Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 2010

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Sep 2010 11:03

Anujan wrote:Mushy probably also senses the chance. He has launched APML and wants to come back and "Save Pakistan"

Mushy may fancy anything, but, IMHO, he is not in the reckoning at all. If he goes back to the Land of the Pure, he has every chance of being assassinated by the Taliban (of all shades and colours). He will certainly be arrested. Neither the judiciary and the lawyers nor the general public (largely) are particularly enamoured of Musharraf. The PA is unlikely to push for his case. Both PML (N & Q) & PPP will oppose him totally.

Vril · Post by **Vril** » 27 Sep 2010 13:09

ISI involved in 26/11, chief Pasha told CIA shortly after attacks

However, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) later received reliable intelligence that the ISI was directly involved in the training for Mumbai, says the book entitled 'Obama's War' written by investigative American journalist Bob Woodward.

You guys get planning and do what you have to do to prevent a war between Pakistan and India, Bush told his aides. The last thing we need right now is a war between two nuclear-power states,"

Under this plan, the US would bomb or attack every known al-Qaeda compound or training camp in the US intelligence database. "Some locations might be outdated, but there would be no concern, under the plan, for who might be living there now. The attribution plan called for a brutal punishing attack on at least 150 or more associated camps

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 635441.cms

vic · Post by **vic** » 27 Sep 2010 13:14

NATO helicopters strike inside Pakistan

KARACHI: Two Apache helicopters crossed into Pakistan on Friday in pursuit of insurgents who had attacked a remote Afghan security outpost, the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) said on Sunday.

More than 30 insurgents were killed, the coalition said in a statement. The aircraft followed ISAF rules of engagement when they crossed the border, it said. Two helicopters also went to the border area on Saturday and were engaged by small arms fire. They returned fire, killing between four and six insurgents, ISAF said. –DawnNews

The US post was around 8 miles inside Afghanistan while Pak post was around 6miles inside Pak from border. It means that the attaching Taliban withdrew around 25km+ (as the eagle flies). Which means that they walked around 50km+ on rough terrain and this withdrawl should take around 1-2 days. Therefore the likely scenario is that US attacked the base from which the taliban was lauched and co-ordindated. It is possible that US let the attacking Taliban withdraw to this base, then bombed it. Or it is a mixture of all of these. What is not likely that this Pak post was firing upon the Afghan post which was 25-50km away. This attack was retaliation against a Pak base.

r_subramanian · Post by **r_subramanian** » 27 Sep 2010 14:28

Is it the beginning of the end of Zardari regime?

Rehman Malik resigns: media reports
Federal Interior Minister Rehman A Malik tendered his resignation from his office, media reported Monday.
However, the federal minister was quoted as denying these reports{!}
...

link

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 27 Sep 2010 15:19

Paki navy chief lining his pockets?

http://www.grandestrategy.com/2010/09/p ... e]Pakistan Navy Chief Corruption Puts Navy at Risk

by Meinhaj Hussain, [email protected]

The Pakistan Navy is in disrepair. It is facing acute shortage of helicopters, SAR aircraft and modern frigates. Seen in the backdrop of the massive Indian naval buildup which is sporting a numerical and qualitatively superior fleet many times the size and capability of the Pakistan Navy, composed of nuclear submarines, aircraft carriers, modern frigates and destroyers, the Pakistan Navy fleet appears in poor light.

In the increasingly unstable world and open Indian ambitions of the Indian Ocean, the demand for naval competence and capability for the Pakistan Navy becomes a vital bottleneck for Pakistan's national security and foreign policy. The Chief of Naval Staff (CNS) Admiral Noman Basheer however, is busy filling his private coffers. With close ties and in partnership with Pakistani President Asif Zardari, a billionaire known infamously in Pakistan as Mr. 10%, CNS Noman Basheer is filling his pockets with the nation's meager treasures.

