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What about the Moists like Manishakar Ayyar and others within congress and people like N Ram who openly support Naxal cause. Of course that stupid A Roy already discredited herself. But there are many in the so called mainstream media and "Intellectual" who openly share the same ideas. In Telugu Media and Tv over ground naxals like Gaddar Varavara Rao Kodandaram (Telangana agitation fame) are regularly appearing which simpathetic Tv producers giving lot of time to them. Unless this anti national activities are stopped there will no peace and naxals will continue to do their activities.

Narayana Rao wrote:What about the Moists like Manishakar Ayyar and others within congress and people like N Ram who openly support Naxal cause. Of course that stupid A Roy already discredited herself. But there are many in the so called mainstream media and "Intellectual" who openly share the same ideas. In Telugu Media and Tv over ground naxals like Gaddar Varavara Rao Kodandaram (Telangana agitation fame) are regularly appearing which simpathetic Tv producers giving lot of time to them. Unless this anti national activities are stopped there will no peace and naxals will continue to do their activities.

Are we talking of McCarthyism here?

Neela wrote:Support Naxals, face punishment

Better late than never. maoists wanted an all-out war, now they have it. it seems time-up game-over for jholawallas misusing freedom of speech to further propagate their totalitarian ideology. now if SuAR or any of the self proclaimed intellectuals open their mouth to support maoists they will get a lathi in their mouth and they know they deserve it.

Narayana Rao wrote:What about the Moists like Manishakar Ayyar and others within congress and people like N Ram who openly support Naxal cause. Of course that stupid A Roy already discredited herself. But there are many in the so called mainstream media and "Intellectual" who openly share the same ideas. In Telugu Media and Tv over ground naxals like Gaddar Varavara Rao Kodandaram (Telangana agitation fame) are regularly appearing which simpathetic Tv producers giving lot of time to them. Unless this anti national activities are stopped there will no peace and naxals will continue to do their activities.

Agree. This over ground network of maoists sustains their criminal enterprise. Propaganda, supplies, and recruitment are all carried out by these self proclaimed intellectuals. These are the hands and legs of the maoist body, once these are taken care of, the main maoist body is crippled.

Avinash R wrote:

Narayana Rao wrote:What about the Moists like Manishakar Ayyar and others within congress and people like N Ram who openly support Naxal cause. Of course that stupid A Roy already discredited herself. But there are many in the so called mainstream media and "Intellectual" who openly share the same ideas. In Telugu Media and Tv over ground naxals like Gaddar Varavara Rao Kodandaram (Telangana agitation fame) are regularly appearing which simpathetic Tv producers giving lot of time to them. Unless this anti national activities are stopped there will no peace and naxals will continue to do their activities.

Agree. This over ground network of maoists sustains their criminal enterprise. Propaganda, supplies, and recruitment are all carried out by these self proclaimed intellectuals. These are the hands and legs of the maoist body, once these are taken care of, the main maoist body is crippled.

I only hope that these measures are adopted against politicians who support Maoists as well ...

Maoists blast CRPF vehicle in Chhattisgarh, 6 killed

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Indi ... 907398.cms

CRPF commandant suspended for supplying ammo to Maoists

What about poisonous websites such as Indianvanguard, tamiltribune and its trojan clones apart from youtube account which spread the good news gospel of maoism? Why is the MHA still silent in spite of being informed of it by so many people? What about armchair marxists[shall we say brahminical marxists ] &/language fanatics sitting in IIT's [with other couriers in other citadels in other parts other than the north and the east being overlooked ] or JNU's and other universities who want nothing but the breakup of India in search of a possible dravidian tamil nation [premised on great tamil peoples history and being twice born against other speakers who are impure infidels worthy of death, and want death of the idea of India however imperfect it may be, but they sit funded by the state?
The arm chair marxists on being countered for discussion sake by dissenting people [swallowing fire inside] but trying to defend India are countered with that rhetorical gobblesian retort on the island India allegedly gave away to the Srilankans and tamizh fisher brothers[what is the government doing then, one must neutralize every issue and resolve them before they can be whipped by the fanatics and that is sadly not the case because justice delayed is justice denied] are dying because of that, so that means the freedom struggle of the valiant southern tamil warrior race( Poor Bharathi was such a fool who wasted his time defending India) must be advanced, subservient to a new form of capitalist form of accumulation founded on worship of language(already vignettes exist of that and how to divert all other problems can be easily worked out and the great march of the people with their language as their religion could be initiated) and a great linguistic past and those research scholars[ a condemnable term research scholar used only in India, whereas everywhere in west everyone is a student including professors and everyone is a perpetual learner and the word scholar smacks of the rot and arrogance] who have been research scholars for decades in the many universities, could now take the role of galvanizing the petty bourgeoise and annihilating class enemies[one must read of what stalin and mao thought of these urban intellectuals to know what is fact and what is folklore].

