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amit wrote:
Carl_T wrote:Proof to whom though? His subordinates or the army as a whole or the civilians of Pak?
Proof to the TFTA "cluture" of Pakistan. Think of it this way: You have an established gang where the leader's fiat is unquestioned due to gang hierarchy discipline. Now there's a change in leadership. The new leader has to "earn" the respect of the gang members in order to keep the hierarchy in order and to do that he has to prove he has the biggest stick of them all and that's why he's the leader. If the hierarchy breaks then the animals would be at each others throats and so the criminal enterprise would fail.

What Shiv was referring to is precisely this ritual of whipping out the stick and showing of its capabilities.
Thanks for the explanation, very interesting point indeed. So if we are ever to thwart a new general's plans against India, it would cause much takleef in their ranks....
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Carl_T wrote:Thanks for the explanation, very interesting point indeed. So if we are ever to thwart a new general's plans against India, it would cause much takleef in their ranks....
The Gurus on this thread are better qualified to comment on this point but I personally think if we can break the danda in the hands of the leader that would break the hierarchy.
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Mearly breaking the Danda will not break the Hirechery. The head will also have to be broken along with the Danda.
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^^^ "hirecherry" - nice word. Recommended for BRF dictionary :mrgreen:
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Aur bhi gham hein zamaney main...Nawaz avoids comment on Kayani’s extension

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=30318
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Ex-ISI officer fears for life, asks govt to accept militants’ demands

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=253138
He appealed to the president, prime minister, ISI director-general, Lt Gen (R) Hameed Gul and Gen (R) Mirza Aslam Beg to accept the demands of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi al-Alami.
How can retired generals accept the demands of this group?
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Pratyush wrote:Mearly breaking the Danda will not break the Hirechery. The head will also have to be broken along with the Danda.
Breaking/killing the head will not work, there will be new head which will come to power. What needs to be done is to "shame" the head by breaking the "danda". That would be a sign of the impotence of the alleged TFTA manhood. That would break the, as you say ( :lol: ) Hirecherry.

BTW great word hirecherry, we should use it, indeed the Pacquis' cherry is always for hire! :rotfl:
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Adding to my previous post on what the White House had to say (Clicky), excerpt from the US State Department press briefing of July 26th dealing with the malign role of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan in fomenting Islamic Terrorism in Afghanistan disclosed by the release of classified US Intelligence documents by WikiLeaks:
Philip J. Crowley
Assistant Secretary
Daily Press Briefing
Washington, DC
July 26, 2010 ………………….

QUESTION: Yeah. You said it undermines national security -- the massive leak of these field reports. Does it undermine also the international alliance, in particular the relationship between Pakistan and Afghanistan? Because the reports did mention ISI involvement in killing of Afghan leaders.

MR. CROWLEY: Oh, I don’t think so. Obviously, during this past week, you saw a historic trade transit agreement with both Afghanistan and Pakistan. I mean, there is a history between these countries. And we’re – but we think both countries have made a fundamental decision to change their relations with the United States and also their relations with each other. But clearly, there is more work to be done as we continue to find ways on both sides of the border to help each country defeat the insurgency that threatens them both.

QUESTION: What kind of diplomatic conversations have gone on since the leaks between, say, the U.S. and Afghanistan and Pakistan and other partners?

MR. CROWLEY: Well, over the weekend as we had been contacted by media representatives and anticipated this story coming out, at high levels we gave an alert to President Karzai, to President Zardari, and to the other ministries on both sides so they would understand that – this and anticipate release of these documents. Obviously, from our standpoint, we continue to investigate the source of this leak and also to assess the impact that it’s had on our security.
QUESTION; You mentioned this sort of old mentality of someone – some people in the Pakistanestablishment particularly – I think you’re referring to ex-members of ISI military who have traditionally had alliances with militant groups for historic reasons.

So are you convinced that for – that the Pakistan Government and the military and the intelligence establishment has taken significant steps to really neutralize these people with this old mindset that you referred to?

