AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

[VenkataS]

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But nothing to address legitimate grievance of Telanganas and urge to continue the charade keeps on going.

Puki demands sound more reasonable than these idiotic demands/suggestions.

Satya_anveshi - I believe that your last statement is a bit harsh. People have a right to express their demands and suggestions. Branding them as idiotic is subjective on your part.

Can you clarify your stand on my post earlier:
I do not think the protests are purely against the split although they are not articulated as such at present. However if the split of AP into two states went ahead with the following issues resolved then common person on the streets in the rest of present AP would be much more inclined towards a split.

• Sharing Revenue until a new capital with the necessary infrastructure is built in the rest of AP.
  An agreement with respect to equitable distribution of river waters which both parties agree on.
  Agreements with respect to equitable distribution of state organizations (APSTRC etc), assets and liabilities.
  A referendum in Telangana asking whether the residents of Telangana (any body who has paid taxes while domiciled in Telangana) want to split from the rest of the state.
  Assurances from all parties involved that there would be no hindrances to free movement of people and goods.
  An assurance that any Indian who is a resident of Telangana has equal rights as anybody else in Telangana to everything including (Government jobs, access to educational institutions, ability to start businesses, ability to stand for an elected office etc).

[Rony]

But nothing to address legitimate grievance of Telanganas and urge to continue the charade keeps on going

What are those "legitimate" grievances of Telangana apart from cursing Andhras and sucking up to modern day Razakars ? And how will those "legitimate" grievances will be solved in a telangana state ?

[Muppalla]

Muppalla, Looks like even TSP is getting ready for AP division wants a share of Hyderabad hearts and mind. They want to open a permanent visa camp office.

They definitely will need one as there are too many marital relations with the common people there. The new T state will need a large police force and its own intel like the current AP has. T has to deal with terror+ naxal networks. They will need a very good administrator like Raman Singh. A lot folks may curse Marri Chenna Reddy but he is a good administrator and they will need one such gent.

[Muppalla]

after so many pages, if we had to distill and find the gist, this is it (at least for me):

1. root cause: fracture of elite geographic spread (K's and V's).

2. political background which led to issue going all the way to Lok Sabha: one central party became paranoid of regional strongmen; the other was never a big player but ended up loosing even the potential strong-ground to regional party for the sake of coalition dharma.

so we can see why perhaps both central parties feel as if they have been at the short-end of the straw due to regional compromises.

IMO, it is Point #2 which is the immediate reason for the split in the current time-frame. Point #1 is a slow burn issue that has been on and off for centuries with no resolution. it will continue, albeit in more unique and unpredictable forms (both rivalry, and a hitherto unexplored territory of covert collaboration between the old-feudal dreamers and the mercantile element within the K's).

Absolutely. Everything else is junk and just cause and effect discussion. The numbers, begging, calling others as looters, dev-indexes are all instruments used to pump up the causes.

#1 Will continue even if you split it into 23 states. For more that 100 years it was split across three states but what has stopped it. It took modern avatar.
#2 is the important as it is more of political struggle inside an independent India. This is not settled and has the chances of destroying the dynasty and if it happens good for the nation.

The cultural and civilizational aspects are never taken in the Amarttya Sen led Human Index calculation. There are several folks who will be happy with all the required life style things and also wealthy but still be illiterate. It will be OT for this topic.

[Satya_anveshi]

Every thought, every suggestion, and every proposal that perpetuates the milking of the discord between the two (or three) regions and keep these regions tied up is idiotic and those people making such suggestion, IMO, are idiots. Learning from past, one should drive for a swift demarcation of the region with separate capitals with no further leverage to the parties (INC-A, INC-B, TDP etc) who took duplicitous stand to continued this charade.

Going back to unification is ruled out - just reconcile with it
Hyd common capital will just continue this issue in various forms - I hope people reject this nonsense and reconcile with it

Everything else is fair RoDho and I have no major issues with those.

[ShyamSP]

Some of that family were my classmates. Very pioneering group in film distribution. They made lotof money and lost equally. Started in distribution to financing. Wasn't it Navayuga Films?