They are always in a state of permanent numbness, eating,smoking ITC fliterkings or sometimes gopal beedi [made from the humble tobacco labourers toil] whilst discussing imminent revolution of the people's commune with chai and gobi manchurian (can they try being tobacco labourers for one day or fight for their rights), engaging in the god making project of periyar and stalin and lenin[just like other gods were post 1947 in India] because they have most of the day looking free for them and mocking at beliefs even if they were arbitrary and could be considered as religion as condemnable, drinking, sleeping,copulating, eating chicken curry on mondays[where is piety for the poor here?], fish on sunday etc, often doing nothing much in-terms of practical action and happily joining the jholllawalah bonfire and doing nothing much otherwise other than taking of marxist -lennist/or stalinist progres understanding and crushing the imperialist infidels and class enemies and those who dare to dissent [how many years will it take to make the university free of them]?

These jhollawallahs attack the west with impunity but are the first to lap up its favours, grab the 6 month tour, possibly play the poor student card (its a visit hard earned after all after working the grant industry) in visit well, some gloat to comrades how they ate 2 meals and lived on fruits and because gullible fools are ready to believe in direct opposition to the picture of a marxist lenninist happy well fed research scholar working through eating in the capitalist restaurants. They moan of being racially discriminated, possibly evade the legitimate object of their visit in what is really a sightseeing tour[or to save and extract money from the grant pot when it is active, for future self-consumption in India on return]; every country has its own culture and every country cannot be amberpet or bowenpalli chowrastha or donakonda or siddipet town where you can spit pan on the road} when abroad[but lambast the west at every given opportunity{also having the corrupt moral thesis kick in to support their claims{marxism did not say anything on moral ambivalence as far as one knows, as opposed to their poorer inferior capitalist cousins who also dream of a good start)].


They write in flattering terms about overseas academics who in their own country would never have seen such patronizing flattery[because it is difficult to get out of the mousetrap especially if you by accident happen to visit India and are shown the pathways of India] or else take the India international centre activist route, but talk of hegemony and being brainwashed by the evil imperialists. What hypocricy? Who is a bourgeois rodent then? A student cleaning toilets in Paddington station and studying or the happily comfortable jhollah wallah who does not have to work to pay for the roof and for the food? The carriers are just waiting to deliver the target to the recipient who will train them.

The nexus of corruption and perpetual slumber will ensure that the above websites and people will be in business and impart their ideology to the next generation with talks in the websites of starting marxist-leninst-stalinist schools of training youngsters in revolution and violent peoples struggle. Maoism is right there at the doorstep in the universities nurtured by the state, in the blogs, in the websites, in the facebook. Why does one have to go to the jungles when ready carriers are waiting to embrace? Who gets caught in the cross fire, it seems that the poor are the victims. Unless the state redresses their grievances, the middle class steps out of its comfort zone [otherwise ignoring the other world will lead their bubble being pricked beyond repair] to make a small difference to the poor, more will join this totalitarian ideology which is no different from jihad.It is a duty of the state to keep vigil on the sympathisers and couriers and defend freedom [alleged bourgeois by the jhollhahwalahs] One awaits a weepy eyed patronising guardian article[its been a while since the last arundhati piece came], has it not?
No action seems to have been taken? One is yet to hear of a cohesive action plan with development as its central emphasis and with land reforms [on another note a useful lecture was given last week by Pranab Bardhan at the LSE where he compared India and China his latest book 'rising giants feet of clay India and china' may be of interest to strategic readers because it has some interesting statistics especially on malnutrition and income disparity] and social justice[which is more complicated than the we the people media makes it out to be] is achieved in the tribal areas[ the activists favourite colonial dream to make a nice verrier elwin story and decide for the tribals who he has little affinity with other than cute tribal paintings to be put in Delhi soon and for the activist girls trinklets with their fab india kurtas and levis jeans amidst joining in the rain dance, why should tribals not learn english and science], the depressed castes and the poor[otherwise there will be more cyber magic realistic portrayals of activists/or maoists therefore suffocating ordinary people who try to help others without any motive]?

jaibhim,

All in good time, I suspect. Not everything proceeds (or should, optimally, proceed) according to hyper-charged jingo wishes after all .

Freedom of speech etc is a fundamental right for good reason. Its, ahem, adjustments quickly lead to a slippery slope phenomenon only. Of course the left has quite successfully imposed speech restrcitions on anything non-secular in the public and polite gossip space, as we can all attest to.

However, while freedom of speech can be misused and often is, it also provides the bad guys the chance to expose themselves for what they really are, and the good guys an opportunity to see the bad guys, their contacts, networks, modus operandi and so on for what they are.

