make sure that he is arrested and charged for his crimes,” the State Department said in its statement.

Washington had said that the JuD chief's release sends a "deeply troubling message about Pakistan's commitment to combating international terrorism."

Washington had gone on to warn that if Saeed is not charged for his crimes, "Pakistan's inaction will have repercussions for bilateral relations and Pakistan's global reputation."

"This language is offensive and insults Pakistan's sovereignty... I would never accept this," Musharraf said

"Please do not dictate to us; we have to decide on who is the head of [and] whether he has to be tried or punished," the former president added.

No threat to democracy

The former president went on to say that democracy in Pakistan is not under threat but requires "tailoring" in keeping with the country's requirements.

"We need [to make] amendments to the system, political restructuring, electoral reforms and checks balances."

"We need to tailor democracy and the parliamentary system to Pakistan's requirements and in this the most important matter is the army [...] the army plays a role," Musharraf said.

"The army needs to be included in the checks and balances."

arun · Post by **arun** » 29 Nov 2017 14:32

SSridhar wrote:I am a little confused.

Not long ago, just four days to be precise, the Terroristani Interior Minister, Ahsan Iqbal said that the "religious parties protesting in Islamabad had 'contacted India', and that the government was investigating the matter".

Two days back, he signed a deal with the same protestors agreeing to all their demands, possibly even going a little bit more, and brokered by the ISI.

Today, the Tehreek-e-Labik-Ya-Rasool-Allah's Emir, Khadim Rizvi said in a startling revelation that shed light on why the government seemed to have capitulated so completely to the protesters, “They [the ISI] told us they will get all of our demands accepted”

Now, the questions in my mind are: Whether the ISI also contacted India? Will the government's investigation also extend to the ISI?

Just in case anyone missed the statement of Ahsan Iqbal, the Interior Minister of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan, that Mohammadden belief inspired political parties protesting in Islamabad had “contacted India", and that the government of the Islamic Republic was investigating the matter:

Islamabad protesters 'contacted India', claims Interior Minister Ahsan Iqbal

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 29 Nov 2017 17:13

Power Of Tehreek-e- Labaik

Kidnappers wanted to burn us alive: police officials
Mohammad Asghar

RAWALPINDI: Two police officials who were allegedly abducted by participants of the Faizabad sit-in on Sunday have said that their kidnappers had threatened to douse them in gasoline and burn them alive but changed their minds after the two officials begged for their lives and the government and leaders of the protest reached an agreement.Sub-Inspector (SI) Aslam Hayat and and SI Amanat Ali were beaten and left among the bushes along Sohan Road, where they were found on Monday.“The kidnappers threatened to set us on fire after midnight, but we begged for our lives and assured them that we were not at fault,” recalled SI Ali from his hospital bed at the District Headquarters (DHQ) Hospital – where he and Mr Hayat were abducted from Sunday night.Mr Ali was beaten by plastic-coated electric wires and batons by 10 to 15 people. He is currently under observation, but is expected to be released on Wednesday. Abducted police officials say they were abandoned by kidnappers after govt, protesters reached agreement. Part of the overall plan of mainstreaming Islamic parties

According to a senior police official, although a case was registered against unidentified protesters soon after the two policemen were abducted, an investigation has not begun because nobody has been identified in the FIR and because of the agreement between the government and protesters.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 29 Nov 2017 17:24

Shahbaaz Sharif - A Tacit Supporter Of Tehreek-e-Labbaik - Falls In Line

Shahbaz Sharif orders immediate release of workers of Tehreek Labbaik Ya Rasool Allah

Lahore : Punjab Chief Minister Muhammad Shahbaz Sharif has ordered for the immediate release of leaders and workers of Tehreek Labbaik Ya Rasool Allah who have been taken into custody in protests during the last few days. According to the spokesman of the Punjab government, the Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif has issued this order as a goodwill gesture. Sending the wrong signal . Or saving his own skin

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 29 Nov 2017 17:29

Karachi_Post‏ @Karachi_Post
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Senate to debate incestuous, unconstitutional, adulterous, anti Pakistan agreement between terrorists of Khadim Rizvi and Govt of Pakistan. PPP leader Farhatullah Babar files adjournment motion #Pakistan

Is this going to make any difference to the governance of Pakiland

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 29 Nov 2017 18:01

'Taliban is living in comfort in Pakistan with drug money', says international forces' commander in Afghanistan

NEW DELHI: The Taliban is "living in comfort...with plenty of drug money" in Pakistan said the commander of US and international forces in Afghanistan, reported CNN.