Yes. They were one of the key groups in RECW and Kakatiya Medical college.

In 40s this family seems to have sustained the communist movement. They owned Navayuga films and invested in all prjanatyamandali fields - publication, movies etc. They seem to have sheltered communist leaders all over Bharat during British and later Indian ban on the party.

Those connections with communist party is what made them untouchables in congress till NTR came on stage and brought them into power.

It is their communist connections that gave them unique access/control of film industry. They also majorly owned the healthcare sector since 1930s.

My appreciation for that community went up by a notch.

You may find this interesting, in particular, chapter 4 and 5.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/34125572/Indi ... apitalists

Although, chapter 4 heading says Kammas, Reddys, Rajus, it covered mostly Kammas. Interesting thing is their (called Kammavar Nadiu) success in Tamil nadu, independent of success in AP, which is also covered in chapter 5.

Kammas and Reddys got unique advantage of holding lands when traditional "kshtriyas" such as Rajus and Velamas have been reduced in power. In addition they re-invented themselves from being agrarian community to move into industrial and service sectors. Advantage they got is less likely to go down.

[devesh]

But nothing to address legitimate grievance of Telanganas and urge to continue the charade keeps on going

What are those "legitimate" grievances of Telangana apart from cursing Andhras and sucking up to modern day Razakars ? And how will those "legitimate" grievances will be solved in a telangana state ?

careful who you accuse of "sucking up" to modern Razakars. it might boomerang. and the "sucking up" is confined to the old feudals. not the commoner T-vadis. and these modern Razakars were used plenty by the SA elites to periodically keep the "interior" in shape.

[Vayutuvan]

Delhi has higher HDI than several other deserving UTs/Metros/States small and large? Do these figures take into account safety of females, I wonder. On the other hand, one would expect it to have the highest HDI in India with all those enlightened folks camping in Chanakyapuri (or are they the problem?).

[Rony]

careful who you accuse of "sucking up" to modern Razakars. it might boomerang. and the "sucking up" is confined to the old feudals. not the commoner T-vadis. and these modern Razakars were used plenty by the SA elites to periodically keep the "interior" in shape.

Sure. Sucking up to the Razakars is confined to the old feudals who are also on the forefront of Telangana agitation. If in the past, its the SA elites who used the Razakars to keep the interior in shape, now its the turn of the T elites to use them for their own benefit.Nothing will change with the new state.Same card, persons change. Hence my original comment to the person who is whining about the Andhras about what the "legitimate grievances" are and how they will change in a new state.The way i see it, nothing will change in short to medium term. If some one is dreaming that in the long term the ordinary T-vadi will overthrow or neutralize the Reddy-Muslim-Velama elite alliance in T-land after the elite infighting that will follow after the T-formation, its similar to the dreams which some folks are having that Reddy-Christian-Brahmin alliance can be contained in SA once the TDP-BJP alliance is formed.

[ramana]

ShyamSP, Please email me the pdf of that scribd book?
Thanks, ramana

My colleagues told me they went for industries, professional education:doctors, lawyers and engineers etc as they were kept out of political space starting from NSR's regime after the state formation.

[Yagnasri]

It seems GOM is not going to visit AP at all. Last meeting soon and Sri Krishna Report said to be basis. Local INC leaders are going oppose the thing - no one seems to know what will come to assembly how many times this matter comes to assembly. Diggi saying two times, Shinde say one. NCP saying elections immediately after December state elections as resignation of MP s from AP make the minority government impossible to run. Today high court of AP going to decide on Jagan meeting in Hyderabad.

[Rajagopal]

Not that it helps, but below is the email address to give feedback(or spit) on the GOm.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/g ... epage=true

"The Group of Ministers (GoM), set up to look into the bifurcation of Andhra Pradesh, has sought feedback from general public on its terms of reference.
The Home Ministry said the feedback should be related to the terms of reference and should be mailed to [email protected]"

[vishvak]

Feedback from general public meaning who all when Naidu is protesting in dilli and con race and jagan MPs are part of UPA govt at center and state?

