Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 21, 2010

[RajeshA]

I would like to add, that should India take this up as a psyops project, it is here that all the Najam Sethis, Kamran Shafis, Ardeshir Cowasjeejis can be useful.

I am not a paki expert just a observant guy but I feel this forum and Indian media in general is concentrating way too much on RAPES as a sample group to feel the pulse of pakistan. RAPES are a tiny miniscule percentage of population of 170 million masses that comprise of todays pakistan. The reason for this is that pakis have one of the lowest literacy rates and the official figures are no where close the ground reality where authorities have counted all people who could identify few alphabets in Urdu or Arabic as literate to inflate figures. So if Cowasjee or the other gang you have mentioned here for a moment writes a passionate article nothing will change on ground.

The mango Abdul is just a product of propaganda from three sides: The 'Pakistan Nationhood' propaganda by RAPEs, The 'Pious Islamism propaganda' by the Mullahs, and the reality of the poverty-ridden environment of his friends and family.

It is mostly the RAPE class, which has formulated the Pakistan Nationhood, Pakistan National Policy including the hate towards India. The Mullahs have done their part and indulged the RAPE and given religious cover to their message.Of course, both, the RAPE and the Islamists have found patronage by the Pakistani Army, who have facilitated the propagation of the message to the grassroots using all channels.

Much of the media is in RAPE hands, including the Urdu media. Secondly much of the national mood these days is conveyed through television than over the print media. Where television is not available, there radio does the job.

So getting the RAPE to convey Indian psyops to the Pakistani masses can be helpful. Of course, the way the Indian media hosts and toasts the RAPE class right now is disgusting, but I was not talking of the situation as it stands.

[CRamS]

Get tough with Pakistan’s army

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/edito ... tans_army/

I recall Mr. Obama making the following assertion in Sep. 2008 during the election debates: "...if Islamabad is ‘unable or unwilling’ to take militants out, then the US should go after the targets into Pakistan. " , for which his opponent John McCain replied, " You don`t say that out loud. If you have to do things, you have to do things... "

Whatever happened to that bravado.

SS, more than Obama's nonsesne, I wonder if you missed these sinister aces up US sleevs:

Obama’s leverage over Kayani is this same fixation on India. Obama should make a few things clear to the general: that America knows the extent of the ISI’s backing for the Taliban; that Pakistan’s army will not keep getting money and weapons from Washington if it goes on backing groups that kill American soldiers; and that if Pakistan does not end all support for its Taliban proxies, the US will seek India’s assistance in stabilizing Afghanistan.

Then, if Kayani makes the right choice, Obama can use America’s growing influence with India to help reduce tensions with Pakistan. This is the key to a stable future for that part of Asia.

Note what was left unsaid:

1) Kosher if Kiyani backs groups that kill Indians, American soldiers, crime against humanity

Furthermore,

2) If US can indeed seek India's assistance and its the right thing to do, why wait? Why does it have to be a lever to be used against TSP?

Finally,

3) In what form is Obama's influence with India going to manifest itself to "reduce tensions" between India & TSP?

[satyam]

Mayo:

Not to dwell too much on piskology, but at the end, when Bhajji looked towards Akthar and roared, you must have seen Akhtar's reaction. He showed Bhajji the middle finger and asked Bhajji to f$%^k off. This, in my opinion is the difference between TSPians and SDREs. Even in defeat, TSPians retain their natural aggressiveness.

Excess agression comes from serious inferiority complex.

[Suppiah]

A new variant of the begging position : Pay me $5Billion or we all become terrorists..

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -060-hh-04

[SSridhar]

. . . and that if Pakistan does not end all support for its Taliban proxies, the US will seek India’s assistance in stabilizing Afghanistan. Then, if Kayani makes the right choice, Obama can use America’s growing influence with India to help reduce tensions with Pakistan.

Clearly, it is obvious that the US is playing the India-card in its dealings with Pakistan. As I said before, India seems to be a willing partner in this. India seems to have confidence that the US keeps India's interests uppermost in dealing with a recalcitrant and truant Pakistan. Though India objected to its inclusion in the Af-Pak-US triangle to make it a rectangle, in effect India has implicitly allowed that to be the case and willingly too. India seems not worried by tactical concessions that are given by the US to Pakistan at India's cost because our leaders are convinced that strategically it will benefit India. Somehow our ruling leadership has accepted that the interests of India and the US have converged vis-a-vis Pakistan; that the US has Pakistan under a fair grip and is forcing that country to smell the coffee; that the fog will clear soon etc. It is a high-stakes game. Time will tell.

