Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Jan 2010 00:27

Maybe these guys want reservations in IPL for the Paki players sort of WKK quota?

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 20 Jan 2010 00:32

That will be next

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 20 Jan 2010 00:37

IPL and Pakistani Cricket players

Pakistan cannot blame India for IPL, non-state actors did it

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 20 Jan 2010 00:49

shiv wrote:Do I see a hint of fear on BRF of more terrorism because Paki players were not selected?

Shiv-ji, I have to give it to you

Rupesh · Post by **Rupesh** » 20 Jan 2010 01:03

RHONA DHONA by a kanadian paki

Zardari’s government has allowed Pakistan to be a veritable playground for Blackwater/Xe, US Special Forces, a much-expanded US embassy ‘staff’ and complex (mimicking Iraq’s Green Zone), and the trigger-happy controllers of aerial drones. Collectively, these boys with their deadly toys will wreak further havoc in the country.

Furthermore, cowing before the demands of the US and the western world to ‘do more’ has been unprecedented under Zardari. He has effectively given a blank cheque to the Americans, while unprotected ordinary Pakistanis are left to face the fallout from his and the military’s commitment to wage US’s ‘long war’ (Pentagon’s language for the ‘war on terror’).

Beyond the internal dimension, external forces are imposing other indignities. One such xenophobic measure on which an edict was passed almost immediately following the failed bombing attempt over Detroit concerns travellers to the US from Pakistan and 13 other states. Respectable people from these ‘bad’ lands, seen as ‘people of interest’ from ‘terror-linked’ states, will now be singled out for additional scrutiny and invasive security checks.

In addressing the consequences of the Christmas Day event, Obama missed an opportunity to mend fences with Muslims around the world by taking a fresh approach. Instead, he chose to take an old page from Bush and the neoconservative’s white book of militarism.

Remarkably, this current state of instability has provided ample grist for the mills of western military planners and think tanks to dream up a host of scenarios: from imagining Pakistan’s demise to the destruction of its nuclear assets.

One such scenario has the Canadian military preparing a contingency plan to contain street battles in the provinces of British Columbia and Ontario whose cities are predicted to be in flames — courtesy of the conflict scenario that has Canadians of Pakistani and Indian descent at each other’s throats (Toronto Star, Oct 17, 2009).

The Canadian military planners expect that Pakistan will collapse by 2016, and the territory will be occupied by India. Sound bizarre? Not so to the security analysts in Ottawa.

Downhill for Pakistan?

rajkumar · Post by **rajkumar** » 20 Jan 2010 01:08

harbans wrote:This item is getting sidelined here.. the news of 5 paki's swapping boarding passes to the flight to manchester. Is there not a security loophole here. Once in the dep lounge or transit area, only boarding passes are checked and no photo ID check is carried out. What prevents half a dozen jihadi's swapping boarding passes at a transit terminal at say Singapore or HK with the intention to board a certain route say to US or India? Like 5 Jihadi's arrive from Timbuktu (lax security) to Singapore enroute, and 5 Paki's from Kraachi also arrive there. They exchange boarding passes and the timbuktu folks head to Y place where the Kraachi guys initially obtained easy visas and a quick back to kraachi transit (so not caught), while kraachi jihadi's get explosives and stuff in cologne/ perfume bottles and board for destination Mumbai or New York..just thinking aloud really.

Airlines are very aware of this loop hole and have been for a while. Which is why in London they photograph passengers when issuing the boarding pass at the check in desk and then this is compared to the person who is boarding the plane at the boarding gate.

This is currently being done at London Heathrow, don't know about other airports.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Jan 2010 01:13

A more elaborate scheme would be two different passengers with same name exchanging boarding passes in transit hubs. Photo Id wont be of use unless the ticket number is also verified.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 20 Jan 2010 01:21

a_bharat wrote: No question of appeasement -- just be wise; I said they should have been kept out of IPL without badly humiliating them. The humiliation should be in smaller doses until we are confident of our internal security apparatus.

krithivas wrote:It is not clear to me that:
1) an open exposure to India, and the prospect of monetary benefit, would impact Pakistani cricketers to have some loyalty to India;
2) Nor would the frustration and anger of being unable to participate & prosper in India would turn them into "Erin Brokovich of Pakistan" fighting against the feudal power structure that led to such a terrible isolation.
. India seems to be making another "tactically pleasing but strategic mistake" by denying access to Pakistani cricketers, India (IMO) is helping RAPE class to fortify because of a hurt H&D and missing a potential opportunity to "confuse and divide".