MHA prolly has entire files and cabinets ful of incriminating evidence laden dossiers on each of these overgroundu gandus, I trust. Better to probe, push and see who among the overgroundus is weak, can be turned, used to ensnare some of the harder ones and so on. All part of an old, elaborate game. Am glad MHA has at least declared intent to take on the challenge head-on. They've given 'fair' warning of sorts to do-gooders and the well-meaning mislead to back off while there still is time. Wait for the bricks to fall now. By the ton. The entire edifice of the overgroundu propagandu machinery is on shaky night-soil.

Lez wait and see. Jai ho.

I hope so Mr.Hari. We in the forum have been monitoring these websites and also know of some of the well know couriers and propagandists including those we know[but fear to name] in cities and towns known to us who do not come in mainstream media but are active in the cyber world and are active propagandists carrying the cart forward on their shoulders. I have in more ways then one pointed out to some characters we in our daily lives come across and were once considered as possible friends[but play out like the two people in the story After 20 years in O Henry's story] as we travelled through university and are now at their zenith dreaming of tamil freedom and peoples revolution having joined the peoples march and the party recently in order to outdo each other in bravado and their dangerous ideology[they are now actively impregnating the poison] but we cannot but twiddle our thumbs sadly because they will thrive and crush any aspiration on freedom and liberty.

Nothing much seems to happen. Otherwise let us hope for the best and meanwhile wait for the next big weep in the guardian!

I have a feeling that thecommunist ideology is being revived as a tool to counter or captivate radicals who the dumb manipulators think would go otherwise into Islamism. In India communism is a good tool to divert those who would otherwise turn their idealism to the hated "Hindu". (Early Bengali radicals consistently used Hindu memes).

One thing that is lacking in the web sphere are sites that analyze and put up the real history of communism, not only just its practical implementations- which will always be justified in the same way as Islam - the ideology is heavenly, only individuals deviated. But there are inherent logical and foundational fallacies which are not clearly presented to potential recruits.

The problem with many indian communists even the not so dogmatic ones is their blind admiration of marxists who lived in different cultural milieus and in different situation. Any reading of reasoned arguments such as Karl Popper[a must for any educated person to read ] Open Society and its enemies is shunned as an untouchable that is profane. A critique is therefore an attack on the main religion,which stalinist-lenninist communism has become and therefore has to be viscously defended to protect the interests of the dominant elite and the class enemies killed [which the party acolytes from madras, jnu [it is time a audit is done here, the humanities and other departments of IITs and other universities of the research output, publications and theft from other works, of these research scholars who are the main urban couriers of spring thunder! These couriers eat tax payers money, [the class enemy even if the breadwinner is a ordinary chaprasi] swallow scholarships, have AC rooms[bourgeois rodents ofcourse cannot be entitled to any luxury] and capture funds but attack the idea of the fragile but imperfect democracy and the idea of India wanting nothing but revolutionary liberation and a glorious tamil nation with all enemies brutally stabbed!

They then become lecturers and along with some other faculty generally have no gainful work but draw salary and have one paper published in 1984 in the journal of soviet studies for instance, what a sham what a sham[ strict action taken taken against laziness and one might reap the benefits of savings], papers published action is taken against the banayan tree elements who blindly sing hossanas about the good news and this gospel]. It is a pity that today many do not have a basic idea of rational analysis which was done long back and in fact was the most stinging attack on totalitarian ideologies such as maoism and stalinist communism such as Theodore Adorno and Walter Benjamin. http://www.marxists.org is an excellent repository of material apart from you tube which has clippings of adorno, walter benjamin etc. There is a lot of material out there apart from Leszek Kołakowski's excellent appraisal of the roots of stalinist communism which being a religion has codes of conduct for its zombie followers.


One needs to be generally aware [one must only read the pre 1947 letters written by Netaji(kadam kadam badaye ja!) to understand his depth and sweep over a range of subjects and his command over the english language which comes not out of aping, but out of reading] and any strategic analysis is spurious without understanding what drives human behavior, and Durkheim, Weber, Marx included[he was right in his own way, but when a thought becomes defied the problems begin therein], Indian nihilism and deductive logic, Foucault and basic economics and game theory without which one cannot have the tools toanticipate the next move of ones opponent.[just read another site kafila<though not as potent as another mouthpiece sahniti> where many of the elite bob-cut maoist delhi firmament meet and blindly sing praises on their new god hail him, worship him one marxist zizek, with only jairus banaji and rohini hensman fighting a lone battle against the tirade of the cult]. To fight spring thunder one must have a Churchillian backbone and moral rectitude which most of our present polity lacks unlike the stalwarts before 1947 and that is why there is ambivalence and pampering of these elements when ordinary jawans from small town India succumb to bullets!