Holbrooke's Uvacha

The special envoy said the US would closely watch the forthcoming meetings between India and Pakistan, with a sense of anticipation.

[Venkarl]

I do not want to see the masses of Pakistan have a better life. They should go down further and have everything replaced by more Islam. That way Pakistan will have 250 million desperate Abduls fighting fo survival. Let the US continue to give the RAPE and army (band)aid. We need to see Pakistan go further down the road to radicalization with the realisation that RAPE, Amrika and China can never rescue them. The entire current bunch of leaders of Pakistan - starting from the army, as well as the US and China need to lose influence. It is fine for India to be seen as weak as long as we give Pakis nothing.

During my years in USA, I was advocating the same with one of my interactions with an aged retired Indian diplomat who had settled in Lanham, MD way back in late 1970s. His views were such that if GoI's wish is taliban takeover of Pakistan, then it would risk of nuclear technology falling into taliban and misguided terrorists which will threaten humongous percentage sub continental diaspora....instead he was suggesting that if India really wants to eliminate this paki problem out of its higher aspirations once and for all and stand up to China's game in Asia...it should first neutralize the nuclear installations, literature and the brains behind pakis nuclear program..therefore eliminating the chances of reviving the nuclear capabilities of future offshoots of broken pakiland and then let there be an orchestrated taliban take over of pakiland which can eventually be lead to balkanisation of pakiland...and from there GoI can focus on China specific issues without any diversions....this being a big task with lots of coordination required...to achieve this, India will have to partner with other powers like Israel and Russia...in fending off mi6/cia/chinese intervening in our backyard's game....

this actually sounded not impossible to me and I see a valid point in his views....
I some times think this latest MMS love of pakis is all drama...and is one big dot yet to be connected with other dots in the long run...in India's interest...probably thats the faith I have in PMO making me say these words...

[shiv]

During my years in USA, I was advocating the same with one of my interactions with an aged retired Indian diplomat who had settled in Lanham, MD way back in late 1970s. His views were such that if GoI's wish is taliban takeover of Pakistan, then it would risk of nuclear technology falling into taliban and misguided terrorists which will threaten humongous percentage sub continental diaspora....instead he was suggesting that if India really wants to eliminate this paki problem out of its higher aspirations once and for all and stand up to China's game in Asia...

THis is a very American viewpoint - the man has been Americanized. Pakistani weapons at this point in time threaten a very large percentage of Indians. That is oh so convenient that the Americans want to kep it thatway as exemplified by an American general saying exactly that - vide CramS's post a couple of pages ago:
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 71#p890171

I couldn't catch the whole show on NPR this morning, but there were a couple of honchos including Richard Hass and some retd general among others talking about AfPak. The almost brazen admission of the honcho general tells you how much AfPak is dominated by Pentagon thinking. The guy said something like, we have no great interest in Afganisthan, its corrpt, Karzai is a bozo, Al Queda is non-existant (about the only truthful point he made) bla bla; and here is the punch line: he said the only interest US has in that region are the nukes in TSP which culd fall into extremist hands but at the moment are professionaly guarded by TSPA and are only targetted towards India. It was chilling.

A Taliban takeover of Paki nukes will ensure that many more people of the world, including the Americans themselves will also be at risk of being nuked and the number of nukes aimed at India will be fewer. The number of enemiew who need to be nukes will increase dramatically. Besides Pakistan wil get what they want - Islam.

[Brad Goodman]

Mayo:

Not to dwell too much on piskology, but at the end, when Bhajji looked towards Akthar and roared, you must have seen Akhtar's reaction. He showed Bhajji the middle finger and asked Bhajji to f$%^k off. This, in my opinion is the difference between TSPians and SDREs. Even in defeat, TSPians retain their natural aggressiveness.