R. Krithivas

Reading such posts reminds me the reason behind "cowering in dark corner yindoo" joke. What next, "India should stop arresting or killing Pakistani terrorists because killing them lowers our stature and robs the rich Pakistanis and their friends from the chance of seeing how barbaric these terrorists really are"? We should stop terrorist acts by sending negotiators, books of Gandhi and if all else fails, massive dossiers.
Events of last 63 years haven't been enough for you guys yet ?

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 20 Jan 2010 01:22

President for modernising society by adopting latest technology (APP)

The President said that there was a need to go in for e-banking, so “ I am talking about the coming of tomorrow, and the people who oppose us did not understand Shaheed Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, Mohtarama Benazir Bhutto. They do not understand that I am moving towards that direction and what may come, I will follow what I have promised on the grave of Mohtrama Benazir Bhutto Shaheed.”

The President said that “lawyers were the new hope of Pakistan, new hope of our generation and hope of continuity of Bhuttoism”.

He said, Pakistanis are extremely courageous people, and remember our young soliders lying in front of tanks, with mines on their chests making sure that Lahore would not fall to the enemy.

“We have faced judicial murder of Saheed Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, we have survived the martyrdom of Benazir Bhutto. I reiterate that we will survive, democracy will survive, Pakistan Peoples Party will sruvive.”, he added. The President said, “It is not just I who stood in front of the then Prime Minister,the then President, the dictators, it is all of us, it was all of us who stood agaisnt them. Today we will stand up against every challenge. We are standing agaisnt the extremist mindset which was trying to take Swat away from us and we are trying bring the world together.”

The President said when i referred to the great Marshal Plan for Pakistan I meant what I had been promised and we had a dialogue with the world; the First World and Bibi Sahiba and myself held that dialogue. We were promised a Marshal Plan for Pakistan and I am still looking for it. I am still asking the world to have a dialogue; the concept of making friends of democratic Pakistan is to engage the world in a dialogue for Pakistan.”

The members of the delegation lauded the role of President Asif Ali Zardari for the supremacy of constitution, rule of law, curbing terrorism and improving economy and politcal stability. They assured the President of their full support.

So dus-percenti goes to a legal forum and guess what he rambled about? Everything except for anything related to 'law'. We have Bhuttoism, tanks, mines, chests, enemy, judicial murder, martyrdom, survival of Pakistan, martial plan...

The dude is senile!

Karna_A · Post by **Karna_A** » 20 Jan 2010 01:23

It's a purely business decision, not a political one.
Only the players are excluded due to Business reasons.

For example Wasim Akram is still the adviser to Kolkata Knight Riders (KKR).
http://article.wn.com/view/2010/01/10/K ... sim_Akram/

Rupesh · Post by **Rupesh** » 20 Jan 2010 01:25

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 20 Jan 2010 01:27

The ticket number can be specially inked on the arm or any visible body part of Paki to be verified at the door of boarding Gate/Plane . This Mark of Paki should remain obviously open for Security people to verify the identity any time till the flight safely depart to its destination. Otherthing Airline Security can do to isolate Pakis is allocate specific seas t to them so they remain under the constant watch of passangers while flying. If they can have boarding preferance for Disable travellers at the airport then its perfectly justified to bring terrorism spreading Paki under similar umbrella.

animesharma · Post by **animesharma** » 20 Jan 2010 01:27

Mind you folks, Pakistan has a great fan base for IPL. The sponsors do know this fact.

It would be interesting to see if they still telecast IPL3 in Pakistan. I guess they will,may be they will not.

Pakiland media will clear the mist in a day or two.

If this auction is politically motivated, It further isolates pakistan in international arena. The simple message being propagated is "pakistan" is not a good business Idea. I believe after initial rona-dhona they will do nothing.It isn't first time they have been insulted. US has a masters in insulting this marshal nation, and after every insult comes a phase of rona-dhona (and media bashing of Indian non-state actors) and then the phase of contradictions, which is a time when they give it a rest.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 20 Jan 2010 01:28

Rupesh wrote:*deleted*

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 20 Jan 2010 01:48

wrong thread. this is not the place to discuss India's COAS.

