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"At the moment it (policy on FDI in Defence) is 26 per cent. Our Defence Production Policy (DPP) is evolving over the years...But at the moment we feel Indian defence sector is not matured enough...not ready to absorb more FDI in defence sector. We feel that time is not right to further expand it," Antony told reporters on the sidelines of the Navy Commanders Conference here.
Come on.. If not 74% like DIPP has recommended then at the very least least 49% as the bare minimum... Make it worth something for the investors as well to attract investment, facilitate technology transfers, improve defence exports and increase self-sufficiency... I think the fear is that this would stunt the indigenous industries but with 49% its win-win for us.. Gosh!!! I dunno why this guy is sooo resistant to change... maybe its time to change him
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Senior officials at DRDO headquarters reacted cautiously to the news. With a series of changes waiting in the wings following the recent restructuring of DRDO (Aerospace DAILY, May 14), most of the DRDO think tanks are adopting a wait-and-see approach. “Getting additional orders [for] Arjun is definitely a step that will boost the morale of DRDO, considering what we had [been] through over the years,” an official says. “We were sure after the comparative trials that some orders [would] come through.”
When asked whether DRDO was disappointed with the number of tanks ordered, which was less than some had expected, the official says: “Let’s wait and see. The product will speak for itself.”
“This is the best of a bad deal after so many trials and modifications,” former DRDO Chief Advisor K.G. Narayanan tells AVIATION WEEK. “With the current order, the total Arjun MBTs would go up to 248. The order could have been more, maybe 500-plus, but then it is a good sign that an Indian machine has finally proved its battleworthiness.”
India is embracing medium- and long-range precision-strike weapons, short-range directed-energy air defenses and unmanned combat air vehicles as key aspirations for its future arsenal, according to a technology plan expected to be released imminently.
The need for these capabilities is spelled out in the defense ministry’s ambitious Technology Perspective and Capability Road Map 2010, its first effort to provide industry with an overview of what the armed services hope to field by the middle of the next decade. The document’s stated intent is to drive the “technology and development process” of prospective developers, contractors and bidders in India and abroad, and to “provide industry an overview” of ministry aims. The extent to which such desires can be adequately funded, and met by industry, national or otherwise, remains a big question.
Defence ministry's spanking new "Technology Perspective and Capability Roadmap" seems to recognize this overriding necessity, outlining as it does a wide array of high-tech offensive and defensive capabilities Indian armed forces will need over the next 15 years.
Overcome Temptation to buy Arms abroad, says DRDO Chief 5,000 Kms Range Agni-5 to be tested next year
DRDO now Developing Technologies for sub Conventional Warfare http://pib.nic.in/release/release.asp?relid=62091
UNE: Five scientists from city received the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) awards 2009 at the hands of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in New Delhi on Wednesday. The awards are given to commemorate the National Technology Day to DRDO scientists and laboratories in recognition to their contribution towards developing a strong indigenous technology base.
The city-based scientists who were conferred the awards are: K P S Murthy and team from the Armament Research and Development Establishment , Pashan; A Apparao, High Energy Materials Research Laboratory (HEMRL), Pashan; S C Sati, Research and Development Establishment (Engineers), Pashan; Sanjay Eknath Talole, Defence Institute of Advanced Technology, Khadakwasla; and V L Narasimhan and his team, also from the HEMRL.
Murthy and team was honoured for designing and developing Tandem warhead system for third generation anti-tank missile Nag and a new twin-axis gimballed directional warhead capable of neutralising incoming ballistic missiles.
Apparao was presented the award for his contribution to fuel-air and thermobaric explosive technologies as well as development of various explosive-based systems.
Sati’s contributions towards development of electro-hydraulic drive control systems for BrahMos launcher, hydro-pneumatic catapult launcher system of unmanned aerial vehicles , realisation of target launcher and production and technology transfer for Prithvi ground systems and water cannon system fetched him the award.
Talole bagged the award for his work which has given a new direction to the research in guidance and control of aerospace vehicles and is recognised by its application in national and international aerospace programmes.