Again the same trap. We are mistaking the actions to RAPES to generalize paki population. The only similarity between Akthar & Mango Abdul is that they both have genital warts but thats end of story. While akthar can afford medicines abdul cannot. So Akthar can feel a sense of superiority that his TFTA genes bestow on him where as for mango who can neither afford medicines nor biryani (food) sees reality hit him like a bus when he sees SDRE eating masala dosa.

Rapes have their stomach full with haram ki biryani and that is why they are so detached from reality and talk about chaliphite and other BS if all that RAPES speak was really indicative of way pakis think we would not have seen Baloch Sindh Pakthun & Serakai issues in paki land. This is exactly the same attitude that u see in indians who come from affluent families like beaurecrats or police officers etc. Just back a few decades and most leaders of communist movement were from rich family who with all the riches at their feet developed this kida of social revolution.

[abhijitm]

Sorry OT: To all those who missed Harbhajan vs shoaib http://www.cricketcrowd.com/Play_Video-23-3439-7.html

I must have missed this one. What was that argument between Gambhir and Akmal all about? Lots of maa-behn?

read all comments on this video 19th june harbhajan, shoaib, gambhir, akmal fight. very very abusive . Only for 18+.

[archan]

Mayo:

Not to dwell too much on piskology, but at the end, when Bhajji looked towards Akthar and roared, you must have seen Akhtar's reaction. He showed Bhajji the middle finger and asked Bhajji to f$%^k off. This, in my opinion is the difference between TSPians and SDREs. Even in defeat, TSPians retain their natural aggressiveness.

I am sorry sir, in your enthusiasm you often end up speaking words you later have to eat. He did not show the middle finger but he made a V-sign for victory and then signalled "yeah, yeah, now you've won...now you go back to the pavilion". In other words, the guy was embarrassed and did not want to deal with Bhajji at the time. What aggressive behavior? if you start calling every paki stupidity as aggression, then you end up making imaginary monsters out of wimps. Pakis do a lot of things in order to preserve some hypothetical "honor". One wonders though what exactly does a paki has to be proud of. Hence the facade of "pride".
Whether we like it or not, Bhajji is a guy who stuck it to the big bad Aussies and made the badass Symonds go running to the umpire. At least Symonds is a "real" cricketer, with real talent as opposed to Chukter miyan. I bet he and the Aussies would think twice before starting and trash talk against the SDREs now.
Be a jngo, but a factual one?

[shiv]

. The only similarity between Akthar & Mango Abdul is that they both have genital warts but thats end of story.

Hmm. but there's another little secret that's coming out with my recent interaction with Pakis. Man those guys have some deep deeeeep sexual frustrations. I mean man - you can live in India or Amrika or even Tomboctou I guess and you can ogle chicks and talk to them apart from seeing pix or getting touchyfeely. But hey NOT IN PAKILAND!! They are too pure. They are getting some real re-al purity there.

Look out for signs of that folks...Pakis have sure built up one really laughable weak point!

[RajeshA]

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Some gargling going on in Pakistan:

A comment by a Pakistani gentleman on the Deaf & Dumb Forum, whom I would like to thank, for supporting my argument.

I am sorry to say but this article is spot on. Something I have been feeling as I peruse the Western and Indian intellectual circles.

Pakistan and India used to be lumped together but thats not the case anymore especially where it counts i.e. economy, infrastructure and technology.

We are no longer even considered in India's league because we have been dulled by our India-centric policy which has not evolved since independence. This tunnel vision has limited us with role-play on the world theater. The only reason Pakistan has mattered so far is because of accidental and circumstantial reasons i.e. WOT, Soviet-Afghan Jihad etc. We have never made a name for ourselves on the global stage mostly because our policy makers can not see beyond India. Our science, tech, defense, education budgets are prepared only to do enough to keep India at bay. No doubt that India is our arch-enemy but we have to acknowledge that in this new world we have additional threats that do not only come from India. We are not prepared to acknowledge that we have the whole world to compete with and the nature of threats come from multiple directions. This is a different world where globalization has made every country in the world each others' neighbor. We are missing out on the big picture.