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 20 Jan 2010 01:49

India tells US: we're willing to boost Afghan aid (Reuters)

India is already one of the biggest donors in Afghanistan. But its influence -- with more than $1 billion in aid from highway construction to new consulates -- is viewed with suspicion in Pakistan. "India indicated a willingness to contribute more," said a senior U.S. defence official, briefing reporters after the talks with Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Foreign Minister S.M. Krishna.

The U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said India's offer would not expand aid to new areas and "was caveated with: if ISAF and the United States think it would be helpful."

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Jan 2010 01:50

From Deccan Chroncile, whose owner also owns Deccan Chargers:

IPL shuns Pak playersJanuary 20th, 2010
By Our Correspondent Tags: Indian Premier League's, IPL, Kieron Pollard Shane Board, Mr. Lalit Modi, Pak, players, World Cup Mumbai, Jan. 19: Pakistani cricketers who were anxious to play in the Indian Premier League’s season-3 found no takers among the eight franchises at the auction in Mumbai on Tuesday in which Trinidadian Kieron Pollard (Mumbai Indians) and New Zealander Shane Bond (Kolkata Knight Riders) were the top picks.

Across the border, a political twist is being given to this IPL snub with Shahid Afridi, a leading T-20 exponent, complaining bitterly, “The way I see it, the IPL and India have made fun of us and our country.”

The IPL commissioner, Mr Lalit Modi, said on record that it was apprehension over the actual availability of Pakistan players that was the real reason for the franchises not considering the Pakistan option.

While there is far more to it than meets the eye in the obvious snub to Pakistan cricket, it is clear that the BCCI may be acting to save itself from any potential embarrassment a year before the 2011 World Cup (50 overs) in which Pakistan, originally one of four joint Asian hosts, has not been allotted any matches.

The BCCI fear is that not only will Pakistani players’ participation in IPL lead to pressure to renew cricket relations in the form of bilateral series of matches but could also trigger talk of that country being given back World Cup matches to host.

The truth of the matter is no country’s team or individual cricketers are willing to tour Pakistan in the aftermath of a terror attack aimed specifically at a cricket team in March 2009 in Lahore when the touring Sri Lankan team bus was ambushed at Liberty Circle.

The season’s picks are short not only on Pakistanis but also Australians, of whom only two were signed on, that too at the rock bottom $100,000 (Damien Martyn) and $50,000 (Adam Voges), obviously under instructions from Rajasthan Royals skipper Shane Warne. Given the tensions over the attacks on Indians Down Under, it is possible to interpret that souring relations may have had something to do with the auction being light on Aussie picks.

But, again, Mr Modi stressed that player availability rather than international relations was the reason for IPL teams not viewing Australians seriously this time. Cricket Australia has also made it tough for its players to seek IPL contracts as No Objection Certificates are given only sparingly.

Besides Pollard and Bond, those who profited most from Pakistanis and Australians not being the flavour of the season are the Deccan Chargers acquisition in the emerging West Indian fast bowler Kemar Roach ($720,000) and Delhi Daredevils pick in the South African left arm quick Wayne Parnell ($610,000).

So it wasn't like its being portrayed.

animesharma · Post by **animesharma** » 20 Jan 2010 01:58

PCB to take up IPL snub with BCCI

The PCB chief said after the auction he constantly tried to get in touch with Modi but his efforts went in vain.

"He is not answering my calls. But we will take up the matter with the Indian board," Butt said.

Sources within the PCB said initially Butt had taken the issue very lightly but became serious about the matter when the players and some government officials contacted him to convey their disappointment at the snub.

a_bharat · Post by **a_bharat** » 20 Jan 2010 02:00

jamwal wrote:
a_bharat wrote: No question of appeasement -- just be wise; I said they should have been kept out of IPL without badly humiliating them. The humiliation should be in smaller doses until we are confident of our internal security apparatus.
Reading such posts reminds me the reason behind "cowering in dark corner yindoo" joke. What next, "India should stop arresting or killing Pakistani terrorists because killing them lowers our stature and robs the rich Pakistanis and their friends from the chance of seeing how barbaric these terrorists really are"? We should stop terrorist acts by sending negotiators, books of Gandhi and if all else fails, massive dossiers.
Events of last 63 years haven't been enough for you guys yet ?

|Edited: You aren't reading my post correctly.| All I was saying was that the Paki cricketers should have been kept out of IPL in a more graceful way. It would have been much better if Indian Govt said Paki players will not be allowed to play in India until Pakistan acts against the perpetrators of 26/11 terror attacks.

krithivas · Post by **krithivas** » 20 Jan 2010 02:03

The quoted text is an incorrect characterization: India must be relentless in pursuit of a single minded goal - The rebirth of term "Indian Subcontinent", and the eventual sunset of "South Asia". This will require Pakistan to submit within the orbit of Indian influence. This will require for India to use both disproportionate force when required (eradicate terrorist camp at will at will), and apply balm (provide aid, create NGOs etc. etc.) when required.