His recent purchase of four Hawker 850 XP aircraft is a case in point. With a large and extremely diverse fleet of VIP aircraft, did Pakistan really need another VIP aircraft purchase? The country’s VIP fleet includes G-IV, Cessna Citation V, Cessna Citation Excel, Learjet 35, Learjet 45 XR, Raytheon Hawker 400, Falcon 20, Cessna Conquest II, Bell 412 helicopters (3) MI-17 helicopter Airbus A310-300 and LearJet.
Insiders know that, for this deal for the Hawker 850, envelopes exchanging hands.

Nearing retirement, CNS Basheer has accelerated his efforts and this deal was apparently not enough reward for missing the boat on the French Marlin submarine deal. Noman Basheer now wants to upgrade 35 year old Agosta 70 submarines. Whether it is ethical to send seamen out to sea in such ancient boats is questionable. Submarines are not trucks. If a truck breaks down, the occupants can simply dismount and walk away. A submarine on the other hand, is a death trap. Mechanical failure can more likely than not, lead to death in the ugliest way possible - slow and steady suffocation. This deal is in the background of supposedly not having enough money to buy German or Chinese submarines. Even the lowliest modern Chinese submarine would have been many times superior to sending seamen out in the Agosta 70s. Yet, CNS - Admiral - Noman Basheer has no problems as long as his Swiss bank accounts register an upswing. Somewhat disingenuously, this deal was concluded with the same French naval company - DCNS that was contracted for the Agosta-90B retirement fund project.

You can be sure that a long line of poor flood affected Pakistanis living below the poverty line will benefit from this deal - including President Zardari and his PPP nymphs.

Much to the chagrin of the Pakistani people, the amusement does not end here - the CNS is now calling to cancel the Gwader Port contract and "hand it over to the Chinese", whatever that vague phrase means. For those who know, it means strangulating yet another strategic project for Pakistan, as if the Iran-Pakistan-India gas pipeline deal's indefinite postponement was not treason enough.

Rumors suggest that this corrupt PN officer is slated to become chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee. This will not be the first PN officer to disgrace the Pakistani nation - he is following the illustrious career of CNS Mansoor who made his fortune in the infamous Agosta 90B deal with France.

CNS Admiral Noman Basheer would do well to remember the Iranian revolution and what happened to the Shah's men. In the event that insh'Allah Pakistan becomes an Islamic State, those who have looted the nation are insh'Allah going to receive compensation for their services, as long as there is enough rope to hang them with, and enough trees to hang them from.[/quote]

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 27 Sep 2010 16:35

Uh-oh.

Accusing General Musharraf of murdering his father, Talal Akbar Bugti, the chief of Jamhoori Watan Party, has announced a reward of 1000 acres of irrigated land on his head.

link

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 27 Sep 2010 17:03

Hari Seldon wrote:Uh-oh.
Accusing General Musharraf of murdering his father, Talal Akbar Bugti, the chief of Jamhoori Watan Party, has announced a reward of 1000 acres of irrigated land on his head.
link

I'm glad to see that the rules of Karma still hold their validity all over in the lands of the Indian Civilization!

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 27 Sep 2010 17:09

all we need now is the Gilgiti families who he massacred to file petitions too...

Nihat · Post by **Nihat** » 27 Sep 2010 17:40

anupmisra wrote:
Brad Goodman wrote:Take a lesson from Pakistan: Taxes are for suckers
From the article:

The best thing that ever happened to Pakistan's elite was 9/11.
Amen to that! In fact, I would change this statement to The best thing that ever happened to Pakistan was Islam.

and the worst thing to happen to Islam was Pakistan

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 27 Sep 2010 17:42

US doesn't want to arm Pak against India: Obama to Zardari

"... we do not want to be part of arming you (Pakistan) against India, so let me be very clear about that," Obama, who
assumed office in January 2009, had said.

To his remarks, Zardari responded saying: "We are trying to change our world view but it's not going to happen
overnight."
One of the main reasons, several top US officials say, is Pakistan's apprehension and hatred against India, according to
the book.

"What Pakistan does not want, as a matter of faith, is a unified Afghan government that is led by a Pashtun sympathetic
to India" like President Hamid Karzai, he said.