Our policies are reactive and passive, we make tactical decisions even where strategic ones are necessary. And the outcome of all of this India focus ironically is that we are conceding ground to Indian dominance. The most popular Pakistani TV channel (Geo) is Indian influenced, we have news of Pakistanis pretending to be Indians in the West to escape prejudice, we have 90% Pakistani restaurant owners abroad who list themselves as Indian restaurants, most of our populace is hooked on Bollywood etc. etc. I feel that being India-centric has limited us from forging our own unique identity both on cultural and geo-political levels. I am sick of Pakistan being thought of as India's annoying little step-brother.

Yet an average Pakistani will never concede that we are losing the race. And this is not because we are incapable to win the race, its because we do not know where to run. This is not a defeatist rant, complacency is eating us out from the inside.

This is the exact message that needs to go out, that Pakistan is simply a jealous, sibling-hating, rootless, worthless, without a purpose in life and beset by inferiority complexes, annoying little step-brother of India.

All that Islam, Two-Nation Theory, Kashmir, Water is simply a cover to hide that jealousy and hate.

[SSridhar]

Pakistan and India used to be lumped together but thats not the case anymore especially where it counts i.e. economy, infrastructure and technology.

We are no longer even considered in India's league

. . . has limited us from forging our own unique identity both on cultural and geo-political levels.

Yet an average Pakistani will never concede that we are losing the race. And this is not because we are incapable to win the race, its because we do not know where to run.

All that is wrong with Pakistan is captured inadvertently above. The Pakistani ranter still pines for equality but is dismayed by the futility of it all.

If Pakistan & India were lumped together at some point of time, that was certainly not because they were equal. It is no rocket science to understand why India and Pakistan can never be equal in any sense. The gap was never within Pakistani reach. It was so on Aug 14, 1947 and it has been so ever since, only thing is that, like this ever expanding universe, the immense gap is only growing faster. When an important world leader visited this region, he/she probably lumped India/Pakistan together because of convenience of travel. If Pakistanis misconstrued that as being in the same league, that is their mistake.

Again, this urge to forge a separate identity is obvious from the rant. While one can understand the 'geo-political identity' as a separate nation-state, one cannot see how a different 'cultural identity' can be forged lest by breaking away from the millennia-old influences. The cultural identity does not become West Asian just because of Makran coast being nearer to the desert Kingdoms, for example. Most Sindhis respect Raja Dhahir rather than bin Qasim.

The ranter is convinced that Pakistan can still 'win the race' as if India is even a participant in such a race.

[Singha]

time was when lahore and islamabad intl airports were better than delhi (and mumbai) simply because GOI and AAI couldnt care less. now with pvtization I hope someone posts a comparison == dhaga of skyscrapercity just before the kammanwealth games and later when mumbai modernization peaks out.

it wont be pretty.

[Brad Goodman]

The mango Abdul is just a product of propaganda from three sides: The 'Pakistan Nationhood' propaganda by RAPEs, The 'Pious Islamism propaganda' by the Mullahs, and the reality of the poverty-ridden environment of his friends and family.

It is mostly the RAPE class, which has formulated the Pakistan Nationhood, Pakistan National Policy including the hate towards India. The Mullahs have done their part and indulged the RAPE and given religious cover to their message.Of course, both, the RAPE and the Islamists have found patronage by the Pakistani Army, who have facilitated the propagation of the message to the grassroots using all channels.

Much of the media is in RAPE hands, including the Urdu media. Secondly much of the national mood these days is conveyed through television than over the print media. Where television is not available, there radio does the job.

So getting the RAPE to convey Indian psyops to the Pakistani masses can be helpful. Of course, the way the Indian media hosts and toasts the RAPE class right now is disgusting, but I was not talking of the situation as it stands.

you are partially right when you say that unwashed abduls are manupulated by mulla rape military & politician alliance but what you are losing sight of is the same alliance was also under the illusion that they had bengalis under control and all they needed for few hard blows at right place to be placed on mujib & his mukti bahini, Every one including the biggest chanakya of that era Mr Kissinger was bought on this BS. Yes urdu media is controlled between RAPES and Mullas but despite all the vitriolic the anti india campaign has made huge dents the reason for this is all those WKK's who go to paki lands and come impressed when rickshaw puller and shop keepers do not accept money now these are not rapes trying to impress. All that mango abduls are guilty of is the glee they got out of seeing India getting bogged down in kashmir with terror but that was entertainment for them did not offer any tangible gains in form of more land water for slaves to abduls.