This role of India as a net preeminent provider is my vision. This will also require India to enlist as many possible detractors within its camp of influence, and this requires investment (i.e., giving), with the tacit understanding that some investments will fail while some will pan out. IPL is a missed opportunity IMO for no other reason than the first paragraph.

This is how BIG powers behave. India at a minimum imitate - Hit hard when needed, and apply balm as required. Doing nothing will never sunset South Asia.

R. Krithivas

jamwal wrote:
a_bharat wrote: No question of appeasement -- just be wise; I said they should have been kept out of IPL without badly humiliating them. The humiliation should be in smaller doses until we are confident of our internal security apparatus.

krithivas wrote:It is not clear to me that:
1) an open exposure to India, and the prospect of monetary benefit, would impact Pakistani cricketers to have some loyalty to India;
2) Nor would the frustration and anger of being unable to participate & prosper in India would turn them into "Erin Brokovich of Pakistan" fighting against the feudal power structure that led to such a terrible isolation.
. India seems to be making another "tactically pleasing but strategic mistake" by denying access to Pakistani cricketers, India (IMO) is helping RAPE class to fortify because of a hurt H&D and missing a potential opportunity to "confuse and divide".

R. Krithivas

Reading such posts reminds me the reason behind "cowering in dark corner yindoo" joke. What next, "India should stop arresting or killing Pakistani terrorists because killing them lowers our stature and robs the rich Pakistanis and their friends from the chance of seeing how barbaric these terrorists really are"? We should stop terrorist acts by sending negotiators, books of Gandhi and if all else fails, massive dossiers.
Events of last 63 years haven't been enough for you guys yet ?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Jan 2010 02:10

And get blamed for politicising the "Game".

Meanwhile KSgaru pours water on Tamasha!

SOURCE

Talking about talks
What about the risk of terrorist attacks?
by K. Subrahmanyam

The Pakistani leadership, liberals, civil society organizations and influential media personnel on both sides of the border have been urging India to recommence the composite dialogue process snapped after 26/11. Many of them, particularly the Pakistani leadership, never tire of pointing out that the refusal to restart the dialogue amounts to playing into the hands of terrorist elements, and commencement of the dialogue will strengthen the hands of the democratic government in Pakistan.

Others argue that there is no alternative to dialogue and the Government of India will have to reopen the process sooner or later and, therefore, why not do it earlier. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has said that once the state of Pakistan gives up the use of terrorism as state policy, India will start the dialogue. His statement implies that he is not persuaded that Islamabad has given up its policy of using terrorism as an instrument of foreign policy. The Prime Minister has also added that he receives intelligence regularly about the plots to unleash terrorist attacks on India. Home Minister Chidambaram has disclosed that with the help of US intelligence, many possible terrorist attacks have been foiled in the last one year.

An American analyst, Daniel Markey of the Council of Foreign Relations, has raised a very pertinent point not figuring in the debate in the subcontinent. He argues that any resumption of the dialogue between India and Pakistan increases the risk of terrorist attacks on India and has made a number of policy recommendations to the US government in regard to the policies to be pursued by Washington. There can be no doubt that this will be a very relevant consideration for Delhi in considering the reopening of the dialogue, how much the risk of terrorist attack will be raised by that move. This should, in fact, be a valid consideration for Pakistan as well.

Daniel Markey has dealt with the consequences of such a terrorist attack, the likely Indian and Pakistani responses and Washington’s options.

In the light of this, will it not make sense for Delhi to discuss with Pakistan the risks of threats likely to arise if talks are to be resumed and the joint action that Pakistan is willing to undertake with India in that event? These talks can be at the level of the NSA of India and his analogue in Pakistan. Pakistanis argue that they themselves are victims of terrorism and they have initiated military action against the Pakistani Taliban and, therefore, their bona fides should not be doubted. Obviously, the Pakistani actions so far have not created adequate credibility in Delhi. For this, there are very valid reasons, and it is a pity that these are not discussed in the media debates of either country.