Most of Indian jhollawahllahs, read one book on Foucault and think they can attack the great thinker with their half baked understanding. Without any rootedness, without any understanding of sociology and economics our managers are doomed and so is our security strategy[contrast this with the sheer depth and sweep of strategic studies abroad where sociology is the heart of the program] which will be equal to stop sahmat say we want peace and candle light peace marches and complex problems as equal to we the people sound bytes. The consequence of ignorance is now very pervasive one will produce a generation of coolies,ready slaves to work for alien masters and that includes the johllawallahs and those who lack the honour a whore has, as they sell their wares for a price in the guardian, the telegraph and other media. Remember Doughlas McAurther and the marching song of the Grenediers and the value of honour and honesty. Those who go abroad often forget the land they grew up and join the orientalist chorus to climb the power habitus there.


In India it is a natural tendency to bow to authority and be subservient to the dominant power and abdicate responsibility because someone else will decide because of the superior knowledge the person claims to possess, a legacy of colonialism and history. Therefore it is only natural that the jhollawallahs need to outdo each other in their pretensions of loyalty and show that they are twice born and encompass the encompassed in their loyalty to the master their party their boss, not the humble public whose aspirations they through their party are the final arbiters.

Nihat wrote:Naxals have mined roads, years in advance, say cops

Gerard wrote:Fear, extortion drive away teachers

While all this is going on, you have mobs of Congress thugs, led by Sonia Gandhi loyalists, freeing Maoist king-pins from jail. (http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 46#p859746)

And so many Indians politicians are too scared to challenge Navin Chawla's unverifiable EVMs.

India will get what it deserves. Survival has to be earned, it is not given for free.

Powerful landmine unearthed in Chhattisgarh
Raipur: A landmine, carrying 50 kgs of explosives, planted by Naxals, was unearthed today from a national highway in Dantewada district of Chhattishgarh, police said. The landmine was detected by a special police team on NH-221 near Manikonta village in Errabor, on a tip off that ultras had placed explosives deep under the road, Dantewada superintendent of police Amresh Mishra told PTI.
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Many lives saved by timely action


maoists continue to "help"tribals; Six tribals injured in Maoists attack in A.P.

http://svaradarajan.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... -roys.html

Intellectual warfare in the stalinist camp...the first comment on that may appear familiar to readers of BRF...

Maoists are misguided ideologues: Digvijay

Karan Thapar , CNN-IBN

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 18:16

New Delhi: Senior Congress leader Digvijay Singh believes the Maoists are “misguided ideologues” and though the country must oppose their violence the rebels not terrorists.

Singh was speaking to Karan Thapar on CNN-IBN's show Devil's Advocate. His interview comes after he criticized Home Minister P Chidambaram in a newspaper article on April 14, accusing him of treating the Maoists as a mere law and order problem.

MAN WITH VIEWS: Senior Congress leader Digvijay Singh speaks his mind.

Chidambaram, a two time chief minister of Madhya Pradesh, said the Maoists' call for overthrowing the country’s political system “unacceptable”.

“We cannot succumb to this kind of violence but the key issue is how do you tackle it,” he said.

Singh, a Congress general secretary, was asked if he believed the term “misguided ideologues” lightens the crimes and violence of the rebels.

“No one can defend their criminal activities but they are not terrorists. They are those people who have committed acts of crime, which have to be dealt with firmly and decisively, but at the same time you cannot equate them with cross-border terrorists.”

Thapar asked Singh if he saw the rebels as misguided ideologues. “Absolutely,” he replied.

“They are certainly not terrorists,” he said.

Singh said he had no quarrel with the issues Maoists are fighting for. “I have no quarrel as far as their issues are concerned. They are genuine, they are relevant, but the point is that their strategy and their methodology is condemnable and not acceptable at all.”

Singh claimed that his views of adopting a multi-pronged strategy to tackle the Maoist threat has led Chidambaram to accept that the Maoists can't be tackled by military power alone. He also said sorry to the Home Minister for calling him arrogant and rigid.

“I am very happy that the Prime Minister and Chidambaramji have accepted this that you cant send the Army, you cant send the Air Force and we cannot defeat them militarily.”

“The Prime Minister himself told me that it has to be a multi-pronged strategy (against Maoists) that has to be implemented together and so has Chidambaram told me the same,” he said.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/maoists-are- ... ml?from=tn

Digvijay Singh's "Misguided Ideologues" kill 4 CPI(M ) party workers

Jhargram: Four CPI-M supporters were on Friday shot dead by suspected Maoists and their bodies dumped on the state highway at Belpahari near Lalgarh in West Midnapore district with the ultras threatening to intensify their bloody campaign.
The middle-aged CPI-M supporters were picked up from their residences at Chandabila village in nearby Binpur police station by a group of 20 armed Maoist cadre last midnight. Earlier this month, Maoists had shot at and seriously injured 50-year-old Alok Mahali, a CPI(M) leader, at Gidhni in West Midnapore district.

