Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 01 Dec 2008 22:37

sum wrote:But, if both were Indophile( assuming it means Indian payroll as per ATimes), why would they clash with each other on India's orders?

That did go thru' my mind. But MY read is that these two parties clashed with non-Indo.....s.

I am assuming that the author was in a very bad hurry to write and thus wrote what he wrote.

Dunno, just my guess.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 01 Dec 2008 22:37

vdutta, please repost in the pictures-- aam admi etc thread.

it would be good to have a collection of the vids too.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 01 Dec 2008 22:39

Indeed these jokers looks so timid , so US summons PA and ISI chief any time it wants on USN A/C ?

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 01 Dec 2008 22:40

arun wrote:A revelation to me that some Jewish people are so opposed to Zionism that they refuse to have anything to do with the Israeli Flag and State but yet live in Israel :

Last update - 13:44 01/12/2008

Family of Mumbai Chabad victim rejects official Israeli memorial

Haaretz

There are section of the ultra orthodox (Haredi), such as Chabad, the people who ran Nariman House who believe the state of Israel can not be legitimately founded until the messiah returns - but in the meanwhile its good to live in the holy land. They drive secular and reform/conservatives Jewish Israelis crazy.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 01 Dec 2008 22:42

<I>I will make the US complicit by originating a similar email from Los Angeles!</I>

In other words, "Guantanamo, Here I Come!"

kobe · Post by **kobe** » 01 Dec 2008 22:43

Murugan wrote:
Those MF's were starting false fires in rooms just to mislead the thermal imagers.
why did they put the hotel rooms on fire during the day time? to mislead the thermal imagers?

you are jumping to the conclusion that the porky pigs know the difference between day and night !

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 01 Dec 2008 22:46

Johann wrote:There are section of the ultra orthodox (Haredi), such as Chabad, the people who ran Nariman House who believe the state of Israel can not be legitimately founded until the messiah returns - but in the meanwhile its good to live in the holy land. They drive secular and reform/conservatives Jewish Israelis crazy.

The Lubavitch spokesman on WNYC radio today said that their reaction will be to go about and specially do good deeds in response to the hatred; that while they look traditional, don't go by stereotypes, they believe in fully engaging modernity while retaining their Jewish identity and religiosity.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 01 Dec 2008 22:49

Look at the body language of the two jokers, two small bwanas at mercy of massa.

Which is why I had stated that there is no need for India to send army to the front.

The US has already started derating ISI, India needs to put just enough pressure to make it move faster.

ISI and terrorists are the chicken or hen confusion. Removing one will kill the other (ISI will exist for other reasons, but not for terrorism).

vsudhir · Post by **vsudhir** » 01 Dec 2008 22:50

Titbit frm India Today claiming MH govrmand may have had precise intel about the sea route.

On Nov 27, the man who has relentlessly and ruthlessly pursued terrorists in his own state had telephoned Deshmukh and Dy CM RR Patil and expressed a desire to visit the city but was told to defer it until the operations at the Taj, Trident and Nariman House were over. Modi would perhaps have gone by Deshmukh’s advice had the Maharashtra CM, not long afterwards, not tried to inject some needless politics into it.

Already under attack for fiddling while his showpiece city burnt, Deshmukh was further riled by news reports which said his government sat on tip- offs from Gujarat intelligence agencies which warned about the likelihood of terrorists using fishing trawlers and such like to enter Mumbai via the sea route. The reports were rubbished by Deshmukh and his aides at the Mantralaya, who said the warning from the Gujarat authorities were very general in nature and the inputs contained no specific information that could have averted this tragedy.

An incensed Modi then dispensed with protocol and arrived in Mumbai and headed for the Trident.

Outside the hotel, he virtually taunted the Maharashtra government by announcing Rs 1 crore each for the three slain top Maharashtra police officers — as against the Rs 5 lakh that the Deshmukh government gave.

Link

Pranay · Post by **Pranay** » 01 Dec 2008 22:51

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7758651.stm

Muslims refuse to bury militants
By Zubair Ahmed
BBC News, Mumbai

The militants targeted the Taj Palace and a number of other sites

Indian Muslims say they do not want the gunmen killed by the security forces during the attacks in Mumbai to be buried in Muslim graveyards.

Community leaders believe the militants cannot be called Muslims because they went against the teachings of Islam and killed innocent civilians.