This discourse reminds of jan lokpal bill that required public feedback and NGOs etc did work instead of government.

[Yagnasri]

Basically leftist fellows and jholaWallas take part in this kind of drama as the have only such work. Normal people dont bothdr. Seems Saint Antony is now well and actively involved. Hope he involves himself with defense matters also with the same kind of eagerness.

[Muppalla]

What is article Article 371 D? How exactly can this stop the division. Suddenly all the discussion moved around this.

[ramana]

It was an Article put in the Constitution after the 1970s agitation to ensure equal access to all the state residents.

[Rony]

Going for broke in Telangana

No one is in doubt that political considerations, more specifically the anxiety to grab the most number of Lok Sabha seats in Telangana, have made the Congress fast track the partitioning of Andhra Pradesh.

Not much imagination is needed either to predict that the Congress will face an unprecedented rout in coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema where it does not even stand a remote prospect of winning any one of the 25 Lok Sabha seats. It is thus forced to put all its electoral eggs in the Telangana basket. The anti-Congress wave now is an extreme swing from the popularity of “Indiramma” whose pro-weaker sections image guaranteed the party a minimum 30 per cent votes in every election, win or lose, since the 1970s.

What defies logic or compulsions of realpolitik is that the Congress has firmly shut the door on itself in the race for the 25 Lok Sabha seats in Seemandhra while running at breakneck speed to breast the tape in the 17 constituencies in Telangana. There is no guarantee that it will win a majority of seats in Telangana without a pre-poll alliance with the Telangana Rashtra Samithi (TRS)’s K. Chandrasekhar Rao who is playing hardball.

All eyes on this team

Yet, throwing caution to the winds, the Centre is racing ahead with the division of Andhra Pradesh. The State’s future now hangs by a slender thread in the form of the seven-member Group of Ministers. None of them are from Andhra Pradesh and belong to places as far as Kashmir (Ghulam Nabi Azad) and Kerala (A.K. Antony). They will sit and divide the Telugus, their water resources, their State capital, their revenue and, what many fear, their hearts and minds. They are mandated to fulfil in six weeks a task that took the Srikrishna Committee one full year, only for its report to be thrown into the waste-paper basket.

YSR Congress leader Jaganmohan Reddy has accused Congress president Sonia Gandhi of dividing Andhra Pradesh with the objective of installing her son, Rahul Gandhi as Prime Minister. While this may sound a bit far-fetched, what may be true is that the Congress party’s prime minister-in-waiting may find it difficult to realise his dream without Jagan’s support after the Lok Sabha election — he is considered the front runner in Seemandhra. Did he not sweep the Assembly byelections last year by massive margins?

In this context, much significance is being read into the statements of Digvijay Singh, AICC general secretary in-charge of Andhra Pradesh, a friend of the late YSR and considered his bridge with Ms Sonia Gandhi. A few examples are: “Congress and YSR Congress share the same DNA” and “Jaganmohan Reddy is like my son.”

It may all sound like a cosy relationship — a pre-poll alliance with the TRS and post-electoral adjustment with the YSR Congress. But what the Congress does not realise is that it takes two to tango, politically. The Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), already a partner of the TRS, is being wooed by the Telugu Desam’s N. Chandrababu Naidu who, during the past one month, shared a platform with Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi, and called on BJP president Rajnath Singh.

Sense of betrayal

Quite surprisingly, Jaganmohan Reddy, in a slight change of tack, described Mr. Modi as an able administrator though with a caveat that he would like the BJP’s prime ministerial candidate-in-waiting to pursue secular policies. The Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), though a votary of smaller States, is unhappy with the BJP, for turning its back on Seemandhra where its cadre and supporters have deserted the party en masse.

Many people outside Andhra Pradesh may not know Vizianagaram except old-timers who remember Vizzy the famous cricket commentator on radio, who hailed from there. It is a town with a low profile, famous earlier for royal patronage of the arts, literature and higher education. Its institutions turned out famous film playback singers Ghantasala and P. Susheela while the town produced great social reformer Gurazada Appa Rao.