MR. CROWLEY: Well, you can see significant steps. Pakistan has taken significant steps. The offensives in Swat and South Waziristan are strong indicators that Pakistan has come to recognize that insurgent groups that are, in fact, within the borders of Pakistan pose a threat not just to Afghanistan, to the United States, but also, fundamentally, to Pakistan itself. So we do believe that Pakistan has undertaken a fundamental strategic shift. That said, this is an area of great concern to us. It is something that we’ve had ongoing, candid, direct conversations, respectful conversations at high levels, going back months and years. So this will continue to take a concerted effort on all sides of the equation by Pakistan, by Afghanistan, supported by the United States and international community to make sure that to the extent that there are elements in Pakistan today or in the tribal areas between Pakistan and Afghanistan, where there are safe havens, it will take a determined effort on both sides of the border to root out those safe havens and, in doing so, reduce the threat that they pose to Pakistan, to Afghanistan, and to others.

QUESTION; And just a follow-up to that. And now in Afghanistan there’s also an effort to reach out to different tribal groups. And presumably in that effort, there are going to have to be intermediaries, and the natural sort of next thought, might be that some of those intermediaries would be people who traditionally had good relations with them. So how do you draw the line between people who, with all those old elements, with the old mentality and people who could be useful in bringing tribes back in to the fold, as it were?

MR. CROWLEY: I mean, that’s – it’s a very good question. We feel that Pakistan at the leadership level is committed to root out these elements, to eliminate these safe havens, and in doing so, eliminate direct or indirect support for those engaged in violent extremism which threatens Pakistan itself. And in doing so, we – we’re encouraged by a shift where Pakistan is building a new relationship with Afghanistan, and in doing so we’ll revise and reform and establish different kinds of links, different kinds of relationships. That’s why the transit trade agreement was more important. You’ve seen, say over the past 25 or 30 years, much of the interaction between Afghanistan and Pakistan was through this security lens, working – going back a couple of decades, to root out the influence of the Soviet Union in the region. Now we see the ability to change fundamentally the nature of the relationship.

The transit trade agreement is good for Afghanistan. It’s good for Pakistan. It’s good for other countries in the region. It allows commerce to flourish, and in doing so that will help to establish new kinds of relationships and new kinds of links that are going to be far more productive over the long term.

QUESTION; I’m still a little unclear. So you said that Pakistan has taken significant steps, and that’s a proof of how the relationship between the U.S. and Pakistan is solid. But the steps that they’re taking in Swat and in South Waziristan are all U.S.-funded operations. So to argue that that’s a sign that there is some sort of a ideological shift or that the ISI no longer has ties to Haqqani or to Taliban and al-Qaida militants in that area, it doesn’t – it just doesn’t really jive. I mean, what’s the practical – the reality of how these documents, the release of these documents, with what allegedly have very clear ties between ISI and the Taliban and al-Qaida – what’s the practical reality of how this is (inaudible) now going forward affect Pakistan’s relationship with the United States? Is this –

MR. CROWLEY: Courtney, I would say, whether we are funding a lot of the Pakistani military activity, the reality is that Pakistan is investing its own treasure and spilling its own blood in defense of its own country. The impact on the Pakistani people is profound. They are the ones that, as these insurgents have turned their attention inside Pakistan, blowing up mosques, blowing up government buildings, blowing up marketplaces, it is the Pakistani people who are feeling the brunt of this challenge. And the Pakistani military and the Pakistani Government is responding to that. So I think that’s the proof of how Pakistan has fundamentally changed in the past year to two years its approach to these insurgencies.

Are we still concerned about this? Absolutely, we are. The Secretary in her discussions last week was very direct and very candid not only with the Pakistani Government but also, as those of you who traveled with her, direct in terms of a dialogue with the Pakistani people. Again, very respectful but very direct. This is, in our view, how friends and partners need to confront issues that threaten us both, resolve areas of tension. We are doing that and we will continue to do that.

Go ahead.

QUESTION; So, essentially, P.J., you’re saying this – all these leaks refer to Bush’s war and it’s got nothing to do with Obama? I mean, this is – you’re saying it’s all old, everybody’s changed their ways, we don’t have to worry about –

MR. CROWLEY: Well, I’m simply going by what WikiLeaks itself has indicated, that the window for these documents, if I recall, is 2005 to 2009. You’ll recall that we fundamentally changed our strategy with the President’s decISIon in December of last year and we are putting in place a different strategy, more resources, a more concertive effort on the civilian side to go with the military side.

This is not to say that there weren’t adjustments being made beforehand. To the extent that some of these document obviously highlight concerns that we have had for some time about the impact of civilian casualties on the Afghan population, that is something that the military and General McChrystal had recognized going back months and had made a fundamental change in the instructions that the military gave to its troops.