What's more, the commander said Pakistan has yet to take significant action against the Taliban, despite it having been over a 100 days since US President Donald Trump's demand that Islamabad needs to do more in the war on terror instead of providing "safe haven to agents of chaos, violence and terror".

The US, on its part, recently carried out a series of operations targeting Taliban-linked opium production facilities in Helmand province, operations he said cost the Taliban as much as $10 million in revenue, but Pakistan has yet to demonstrate any commitment, said US General John Nicholson, the commander of US and international forces in Afghanistan.

"We have not seen those changes implemented yet...They (Pakistan) identified certain steps that they were going to take. We've not yet seen those steps play out...in terms of changes thus far this year, again, (Trump's) policy was announced August 21, it's now a hundred days late," said Nicholson, reported CNN and Reuters news agency.

The US General was referring to Trump's fire and brimstone speech when he accused Pakistan of sheltering terror groups that try every day to kill Americans.

"We have been paying Pakistan billions and billions of dollars but at the same time they are housing the very terrorists that we are fighting. But that will have to change, and that will change immediately," said Trump in that August 21 address.

It was a speech that made even cynical policy wonks wonder if a change was indeed in the offing when it comes to Pakistan. They needn't have worried. It wasn't.

Blatant disregard of the US by Pakistan is nothing new. Nor is the failure of the US carrot-and-stick policy when it comes to Pakistan, its 'major non-NATO ally'. Because per usual, the US didn't really follow up with stringent punishment since those fighting words in August from Trump about cutting off aid to Pakistan.

Consider that Nicholson's comments come two weeks after news that the US Congress has kept action against the Afghan Taliban - especially the dreaded Haqqani Network - a key condition to reimburse Pakistan for its cooperation in the 'war on terror'.

In fact, so concerned is the US about the Haqqani Network that Congress removed another condition demanding action against India-oriented terror group Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) as well, to be eligible for reimbursements.

"As you've heard our president (Trump) say, as you've heard all of our senior leaders say, we have got to see movement on this reduction of sanctuary and support for those insurgents and terrorists operating from Pakistan who are attacking our forces and our coalition diplomats and forces, as well as the Afghans," said Nicholson, adding that the Afghan Taliban has found sanctuary inside Pakistan since 2001.

The General said Pakistan has been told about these sanctuaries many times before, to no avail.

"The offensive operations against sanctuaries would be in other areas that we've identified with the Pakistani leadership on a number of occasions," he said.

Not only does Pakistan seem to be paying scant heed to US threats, it in fact seems emboldened anew, as can be seen with the release last week of global terrorist and 26/11 Mumbai massacre mastermind Hafiz Saeed.

Sure, the White House slammed Pakistan for allowing Saeed to go free. But that's about it. It couldn't even retain a condition the US Senate was keen to impose on Pakistan in a bill -- action against both the LeT in addition to the Haqqani Network in return for 'war on terror' reimbursements.

"The new version (of the bill on reimbursements) has confined this requirement to the Haqqani network only, indicating a desire in Washington to focus entirely on Afghanistan as long as it takes to subdue the Taliban insurgency there,'' said Pakistan's Dawn newspaper two weeks ago.

From Nicholson's statements it appears Pakistan isn't doing much on the Taliban front either.

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abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 29 Nov 2017 18:41

Lie. PTI workers were among dharna protesters and they were uploading videos on youtube.

PTI workers wanted to join the Faizabad sit-in, says Imran Khan

PTI chairman Imran Khan on Wednesday said his party workers were willing to join the Faizabad sit-in as "the matter had left the realm of politics".