When Vizianagaram exploded into violence last weekend leading to police firing and the imposition of curfew, it was symbolic of the seething anger in Seemandhra over the Cabinet’s perceived insensitivity to the people’s concerns. The suffering caused by stoppage of RTC buses since August 12, the ruination of the micro-level economy, bandhs and power blackouts were inconsequential.

All that mattered was their anger that the Centre had reneged on its promise to redress fears about their children’s education, their jobs, availability of water for irrigation and the safety of their kin living in Hyderabad, a city that would ultimately be handed over to Telangana. Worse still, Union Ministers from Seemandhra and leaders, particularly Vizianagaram-based APCC chief Botcha Satyanarayana, were seen as conniving with the Centre while the A.K. Antony Committee meant to redress their grievances had vanished into thin air.

The sense of betrayal in Seemandhra is so deep that Congress leaders are gravitating either towards the YSR Congress or the Telugu Desam while some are taking temporary retirement from politics to focus on expanding their business empires. The BJP cannot be oblivious to the extent to which the political class as a whole has alienated itself from the people during the two-and-a-half month long agitation that was totally people-driven. In fact, it isn’t now since the party has been criticising the way the Centre has ignored the concerns of Seemandhra while pressing ahead with bifurcation.

It would be interesting to see if the main Opposition party, which has backed the United Progressive Alliance on several occasions in the monsoon session, would go along with the Congress on Telangana too when the Constitution Amendment Bill comes up in Parliament for passage by two-thirds majority.

[Yagnasri]

Bill does not need 2/3 majority. Idiots are writings things.

NGO agitation suspended after assurance from CM that they will oppose division. In the meanwhile bjp Telangana leaders want no pact with CBN. seems they want to go alone. They are now attacking Venkayya for pact talks. Venkayya who supported division all along now looter for them. I do not know how bjp can dramatically improve with mafia mother taking credit for division. Modi efforts in AP are slowly going waste?

[ShyamSP]

What is article Article 371 D? How exactly can this stop the division. Suddenly all the discussion moved around this.

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http://www.constitution.org/cons/india/p21371d.html
371D. Special provisions with respect to the State of Andhra Pradesh.-

(1) The President may by order made with respect to the State of Andhra Pradesh provide, having regard to the requirements of the State as a whole, for equitable opportunities and facilities for the people belonging to different parts of the State, in the matter of public employment and in the matter of education, and different provisions may be made for various parts of the State.
...
(10) The provisions of this article and of any order made by the President thereunder shall have effect notwithstanding anything in any other provision of this Constitution or in any other law for the time being in force.
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Well constitution clearly says 317D is in effect over other provisions

As a matter of constitutional principle, A simple majority law can't overrule a super majority law and a super majority law can't override 2/3 majority law.

State division is simple majority act and 371D is not (I'm not sure if it is super majority or 2/3 majority). They will have to remove 371D. Otherwise it is violation of law of 371D as split violates AP peoples' opportunities and facilities in public employment and education.

So strike by NGOs and students in Seemandhra is direct indication of their rights being violated. Of course, Supreme court has to deem it is violation.

[Yagnasri]

No one cares for that. 371d was made to give assurance to coastal and Rayalaseema people when they wanted a separate state due to Mulki rules.

[devesh]

^^
you mean when they used mulki as an excuse to cover for the real threat: land reforms?

[chetak]

Basically leftist fellows and jholaWallas take part in this kind of drama as the have only such work. Normal people dont bothdr. Seems Saint Antony is now well and actively involved. Hope he involves himself with defense matters also with the same kind of eagerness.

Isn't he in the running for the next dehati aurat post if pappu's family comes back??

[Yagnasri]

Deveshji, when are land reforms implemented in AP? I am not sure because they were implemented everywhere. No area escaped. As for as i know 1971 agitation trigger was SC judgment on Mulki rules. Since I was 2 year at that time no first hand. knowledge is there.

[ramana]

The GOM to divide AP is like the Radcliffe Commisson to divide Punjab.
It has no representatives from AP state and is thus immaterial if not illegal.