The best-known victim of terrorism in Pakistan was former Prime Minister and leader of the Pakistan People’s Party Benazir Bhutto. The elected Pakistani Government approached the United Nations to appoint an enquiry panel to go into the circumstances of her assassination. The UN has appointed a panel with Ambassador Haraldo Munoz of Chile, Marzuki Darusman, former Attorney-General of Indonesia, and Peter Fitzgerald, an Irish police officer. The panel is now in Pakistan. While President Zardari and General Musharraf (retd), among others, appeared before the panel and gave their depositions, it has been refused access to Army officers and those belonging to the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI).

Here is a government which moves the UN to set up a panel to enquire into the assassination, as it believed that the country’s own enquiries earlier conducted were not credible. And when the panel arrives in Pakistan it is unable to order its Army and intelligence officers to depose before it. This happens in respect of the terrorist assassination of the tallest leader of the ruling party and the wife of the present President. According to the earlier versions, the assassination was carried out on the orders of Baitullah Mehsud, the leader of the Pakistani Taliban, who has since been killed in a US drone strike.

Pakistanis highlight that their Army is fighting the terrorist Pakistani Taliban. Why then are the Pakistan Army and the intelligence network fighting shy of deposing before the UN panel? If the Pakistan Government cannot discipline the Army to depose in a case of assassination of the ruling party’s leader what credibility does that government has in fighting terrorism?

While Pakistan is maintaining that the Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) was banned in 2002, the FBI of the US has filed its indictments against David Headley and Tahawwur Rana that they were financed by the LeT to carry out the reconnaissance which ended in the 26/11 attack in Mumbai. The US President has named the LeT as one of the five organizations which have to be disrupted, dismantled and defeated. While Pakistanis talk of the Army’s campaign against the Pakistani Taliban, one does not hear anything about its actions against the LeT. Nor has Pakistan reacted to David Headley being brought into the 26/11 case and the US court indictment of co-conspirators who are LeT members resident in Pakistan

These issues relate to the basic credibility of the Pakistani claim that they are fighting terrorism, and the relationship between the elected government and the Army. The inability of the Pakistan government to make available witnesses from the Army and the intelligence network to the UN panel would indicate that the Government of Pakistan had been overruled by the Army. Such an action humiliates the Pakistan government before the UN and the international community. Presumably, that is not a major concern for the Army nor could it care less that its refusal to appear before the UN panel will lead to adverse inferences in view of the letter written by Benazir Bhutto before her death that she feared for her life due to the likely actions of certain individuals associated with the intelligence network and named in her letter.

The Army went on public record on its dissatisfaction with the Kerry-Lugar-Berman Act extending aid to Pakistan, though the US legislation was finalised after elaborate discussions with the Pakistan government with the Army being kept informed fully. Washington had to dispatch Senator John Kerry to meet the Army Chief and mollify him. The US Secretary of State held her longest discussion in Islamabad not with the President, the Prime Minister or the Foreign Minister but with the Army Chief and his Intelligence Chief. It is in the light of this reality the US Congress has asked for half-yearly certification from the US Secretary of State on the Army-government relationship in Pakistan.

In a country where the Army can overrule the government, with whom should another sovereign government conduct negotiations? This is the problem facing the Indian Prime Minister. In any case, before recommencing the composite dialogue let us start with the joint assessment of the increased risks of terrorist attacks that will arise for India if the dialogue is restarted. India should invite Pakistan for such a discussion.

James B · Post by **James B** » 20 Jan 2010 02:11

harbans wrote:At least in Europe and India (where I have this experience), they cross check passport against boarding pass before the passengers are let into the plane. I think this has been a standard procedure for a while.

Who does it? the airline girls at the counter in the baggage check in area, not the security guys. And i am referring to major transit airports like S'pore, HK, Bangkok. Once thats done the passengers mingle with other passengers flying to other transit areas. Even this attempted/ swap was caught just due to CCTV camera's. In these major transit areas once you arrive (assuming you're transiting onwards), once you've cleared the security, the boarding gates are all mixed. Just exchange passes and move onto the aircraft at boarding passes. Check Dubai, Singapore, HK all have the same procedure.