Diggi Raja must be happy now. Maoists butcher old and defenseless political opponents of his, while he becomes the mouthpiece of the maoists to create a positive spin for their murderous acts. Win-Win situation.

some news which shows the true state of congress party in WB
Blow to Cong, Rahul aide joins Trinamool camp

KOLKATA: The Congress received yet another jolt in West Bengal on Wednesday when Mahua Moitra, a member of AICC general secretary Rahul Gandhi's youth brigade, formally joined Trinamool Congress at Mamata Banerjee's first campaign meeting for the civic polls on Wednesday.
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After former Pradesh Congress Committee working president Subrata Mukherjee, she is the second important Congress leader in the state to have dumped Congress for the Trinamool after the failure of the Mahajot for the municipal polls.

Writers' in 3 months, thunders Mamata

Unlike Congress leaders, who spent much of their campaign speech on Tuesday on the collapse of the Mahajot in Bengal, Mamata did not even name Congress.

This must be the real reason why some congress party workers are supporting the maoists. Use one mad dog(CPI-Maoists) to weaken another(CPI-Marxists)


‘Top Maoist leader behind Silda attack'

KOLKATA: Top Maoist leader Bikash is believed to have been in the vanguard of the attack on the Silda police camp in West Bengal where lack of alertness had made the jawans at the Easter Frontier Rifles easy targets, investigations have revealed.

may bikash get to enjoy police hospitality soon.

I have tried to point out that the Congress will try to preserve the Left-CPI(M) strength as a pressure point on MB. The Maoists will also target the CPI(M) or "allowed/encouraged" to do so. The main target is now to trim the CPI(M) so that it can no longer play a "national" electoral blackmailing role, but keep it in "suspended animation" in the hope that over the long run, the personality cult based MB's "grassroots" movement and CPI(M) will weaken each other out in a war of attrition. The central Congress planners hope to fill the space then. Their hopes will be raised by those in the state who typically get tired over the internal factional infighting in the regional politics - and as in the past - would convert to becoming courtiers and bootlickers of the UP clique (as they did in the MGK-SB conflict). Of course the Maoist stick will also remain to beat both MB and CPI(M).

The Maoists will not take moves that go against Islamists, EJists, and UP/Delhi based Congress core interests.

But I think, the central Congress coterie is making the same blunder that led to the Partition in 47 and regional separatisms as far as Bengal is concerned. The vision of the Delhi coterie is limited to a very narrow geographical vision of India - the upper UP as the core and all important centre with its "national" vision focused on the continuation of a dynasty. They are still doing everything necessary to preserve only that core, and all else is expendable. This is how they lost the sympathy and loyalty of what they considered the "periphery". By equating the nation with a "dynasty" and a small region, they have now backed into a corner from which they are unlikely to recover.

The Congress centre therefore has no genuine trust and even an attempt to understand, respect and engage with "periphery" to create a national sense of belonging. Most of the "periphery" are simply wanting recognition and acknowledgement of belonging to the "concept" of India, and corresponding treatment. If the Congress could begin to trust the regions a bit more, at the risk of possibly jeopardizing the continued hold of dynastic stranglehold (basically through which a small coterie continue to enjoy nation's resources) - allow greater competition for the "topmost" post - and even accept regional origin but nationally capable leaders to take the key post - it just may save itself and India from a deadly struggle.

But I do not think they have that sort of statesmanship. MB represents the frustration of "capable" regions not allowed to play national role. However, she faces an uphill task. The Congress will covertly pull the "Left", and try to bring dissension within TM. However they fail to see trends. Moreover, the Islamists in WB will favour greater separation of WB from Delhi, and MB will be forced to seek their support in competition with the Left. The Congress game in WB is dangerous for the nation, and I think neither MB, nor the Congress or the Left are capable of holding the state against international design.

Forget, the Congress or other national parties - whoever here dreams of a future truly national party - should think of preparing leadership who are multilingual and can more or less speak all the basic regional languages, have a thorough grounding in all the regional histories/peculiarities/sentiments, and a willingness to project an overall single national vision that genuinely treats all Indians equally with a conscious suppression of regional distinctions while making "regions" feel important and "belong".

A tough task perhaps, but we are centuries late in learning our lessons. The WB scenario can be a good starting point.

The London-based "Revolutionary Internationalist Movement", which includes both the Indian Maoists and the Nepali Maoists: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution ... t_Movement

This is their magazine: A WORLD TO WIN: http://www.aworldtowin.org/index2.htm

Address: BCM World to Win, London WC 1 N 3XX U. K.

Naxals blow up bus near Dantewada, 50 feared killed

Naxalites have blown up a civilian bus at Chingawaram near Dantewada in Chhattisgarh. Fifty people are feared killed. There were CRPF jawans travelling on the bus, along with civilians.