So – but we believe that notwithstanding documents that point to understandings or facts or field reports from 2006-2007, we think that based on the Kabul Conference and London Conference and other interactions that we’ve had over the past months with the Afghan Government, the new Strategic Dialogue that we have with Pakistan, they both understand and see the value in their relationship with the United States, the importance of the international support that they are receiving on both sides of the border, and there is just a new dynamic.

Now, this isn’t to say that every issue that we’ve seen, every problem that we’ve seen, every challenge that we’ve seen are solved. Not at all. There is a lot of work that we have to do. But we think that the situation today is dramatically different than the – that portrayed in a variety of these documents that have been released so far.
Read it all:

US State Department Press Briefing
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"Oh what a tangled web we weave,when first we practice to deceive".

The US has just been caught with its pants down,while the Pakis pants have been down for quite a long time in full view of the globe.The favourite rent-boy of Uncle sam,has now been found to have been promiscuos to the "hilt",cohabiting with the likes of the ungodly of Al Q and other elements of the anti-US/AFghan Taliban.Is this news new to us?No.But what is new is the overwheleming evidence of the same,tens of thousands of documents,a veritable tsunami of evidence that clearly shows that all along the US establishment comprising the defence,intelligence,State Dept. and White House,have proved themselves to be sleazeballs,scumbags and sh*tworms for lying to their own people about who is actually and actively planning and assisting in the killing of US and NATO troops,none other than rent-boy Pak,the recipient of billions upon billions of US aid and arms.

This is treason in any language and one hopes that there is a veritable storm in the US to call those in the establishment and in Pak to account.But duplivity and deceit have been the hallmark of the US.CIA and Pak for many decades now and if anyone is being made a real fool of it is India and her great peacemaker MMS.He has taken India and its people down the garden path with Pak and the US as the guarantor of this insidious "peace in our time".May he,his cronies and his disgraced foreign policy now RIP.
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http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... om-diedlog

A woman from Jammu wrote this letter? *****
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Now Col.Imam threatens ISI!
According to the AP report published in Dawn quoted below, Col. Imam has threatened in a video to expose the government's weaknesses unless it meets his captors' demands.
A former Pakistani spy who was kidnapped by militants in northwestern Pakistan has threatened in a video to expose the government's weaknesses unless it meets his captors' demands.
Sultan Amir Tarar, also known as Col. Imam, did not provide further details in the video obtained by The Associated Press on Tuesday. But he likely possesses significant knowledge about his former employer, the country's most powerful spy agency, and its overseer, the military.
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anupmisra wrote:Now that he’s got it....
by Kamran Shafi. He started talking about Kiya nahi's three year extension, then rambled on to the Wagah ceremony, but here's the part that I liked the best:
For many years have I, as a citizen of Pakistan and the subcontinent... :shock:
You know..just in case if purest of the pure take over Pakistan, having a backdoor will be helpful. I expect more and more "citizens of subcontinent" from Pakistan in coming days, months & years :)
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S M Qureshi, then and now
We have to realise that S M Qureshi as Pakistan's foreign minister is under tremendous pressure when he goes to dialogue with India , notes Magsaysay Award winner Sandeep Pandey, who champions the India-Pakistan peace caravan, which will be launched from Mumbai on July 28.
After a breif lull since Qureshi-Krishana talks WKK's are popping up again. :rotfl:
I find it hard why WKK's dont understand that mango-aadmi dont take them seriously anymore. Read the comments on the article.
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amit wrote:
Pratyush wrote:Mearly breaking the Danda will not break the Hirechery. The head will also have to be broken along with the Danda.
Breaking/killing the head will not work, there will be new head which will come to power. What needs to be done is to "shame" the head by breaking the "danda". That would be a sign of the impotence of the alleged TFTA manhood. That would break the, as you say ( :lol: ) Hirecherry.

BTW great word hirecherry, we should use it, indeed the Pacquis' cherry is always for hire! :rotfl:
Well around a moon ago, I did try to make an argument that there is H&D of the Gang Leader involved, so what India should do is to attack him there where it hurts most.
RajeshA wrote:I am of the opinion that, in order to stop terrorism in India, India should 'confiscate' a commensurate amount of Land from Pakistan, regardless of price.
If the Gang Leader wants to show off to his gang by robbing me of my goat, then India should respond to his robbery by seizing his horse for good. Now he may protest, but that would be a further sign that he is a cry-cry baby. In the future the Gang Leader or his successors would consider it a risky business to show off their mardaangi by robbing me of my goats.
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Brits fail to keep the pakis out...of the UK
A Beeb article.