One leader said the militants had "defamed" the religion.

Nine militants died when they stormed targets in India's financial capital, killing at least 172 people.

'Unprovoked'

In what is perhaps their first openly defiant act against "Islamic terrorism", Muslims in India have decided they will not allow the militants to be buried in Muslim graveyards anywhere in the country.

These terrorists are a black spot on our religion, we will very sternly protest the burial of these terrorists in our cemetery

Ibrahim Tai, president,
Indian Muslim Council

They said that they could not believe that the assailants, who they said had "killed innocent civilians unprovoked", were true followers of Islam.

Ibrahim Tai, the president of the Indian Muslim Council, which looks after the social and religious affairs of the Muslim community in India, said that they had "defamed" his religion.

"They are not Muslims as they have not followed our religion which teaches us to live in peace.

"If the government does not respect our demands we will take up extreme steps. We do not want the bodies of people who have committed an act of terrorism to be buried in our cemeteries.

"These terrorists are a black spot on our religion, we will very sternly protest the burial of these terrorists in our cemetery," he said.

Other Muslim groups have written to their local assembly representatives to say that if the authorities force the militants to be buried in a Muslim graveyard, they too will come out on the streets in protest.

The council move found some support in Mumbai.

One Muslim housewife, Ruksana Sayeed, said: "We Muslims do not even kill an ant, our religion does not teach all this, we are against all these terrorists and I completely agree with the Muslim Council's argument."

However, Naseem Ahmed, a Muslim worker in the city, said the council was wrong.

"They are Muslims and they can be buried even if they have done something wrong. Our religion does not say that those who have done evil can't be buried in a cemetery," he said.

The gunmen held dozens of people hostage in two luxury hotels and a Jewish centre for over 60 hours before they were killed by commandos.

India is believed to have the world's largest Muslim population after Indonesia.

anishns · Post by **anishns** » 01 Dec 2008 22:54

Isn't it too early to bury the pigs!
Have they done the post-mortems

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 01 Dec 2008 22:55

Austin wrote:Indeed these jokers looks so timid , so US summons PA and ISI chief any time it wants on USN A/C ?

It is ONLY after the summons that the ISI got a new and "moderate" head and last week or so they closed down the section of ISI that spied on Paki politicians.

Next step: close down the units that deal with terrorism.

That has to be done by those within the ISI that are open to such an idea - clash of the titans. Easier said than done.

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 01 Dec 2008 22:59

NRao wrote:
Austin wrote:Indeed these jokers looks so timid , so US summons PA and ISI chief any time it wants on USN A/C ?
It is ONLY after the summons that the ISI got a new and "moderate" head and last week or so they closed down the section of ISI that spied on Paki politicians.

A day later Pakis denied that the political wing of ISI was closed

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 01 Dec 2008 23:03

Our esteemd Chief Minister V S Achuthanandan offering Shraddhanjali to late Major Sandeep Unnikrishnan

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 01 Dec 2008 23:08

India has right to protect itself: Obama

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 01 Dec 2008 23:12

milindc wrote:
NRao wrote: It is ONLY after the summons that the ISI got a new and "moderate" head and last week or so they closed down the section of ISI that spied on Paki politicians.
A day later Pakis denied that the political wing of ISI was closed

Did they? That escaped me. I do recall them retracting ISI moving under civi rule, but this is new to me.

Like I said I am waiting for the day they, with a very straight face on CNN, saying "ISI does not exist".

Anyways, I am not worried. As long as kids are being killed on their western front I can sleep well. This is a problem that others need to solve too - Japan, SK, Land of Oz and our good friends the Kiwis - all need to speak up NOW.

All aboard.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 01 Dec 2008 23:14

Austin wrote:India has right to protect itself: Obama

GO BO.

Karkala Joishy · Post by **Karkala Joishy** » 01 Dec 2008 23:15

krishnan wrote:
'If it had not been (Major) Sandeep's house, not even a dog would have glanced that way.'

This was how Kerala [Images] Chief Minister V S Achuthanandan heaped scorn on Monday on the family of NSG Major Sandeep Unnikrishnan, who was killed in the Mumbai terror attack during commando operations, igniting a controversy after smarting under the snub from the father of the angry officer when he went to Bangalore to offer his condolences.
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/dec/01m ... -house.htm

What exactly was the father angry about so as to kick the CM out?