Early reports said at least 30 people had been killed in the landmine blast. But Special DG V Raman said: "I fear at least 50 dead, we are checking.

shravan wrote:Naxals blow up bus near Dantewada, 50 feared killed

Naxalites have blown up a civilian bus at Chingawaram near Dantewada in Chhattisgarh. Fifty people are feared killed. There were CRPF jawans travelling on the bus, along with civilians.

Early reports said at least 30 people had been killed in the landmine blast. But Special DG V Raman said: "I fear at least 50 dead, we are checking.

How many more people will need to die before the people of this country realize that the enemy is within, not just in the jungles. When will people realize that "band-aid" action in the jungles are pointless when you have Sonia loyalists freeing Maoist king-pins from jail.

Well, cops are being targetted, next in line would be the babus and judiciary. I doubt if the political class would wake up until a major tragedy happens in a urban center.

Babus and judiciary who back Maoists will not be targeted.

It is extremely sad news to see so many police/CRPF officers dying. Maoists may be achieving in the form of killing the morale of the internal security forces.

Part of the problem seems to be the dithering in the mandate given to PC - see http://sify.com/news/i-have-limited-man ... efcgf.html

New Delhi: While in yet another deadly attack at least 50 people were killed when the Maoists blew up a civilian bus triggering a landmine at Dantewada in Chhattisgarh on Monday, Union Home Minister P Chidambaram said he has limited mandate to act against the rebels.

"I have asked for more mandate to the Prime Minister," he told NDTV, adding that there is a need to revisit the tactical operations against the Maoists.

also - breaking news on NDTV "Chidambaram on Naxal attack - 'All CMs back me on using air support" - apparently he's been asking for this, but has not received this.

also - breaking news on NDTV "Chidambaram on Naxal attack - 'All CMs back me on using air support" - apparently he's been asking for this, but has not received this.

I expect (no shame for wishing) to see some fireworks between ministers and INC party honchos. Dirt is coming out.

^^I agree. I sometimes wonder whether the party will split. Internal tussling spills out into the open just about every week now.

This foolishly half hearted and rag tag anti-naxal terroist strategy is coming to the fore now. Fair enough , the initial commitment is there for the HM but what after that.

From a distance it appears to me that the strategy is about putting in huge ammount of security forces in hostile jjungles with very poor support and logistics infrastructure and hope to dominate the area while not firing until fired upon , no air support , no real intensive training for CRPF, local police in poor shape , no dedicated anti naxal force, hell there are no BPJ's for the young CRPF boys on duty.

It is worse than lambs led to the slaughter because atleast the lamb knows his fate , our jawans are uncertain of their own safety let along Govt. policies. It's not just about the IED blast today but the general impunity with which naxals have been operating these days , killing political activists, abdusting villagers, blowing up school building and cell phone towers and there seems to be no-one to stop them.

The ultimate solution is staring us in the face and increasingly so , If we want those areas back in our control then only the Indian Army combined with comprehensive air back up will suffice.

The only thing which scares a bully is a bigger bully and the professional yet ruthless IA is exactly the force for this menace. Coming to human rights, I think the greatest abuse of human rights is when humans are not allowed access to clean water, food, jobs and development in general and the Naxals are doing exactly that and this cannot go on forever , our personnel are being killed in cold blood everyday and our own citizens are doing it, dosen't matter if they mention it or not but the naxals have a proper seperatist agenda which has to be put down.

About the morale of the IA and how it will go down if they fight their own people, I think that is gob shit. the morale of the force goes down when it sees news of fellow Security forces being killed everyday and even more so when our people do it. The naxals are a rabid dog with no control and they have to be put down.

Once the army clears the area of naxal within a year or so then the CRPF can re-establish themselves properly and intelligence network can be rebuilt from scratch and development can take place at a much higher rate.

If we continue to dilly dally though, the naxals will only get more encouragement - as it is they have the CRPF intimidated and policemen terrified, this cancer needs immidiate Chemo or else it will spread and lead to a full blown civil war in India within the next decade.

The army has controlled terror in J&K and NE India with great sucess and they were much tougher challenges tbh, the naxals are cowards who will piss in their pants at the first sight of IA approaching.

All in the name of votebank politics
are they trying to make naxals happy and win their support in the next elections in those electoral areas by not invoking army/airfore/intelligent action against these maniacs,??

Samay wrote:All in the name of votebank politics
are they trying to make naxals happy and win their support in the next elections in those electoral areas by not invoking army/airfore/intelligent action against these maniacs,??

You have to be sympathetic to INC. Please be in their shoes and then analyze . INC gets votes only from the following sections:

(1) Muslims - need to be very very very careful in dealing with terror related issues. It is better to create a strawmen like Hindu terror so that there could be equal-equal.
(2) Harijans and Adivasis - Entire Maoists/evangelical attractions are inside these communities and areas. PC wants to use armed forces and colleteral damage to rescue nation from this menace. However, INC gets most of its vote from these sections. In fact these are the only sections where you can really buy the vote with arrack and money and etc.