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 29 Nov 2017 18:57

A Pakistani visits Uighuristan:
https://www.geo.tv/latest/167939-inside ... g-province

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 29 Nov 2017 19:32

habal Ji ;

Your two posts - 29 Nov 2017 07:53 & 08:12 - They remind me of the “Lala Pathan” Money lenders who preyed on Mumbai’s Textile Mills and other Industrial Workers.

The Pathans gave a Loan without any collateral and charged their so-called “Anna Rupiya Biaz”

An Anna Interest PER MONTH ON EVERY RUPEE. The Loan took years and years to payoff.

On an occasion where the Debtor paid 100 Annas as the Interest for that Month along with say Fifty Rupees as Repayment of Loan the Pathan would say “Koochi kis ko chahiye Mudal (Repayment of Loan). Hum ko to thoda sa Biyah Dey Do”!

Similarly it is with Chinese Project Loans. Chinese do not want Loan Repayment from Terroristan.. It is the “INTEREST” that is of interest to the Chinese.

I trust that you are aware of the Chinese HAVE FACTORED THEIR LOAN to Terroristan on some of the following Terms :

Pakistan's $100B deal with China: What does it amount to?

1. What Pakistan owes for the next 30 years will be calculated in dollars frozen at the 2013 exchange rate of 97.10 rupees to $1. (The current exchange rate is 105 rupees to $1.)

2. Tom Miller, author of “China’s Asian Dream,” has said that Chinese officials privately admit that they expect to lose up to 80 percent of their investment in Pakistan.

FT Article : How the Silk Road plans will be financed

Conclusions : The Chinese will be Rambling in the Terroristani Rear Gardens of Delights for Generation and more in lieu of Terroristan being unable repay the Chinese “Interest on the CPEC Loans for Eternity and Beyond”. Thus the Chinese say “Deal Blothels We no want Loan Lepayment. Just keep on paying the Intelest!"

Cheers

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 29 Nov 2017 19:43

Hunt for caretaker prime minister starts
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ISLAMABAD: As the political forces because of their incompetence and usual political bickering are preparing grounds for the formation of an interim, national government for a longer period, a hunt has already been started for the next caretaker prime minister.

Those constitutionally assigned -- the prime minister and the leader of the opposition -- to nominate the caretaker prime minister may not be in the knowledge of things, Justice (retd) Wajihuddin Ahmad has already been approached by someone “important” with the request that he should not refuse if offered to become the caretaker prime minister. Informed sources said that a “retired officer” recently approached Wajih with the advice that he should not decline if offered the assignment of the caretaker prime minister. These sources said that the respected retired judge, however, did not make any commitment.

Who will make the offer and who is behind this hunt is not clear as yet, these developments synchronize with the demand of those seeking early elections or predicting that before the March 2018 Senate elections, the present government has to leave. Otherwise, if the present government completes its term, the caretaker set-up will be in place in early June next year to hold the general elections in August 2018.

It is yet to be seen if the present government will be made to leave before its term, however the chances of on time elections are becoming blurred owing to the Senate’s failure. The developing situation, if not corrected by parliament as early as possible, will pave the way for the formation of a caretaker government for a longer period. Such a caretaker government could be given a national look. The News of late reported that in case of delay in the next year general elections owing to the census-related complications that the legislature has failed to address so far, there is no constitutional solution available to decide whether to extend the tenure of the present parliament or that of the caretaker government.

Informed ECP sources had told The News that the census result was bound to delay the next year elections if the proposed constitutional solution pending before parliament was not approved at the earliest. In such a scenario, these sources said that the Supreme Court will be the only authority to decide whether to extend the term of the present government and parliament or that of the caretaker government, which otherwise will have 60 to 90 days tenure.

The ECP is confronted with a situation where the census was held with timing close to the next general elections. The Constitution does not hold any answer to such a situation where elections are to be delayed for want of delimitation and re-allocation of NA seats to provinces on the basis of last notified census.

While the ECP is really worried about the emerging situation, the government and the opposition, particularly the PPP, appear divided on the issue of carrying out required constitutional amendments for holding the next year elections on time. The National Assembly has though passed the constitutional amendment, it is not getting through the Senate because of unavailability of the required number (two thirds majority) of members.