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 01 Dec 2008 23:18

NRao wrote:
Austin wrote:India has right to protect itself: Obama
GO BO.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......................

Sovereign nations have the right to protect themselves, US President-elect Barack Obama said on Monday, when asked if India could follow
the same policy he advocated during his election campaign — of bombing terrorist camps in Pakistan if there was actionable evidence and Islamabad refused to act on it.

Although Obama said he did not want to comment on the specific situation involving India and Pakistan, his tacit endorsement of New Delhi adopting the same policy was circumscribed by two caveats: first, let the investigators reach definite conclusions about the Mumbai carnage, and second, see if Pakistan will follow through with its commitment to eliminate terrorism.

BO has gone farther than even where I thought he would go!!!! XMas came early this year.

Does anyone know who asked that question? TIA.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 01 Dec 2008 23:20

Yes.. this bush-mush isi-pisskie days are over.. Does it take Obama's wisdom to realize that we had the rights, and will have rights for billion years to come.

What more MMS team is waiting for!.. IMHO, Ask Obama's weapons and infrastructure support to bomb the targets. Let the target acquisition system get all the possible coordinates.

Obama's mission is to move out of IRAQ and go after Afghanistan.. This is important for bases to expand in Afghanistan. We need expand our mil setup in afghanistan, so that pakis will find it difficult to say "we have to move our 1,00,000 troops from afghan borders..

Corner these !#@$%#!s

animesharma · Post by **animesharma** » 01 Dec 2008 23:21

Mumbai: FBI team gets down to business
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/dec/01m ... siness.htm
The IB says that there is no specific brief for the FBI. The FBI will study the case and analyse the evidence that is available with the Mumbai ATS. Apart from this they would also lend their expertise to the Mumbai ATS for this investigation.

So, FBI running kind of parallel investigation??
What do they intend to achieve. their past record ins't attractive.

India has right to protect itself: Obama

I don't have high hope as both india and US seems to have separate interests behind the curtain.
Can any one compare US official statements made after Parliament attack and mumbai attack.

animesharma · Post by **animesharma** » 01 Dec 2008 23:24

SaiK wrote:Yes.. this bush-mush isi-pisskie days are over.. Does it take Obama's wisdom to realize that we had the rights, and will have rights for billion years to come.

What more MMS team is waiting for!.. IMHO, Ask Obama's weapons and infrastructure support to bomb the targets. Let the target acquisition system get all the possible coordinates.

Obama's mission is to move out of IRAQ and go after Afghanistan.. This is important for bases to expand in Afghanistan. We need expand our mil setup in afghanistan, so that pakis will find it difficult to say "we have to move our 1,00,000 troops from afghan borders..

Corner these !#@$%#!s

What have US achieved after Afghanistan and Iraq Bombing. they are still fighting.
indian economy isn't that big to absorb such long deployments as done by US.

animesharma · Post by **animesharma** » 01 Dec 2008 23:27

Karkala Joishy wrote:
krishnan wrote: http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/dec/01m ... -house.htm
What exactly was the father angry about so as to kick the CM out?

Frustration against the dino-descendant breed called politicians. his stand is well understood, if any of your kin die, you will think of a reason to blame. Luckily he found politicians to blame fore. he might have read news regarding media live telecast mis-management.

Manu · Post by **Manu** » 01 Dec 2008 23:30

Manu wrote:This whole thing has gone completely out of hand now.....

(1) There is still no word as to what happened to the initial estimates of 20 terrorists. I have a gut feel that some are on the run and are, at this very moment, hiding in Nagpada, Agripada, or Dongri...take your pick. I have ZERO trust in this Sarkaar and the Police Set up in Maharashtra. They will NEVER admit to the facts that the Paki terrorists received Local Muslim help.