Status of US ties with Pak was like a 'cold shower' for Obama: Woodward

Well-known author-cum-journalist Bob Woodward has revealed in his latest book "Obama's Wars that President Barack Obama's focus is turning increasingly to Pakistan, even as his administration's military efforts continue to be directed at Afghanistan.

Woodward told ABC News that Obama was told of deep problems in the US relationship with Pakistan in his very first intelligence briefing, and it seemed like"a cold shower" coming days after his triumphant 2008 presidential victory.

"Imagine the high of being elected on that Tuesday and they come in two days later and say, by the way, here's-here are the secrets, and one of the secrets is Pakistan," Woodward said.

"We're attacking with a top-secret, covert operation, the safe havens in Pakistan, but Pakistan is living a lie. And this is a theme throughout the whole Obama presidency: 'How do you get control of Pakistan?' "

In Pakistan, President Asif Ali Zardari is depicted as quietly providing help to U.S. enemies, with the CIA suspecting that his government compromised its intelligence.

"You can't keep playing one side against the other," Biden warns Zardari, according to Woodward's book.

For his part, Zardari expresses frustration that Americans are too concerned about civilian casualties. Woodward reports that Zardari told then-CIA Director Michael Hayden that his poll numbers were high enough to weather blowback from casualties.

"Collateral damage worries you Americans. It does not worry me," Zardari told Hayden, Woodward writes.
wah wah!! Pigs deserve such leaders who gives two hoots about his own country men!

US has a "retribution" plan in event of 9/11-like attack

"Some locations might be outdated, but there would be no concern, under the plan, for who might be living there now. The attribution plan called for a brutal punishing attack on at least 150 or more associated camps," Woodward says

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 27 Sep 2010 17:49

^^
The timing is curious. This Anti Pakistan rhetoric building in US ahead of Obama visit to India. Is it just buttering or is there something big coming our way?
Scenario 1: Pakistan planning a mega attack during CWG and US knows about it. So, all the negative coverage about Pakistan to discourage'em in carrying out a strike and praising India and positive coverage as 3rd power blah..to encourage India NOT to retaliate ..again..??

Scenario 2:Encourage India to give up Kashmir to cool off Pakistan so they can make a respectable exit out of Afghanistan asap.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 27 Sep 2010 18:38

If Obama is really true about not wanting to arm pak against India,then why the hell is he giving Pak ,sorry,"gifting" 8 OH Perry missile frigates? These frigates,which OZ also use when modernised are almost the equal of our new Talwar class FFGs being built in Russia.Are these frigates of any use to fight the Taliban in landocked Af-Pak?!

I've posted in the Indo-US thrad and Indian interest thread,details of US chicanery which "special relationship" poodle Britain has experienced,a devastating indictment of the US's single-mindedness even with its closest ally.This is a fraud as someone mentioned earlier, a "softening up" of India in advance of Obama's visit,so that we are caught off our guard.The US wanyts India as a second rent-boy in the region,one who will compete with Pak in a race to be first to bend down and get b*ggered in doing Uncle Sam's bidding.

PS:Gen.Bandicoot's hallucinatory dream that he is going to be Pak's "saviour" as he has stated in the media,is the joke of the season.This braggadacio,verminous rodent,is responsible for a "mountain" of mayhem,Kargil, that has afflicted Indo-Pak relations for a decade+,for which we are still paying the price.Succeeded by his chosen henchman,the "vulture",Gen.Kill-any,the Paki army still rules the roost in Pak and the ISI,the assassins of the Paki army,keep continuing to wage war against india covertly.The architect of Kargil who has been cooling his heels in Pak now wants to return as the "Messiah" of Pak,sensing that an opportunity has arisen after Pak's multitude of woes have virtually paralysed the state.With the cheating by paki match-fixing cricketers,being a disgraced dictatorial Paki general in London has become an embarrassment to his hosts.A "matchfixer" like Mushar-rat needs his daily dose of chicanery to make life wirth iving.Methinks that there is a conspiracy afoot here,as with the return of the Bandicoot and his new "party",a new avenue for the (retd.) Paki uniformed species is being quietly set up,from where they can have it both ways,eventually controlling both parliament and the military.Once that happens,the remaining crumbs of democracy that survive in Pak will be truly dead.In this vile conspiracy being played out,the role of the US is deeply questionable,as the US seeks to go a step further and control the Paki military by default once the "military " party of Mush-a-rat enters the political scene.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 27 Sep 2010 18:57