[ShyamSP]

No one cares for that. 371d was made to give assurance to coastal and Rayalaseema people when they wanted a separate state due to Mulki rules.

371D doesn't talk about any region. It talks about rights for State of Andhra Pradesh and says older rules (all old rules including Mulki) of State of Hyderabad don't apply.

As for no one caring, why would Congress politicians care for laws. But there are checks are balances to protect Constitution. They have to repeal 371D via constitutional mechanism.

- Interesting thing some TRS leader was saying they want to keep 371D as is and maintain Zonal system so there is no need to repeal 371D. They want to fool the law with that statement.

But unfortunately, 371D is not applicable to regions but whole state. So if there is state split, it has to go first.

[Yagnasri]

That is a gray area. This clause can not be easily amended. I am not sure if state can be divided without amending this. But if the clause continues after any division then it continues to all the divided parts.

[RamaY]

One way to split Andhra Pradesh would be based on River Basins. Hopefully this will facilitate a better allocation and usage of water resources.

A Telangana State based on Godawari River Basin


and A Vijayanagara/Rayala Seema state based on Krishna River Basin


Interestingly the wealthy Hyderabad and Vijayawada regions will fall in Rayalaseema State while the wealthy Godawari Districts and Visakha Pattanam will fall in Telangana State. Another benefit is that both states will have access to ocean coast and can develop necessary port linkages.

Depending on the discussions between both regions either Hyderabad can remain as common capital of both states OR
- Hyderabad will become capital of Rayalaseema State, and
- Warangal is developed as Capital of Telangana state diverting newly proposed ITIR (IT Investment region) to Warangal thus making Hyderabad-Warangal route (180KM) as a larger IT and Technology Investment Region.

[devesh]

RamaY ji, I support your idea. if something like that were to take shape in the future decades, I'm all for it. the idea is intriguing on many fronts.

[Rony]

Sonia used AP Governor to run her writ on Telangana issue

One of the many institutions that have been fiddled with or destroyed completely by Sonia Gandhi’s UPA, is that of the Governor. Three examples that immediately come to mind are the Bihar fiasco in 2005 (because of which the then President, Dr APJ Abdul Kalam even wanted to step down from office!); HR Bharadwaj’s overt involvement in trying to topple the then Yeddyurappa Government; and Gujarat Governor’s blatant attempts to stall as many Bills as possible. Away from this media glare, Sonia Gandhi has effectively used the office of Governor in Andhra Pradesh to run her writ in the State.This is one of the most perfect example of using this post to undermine an elected State Government (this case is more uinique because this is her own party’s Government!).

In December 2009, EL Narsimhan was appointed as Governor after the great ND Tewari expose. The State was just beginning to go through it’s most tumultuous phase (the whole Telangana announcement and it’s subsequent withdrawal). Rosaih was the Chief Minister, and since he was perceived to be less competent to deal with such political matters, the new Governor was given the mandate of involving himself in matters of daily governance too. He even reviewed the law and order situation with police officials directly, without the CM or any Minister present.

Rosaih once advised his Ministerial colleagues something on these lines “I can’t do much. If there is anything else, please go to the Governor directly.” Ever since, EL Narsimhan continued to play an active role in important matters of law and order. Just so you forget, the people of Andhra Pradesh have elected the Congress to govern them. And at times of crisis, Sonia Gandhi found a solution in an appointed governor, not in any elected leader! The Governor himself has met Sonia Gandhi on various occasions over the last three years, to report to her on the happenings in the State. When questioned on this blatant transgression (by the local media of course, ‘national’ media couldn’t care less!), he merely replied – “Any citizen is free to meet Sonia Gandhi”!

And Narsimhan has again been summoned to New Delhi. This time for a four full days. He is scheduled to meet many Ministers. Perhaps, he will meet Sonia Gandhi too. Atleast till now, no meeting with the Prime Minister is scheduled – because PM is out of the country. Some strange timing this by the Governor (or is it by Sonia Gandhi?). Needless to say, the topic of discussions during his visit will be the bifurcation of the State. Perhaps, the UPA Government did not even talk to the Chief Minister in such detail, as much as they are talking to the Governor!