On 29th August last, the ECP had drawn the Law Ministry’s attention to the constitutional questions raised by the census 2017 vis-a-vis the timely holding of the next year elections. However, initially the government acted belatedly and later the opposition parties, despite having passed the amendment from the NA, are not showing any keenness for early passage of the same constitutional amendment from the Senate. Some of the PML-N leaders have been complaining recently that unknown telephone calls had a role in preventing many MPs from voting for this constitutional amendment.

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anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 29 Nov 2017 20:00

Editorial: Has Pakistan surrendered to extremism?
Duh! Yeah!!

Pakistan is not the country it was until mere days ago. (No $hit!)

Has extremism truly gone mainstream? (It was always mainstream) Or was capitulation by each and every institution of the state to a violent mob a last-gasp attempt at salvaging a modicum of stability in order to allow the state an opportunity to regain its composure before it can press ahead with its counter-extremism project?

Pakistan has had to contend with several such inflection points in its recent history.

The decisions made in the aftermath of 9/11 and the US-led war in Afghanistan; the events leading up to and after the Lal Masjid operation; the assassination of Benazir Bhutto; the military operation in Swat; the killing of Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad by US special forces; Operation Zarb-i-Azb in North Waziristan Agency; the Army Public School attack in Peshawar — each of those, and several other episodes have underlined both the fragility and resilience (and uselessness) of this country.(Did someone say 1971?)

This country has the greatest of men, the most remarkable of leaders in the 20th century, as its founding father. Mohammad Ali Jinnah, the best of all statesmen, who knew not hate or bigotry or violence, is the reason this country exists.

Famous surrender documents through history:

https://www.dawn.com/news/1373445/the-l ... o-recovery

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 29 Nov 2017 20:05

2 FC personnel ~~martyred~~ Halalled, 3 injured in Sibbi landmine explosion

According to security officials, an FC team was on a routine sweep in Sangan area of Sibbi when a landmine went off close to its vehicle.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1373606/2-fc- ... -explosion

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 29 Nov 2017 21:54

Wow! Things are Looking Up in Terroristan!

With Dar gone, govt revises its budget deficit upwards

ISLAMABAD: After raising false hopes of fiscal discipline, the federal government on Tuesday admitted that budget deficit in the first quarter of current fiscal year actually stood at Rs431 billion, higher by one-third than the amount announced last month.

The admission came after Prime Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi took back the portfolio of finance minister from Ishaq Dar last week.

“Based on actual data, the overall fiscal deficit for July-September 2017 has been worked out at 1.2% of gross domestic product (Rs431 billion),” said the Ministry of Finance in a statement.

On October 9, the ministry had sparked surprise by claiming that the budget deficit in the first quarter was 0.9% of GDP or Rs324 billion.

The revised 1.2% deficit indicates that like the previous fiscal year the government will miss the annual 4.1% target by a wide margin this year too.

The new reading is roughly 33% or Rs107 billion higher than the earlier figure. Dar had announced provisional data prematurely, though there were indications that the deficit would be significantly higher.

The Establishment Division also notified on Tuesday that Finance Secretary Shahid Mahmood would retire on January 6, 2018 after reaching the age of superannuation.

While deviating from the practice of unveiling a consolidated fiscal operations summary on its website, the finance ministry has released only a press statement.

It has already withheld release of the Debt Risk Management Report apparently because of worsening indicators. The International Monetary Fund has urged the government to release the debt report.

In October, the finance ministry claimed that it had managed to restrict the overall budget deficit to Rs324 billion in the wake of strict controls over federal development spending.

On Tuesday, the ministry said the revised deficit reading came after finalisation of the debt and fiscal operations data of the government. In the first quarter of previous fiscal year, the gap was calculated at Rs438 billion or 1.3% of GDP. The government closed last year with a record deficit of Rs1.863 trillion.

CREATIVE COMMONS

The ministry said the data of revenue receipts and expenditure in the first quarter of 2017-18 had been received from the Auditor General of Pakistan Revenue, Economic Affairs Division (external financing) and State Bank of Pakistan (bank and non-bank).

Civil accounts containing revenues and expenditures of provincial governments have also been received.