If TV was such a powerful medium why did only 200 people show up for takmeel e pakistan launched by zaid kazzab hamid which was supposed to be pinnacle of brasstacks series. That shows how much charged unwashed abdul is. I am not saying abdul is in love with India but between bollywood and mullas vitriolic abdul has no clue what is going on add to this his 15 hr work schedule to just get food to table can only mean that worst anti india thing they can do is sell one of their sons to LET like kasab's father did but again kasab is not the real problem it is TSPA, ISI & headley who are the problem. Stop the source and kasabs will disappear.

[SSridhar]

Why TSP cannot ignore Dossier # 11

[Brad Goodman]

Why TSP cannot ignore Dossier # 11

This is all useless drama before the papiya jhapiya with pakis next month. What you need is a big bamboo up their musharraf and then they will take action based on mere hearsay like they do at unkils biding

[RajeshA]

you are partially right when you say that unwashed abduls are manupulated by mulla rape military & politician alliance but what you are losing sight of is the same alliance was also under the illusion that they had bengalis under control and all they needed for few hard blows at right place to be placed on mujib & his mukti bahini

I was talking about Pakistani media's "influence" in molding an identity and world view of the Pakistani, not about "control" over them. Besides expecting West Pakistani "control" over East Pakistani minds in those days would be expecting a bit too much.

Yes urdu media is controlled between RAPES and Mullas but despite all the vitriolic the anti india campaign I dont think all those WKK's who go to paki lands and come impressed when rickshaw puller and shop keepers do not accept money now these are not rapes trying to impress.

If pro-Indian attitude already gets some traction there, then it can only get better if the Pakistani media too starts accepting & propagating the Indian narrative.

If TV was such a powerful medium why did only 200 people show up for takmeel e pakistan launched by zaid kazzab hamid which was supposed to be pinnacle of brasstacks series. That shows how much charged unwashed abdul is.

I agree with you. It was not being suggested that TV is brain-control and all Pakistanis are zombies.

[kittoo]

time was when lahore and islamabad intl airports were better than delhi (and mumbai) simply because GOI and AAI couldnt care less. now with pvtization I hope someone posts a comparison == dhaga of skyscrapercity just before the kammanwealth games and later when mumbai modernization peaks out.

it wont be pretty.

True indeed. Another reason that our airports weren't the better ones was cause we weren't, and aren't, in the business of impressing anyone. We did not have much money earlier and whatever we had, we tried to use it for masses (other than a few filling their pockets of course). How swanky our airport is, was of little concern to us. It was working as it was supposed to and that was fine. While for Pakis, and for their friends the Chinese, show off has been a top priority all along.
Then in past 10-15 years we got money, and are now trying to change not only airports, but whole cities.

[shiv]

True indeed. Another reason that our airports weren't the better ones was cause we weren't, and aren't, in the business of impressing anyone. We did not have much money earlier and whatever we had, we tried to use it for masses (other than a few filling their pockets of course). How swanky our airport is, was of little concern to us. It was working as it was supposed to and that was fine. While for Pakis, and for their friends the Chinese, show off has been a top priority all along.
Then in past 10-15 years we got money, and are now trying to change not only airports, but whole cities.

spot on!

[Brad Goodman]

I was talking about Pakistani media's "influence" in molding an identity and world view of the Pakistani, not about "control" over them. Besides expecting West Pakistani "control" over East Pakistani minds in those days would be expecting a bit too much.

Sorry did not mean to do an apples to apples comparison of 1971 to 2010, the analogy was RAPES were saying exactly identical stuff back then in 1971 when they convinced awam that its only a law & order issue and Islam was a very strong glue which would keep both halves together. So you can fool every one for some time but not all the time.

If pro-Indian attitude already gets some traction there, then it can only get better if the Pakistani media too starts accepting & propagating the Indian narrative.

Media will sing for those who pay, be it Indian media paki media or unkil media. Do you think abortion is such a big issues in american daily life as much as media makes it to be. Same with gay marriage. In Indian media too they always get exit poll wrong because they have no clue of what masses care about. They just cater to urban middle and upper middle class.

I agree with you. It was not being suggested that TV is brain-control and all Pakistanis are zombies.