Narasimhan and his team, which has created and operationalised a massive infrastructure facility for composite propellant processing plant at Nashik in a record time of four years also bagged the award. The facility is expected to go a long way in achieving self-reliance in the critical area of production of solid rocket motors for strategic missiles.
DRDO scientists, engaged in various missile programmes, light combat aircraft, combat vehicles, main battle tank Arjun and submarine projects, dominated the award ceremony.
The awardees
K P S Murthy and team from the Armament Research and Development Establishment, Pashan; A Apparao, High Energy Materials Research Laboratory (HEMRL), Pashan; S C Sati, Research and Development Establishment (Engineers), Pashan; Sanjay Eknath Talole, Defence Institute of Advanced Technology, Khadakwasla; and V L Narasimhan and his team, also from the HEMRL.
AW: Among all the JVs, which are the ones we could look at this year that are sure to deliver concrete results?
A.N.: HAL has 10 JVCs. Out of them three JVCs viz. BAE-HAL Software Ltd., Indo-Russian Aviation Ltd. and Snecma-HAL Aerospace Pvt. Ltd. are fully operational and are making a profit. The other JVCs are in their initial phase of operations and will break even shortly. In the case of Samtel HAL Display Systems Ltd. and Edgewood Technologies Pvt. Ltd., the initial set of products developed is under the testing and proving phase. Deliveries would commence in 2010-11. The HALBIT Avionics Pvt. Ltd., Infotech HAL Ltd. and Tata-HAL Technologies Ltd. is expected to generate profits from the current year. HATSOFF Helicopter Training Pvt. Ltd. will commence operations from July 2010.
AW: What is the latest from the export front? What kind of export targets have you set for this fiscal year?
A.N.: HAL has registered exports of Rs 195 crore during 2009-10 and has set a target of Rs 210 crore for the fiscal year 2010-11. HAL’s exports fall into three categories: supply of aircraft (Dhruv, Cheetal/Chetak, Dornier); supply of spares and services to Aircraft and Engines, which fall into HAL’s production line and supply of work packages. These work packages are supplies over an extended period of time.
Some of the contracts signed last year and the deliveries are underway to earn long-term benefits. They are: a) supply of Honeywell Garett TPE-331-12 Engine. Contract signed in April 2008 for 600 ship sets (projected value 170MUSD); b) supply of Flaperons to Boeing (contract signed in August 2009, value 37.275 MUSD; c) supply of main passenger door for Legacy 450/500 Aircraft (contract signed in December 2009, value 80 MUSD); (d) supply of weapons bay door for P8-I (contract signed in December 2009, value 4.7 MUSD.)
HAL will also be exporting two Dhruv helicopters to Ecuador, three Chetak helicopters to Surname and one Cheetal and two Chetak helicopters to Namibia.
Lockheed Martin will display an aerial refueling device at the forthcoming Farnborough Air Show in July which was developed under contract by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), an Indian company. This makes it the first time an Indian company was involved in a high-technology sub-system development of the F-16 fighter aircraft.
BANGALORE: The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), which caters primarily to the armed forces, plans to upgrade and custom-make its existing slew of biotech products for civilian use. The Life Sciences Cluster at the defence PSU will spend Rs 300 crore for the upgradation of biotech products such as intensive care units, ready-to-eat food products and clothing, which can be worn during nuclear biological chemical warfare. Some of this will be thrown open for civilian use as well, a top DRDO official told ET at the sidelines of ‘Bangalore India Bio 2010’.
“The products which are expected to come out in the next few years will be five times more efficient in terms of cost compared to the imported ones. We will be working in sync with private companies, helping them with technology, setting up assembly lines and aiding quality control,” said Dr VC Padaki, director, Defence BioEngineering and Electromedical Laboratory (DEBEL), one of the laboratories at DRDO.
“The Indian defence sector hopes to have biotech products worth around Rs 300-500 crore over the next few years,” added Mr Padaki.
Several companies have bagged contracts from DRDO to manufacture new products. Pricol, for instance, which manufactures and exports automotive parts, has won a DRDO project to develop critical-care ventilators. These ventilators, which are used in rural government hospitals, are 35% cheaper than the ICUs sold in the market.