Here we have TOI(let), in their own special way, telling us that people "from a particular community" may have helped. As if that was not obvious from the get-go.
Mumbai locals helped us, terrorist tells cops

Mumbai locals helped us, terrorist tells cops
30 Nov 2008, 0006 hrs IST, S Ahmed Ali, TNN
MUMBAI
Did some Mumbai locals provide support to the Pakistani terrorists? Azam Amir Kasab, the only Pakistani terrorist nabbed alive, has revealed names and addresses of at least five people from the city who helped the terror operation. Sources said that help like, providing shelter, taking them around and showing places, passing information on police stations and nakabandhis were given by these locals. Joint commissioner of police (crime) Rakesh Maria said,"We suspect there could be local assistants but it is subject to verification. It will be very premature to comment on this at this stage as our investigations is going on.''
Kasab has told police that they were sent with a specific mission of targeting Israelis to avenge atrocities on Palestinians. This was why they targetted Nariman House, a complex meant for Israelis. Sources said Kasab's colleagues killed in the operation had stayed in Nariman House earlier.
"They have stayed in Nariman house on rental basis identifying themselves as Malaysian students.'' said a source. Police are trying to find out how Nariman House rooms were given to non-Jews. Police has taken all the records books of for verification. The second target was the CST railway station because casualties would be high.
Crime branch has also recovered several fake identity and credit cards from the belongings of dead terrorists. "All the cards are in different names and of different banks. Now we are at least trying to figure out how they procured credit cards from various banks.'' said Maria. The recovery of so many cards with different names have led Mumbai police to suspect the involvement of ISI.
Though Maria maintained only 10 terrorists had sneaked in, the two blasts in taxis in Wadi Bunder and Vile Parle have led the police to believe there could be possibility of the presence of another two or more terrorists in the city.

animesharma · Post by **animesharma** » 01 Dec 2008 23:31

Hiten wrote:Our esteemd Chief Minister V S Achuthanandan offering Shraddhanjali to late Major Sandeep Unnikrishnan

'If it had not been (Major) Sandeep's house, not even a dog would have glanced that way.'

This was how Kerala [Images] Chief Minister V S Achuthanandan heaped scorn on Monday on the family of NSG Major Sandeep Unnikrishnan, who was killed in the Mumbai terror attack during commando operations, igniting a controversy after smarting under the snub from the father of the angry officer when he went to Bangalore to offer his condolences.

And someone told me these breed of politician had near-human thinking capability

.
Mr. Unnikrishnan deserves the applause. He did a very Right thing.

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 01 Dec 2008 23:33

Manu, just wanted to say thanks for the media monitoring job youve been doing on these threads.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 01 Dec 2008 23:35

animesharma wrote:
SaiK wrote:Yes.. this bush-mush isi-pisskie days are over.. Does it take Obama's wisdom to realize that we had the rights, and will have rights for billion years to come.

What more MMS team is waiting for!.. IMHO, Ask Obama's weapons and infrastructure support to bomb the targets. Let the target acquisition system get all the possible coordinates.

Obama's mission is to move out of IRAQ and go after Afghanistan.. This is important for bases to expand in Afghanistan. We need expand our mil setup in afghanistan, so that pakis will find it difficult to say "we have to move our 1,00,000 troops from afghan borders..

Corner these !#@$%#!s
What have US achieved after Afghanistan and Iraq Bombing. they are still fighting.
indian economy isn't that big to absorb such long deployments as done by US.

duh!~..

see what I mean where we need to establish, and what. btw, does our economy has the power to absorb mumbai terror and many other losses? it takes a great thinking to realize.. anyways. thanks for your understanding.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 01 Dec 2008 23:35

Manu wrote:

Here we have TOI(let), in their own special way, telling us that people "from a particular community" may have helped. As if that was not obvious from the get-go.
Mumbai locals helped us, terrorist tells cops
Mumbai locals helped us, terrorist tells cops
30 Nov 2008, 0006 hrs IST, S Ahmed Ali, TNN
MUMBAI
Did some Mumbai locals provide support to the Pakistani terrorists? Azam Amir Kasab, the only Pakistani terrorist nabbed alive, has revealed names and addresses of at least five people from the city who helped the terror operation. Sources said that help like, providing shelter, taking them around and showing places, passing information on police stations and nakabandhis were given by these locals. Joint commissioner of police (crime) Rakesh Maria said,"We suspect there could be local assistants but it is subject to verification. It will be very premature to comment on this at this stage as our investigations is going on.''
Kasab has told police that they were sent with a specific mission of targeting Israelis to avenge atrocities on Palestinians. This was why they targetted Nariman House, a complex meant for Israelis. Sources said Kasab's colleagues killed in the operation had stayed in Nariman House earlier.
"They have stayed in Nariman house on rental basis identifying themselves as Malaysian students.'' said a source. Police are trying to find out how Nariman House rooms were given to non-Jews. Police has taken all the records books of for verification. The second target was the CST railway station because casualties would be high.
Crime branch has also recovered several fake identity and credit cards from the belongings of dead terrorists. "All the cards are in different names and of different banks. Now we are at least trying to figure out how they procured credit cards from various banks.'' said Maria. The recovery of so many cards with different names have led Mumbai police to suspect the involvement of ISI.
Though Maria maintained only 10 terrorists had sneaked in, the two blasts in taxis in Wadi Bunder and Vile Parle have led the police to believe there could be possibility of the presence of another two or more terrorists in the city.