The consolidated federal and provincial revenues amounted to Rs1.025 trillion in the first quarter, reflecting an increase of 18.9% over the same period of previous year. Tax collection by the Federal Board of Revenue amounted to Rs765 billion, a growth of over 20%.

Non-tax receipts came in at only Rs114 billion against Rs111.5 billion last year.

Total expenditure amounted to Rs1.466 trillion, of which current expenditure comprised Rs1.241 trillion, said the finance ministry. Development expenditures by provinces and the federal government stood at Rs221 billion in the Jul-Sep quarter.

A spokesman for the finance ministry clarified that the deficit reported earlier was based on daily cash balance reports of the State Bank which did not include financing on account of project aid and financing from National Savings Schemes.

Now, the ministry said, debt numbers from relevant agencies such as the Economic Affairs Division, budget wing, national savings and State Bank had been received and consolidated for the first quarter.

It revealed that the provisional gross public debt increased approximately Rs652 billion in the Jul-Sep quarter. This is Rs221 billion higher than the budget deficit in the quarter, but the ministry did not explain the purpose of taking the additional debt.

The increase in domestic debt in the quarter was recorded at Rs520 billion. Similarly, the external debt showed a provisional increase of approximately Rs132 billion, which was primarily driven by losses on account of appreciation of international currencies against the US dollar and depreciation of the rupee against the dollar.

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anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 29 Nov 2017 22:34

Falijee wrote:

The India-haters rogues gallery. All in one place. Note the smug looks.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 29 Nov 2017 22:37

Peregrine wrote:Wow! Things are Looking Up in Terroristan!

With Dar gone, govt revises its budget deficit upwards

ISLAMABAD: After raising false hopes of fiscal discipline, the federal government on Tuesday admitted that budget deficit in the first quarter of current fiscal year actually stood at Rs431 billion, higher by one-third than the amount announced last month.

Yes, the fine art of sialkoti cooking-the-books accounting is still alive and kicking. Hard to figure out if the new numbers are still made up or actually based on verifiable (oops, sorry, I use the term liberally here) facts.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 29 Nov 2017 23:46

Shias Targeted In Isloo !

Two men gunned down outside Islamabad imambargah

ISLAMABAD: At least two people were killed and four others were wounded when unidentified gunmen attacked an Imambargah in Islamabad on Wednesday, officials said. The Imambargah is located in I-8 Sector of the capital city.According to police, assailant riding motorbikes opened fire on a group of people at the Imambargah after evening prayers and sped away.The injured were shifted to PIMS Hospital for medico-legal formalities.Reacting to the gun attack, Interior Minister Ahsan Iqbal termed the gun attack on Imambargha Bab ul Ilm a conspiracy. Shias are a favourite target in Pakiland . Raheel is a "prime example" - he is overseeing the targeting of the Shias of Yemen on behest of his new boss !

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 30 Nov 2017 00:02

Paki Ayeshas "Almost" Make It To The Top Of The ( worst) List. !

Pakistan ranked 4th on list of worst countries for women

ISLAMABAD – Pakistan is the fourth worst country for women according to recently released rankings of the Women, Peace and Security Index.
Of the 153 countries ranked for women’s inclusion, justice and security, Pakistan was ranked at number 150, with the highest discrimination against women in the world and the lowest financial inclusion. The "Once Upon A Time" PM- In - Waiting Maryam Sharif should take "due note"

Women’s average years of schooling in the country stands at only five years, while only 33 percent of Pakistani women have been found to use cell phones. Only 24pc of Pakistani women are employed, while their share of seats in parliament stands at only 20pc.

The report, published by the Georgetown Institute for Women, Peace and Security in partnership with the Peace Research Institute of Oslo, claims that 1.09 males are born for every female born in Pakistan, which is higher than the 1.05 natural demographic rate, meaning that Pakistanis have a son bias.( A polite way of saying that female infanticide is still practiced in Pakiland )

It also identifies around 500,000 “missing girls” in Pakistan between 2010-15, which indicates that half a million more female children should have been born in the country during the period was it not for the son-bias.It also states that 73pc of Pakistani men do not find it perfectly acceptable for women in their family to work outside their homes. ( the number of 73% , IMO, is probably understated !)