“The Karnataka government is interested in buying these ventilators. We have sold it to the Kerala government and few corporate hospitals,” said J Purushothaman, a biomedical engineer working for Pricol Medical.
Companies such as Aeronav Industrial Safety Appliances have recently bagged an order to develop protective apparel for pilots. Some private companies are helping DRDO develop cost-effective indigenous Hapo (High Altitude Pulmonary Oedema) bags that will replace the imported ones used by people in the Ladakh sector.
“Our indigenous Hapo bag costs Rs 1 lakh while as imported bag costs more than Rs 10 lakh and the Army has placed an order for 3,000 of them,” said Mr Padaki of DRDO. SMEs and PSUs like Raksha Polycoats, Bengal Water Proof and Hindustan Metal Industries are also working with the DRDO.
Several small companies such as Bigtec Labs, located at the Entrepreneurship Centre (SID) at the Indian Institute of Science (IISc), have benefited from this DRDO programme. Infact, Bigtec Labs recently received the technology to make laproscopic surgery simulators from the Society for Biomedical Technology established by DRDO.
“These simulation tools help surgeons train themselves on laproscopic surgery, instead of learning it on live patients. We are going to make 25 such simulators in the first year,” Bigtec director J Guru Dutt said. “The machine usually costs $40,000 while the indigenous version is expected to be 50% cheaper,” he added.
DRDO scientists are also researching on new methodologies to defend the country against a range of potentially lethal agents. These projects include nanotechnology-based sensors, unmanned robot-operated aerial and ground vehicles attached with NBC (nuclear, biological and chemical) detection sensors, laser-based detection for chemical clouds, self-contained NBC shelters and hospitals to handle NBC victims.
Indian private companies are treating the new policy with some scepticism. "The MoD has always manipulated policy to favour the defence public sector undertakings (DPSUs), which are the main beneficiaries of the old ToT practice," points out the CEO of a private Indian company that is active in defence. "Throwing out ToT and demanding real R&D will leave the DPSUs in the cold. Then we'll see whether the policy stays or goes.
Is there any better definition of screw driver technology than this? I hope this policy moves forward as it it will mark the death knell of the parasitic DPSUs and the birth of a real Indian MIC. Having two private companies come up with separate prototypes may seem more expensive in the short run but it will lead to mil. tech. independence which is priceless in the long run.
"The new Defence Production Policy is rooted in the MoD’s realisation that its longstanding acquisition model of building weaponry in India, through Transfer of Technology (ToT), has failed to generate indigenisation. Real indigenisation, the MoD now believes, comes from designing weaponry, not just manufacturing foreign designs.
“Look at what has happened historically”, says RK Singh. “The (Indian defence) industries which came up, with some exceptions, are manufacturing products that were designed abroad, not here. Our industry has been in the habit of taking transfer of technology and building on license until the product dies a technological death. There is no expenditure on R&D and no technology absorption. And since the most important components come from abroad, the vendor can turn off the switch any time. If India wants to emerge as a world power, we have to start developing our own products. That is what our industry will have to learn in partnership with the MoD.”
The City-based Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) lab, Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE) has been certified for ISO 9001:2008 Quality Management System standard by M/s LRQA.
GTRE was initially certified in 2002 and subsequently had successful recertifications.
GTRE is involved in the design and development of the Kaveri engine for the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA). The ISO 9001:2008 certification aids in the continual improvement of design and development activities of the establishment.
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Added later DRDO LGB Jag dropping LGB I suppose we have already seen this.
Isnt this old-news, Chacko?
Whats new? Is it in production?
What he is pointing to is the new info about accuracy and reliability of the LGB and a closeup.
BTW it looks like Paveway II style. It looks like a fixed tail unit and a moving nose unit (rotating fins). I dont see any conduit for cables from front to back. The red thing in front is protective cap for the seeker. The length of the nose unit could be for extra battery for long range. Any idea how it compares to Paveway II?
ramana wrote:What he is pointing to is the new info about accuracy and reliability of the LGB and a closeup.
I guess. What misled me earlier is that that parts of the new report and the old one are exactly the same.