'Serious failings' in UK visa controls for Pakistanis
Immigration controls for people from Pakistan who wish to settle in the UK have failed to protect British borders, an independent report has said. The UK Border Agency's independent chief inspector said a "significant number" of visa applications were not being "decided correctly". John Vine said in the "worst cases", visas that should have been refused were granted, and vice versa.
In one example, it said the accompanying employment reference letter included spelling errors, while bank statements showed large, unexplained cash deposits.
People from Pakistan represent the third largest source of applications to enter the UK.
Hey! Isnt the reverse true too? Dont Brit-paki tourists form the largest visa applicants for "educational tourism and summer camps" in the paki hinterlands?
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one place to start is the overseas assets of the rape class, particularly the jarnails... devaluation of these by one means or another (e.g. confiscation, suspension, etc.,) would start to hurt
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Lalmohan wrote:one place to start is the overseas assets of the rape class, particularly the jarnails... devaluation of these by one means or another (e.g. confiscation, suspension, etc.,) would start to hurt
Can 11/26 victims file cases in NY, Mumai and attach the assets of Pukestan as damages?
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... id=topnews
A further distinction: No single message has emerged from the Afghan documents the way it did from the Pentagon Papers.

On Monday, the New York Times emphasized the duplicity of the Pakistan military and secret service and its involvement with the Taliban; the Guardian focused on reports of civilian atrocities; and Der Spiegel underscored how the German government has mischaracterized the military situation in northern Afghanistan that involves German troops. The headlines from the publication of the Pentagon Papers were more consistent: The administration had deceived the public about the war.
NYT is blowing hot. Guardian/Pentagon is blowing cold. The game continues.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washi ... cs/?page=1
Kerry under pressure as leak energizes war critics
The leak of classified documents that suggest the American-backed Pakistani government has been secretly helping the Taliban has intensified scrutiny of the policy of Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman John Kerry, who has pushed for billions of dollars in aid to Pakistan as part of the Afghanistan war strategy.
The Massachusetts Democrat was instrumental in developing the Afghan war policy and in securing a $7.5 billion, five-year developmental aid package to Pakistan. The civilian aid was for such things as roads, hospitals, and electric plants.
Yesterday, however, as the Obama administration defended its policy and insisted that there was little new in the documents, Kerry sounded a more cautious note, saying the material doesn’t include “some kind of smoking-gun revelation.’’ He strongly defended his own role in helping to shape the Obama administration’s Afghan war policy and rejected suggestions that a pullout should be considered in light of the documents.
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[quote="vijayk]

Can 11/26 victims file cases in NY, Mumai and attach the assets of Pukestan as damages?

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Poor idea IMO, as the US justice system does not have any jurisdiction on TSP. Moreover, doing so will show that we are ready to accept the US jurisprudence. Which politically would mean that we have given up our sovereignty to the US.

However, getting the same through the UN system will be priceless.
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Prem wrote:Video op://www.flashpoint-intel.com/images/documen ... elimam.pdf
( Paki Colonel Haram has still not kicked the bucket yet Daddo bole ghrain ghrain, Bakra bole Maain Maain)

Complete English transcript as follows:
Today is July 24, and tomorrow, it will be July 25. I am Sultan Amir, son of Ghulaam Amir, and
people know me as Colonel Imam. I am in the custody of Lashkar Jhangvi Al Alami, Abdullah
Mansoor. I sent my statements and CD messages to the government several times, but no
attention has been given until now.”
“You know what mentality these people have and what are they up to. Khalid Khwaja has
already been killed and we might receive an even harsher treatment, which will be damaging for
Pakistan.”
“They cannot be pressured by anyone. They are well organized. According to them, my previous
statements have not been released to the media either. I appeal, Mr. President, Mr. Prime
Minister, DG ISI Jahangir Gul and Jasim Baig, to accept the demands of Lashkar Jhangvi Al Alami
as soon as possible.”
“You people know about the services I rendered for my country. If the Pakistan government does
not care about me, then I don’t have any reason to care about the nation either, and will
reveal all the weaknesses of our nation.”
Whatever game is being played with Afghanistan, India, Russia, and America, I know about all
of it. It is now for the Pakistani government to decide
. Four months have now passed but you
don't care about me. I am fed up of spending my whole life all the time in a basement.
“It should be conveyed to my family to pray for me and to take care of the children. I also want it
to make it clear to my son Nauman Umar to resign from his government post. At the moment,
they don't seem to care about me, so why would they make a fuss over him in the future either.”
“Wasalam, your well wisher, Sultan Amir.”