The Chief Minister of AP has given another statement on Sunday. On a visit to those affected by the recent Phailin Cyclone (he took one week to visit the areas – shows all that is wrong with this administration!), he said this: “I could not stop the Phailin Cyclone, but I will ensure to stop the bifurcation cyclone”. This open defiance of the Chief Minister obviously hasn’t gone well with Sonia Gandhi – and she therefore has fallen back on the Governor yet again! It’s like we have President’s rule without having President’s rule! Local newspapers have on Monday reported that the Chief Minister is planning to have the Government programmes based meetings in various districts and stress on the need for the State to be united. Even the PCC chief is now openly saying that he will strive to defeat the motion in Assembly.

In an unusual outburst, the Lok Satta party chief, Jayaprakash Narayan has demanded to know if the entity in New Delhi is a Government or a private company? At a time when various sections of people wish to meet the GoM and discuss their problems, GoM merely asked everyone to send an e-mail to them! This got to JP – who sees this is as another insult to the people. He has called for boycotting the GoM. He opines that this GoM lacks the seriousness and capability to handle such a complicated issue.

A few Union Ministers from Seemandhra are now toeing the line of the Congress high command. They have apparently reconciled to the fact that the State will be bifurcated. Now, they are merely making a ‘demand’ (read it as request or pleading!) that Hyderabad be made a Union Territory. If Sonia Gandhi decides that Hyderabad will not be an UT, even then these Ministers won’t resign. They will come up with some other excuse to cling to the office. What else can we expect from Congress folks?

[Vayutuvan]

RamaY garu nice idea to be given wider publicity.

[devesh]

the Upper Coastal plains of AP (Vishakha sector) should be cleaved from the Lower Kosta. then both these areas can be tied with respective interior areas. the Godavari districts and Up can be part of one State, and the Krishna districts down to Nellore can be part of another.

biggest hurdle will be the bogey of "Telugu khatrey mein hai". come to think of it, same will be the bogey raised in Karnataka, Maha, Chattisgarh, and Odisha. but perhaps geography is a more natural unit of Provincial division than purely linguistic ones.

also, I would like both Kerala and TN to be included in prospective plans of that sort. no need to let our brothers down South feel neglected, after all.

[Vayutuvan]

Devesh garu, IMHO you are trivializing the issue. Please don't (from a fellow T).

[devesh]

^^^
I have no idea what you mean. you'd have to elaborate. Also, just in case the kosta brothers are thinking that this is another nefarious plot, please think twice. go back and look at the boundaries of the proposed idea. it actually, facilitates the broadening of the Interior-Coastal interaction by incorporating a greater interior component, and anchoring the economic/agricultural/trade-based potential of the coastal regions with the resources and man-power of the interior.

the only obstacle is linguistic hurdles.

[Vayutuvan]

Devesh, noted. Elaboration is forthcoming soon.

[RajeshA]

Published on Oct 22, 2013
Anti-Telangana leaders pin hopes on President, courts, BJP: Deccan Chronicle

Hyderabad: Why is Chief Minister N. Kiran Kumar Reddy so confident that the state will not be divided before the next general election, when the Centre is going full speed ahead with the bifurcation process? Seemandhra Congress MP Vundavalli Arun Kumar said that the Chief Minister has a secret strategy to stall the division.

According to sources, the confidence of the Chief Minister and some Seemandhra Congress leaders stems from their faith in three entities: the President, the courts, and the BJP.

Seemandhra leaders who are opposing the state’s division are hoping that President Pranab Mukherjee will send the Telangana Resolution or Bill to the Assembly to express its views.

If Seemandhra MLAs oppose the Telangana Bill or Resolution in the Assembly, the President may not send it directly to Parliament, but may call for legal opinion first. This is bound to take some time.

The second hope is that the central government’s decision to divide the state will be challenged in the courts. Mr Rajagopal and Mr Arun Kumar, both MPs, are discussing the matter with legal experts.