“ADE, Bangalore has developed a guidance kit for 1000 lb, laser guided bombs. These guidance kits are designed to improve accuracy of air-to-ground bombing by Indian Air Force. A number of tests have been performed both through simulation and flight tests over the last few years to reach the required performance levels. The bomb, once released, by the mother aircraft at appropriate range, will seek the target and home on to it very accurately and with high reliability. All the necessary on-board components are sourced from Indian industry.
Another DRDO Lab, IRDE has partnered ADE in this project.
Indian Air Force officers have flown the aircraft and released the bombs as per prescribed standard operating procedures
However, Rahul-da is right. The earlier flight tests were conducted in DRDO's ITR near Balasore while the current tests
were conducted at Pokhran.
Misraji wrote:
I guess. What misled me earlier is that that parts of the new report and the old one are exactly the same.
~Ashish.
Ashishji,
Rest assured, I am a jingo first and "so-called" reporter later. You know, I started my own jingoism back in 1998 with the nick BruteGorilla. I know exactly what news has been published, which picture has been seen and from where it came from due to my jingo-reporter combo profile. You will not get a stale news from me*. (* conditions apply)
Due to lack of info on the subject, I had to add the old info, but, for some folks that news is also new and for some refreshing. This is better than, " this testing will raise the alms race in the sub continent. Pajistan fired a 350000000 km missile just 20 minutes back. Pjistan ispokejman said that thij is a diturbing debelopment and pajistan will respond to the latest provocation in a befetting manner. Mean while pajistan has developed new technology tp defeat injun air forge which ncludes lates t fire crackers from chinkistan. In addition to defeating the entire injun airforge, the airial dijplay by da chineze phirebhork bhill also double up aj bhiktory phirebhork."
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chackojoseph wrote:
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" this testing will raise the arms race in the sub continent. Pajistan fired a 350000000 km missile just 20 minutes back. Pjistan ispokejman said that thij is a diturbing debelopment and pajistan will respond to the latest provocation in a befetting manner. Mean while pajistan has developed new technology tp defeat injun air forge which ncludes lates t fire crackers from chinkistan. In addition to defeating the entire injun airforge, the airial dijplay by da chineze phirebhork bhill also double up aj bhiktory phirebhork."
Will you stop plagiarizing from other news please?? ...
Mea culpa though. I thought both the articles were for exactly the same event
while you were reporting two different tests. And the reporters name was not mentioned
in the articles. Chorry.
If I may, was it the Jaguar again that dropped the LGB or some other aircraft?
Are these the final user trials or army-style before-improvement user trials?
Misraji wrote:
If I may, was it the Jaguar again that dropped the LGB or some other aircraft?
Are these the final user trials or army-style before-improvement user trials?
~Ashish
Most probably jag. else they would have mentioned the deviation. The user trials are continuous for all products, jut that the amount of tests vary. Improvements keep coming.
And don't you even challange DDM's like us. We have fundamental right for mistakes and copy newj.
CJ, Has any trial been carried out in the high Himalayas? I don't expect any issues as the object will be traveling below Mach1 so shouldn't have any extra lift issues.
This item truly is a game changer if produced in quantity. I once did calculation of how many sorties, how much area targets measured by sq mts and how many hard targets and how long it takes for IAF to achieve air dominance. I think this item will vastly reduce the time for point targets and the synergy of that will achieve the objective in less than what I had calculated circa 1999.
ramana wrote:CJ, Has any trial been carried out in the high Himalayas? I don't expect any issues as the object will be traveling below Mach1 so shouldn't have any extra lift issues.
This item truly is a game changer if produced in quantity. I once did calculation of how many sorties, how much area targets measured by sq mts and how many hard targets and how long it takes for IAF to achieve air dominance. I think this item will vastly reduce the time for point targets and the synergy of that will achieve the objective in less than what I had calculated circa 1999.