I am dying to hear what Imam has to say about India and unkil land. Can he add any thing more to the wiki leaks?
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Pratyush wrote:
vijayk wrote:
Can 11/26 victims file cases in NY, Mumai and attach the assets of Pukestan as damages?
Poor idea IMO, as the US justice system does not have any jurisdiction on TSP. Moreover, doing so will show that we are ready to accept the US jurisprudence. Which politically would mean that we have given up our sovereignty to the US.

However, getting the same through the UN system will be priceless.
I did not mean Indians should do in the US. There were 11/26 American victims. They should do it in the US. The Indian victims should do in Mumbai. If somehow, they can attach $100 M+ of RAPE assets, the scums will start paying the price and terrorism will have some price. The nikkammas in PMO will scoff at any thing like that. I think based on this new evidence and Headley's interrogation, some one sue the Pakistani Govt. directly.

The same goes for victims of Indian embassy attack in Afghanistan. I know ruling party will be bewildered that Pukestan has to pay for terrorism for some poor/middle class Indians. But I think the public will support and the courts will not back off.
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Gerard wrote:Pakistan reaches out to Buddhists
A key objective is to narrow the huge imbalance in visitor arrivals; in 2008, a total of 63,258 Pakistanis visited Thailand but only 2,618 Thais returned the favour.

Of the 63K pakis who visited the dar ul harb of thailand 50k went there for a halal thai massage other 5k were tableegi another 5k were drug runners selling high quality stuff and rest were jihadis exporting IED mubarak. Now I wonder what was the composition of 2.5K thai who visited land of pure and how many of those were ROPERS.
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Prem wrote:Video op://www.flashpoint-intel.com/images/documen ... elimam.pdf
“Today is July 24, and tomorrow, it will be July 25. I am Sultan Amir, son of Ghulaam Amir, and people know me as Colonel Imam. You people know about the services I rendered for my country. If the Pakistan government does not care about me, then I don’t have any reason to care about the nation either, and will reveal all the weaknesses of our nation.”
Whatever game is being played with Afghanistan, India, Russia, and America, I know about all
of it.”


I hope & pray that the Pakistani Government does not 'care for him' so that he 'reveals' everything. Among all the other things that must be employed to squeeze TSP, 'shaming' is one important tool.
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I dont know but if somehow Raa can squeeze this asset from Lashkar and make him talk. Perhaps ruskis and khad can pitch in since he has some of their secrets as well. Else can Polish help us please.
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@ vijayk ^^^

Can Americans sue the Pakistani Government in NY just as the Libyans were for Lockerbie...

The answer is no unless the SD declares Pakistan a 'Terrorist State'. Until then, Pakistan has sovereign immunity.

I checked this with the lawyer who filed the Lockerbie suit immediately after 26/11.
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Commend the Afghans for questioning US silence on ISI and continued pampering of TSP. It would help if India adds to this chorus, but no, head constable MMS will come down with a hammer on anyone in his cabinet who dare speak ill of TSP.
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Reason: I think we've made it plenty clear what is allowed and what is not - when criticizing Indian PM and Govt. Warning issued.
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^^^^
Good cop, bad cop routine?
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Century for droneacarya in pukelands

Drone strikes on Pakistan hit 100
A deadly wave of American drone strikes in Pakistan's border region has taken the total number launched during Barack Obama's presidency to more than 100, representing a significant surge in attacks.
Four drone attacks at the weekend take the total to 101 since Obama took office 18 months ago – compared with 45 in the preceding five years, according to statistics compiled by the New America Foundation.

Up to 1,100 people have been killed in that period
despite the national bird consuming 1100 terrorists we see no real difference on ground except the humming of the bird in air makes all jehaaadis brown their pants.
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Cosmo_R wrote:@ vijayk ^^^

Can Americans sue the Pakistani Government in NY just as the Libyans were for Lockerbie...