Sorry, couldnt resist. Overheard on teetar

The 103rd anniversary of the great South Asian and Pakistani hero, Shaheed Bhagat Singh

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 27 Sep 2010 20:30

Nuclear-armed Pakistan to chair IAEA board (AFP)

Pakistan, which refuses to sign the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and was home to a notorious nuclear smuggling ring, was named head of the UN nuclear watchdog's governing board here Monday.

At a special one-day meeting, the International Atomic Energy Agency's 35-member board of governors appointed "by acclamation" the head of Pakistan's Atomic Energy Commission, Ansar Parvez, as its chairman for the next 12 months, taking over from Malaysia.

The board of governors is the IAEA's most important policy-making body after the 151-nation general conference and meets five times a year. Its rotating chair is appointed for a period of one year with the main task of presiding over debates and helping the board of governors reach consensus decisions.

Pakistan has held the chair before and India has done so twice.

Parvez insisted that Pakistan was a "very law-abiding member" of the IAEA. "We have been a member of the IAEA ever since it was created. All our civil installations are under IAEA" safeguards, he said.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 27 Sep 2010 20:48

So TSP does not want a unified, peaceful Afghan govt that might be neutral or even friendly to India; and USA spending all these respurces and lives goes along with that demand? Its like a guy telling the local cop that he terroizes his neighbor because he has a beautiful wife, and the cop actually considers this a legitimate reason?

. Wallah, and this is suppoed to be the so called "war on terror".

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 27 Sep 2010 21:14

Pakistan court orders government to probe graft (AP)

ISLAMABAD — Pakistan's Supreme Court on Monday again ordered the government to ask Swiss authorities to reopen a money-laundering case against the president, raising the stakes in a case that has triggered speculation over the future of the Western-backed administration.

Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry told government lawyers they must fully implement a December court order striking down an amnesty protecting President Asif Ali Zardari and hundreds of other officials from prosecution on long-shelved graft cases. "There should not be any argument," he told a hearing at the Supreme Court. "We are insisting that this judgment be implemented in letter and sprit."

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 27 Sep 2010 21:18

CRamS wrote:So TSP does not want a unified, peaceful Afghan govt that might be neutral or even friendly to India; and USA spending all these respurces and lives goes along with that demand? Its like a guy telling the local cop that he terroizes his neighbor because he has a beautiful wife, and the cop actually considers this a legitimate reason? . Wallah, and this is suppoed to be the so called "war on terror".

The irony of this argument is guy picking the cops pocket and cop knowingly ignores it!!

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 27 Sep 2010 21:19

Musharraf says to Aafia family: ‘I am innocent’ (Pak Tribune)

ISLAMABAD: Former president General (retd) Pervez Musharraf called the mother of Dr Aafia Siddiqui three times recently to clarify his position but she never spoke to him and finally Musharraf sent his old comrade Rashid Qureshi to meet her in Karachi.

There is a general impression in Pakistan that Pervez Musharraf actually handed over Dr Aafia to US authorities but many people in the powerful Pakistani establishment claim that the ISI never arrested her in 2003 from Karachi and probably it was done through an independent and secret FBI operation with the help of some local police officials.

There are still many unanswered questions relating to Dr Aafia’s case. Who arrested Dr Aafia Siddiqui in 2003 from Karachi? Where was she from March 30, 2003 to July 17, 2008 until the Americans claimed her arrest in Afghanistan? If she was in the custody of some intelligence agency, how she reached the home of her uncle in Islamabad during this time and spent two days with him? Who released Dr Aafia Siddiqui in January 2008 and who forced her to infiltrate into al-Qaeda network of Pakistan? Where is her third child Suleman? What was her relationship with Elvis Presley?