Ramana,
AFIK, this kit has not been tested in winter at high altitudes as the testing began few months back. Also this has been developed from kargil experiences. Similar to what M2K's and Jags had in Kargil. They had this peculiar problem where they couldn't lob into places without coming near to it. It would be ok lob to the nearest possible place from designated distance and deny the enemy space to come out and attack. Once you deny them area, the infantry can move in or aircraft's can move in more closer.
chackojoseph wrote:
AFIK, this kit has not been tested in winter at high altitudes as the testing began few months back. Also this has been developed from kargil experiences. Similar to what M2K's and Jags had in Kargil. They had this peculiar problem where they couldn't lob into places without coming near to it. It would be ok lob to the nearest possible place from designated distance and deny the enemy space to come out and attack.
a very interesting point that was, the LGB's we were using had an operating altitude limit of
~ 20k feet while many of the IAF's targets were above 15K feet. as a result the aircrafts had to come very low wrt to the mountain tops to drop the bombs.
now there's no problem with this limitation for other AF's but for IAF it's a pretty serious one. just goes on to show the myriad problems of using foreign equipment which are designed to foreign requirements and work perfectly well for them but not for our often unique needs.
K_Rohit wrote:The one the Jag is dropping seems different from the close-up. (check the tail units)
The tail has some kind of inflated deployment at tail when it in use I guess. It would help in gliding thus increasing range and better control.
AFAIK, pop up spring loaded wing extensions for increasing stand off range. The extent of extension is set by armourers based on mission requirements. The exercise is akin to fuse setting for desired effects.
It is this type of force multiplier R&D that is required. Long overdue, but atleast its now there.
Rahul M wrote:
a very interesting point that was, the LGB's we were using had an operating altitude limit of
~ 20k feet while many of the IAF's targets were above 15K feet. as a result the aircrafts had to come very low wrt to the mountain tops to drop the bombs.
now there's no problem with this limitation for other AF's but for IAF it's a pretty serious one. just goes on to show the myriad problems of using foreign equipment which are designed to foreign requirements and work perfectly well for them but not for our often unique needs.
RM,
Yep. In addition, the natural defences formed a cavern kind of feature. SO IAF came up with an lobbing trajectory. See the effect of the bomb is not just to kill. If it starts blasting at a friendly place near you, then you had it. Even the rocks get pulverized. The explosion gets on your nerves and few bombs later your senses don't function is optimized Jihadi ways. There is also area denial effect. Infantry can meanwhile move in more advantageous position by then.
some claim the diamondback wing kit of sher khan released from 40,000ft @ near mach1 can glide for 40km. but obviously in that mode only useful against fixed targets using gps guidance. targets of opportunity and moving targets need laser guidance.
tsarkar wrote:It is this type of force multiplier R&D that is required. Long overdue, but atleast its now there.
Second & third that. Next in line should be laser guided artillery shells. Why go for Krasnopol, when we can upgrade existing dumb-shells. Admittedly a more difficult problem than an LGB, but do'able IMO.
Followed by this should be Glonass-cum-IRNSS kits for bombs, shells & Pinaka/Smerch rockets. It seems like there was a recent agreement signed (during Putin's visit) for India to use the Glonass military grade signal. We need to start building dual-purpose kits right away, so that when IRNSS is launched, we are good to go.
LGB photos...is it just me, or are there 2 different LGBs?
The one the Jag is dropping seems different from the close-up. (check the tail units) Check out this link http://www.livefist.blogspot.com/
Also, deja vu? Did we have this same discussion earlier?
You might be right. The tail fins on the unit on the stand are fixed. The one dropped from the a/c has different shape. Most likely the a/c drop one is file photo of the Paveway II gear and not the current fixed fin model.
Yes we did discuss it earlier .
One possibility can be , the one being dropped from the jaguar was photographed when the tail fins were in process of being deployed i.e. not fully extended and of course the fancy paint job does not help either.One can clearly see the slots on the top edges of the tail fin of the one kept on display.
chackojoseph wrote:The tail has some kind of inflated deployment at tail when it in use I guess. It would help in gliding thus increasing range and better control.
AFAIK, pop up spring loaded wing extensions for increasing stand off range. The extent of extension is set by armourers based on mission requirements. The exercise is akin to fuse setting for desired effects.
It is this type of force multiplier R&D that is required. Long overdue, but atleast its now there.
One can see the open ends in the rear fins of the big-bull. Looks like spring loaded wing extensions....
I dunno why this guy is sooo resistant to change... maybe its time to change him 