The answer is no unless the SD declares Pakistan a 'Terrorist State'. Until then, Pakistan has sovereign immunity.

I checked this with the lawyer who filed the Lockerbie suit immediately after 26/11.
Thank you for the response.
I am glad that someone took initiative to find about it and thought about the victims even if the crooks who run the country give a damn about it.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

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I just watched this, this morning. He is truly a master spinning diplomat. He paints a complicated picture as if only he knows the complexity, the idiots including his daughter are clue-less dimwits, and he bombards them with nitty gritty details which they just listen and follow like sheep. Uncle Zibg and Uncle Kissinger said so. As I mentioned in an earlier post, even Fareed Bhai trembles before this hincho: "elder statesman" as he refers to him. He clearly says TSPA is USA's best friend, and in the same breath, he demonizes India's role. Does anybody have an iota of a doubt that this cold war monkey still believes in using TSPA to contain India? Maybe this is in US interests, and if so, his belief that turning against TSPA means shooting ourselves (USA) in the head reveals the paranoia he has against SDREs rising and having to deal with them.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

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CRamS wrote:Commend the Afghans for questioning US silence on ISI and continued pampering of TSP. It would help if India adds to this chorus, but no, head constable MMS will come down with a hammer on anyone in his cabinet who dare speak ill of TSP.

A failed A'stan shows more backbone than the so-called would-be superpower India. A'stan's tatters of a government has shown more nerve in calling spade a spade w.r.t. TSP than a democratically elected India.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

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just see france's announcement today on a new war against alqeeda following the french hostage episode
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

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Z.B. is poisonous. Unfortunately he has a platform. Just be thankful he's on a smaller cable channel - MSNBC - rather than Fox.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

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French would probably 'break a few legs'..

On the wikileaks thing,

What earth shattering new thing has come out of it? The American media is not going to pick it up and run with it. They are going to defer to the same ol same ol opinions of people like zbig...no matter how much we hate it and wish for it to be otherwise.

There is another forum I used to frequent. Its full of WASPish Americans and Western Europeans. It had 8 pages of discussion on the wikileak and NOT A SINGE POST on Pakistan's perfidy. That is what we are up against. Absolutely no consciousness on these things.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

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Sloppy definitions of "Taliban" permit Brian Cloughley to gas away:
http://www.juancole.com/2010/07/cloughl ... liban.html
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

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Hey any news on TSP's missile test ?
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

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perfidy is a given, there is no western interest in this war... except they dont realise that if the US withdraws the khilafat will be in full swing
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

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How far would I be away from the truth if I were to state the following: "The onlee reason BRFites want Unkil to be buried in the Af-Pak chaos is because Unkil was helping TSP for decades."

It is like saying, you started the fire so please put it out.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

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The leaks gave no clue whether India was tipped off about the impending attack.

A suicide bomber rammed a car packed with explosives into the heavily fortified Indian embassy gates on July 7, 2008, killing 58 people and wounding more than 140.

Defence attache Brigadier R.D. Mehta and counsellor Venkateswara Rao were among those killed in the morning attack.

“Taliban are planning to carry out an attack on the Indian embassy in Kabul. TB (Taliban) designated an engineer to take this action,” WikiLeaks said, quoting the Polish intelligence warning on June 30, 2008.

“INS (Insurgents) are planning to divide into two groups: first will attack Indian embassy building, whilst the second group will engage security posts in front of MOI (ministry of interior), IOT (in order to) give possibility to escape attackers from the first group,” said the warning, part of the massive leak of 92,000 documents, posted by WikiLeaks on Sunday.

Budget for this action is about USD 1,20,000. The main goal of this operation is to show TB’s (Taliban) abilities to carry out attack on every object in Kabul.”

The leaks said Pakistan’s ISI was allowing its representatives to meet directly with the Taliban and fuelling insurgency against the US-led forces.

The document dealing with the Indian embassy is titled Threat Report... Threat to Indian Embassy.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

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A_Gupta wrote:Z.B. is poisonous. Unfortunately he has a platform. Just be thankful he's on a smaller cable channel - MSNBC - rather than Fox.
Not much difference between MSNBC and FOX when it comes to towing govt line on foreign policy. If MSNBC has Zbig, FOX has maacho man Jon Bolton as the foreign policy "expert".
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