No sir, even in the transit airports, boarding pass is cross checked against passport or some other photo ID just before they let you in for boarding apart from thorough checking that is done at the time of check-in.

Added later: The only caveat if there is exchange of boarding passes with same name as Ramana sir has pointed out.

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 20 Jan 2010 02:13

^^ bharat, what India did was invite the pakis at IPL auction where they come with inflated ego as world champions and dreams of 72*10k dollars ...while they were having their fantasy, they suddenly woke up with a kick in da musharraf...this came as a shock, then it dawned on them that they were thrown as a used condom...that is why all this rona dhona

but no worries, in a couple of years they will get used to it...
On one side India has "Aman ki asha" then few days after we have "IPL Tamasha"... it does not get more insulting than this...i mean kicking the world champions in da musharraf ...telling them that you are not fit for playing in IPL

this has shattered their dreams...but pakis can host Jinn Discount League in pakistan....

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 20 Jan 2010 02:15

a-bharat
^^^ And you don't understand that it is very important for people of this nation to respond for the wounds of last 62 years.
Yes, it may sound petty but it is important for "the good guy" to be able to respond once in a while and niceties be damned.
It may not be pragmatic and it may have repurcussions but this is a relief after that bloody Aman ka Tamasha which was a like tightening gag around our necks. First you hurt us year after year, day after day and then we have to make peace with you.
I want to humiliate them. that is the least I can do after the damage those psychos have done to me and my nation.

Let us have our little catharsis

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 20 Jan 2010 02:23

Ironical at best, The illgetimate father of illegtimate Bum , De Dhanna Dhan.

http://www.thepakistaninewspaper.com/ne ... p?id=15741

LAWHORE, Jan 19: The Federal Government filed a petition at the Lahore High Court on Tuesday, seeking a ban on the free movement of nuclear scientist, Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan. The petition stated that the liberty granted to Dr. Qadeer is a threat to national security. It has been alleged that the nuclear scientist has shared sensitive information with the international media.
Earlier the High Court had granted permission to Dr. Qadeer to live as a free citizen. The federal government has appealed that the scientist be kept under constant surveillance by authorities and a security escort be assigned to him.
The court has issued notification to Dr. Abdul Qadeer for January 25.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Jan 2010 02:26

Jarita wrote:a-bharat
^^^ And you don't understand that it is very important for people of this nation to respond for the wounds of last 62 years.
Yes, it may sound petty but it is important for "the good guy" to be able to respond once in a while and niceties be damned.
It may not be pragmatic and it may have repurcussions but this is a relief after that bloody Aman ka Tamasha which was a like tightening gag around our necks. First you hurt us year after year, day after day and then we have to make peace with you.
I want to humiliate them. that is the least I can do after the damage those psychos have done to me and my nation.

Let us have our little catharsis

a_bharat and others it might be useful to read about Axelrod and his theory of Evolution of Cooperation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Evolut ... ooperation

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 20 Jan 2010 02:32

Ramana-garu,

got your message & will work on it!

Home Minister Chidambaram has disclosed that with the help of US intelligence, many possible terrorist attacks have been foiled in the last one year.

I like this statement very much and its possible ramifications for all the stakeholders that were mentioned, and not mentioned.

a_bharat · Post by **a_bharat** » 20 Jan 2010 02:33

Jarita wrote:a-bharat
^^^ And you don't understand that it is very important for people of this nation to respond for the wounds of last 62 years.
Yes, it may sound petty but it is important for "the good guy" to be able to respond once in a while and niceties be damned.
It may not be pragmatic and it may have repurcussions but this is a relief after that bloody Aman ka Tamasha which was a like tightening gag around our necks. First you hurt us year after year, day after day and then we have to make peace with you.
I want to humiliate them. that is the least I can do after the damage those psychos have done to me and my nation.

Let us have our little catharsis

I am as much annoyed with the "aman ki asha" BS (recently switched to ToI from "The Hindu" and am getting punished for that) as every one else on this forum. I would rather have India retaliate militarily, or by making adherence to IWT conditional to Pakistan's good behavior.

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 20 Jan 2010 02:37

a_bharat wrote: |Edited: You aren't reading my post correctly.| All I was saying was that the Paki cricketers should have been kept out of IPL in a more graceful way. It would have been much better if Indian Govt said Paki players will not be allowed to play in India until Pakistan acts against the perpetrators of 26/11 terror attacks.