It will be suicidal for the INC at organizational level if they do anything and losing a bus load of commeners or paid-to-die police/army is not what may deter them. It will be interesting to see if PC can convince to do what he wants.

According to NDTV poll:

61% approve Home Minister's performance
67% want army to be used against Naxals

India Offers Talks If Maoist Rebels Stop Attacks
India Says It Will Hold Peace Talks With Maoists If They End Deadly Attacks
.(AP) NEW DELHI (AP) - India is willing to begin peace talks with Maoist rebels, but only if the insurgents halt all attacks for 72 hours, the home minister said Tuesday.The offer followed a rebel ambush Monday of a bus in central India that killed 31 police officers and civilians and highlighted the Maoists' strength despite a government offensive aimed at ending one of Asia's longest rebellions.The rebels, who have tapped into the rural poor's growing anger at being left out of the country's economic gains, are now present in 20 of the country's 28 states and have an estimated 10,000 to 20,000 fighters, according to the Home Ministry.Home Minister Palaniappan Chidambaram said in a television interview Tuesday that the government welcomes peace talks, as long as the insurgents halt attacks."I make the offer now: The Maoists should say, 'We abjure violence, we suspend violence,' and actually suspend violence, from any date they fix for 72 hours," he told the CNN-IBN news channel.The government would then convene talks with the insurgents, he said.The CNN-IBN television news channel quoted Ramanna, a Maoist leader in Chhattisgarh state, as saying over the phone that the government should first withdraw thousands of paramilitary soldiers deployed to fight the rebels and create peaceful conditions for talks. Ramanna uses one name.In a sign the government is also losing patience with the ongoing rebel attacks, Chidambaram expressed a willingness to authorize the use of air power in the fight.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/05/ ... 4746.shtml

Muppalla wrote:It is extremely sad news to see so many police/CRPF officers dying. Maoists may be achieving in the form of killing the morale of the internal security forces.

Sadly these guys are themselves to blame. They do not seem to have followed any sort of SOP or taken any precautions in spite of being in a danger zone.

They have been extremely poorly led, poorly trained and abandoned.

Their senior officers seem to be nalayaks who are shit scared of stepping out in the field. They have no loyalty to their men.

They are all drawing fat "hardship allowances" sitting in comfortable air conditioned offices.

For the bloody inefficiency of a few the entire anti maoist push will be setback by years. No other HM will ever show the balls of PC.

Top Indian Army Commanders' to discuss Naxal violence

In the wake of prevailing and developing security environment, army commanders' will also discuss key policy, and doctrinal issues.

The report, prepared by HQ Central Command, deals with resources required to tackle the Naxal menace, if the Army is called out to fight the Maoists.

Lalgarh: Naxals trigger IED blast, 4 CRPF personnel killed : http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news ... ed/620882/

Here comes the dung-beetle:
Cops shouldn't have used public bus: Arundhati : http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 946936.cms

Nihat wrote:Lanka offers India 'LTTE expertise' against Naxals

Sri Lanka is an Indic country which was saved from destruction by Chinese support. As for Sri Lanka helping India, why do you think Sonia will allow it? Here's what Subramanian Swamy has to say:

In 1977, when the Janata Party defeated the Congress at the polls, and formed the government, it widely known and published that Sonia with her two children abandoned Indira Gandhi, and ran to the Italian Embassy in New Delhi and hid there. Rajiv Gandhi was a government servant then[as an Indian Airlines pilot], but he too tagged along and hid in that foreign embassy ! Such was her baneful influence on him. Rajiv did snap out Sonia’s influence after 1989, but alas he was assassinated before he could rectify the situation.

Those close to Rajiv knew that he was planning set things right about Sonia after the 1991 elections. He held her to blame for all the financial scandals that led to his defeat at the 1989 polls. She knew of it too because he had told her on his trip to Soviet Union in February 1991. Ever wonder why Sonia’s closest advisers are those whom Rajiv literally hated? Ambika Soni is one such name. Ever wonder why she has asked the President of India to set aside on a mercy petition the Supreme Court judgment directing that Rajiv Gandhi’s LTTE killers be hanged, when she was not similiarly moved for Satwant Singh who killed Indira Gandhi or even recently for Dhanajoy Chattopadhyaya ? The explanation for this special consideration for the LTTE perhaps lies in what Rajiv had told her about their future. May be therefore Sonia feels obliged to the LTTE for the assassination. More on this later.