Spot on TV is all about entertainment. People will vent some hot air agree that they need revolution and then go home watch a bollywood flick go to nearest McDonald and vent more anger against multinationals over a burger and coke and then go home. Poor people listen talk over it in nukkad animatedly drink spurious liquor and beat their wives go to sleep and next day off to work hardly remembering the day that went by.

[jamwal]

Mayo:

Not to dwell too much on piskology, but at the end, when Bhajji looked towards Akthar and roared, you must have seen Akhtar's reaction. He showed Bhajji the middle finger and asked Bhajji to f$%^k off. This, in my opinion is the difference between TSPians and SDREs. Even in defeat, TSPians retain their natural aggressiveness.

Excess agression comes from serious inferiority complex.

That looked like a V sign, not middle finger

[Brad Goodman]

Good article on pukes and sehzaad A Method in Their Madness?

. Shahzad, however, does not fall in that category. And the category he does fall in – that of a Pakistani who successfully aspired to further education in the US and subsequently was able to settle down there – is inevitably disturbing for the American authorities, given that thousands of Pakistanis have followed a similar trajectory.

On the other hand, the fact that hardly any of them have betrayed any inclination to wreak havoc in their adopted homeland ought to be a source of affirmation to the effect that the trajectory between Pakistani origin and terrorist intent is decidedly not the path usually taken. It is not only an exception to the rule, but a remarkably rare one at that.

Now this is the argument that will gives RAPES sleepless nights since this is like cutting off oxygen for them. So this is the chink in their armour we must be aiming at.

more

Of course, one of the problems with Faisal Shahzad is that he does not conform to the jihadist prototype of a madrassa-educated, economically-deprived young man whose sense of alienation – quite possibly exacerbated by clerical propaganda in the local mosque – leads him to deeds of mass destruction. As the scion of a senior Pakistan Air Force officer, Faisal was accustomed to a relatively privileged existence, as evidenced by his dispatch to the US after he completed his schooling. There has been no indication that his journey thither was prompted by the desire to do harm to America.

[abhijitm]

The name "paki" tells me that the person could be a covert indian.

[CRamS]

Why TSP cannot ignore Dossier # 11

SS, your silence itself says it all. Yeah, TSP cannot ignore. They will not even use this dossier as toilet paper, let alone ignore it. I am waiting to see what kind of a kick they will deliver to the Dhothiwallahs in Delhi in response to this.

[RajeshA]

The name "paki" tells me that the person could be a covert indian.

Then let's not disturb his cover!

[Carl_T]

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/edito ... tans_army/
I recall Mr. Obama making the following assertion in Sep. 2008 during the election debates: "...if Islamabad is ‘unable or unwilling’ to take militants out, then the US should go after the targets into Pakistan. " , for which his opponent John McCain replied, " You don`t say that out loud. If you have to do things, you have to do things... "

Whatever happened to that bravado.

They are doing just that though right?

[CRamS]

To those who pointed out, I stand corrected on Shoaib Akhtar.

[satyam]

To those who pointed out, I stand corrected on Shoaib Akhtar.

Stand corrected that Akhtar has genital warts

[chetak]

Why TSP cannot ignore Dossier # 11

SS, your silence itself says it all. Yeah, TSP cannot ignore. They will not even use this dossier as toilet paper, let alone ignore it. I am waiting to see what kind of a kick they will deliver to the Dhothiwallahs in Delhi in response to this.

I think that head dhothiwalla PC will make clear the Indian line to the pakis. What ever MMS says thereafter will have little effect.

PC may make it clear that it is the cabinet that is calling the shots and not some lone ranger without a hat.

PC has been quite antagonistic towards the pakis.

[CRamS]

chetak:

I hope so. But the deck is heavily loaded against India and hence TSP can continue to cock a snook at India with impunity

1) No military pressure on TSP
2) US is now openly claiming they are going to use the pressure on India, meaning concessions on Kashmir and India's exit from Afganisthan, to induce TSP in Afganisthan. Mumbai is as far away from Obama's mind as much as is the distance between DC and Mumbai.
3) Chincoms are busy giving more nukes to TSP with only lip-service opposition from USA.

Where is the incentive for TSP to deliver on anything? On the contrary, they will make more brazen demands to India.