And how would you suppose GoI then issues visas for pak delegation for commonwealth game? what you proposing is like locking oneself in the jail cell and then throwing the key away! as is GoI has nothing to do with no one wanting to spend money to get service of pak players as simple as that. No need to drag in GoI into whats basically a private business decisions. Non State Actors if you please! would you be agreeable to shutting down the thread we are currently on if paki media tomorrow claims they have lot of H&D takleef cause of posts on here ? would you sir then want GoI to set guidelines as to how members should be more graceful while commenting on pakiness of pakis? we live in free democracy and I see nothing ungraceful in entities taking decision based on purely commercial consideration and exercising their rights in India.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 20 Jan 2010 02:46

Baluchi guys blog

http://mustikhan.newsvine.com/

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 20 Jan 2010 03:01

krithivas and a_bharat

In simple words, your posts imply that snubbing Pakis is a bad idea and even if it had to be done Indians should've been more discreet. Such a kick on H&D of "liberal Pakis" is going to antagonise them even more and it may result in more terrorist attacks.

Tell me one good thing that India could have gained by allowing Pakis into IPL.
Goodwill of ordinary and elite Pakis? Is it important ? Time and again Pakis have repeatedly bitten the hand that fed them. I don't need to list all the incidents on this forum. Is it really important for us to allow these terrorists to earn money in India ?

a_bharat wrote:
I am as much annoyed with the "aman ki asha" BS (recently switched to ToI from "The Hindu" and am getting punished for that) as every one else on this forum. I would rather have India retaliate militarily, or by making adherence to IWT conditional to Pakistan's good behavior.

India retaliates militarily. Nice dream. Until this wish is fulfilled, I'd really appreciate such displays of Indian "soft-power".
Paki team is just another bunch of fanatics bent on converting opponents rather than competing on field. Only a few days ago their boxing team was converting boxers from some impoverished African country It'll be a good thing not having such idiots anywhere in India.

a_bharat · Post by **a_bharat** » 20 Jan 2010 03:06

Patni wrote: And how would you suppose GoI then issues visas for pak delegation for commonwealth game? what you proposing is like locking oneself in the jail cell and then throwing the key away!

Hopefully, Pakis themselves would boycott the games. If they don't and the rules of Commonwealth Games don't allow the host country to bar players on the basis of nationality, then GoI can simply say that a one-time exception will be made for Pakis for CG.

would you be agreeable to shutting down the thread we are currently on if paki media tomorrow claims they have lot of H&D takleef cause of posts on here ? would you sir then want GoI to set guidelines as to how members should be more graceful while commenting on pakiness of pakis?

Why would I? I only differed on the method of excluding Paki cricketers from IPL. That doesn't mean I have to defend this nonsense.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 20 Jan 2010 03:08

Okay confirming once and for all. It is not GoIs fault.

There were NO VISA issues as per bakis themselves.

This is all work of yindu banias and extremists.

IPL surrenders on Line of Control

He also said there were no visa issues with any of the 11 players. “We were given permission to travel to India from our foreign office and the ministry. All 11 Pakistani players in the IPL auction list had their papers ready and the sports minister in India was very kind to expedite things to ensure they were not troubled. I really don't know what went wrong, but it hurts.”

a_bharat · Post by **a_bharat** » 20 Jan 2010 03:11

jamwal wrote: Tell me one good thing that India could have gained by allowing Pakis into IPL.
Goodwill of ordinary and elite Pakis? Is it important ?

I am neither for allowing Pakis in the IPL, nor for WKK. I only wished exclusion of Pakis from IPL was handled in a better way.

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 20 Jan 2010 03:14

James B wrote:
harbans wrote:At least in Europe and India (where I have this experience), they cross check passport against boarding pass before the passengers are let into the plane. I think this has been a standard procedure for a while.

Who does it? the airline girls at the counter in the baggage check in area, not the security guys. And i am referring to major transit airports like S'pore, HK, Bangkok. Once thats done the passengers mingle with other passengers flying to other transit areas. Even this attempted/ swap was caught just due to CCTV camera's. In these major transit areas once you arrive (assuming you're transiting onwards), once you've cleared the security, the boarding gates are all mixed. Just exchange passes and move onto the aircraft at boarding passes. Check Dubai, Singapore, HK all have the same procedure.
No sir, even in the transit airports, boarding pass is cross checked against passport or some other photo ID just before they let you in for boarding apart from thorough checking that is done at the time of check-in.