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But the most sinister aspect of Sonia Gandhi’s links is her connection with terrorists. I am still working on it, but she has had long connection with the Habash group of Palestinians [PFLP], and has funded Palestinian families that lost their kith and kin in a suicide bombing or hijacking episode. This fact, Rajiv Gandhi himself told me and was confirmed to me [the funding aspect] by Yassir Arafat when I met him in Tunis on October 17, 1990 at the request of Rajiv Gandhi. Rajiv and I were good friends from 1978, but became very close friends after V.P. Singh had betrayed him in 1987. We met practically every day, mostly in the early hours from 1AM to 4AM, discussed, chatted and gossiped on every topic. It was at my suggestion that Rajiv made Chandrashekhar the PM. And contrary to public impression, he was not mainly responsible for fall of Chandrashekar government[of which I was a Minister].

Besides the Palestinian extremists, the Maino family have had extensive business dealings ... since 1984 with the LTTE [“the Tamil Tigers”]. Sonia’s mother Paola Predebon Maino, and businessman Ottavio Quattrocchi are the main contacts with the Tigers. The mother used the LTTE for money laundering and Quattrocchi for selling weapons to earn commissions. Sonia’s conduit to the LTTE has been and is through Arjun Singh who uses Bangalore as the nodal point for contact.

There is a string of circumstantial evidence pointing to the prima facie possibility that the Maino family may have contracted with the LTTE to kill Rajiv Gandhi. The family may have assured the LTTE that nothing would happen to them because they would ensure it is blamed on the Sikhs or the evidence so much fudged that no court would convict them[ the LTTE intercepted transcripts show this expectation of the LTTE]. But D.R. Karthikeyan of the CBI who led the SIT investigation got the support of Narasimha Rao, cracked the case, and succeeded in getting the LTTE convicted in the trial court, which conviction was upheld by the Supreme Court in 1999.

Although on the involvement of some members of the Congress Party in the assassination, DRK soft peddled it ignoring a number of leads perhaps because he did not want political controversy to put road blocks on his investigation as a whole.

The Justice J. S. Verma Commission, which was set up as the last official act of the Chandrashekhar government before demitting office on June 21, 1991, did find that the Congress leaders had disrupted the security arrangements for the Sriperumbudur meeting. The Commission wanted further probe into it but the Rao government rejected that demand. In the meantime under Sonia’s pressure, the Jain Commission was set up by the Rao government, which tried to muddy the waters and thus exonerate the LTTE. But the trial court judgment convicting the LTTE came earlier than the Commission could conclude, and that sinister effort therefore too failed.

http://www.janataparty.org/soniaisthemodern.html

http://www.dailypioneer.com/256944/Maoi ... rissa.html

Maoists unleash violence in WB, Orissa

Maoists on Wednesday unleashed violence in West Bengal killing four CRPF men and blowing up a government office in Orissa on the last day of their 48-hour bandh in five states, spurning Home Minister P Chidambaram's offer for talks.

Before the bandh to protest security operations against them came to an end in West Bengal, Bihar, Jharkhand, Chhattisgarh and Orissa, the left wing extremists blasted IED at Lalgarh in Midnapore district killing four CRPF men and seriously injuring two others,
including a Deputy Commandant.

The CRPF men had set out from their camp at Goaltore market to patrol nearby villages and to visit another camp when the blast took place at Ramgarh, CRPF IG (Eastern Sector) M Nageswar Rao said here.

The blast left a five-feet deep crater on the road at Lalgarh which has been a hotbed of Naxal activities in the last couple of years.

In another incident in the district, suspected Maoists triggered a landmine blast on a railway track near Jhargram, injuring two drivers of a goods train and leaving the engine of the freight train damaged.

The engine and windshield of the train were damaged by the blast which left a two-feet deep crater at the spot. Several rail sleepers were blown off and the overhead power cable snapped on both tracks under the impact of the blast.

The incident disrupted train services on the Kharagpur-Tata Nagar section of South Eastern Railway, which cancelled or diverted a number of trains.

Normal life came to a standstill in Jungle Mahal areas of West Midnapore, Bankura and Purulia districts as vehicles remained off the roads and shops and markets remained closed.

In Orissa, armed ultras stormed the Badigata village in Malkangiri district in the wee hours and triggered a landmine explosion to blow up the panchayat office building, police said.

The bandh affected vehicular movement in Naxal-hit districts of Malkangiri, Koraput, Gajapati, Rayagada and Sundargarh where commercial establishments remained closed. Other districts were unaffected.

In Jharkhand, surface transport remained affected in the rural areas but no untoward incident was reported from anywhere in the state.

Loading and unloading of minerals were affected as truckers suspended their service.

Chidambaram had on Tuesday made a fresh offer to naxals for talks asking them to suspend violence even for just 72 hours.

"Maoists should say 'We will abjure violence. We will suspend violence and actually suspend violence for 72 hours'. We will get the Chief Ministers on board. We will respond. We will fix a date, time and place for talks and let the Maoists come for the talks on anything they wish to talk," Chidambaram had said.

The offer was, however, rejected by Naxal leader Ramanna who said in Bastar district of Chhattisgarh, "we cannot give up our weapons".