This is what POTA is meant for

animesharma · Post by **animesharma** » 01 Dec 2008 23:37

We will takeover pakistan very soon:Taliban
http://broadband.indiatimes.com/toishow ... 780906.cms

sunnyP · Post by **sunnyP** » 01 Dec 2008 23:41

from ndtv -

Where have the missing terrorists gone?
Dharmesh Thakkar, Nitin Gokhale
Monday, December 01, 2008 11:04 PM (Mumbai)

Two days after the terror attack in Mumbai ended, there is confusion over how many terrorists came to the city as the initial estimate was much higher.

On November 27, 2008 Maharashtra Chief Minister Vilasrao Deshmukh said that there were over 20 terrorists.

"We believe there were 20-25 terrorists," said Vilasrao Deshmukh, Chief Minister, Maharashtra.

Once the operation ended, the numbers changed.

While on November 29 state's Deputy Chief Minister R R Patil said nine terrorists were killed and one captured.

So far 10 terrorists have been accounted for so far:
# 1 killed, 1 captured in Girgaum Chowpaty on the 26th night
# 2 were killed in Oberoi-Trident on the afternoon of the 28th
# 2 were killed in Nariman House in Colaba on the 28th evening
# 4 were killed in the Taj Mahal hotel encounter on Saturday morning

However, investigators say off camera that the numbers do not add up.

Sources say the arrested terrorist Ajmal Qasab has admitted that 29 people were trained in a camp and 12 were commissioned to this mission. The group came by boat and dispersed. Six groups of two men each.

Investigators believe the men took taxies after landing at Gateway of India. Ten men would have needed at least three vehicles.

Two cabs were involved in explosions in Vile Parle and Wadi Bundar which leaves one unaccounted for.

Intelligence sources say there may have been two modules for south and north Mumbai. There is no account of the module that went to the north.

animesharma · Post by **animesharma** » 01 Dec 2008 23:43

SaiK wrote:
animesharma wrote: What have US achieved after Afghanistan and Iraq Bombing. they are still fighting.
indian economy isn't that big to absorb such long deployments as done by US.
duh!~..

see what I mean where we need to establish, and what. btw, does our economy has the power to absorb mumbai terror and many other losses? it takes a great thinking to realize.. anyways. thanks for your understanding.

Sry i misunderstood your point.
Beside your latter point of deputing indian troops in AFGANISTAN is a good . A full out war with porkistan won't yield much.Only time based strategy can defeat them.
GOI is a little short of thinking.

Luxtor · Post by **Luxtor** » 01 Dec 2008 23:58

pradeepe wrote:
shyamd wrote:US masses naval-air-marine might in Arabian Sea opposite India, Pakistan, Iran
So this is from Debka, but if true, is there any reason, why this isnt similar to the 7th fleet steaming into the BoB. To hand out white and pink water lilies of course. Nothing sinister.

If this true then the Americans massing their fleet(s) in northern Arabian sea, i.e. opposite of Pukistan is only to prevent Indian Navy from deploying there to effect a maritime blockade of TSP. The Frenchies did the same thing with their naval fleet when India mobilized forces after the Puki attack on Indian Parliament. So this latest Mumbai attack, even with their citizens murdered by Puki terrorists is not going to move the Americans finally to abandon the Pukis or even turn up the heat other than just lip service. I'm afraid the American thinking on Pukistan is fundamentally flawed and their logic is so rotten and moth eaten, that they'll never see the truth. The Pukis know this well and usually take good advantage of it. The Pukis prey on their (westerners in general) ignorance about global terrorism, especially the Puki inspired variety. It's amazing how the Pukis escaped totally unscathed after after 9/11/2001 attack on the U.S. which originated from Pukistan, many Puki army & ISI people were involved such as wiring money to the 9/11 terrorists; most of Afganistan was under Puki control via Taliban during that time. No matter what the evidence is or the logic is the Americans will never see it