Added later: The only caveat if there is exchange of boarding passes with same name as Ramana sir has pointed out.

Solution is quite simple, mark passport with flight details. Cross check those with boarding pass.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 20 Jan 2010 03:15

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... nnectivity
A dangerous connectivity
Shreeman Mazari

Presently, it is being said that the Holbrooke visit to this region as well as the Gates visit from India to Pakistan is to pressure Pakistan into accepting a more direct Indian role in Afghanistan - to be suggested in London.
There are a series of events unfolding, seemingly delinked from each other, but in reality connecting to form a larger picture which bodes ill for Pakistan.The commitment made by each to prevent this abuse of their territory was a welcome move but now we have a London Conference at the end of January, again on Afghanistan, sponsored by the UK (so desperately seeking its lost imperial glory in these parts!) and ostensibly the UN as part of the extension of the Bonn process.And amongst the countries invited is of course India. the Pakistanis are also wary of nasty surprises that may be sprung on them in London relating to the possibility of a larger Indian role in Afghanistan. Pakistan has already made it clear that it will not accept the idea of a regional contact group that goes beyond the physical neighbours of Afghanistan because this was a ploy used by the US to give legitimacy to an Indian presence in that country. But in London Pakistan may confront a newer model of the same proposal - that of a regional council or something similar for Afghanistan, which would once again bring India into the fold of decision-making on Afghanistan. There is also talk of a Resettlement and Reintegration Fund in which all UN members could contribute and therefore would have some positive fallout. ( Pakis being beggers cant contribute)

Finally, in all this plethora of critical developments, there was the visit of the Indian DG Military Intelligence, Lt General Loomba at the time that Holbrooke was berating Pakistanis in Islamabad. The visit ties in with the US-India discussions on a greater Indian military role in Afghanistan and Loomba is said to have met with Afghan, NATO and US officials as well as the Indian covert operatives tied in with the Afghan National Army in the guise of trainers. After the Loomba visit, Holbrooke and Gates were said to have held a meeting with the Indians specifically to discuss Indian troops for Afghanistan

negi · Post by **negi** » 20 Jan 2010 03:24

The visit ties in with the US-India discussions on a greater Indian military role in Afghanistan and Loomba is said to have met with Afghan, NATO and US officials as well as the Indian covert operatives tied in with the Afghan National Army in the guise of trainers

Said by whom ? Laltopi Jahil Hamid ?

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 20 Jan 2010 03:29

a_bharat wrote:
Patni wrote: And how would you suppose GoI then issues visas for pak delegation for commonwealth game? what you proposing is like locking oneself in the jail cell and then throwing the key away!
Hopefully, Pakis themselves would boycott the games. If they don't and the rules of Commonwealth Games don't allow the host country to bar players on the basis of nationality, then GoI can simply say that a one-time exception will be made for Pakis for CG.
would you be agreeable to shutting down the thread we are currently on if paki media tomorrow claims they have lot of H&D takleef cause of posts on here ? would you sir then want GoI to set guidelines as to how members should be more graceful while commenting on pakiness of pakis?
Why would I? I only differed on the method of excluding Paki cricketers from IPL. That doesn't mean I have to defend this nonsense.

Your statement eludes that GoI was at fault for what happened and that GoI should have prevented it by denying them visa in first place! I am only trying to point out the fallacy of that reasoning. Pakis being what they are will always be on lookout for anything that India does that they can somehow bend to claim victimhood at the hand of big bad India! I was giving example of BRF as independent non GoI entity whose conduct may not always please pakis and thus if they start rona-dhona about BRF and wants GoI to intervene would you accept that GoI has a role to play?

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 20 Jan 2010 03:48

I want to know what zahil hamid has to say about IPL. I am sure RSS,hinduzionist,chanankya(chank-ya)
ram singh,amar singh will get due mention.His contacts with dalits & shudras will tell him that lalit modi is
brother of Nadrendra modi

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 20 Jan 2010 03:48

its possible that the owners of franchises have realised that their home crowds dont want to see pakistani players in india, plus that the default risk of a pak player is higher than others, not to mention what happens if a dhamaka goes off during the IPL and war is declared the next day (whilst 3 divisions have already cold started across the lahore-hyderabad axis

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