[satyam]

chetak:

I hope so. But the deck is heavily loaded against India and hence TSP can continue to cock a snook at India with impunity

1) No military pressure on TSP
2) US is now openly claiming they are going to use the pressure on India, meaning concessions on Kashmir and India's exit from Afganisthan, to induce TSP in Afganisthan. Mumbai is as far away from Obama's mind as much as is the distance between DC and Mumbai.
3) Chincoms are busy giving more nukes to TSP with only lip-service opposition from USA.

Where is the incentive for TSP to deliver on anything? On the contrary, they will make more brazen demands to India.

And India did not concede to Pakistan during 1980s and you think it will concede now. And don't worry we too have nukes ready.

[CRamS]

satyam:

Lets keep the following issues in perspective.

We should not even be talking about India conceeding, which we are reduced to doing so tragically; rather its about demanding that TSP be brought to justice for Mumbai.

As for our nukes, TSP doesn't seem to be too worried, if they were, they wouldn't be unleashing LET with impunity. On the contrary, TSP's position is bring em on, game on.

Please read the entire western discourse related to TSP's paranoia visa vi India. Reading western discourse, it seems as if TSP is the victim and India is the aggressor. How much farther than the truth can one get?

And to make matters more depressing, witness MMS's response to TSP's brazen demands.

[satyam]

satyam:

Lets keep the following issues in perspective.

We should not even be talking about India conceeding, which we are reduced to doing so tragically; rather its about demanding that TSP be brought to justice for Mumbai.

As for our nukes, TSP doesn't seem to be too worried, if they were, they wouldn't be unleashing LET with impunity. On the contrary, TSP's position is bring em on, game on.

Please read the entire western discourse related to TSP's paranoia visa vi India. Reading western discourse, it seems as if TSP is the victim and India is the aggressor. How much farther than the truth can one get?

And to make matters more depressing, witness MMS's response to TSP's brazen demands.

OK tell me by playing that terrorist game , they haven't lost anything? Would you like India to be in position of Pakistan.

India's first priority should be to reduce povert to <10%. Then we can do anything. Not now. We had got that chance from 1970-80 to destroy Pak and we did not take advantage of it.

[Mathai]

To those who pointed out, I stand corrected on Shoaib Akhtar.

I think you got it right. The Paki twunt was giving the two finger salute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_sign_as_ ... _an_insult) and asking Harbhajan to piss off.

[CRamS]

OK tell me by playing that terrorist game , they haven't lost anything? Would you like India to be in position of Pakistan.

They have not lost anyhting, on the contrary, they have forced India to conceede this.

Finally, no I would not want India to be in TSP's position, but neither do I want her to be in the position she is in today.

[satyam]

OK tell me by playing that terrorist game , they haven't lost anything? Would you like India to be in position of Pakistan.

They have not lost anyhting, on the contrary, they have forced India to conceede this.

Finally, no I would not want India to be in TSP's position, but neither do I want her to be in the position she is in today.

These talks have been going on for a long time. Remember Sharm-al-sheik. Nothing concrete is going to come out of it.

And the position India is in today is due to massive corruption in everydaylife. I don't know what were we doing till 2000. Whatever development process has started was after 2000.


Yes Pakistan clearly hasn't lost anything. They are playing their "home" test series in England. Being termed as most dangerous place on the earth.

[Gerard]

US urges Pakistan to be wary of Iran-Pakistan pipeline

The American envoy, Richard Holbrooke, says Pakistan should be wary of committing to an Iran-Pakistan natural gas pipeline because any US sanctions on Iran could hit Pakistani companies.

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Yes Pakistan clearly hasn't lost anything. They are playing their "home" test series in England. Being termed as most dangerous place on the earth.

You will eat a humble pie when pretty soon, MMS will announce through BCCI that India will be touring TSP to play kirket as part of "South Asia" piss.

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Yes Pakistan clearly hasn't lost anything. They are playing their "home" test series in England. Being termed as most dangerous place on the earth.

You will eat a humble pie when pretty soon, MMS will announce through BCCI that India will be touring TSP to play kirket as part of "South Asia" piss.

Did any pakistani player play in IPL 2009 AND 2010, CL 2009 and CL 2010 ? BCCI is extremely angry with PCB.