joshvajohn · Post by **joshvajohn** » 02 Dec 2008 00:14

When Indian government is trying to point out the link between the terrorist groups who operate within Pakistan with those who attacked Mumbai, the Pakistan government is trying to link Indian claims with their government. Thereby they wish to sensationalise the Pakistanis and prepare them for a war. Pakistan is not coming with clear hand to say ok we will get rid of these camps, bring to justice those who are directly responsible and supported these attacks.

This is the evidence in a way Pakistan government or their intelligence or advisors tend to support indirectly those terrorists and thus protect them!!!!!

This is what has happened against Western forces and even against any non-Islamic nation including China thus protect their terrorist brothers rather than bring them to justice and remove them from their own society. In spite of the bombs that kill their own Pakistanis, i do not think the democratic leaders understand the manipulative role of ISI and advice of military personal and also of other advisers in this regard.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 02 Dec 2008 00:14

RajeshA wrote:BBC is going to show some background about the apprehended terrorist in a moment from Faridkot, Pakistan.

RajeshA, any new information in the program ? if so can you post here ?

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 02 Dec 2008 00:17

Luxtor wrote:If this true then the Americans massing their fleet(s) in northern Arabian sea, i.e. opposite of Pukistan is only to prevent Indian Navy from deploying there to effect a maritime blockade of TSP. The Frenchies did the same thing with their naval fleet when India mobilized forces after the Puki attack on Indian Parliament. So this latest Mumbai attack, even with their citizens murdered by Puki terrorists is not going to move the Americans finally to abandon the Pukis or even turn up the heat other than just lip service. I'm afraid the American thinking on Pukistan is fundamentally flawed and their logic is so rotten and moth eaten, that they'll never see the truth. The Pukis know this well and usually take good advantage of it. The Pukis prey on their (westerners in general) ignorance about global terrorism, especially the Puki inspired variety. It's amazing how the Pukis escaped totally unscathed after after 9/11/2001 attack on the U.S. which originated from Pukistan, many Puki army & ISI people were involved such as wiring money to the 9/11 terrorists; most of Afganistan was under Puki control via Taliban during that time. No matter what the evidence is or the logic is the Americans will never see it

I guess there was a news item about US Naval systems hacked into Indian Navy during that time.

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 02 Dec 2008 00:28

EDITED
Oh, this is india...not TSP where there are rogues! So this kerela CM will live to insult another martyr.

I do hope that all dogs in TSP glance toward the Kerela CM & think of him as one of their own.

saumitra_j · Post by **saumitra_j** » 02 Dec 2008 00:30

I guess there was a news item about US Naval systems hacked into Indian Navy during that time

Sorry mate but as far as I know, the Indian Navy is not networked - I am not too sure what the US would have hacked in into!
Let us not be paranoid - we should look at dismembering the Pakis without having to fight any war - Let the Americans kill them dogs in FATA or where ever - IMHO our strategy should be intelligence backed targeted harrassment and a plan to break up Pak - e.g. increasing funds for those fighting for an independent Sindh and Baluchistan is a better way to ca$trate the PakJabis than to risk an all out war which will cause significant collateral damage. If you go by what's there in B Raman's book, we were close to achieving it until the idiots following the Gujral doctrine wrecked it!

EDITED

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 02 Dec 2008 00:33

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 02 Dec 2008 00:35

Hiten wrote:Our esteemd Chief Minister V S Achuthanandan offering Shraddhanjali to late Major Sandeep Unnikrishnan

Yes CM Sahibs dogs were not allowed to visit Major's house by his proud father .

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Dec 2008 00:36

Need to first fix the local loopholes. I still didnt understand why MKN is continuing as NSA. He and the babudom havent taken all the stopes they could. Tee MHA is the second most powerful bureaucrat after the Cabinet Secy. As NSA, MKN had direct contacts with IB, RAW and CBi and other unknown agencies. The info that there were two warnings in Novemeber itself without any action taken shows there was massive command failure starting from NSA. Patil is a knwon winp. What about MKN? Why did he not do all that is within his powers?

He is truly rthe National Insecurty Adviser for India.