If the central government is found not to be following the correct procedure, according to the Con-stitution, in the formation of the new state, the courts may grant a stay on the government’s decision on state division.

Seemandhra Congress leaders are also pinning their hopes on the BJP. In the coming Assembly elections to five states, if the BJP gets good resu-lts, it may move a no-co-nfidence motion against the UPA government in order to get political mileage in the forthcoming Lok Sabha elections.

The results of the five state Assembly elections will be announced before the next Parliament session, which is expected to start in the first week of December.

Otherwise, too, the BJP may stall Parliament because of the coal and other scams and de-mand the resignation of the Prime Minister.

In the ensuing confusion, the central government may not introduce the T Bill in Parliament.

If any of these scenarios plays out, Andhra Pradesh will not be divided before the general election, the Seemandhra Congress leaders hope.

[member_27873]

Don't confuse between navayuga and navodaya

IIRC correctly navodaya publishers were exclusive distributors of Mir publishers, Izvestia and novotsni press as well
One such was vislandhra publications also

Where they were not landed gentry they become communists
Where they are landed gentry they become socialists, or swatantra party or congress party

Agriculture income is not taxed even today, EG and WG were only fertile lands not dependent on rain,
As such all income was pumped into cine field which was again run on white ( non taxed white money)
Into money multiplier schemes to convert into black so goes the black and white movies.
Then came color movies which were financed from the full spectrum...

The early sixties saw the migration of the named groups into telengana


The nagurjuna sagar lead to migration of the said community into telengana heart land of nalgonda and earlier it happened in Nizamabad due to ram sagar project ion Godavari
Remember also in Bhodan which is actually Bhoodan aka Bhomidan under acharya vino a bhave
became sugar capital next to anakpalle

Ramay ji great idea for once telengana will also be all at sea but not ocean front?

[Vayutuvan]

Devesh garu

By bringing in Karnataka and TN into an equation that essentially AP internal matter, we would be trivializing the reasons and the history of T demand. There may be some linguistic chauvinism and parochialism on the part of a few TN vested interest elites who want the division to take place. OTH, the demand was a long standing one and there is no hope of reconciliation at this point. It is best that the division is complete without rancor and show that it can work in the best interests of the two/three parties that went their own separate ways but they cooperate on projects that have tangible outcomes than some air-headed tolly-stuff. Obviously the new parties are going to have more affinity with each other because they are bound by common language and culture.

Once this is shown to work, we can concentrate to further widen the gap while the demands start and/or gain steam in TN and Karnataka and let the elite who have their hands on the levers of power (is that the word used by some members here before?) to pay the price of their perfidy in the division of AP.

What RamaY garu proposed is a good plan that would satisfy several different groups and yet is a balanced division in that each region gets something and avoids exposing the major chink of upper/lower riperian parties. This is important because a ccrack like this can be used in the future to play tricks on the commons by dilli sarkar.

[devesh]

matrimc garu, I agree that the current division should take place. In fact, at this point, the above proposal would only further increase the rancor and choas on both sides. there is too much vested elite interest now. so, the division will go ahead as planned.

no, but in the long term, I have a feeling that this question is not resolved. My gut feeling is, the question will come up again in a generation's time.

the ideal scenario, both economical and geopolitical, is to have a strong interior-coastal based political structure.

the remnant "Andhra" state post-division will be a purely trading/business dominated entity. agriculture is the backbone of the prosperity. but in the modern era, once the business empires pick up, they end up towering over other "landed" economic interests.

in the long run, the coast should be tied to hinterland areas. the Andhra/Telangana question will be revisited again in 30 years. at that time, the backdrop of the broader Bharatiya subcontinental scenario will play its own role in deciding what geographic formulation will be chosen as the way forward. a simple "re-comibining" of Telangana and Andhra will not suffice, nor is it likely to be tried. the overall scenario of India at that time will be a significant force behind the restructuring. just as it is now.

[Yagnasri]

Unless there is a serious change on how politics run in our country in future there will be more new states as it decentralize looting.

[vishvak]

More cracks will also mean long term politicking by concerned parties and may be international politicking too.