All these questions were not answered in the verdict of a US federal court, which sentenced her to 86 years in prison.

sum · Post by **sum** » 27 Sep 2010 21:29

If she was in the custody of some intelligence agency, how she reached the home of her uncle in Islamabad during this time and spent two days with him? Who released Dr Aafia Siddiqui in January 2008 and who forced her to infiltrate into al-Qaeda network of Pakistan? Where is her third child Suleman? What was her relationship with Elvis Presley?

Loved the blue worded sentence....so apt in all the tons of questions Aafia is generating!!

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 27 Sep 2010 21:31

Butt forced me into fixing:Amir

The saga continues.

Meanwhile, worryingly, the pakroaches have sneakily switched strategy to malign Yindia using guilt by association only...
Pak backs India on CWG preparations

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 27 Sep 2010 21:44

No one from Paki army or air force to shoot down these infidel choppers ? 6 miles (almost 10km) is a lot of distance, even at Afghan border. Interesting to see that drones were not used. Any particular reason ?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Sep 2010 21:53

^^^ Her profile fits that of DCH. Interesting turn of events.

Fidel Guevara · Post by **Fidel Guevara** » 27 Sep 2010 22:16

RoyG wrote:[youtube]hfln0_Wazvc&has_verified=1[/youtube]

This is one of the most disturbing scenes of brutality, even more so than the Swat execution video (even though nobody actually dies in this one). Thank Allah that this is just Pakis beating up other Pakis.

Surprised to see how quickly the victims get up on their feet after each round of kicks and lashes. The older guy went down at least 3-4 times and jumped back up each time...tough buggers, these Talibunnies! Or maybe the Pak army wasn't putting in 100% effort!

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 27 Sep 2010 22:17

ramana wrote:^^^ Her profile fits that of DCH. Interesting turn of events.

She could also compromise some big names in ISI/PA or some "Westerner" who might have been involved in Liberian diamond deal.

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 27 Sep 2010 22:52

Skipper Butt dragged me into spot-fixing, Amir tells PCB http://www.indianexpress.com/news/skipp ... b/689013/0

Pakistan ministers not paying income tax http://sify.com/news/pakistan-ministers ... adhig.html

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 27 Sep 2010 23:41

Hari Seldon wrote:
Meanwhile, worryingly, the pakroaches have sneakily switched strategy to malign Yindia using guilt by association only...
Pak backs India on CWG preparations

Meh? You wish!

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan is the latest team to complain about the filthy state of the accommodation at the Commonwealth Games village and has given organizers a 24-hour deadline to improve conditions or its athletes will instead stay at a hotel.

The rooms at the village were shown to Pakistan's three-member delegation on Monday, and Pakistan Olympic Association chief Arif Hasan says they're ''not fit enough to live in.''

Hasan told The Associated Press that the delegation refused to accept keys to the rooms, adding that organizers have been asked to arrange a hotel for Pakistan as a contingency plan if improvements aren't made.

Australia, New Zealand, England and Scotland among others have also complained. The games run from Sunday to Oct. 14.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Sep 2010 00:22

They really think they are TFTA! the flood pix showed what accomodations they are used to!

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 28 Sep 2010 00:53

The loot under Musharraf
http://tribune.com.pk/story/54505/for-musharraf

Perhaps it will make sense for Musharraf’s Facebook fans to look at this data and ask the dictator about what compelled him to allow members elected under his patronage to pile up assets so rapidly. 87.1 per cent increase in one year raises eyebrows. The massive increase in assets coincides with Musharraf’s confrontation with the judiciary and the lawyer’s movement. Assuming that the value of assets was stated around July-August or August-September of 2007 (the time for declaring assets), it raises questions about what the general was up to. Did he dole out secret funds or had he begun to dole out resources in the previous year in a bid to build up the king’s party that is the PML-Q?

Plus I had also collected data about how all Mush supporters took huge loans from the State bank of Pakistan which in turn was forced to cancel their debt. Unfortunately, the report is in Pingreji:

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 28 Sep 2010 01:26

Anujan wrote:From Yawn

US forces, however, not penetrate more than six miles into Pakistani territory. {Sovirginity was not lost, because it was GUBO within limits}

Anujan-Sir: if the U.S does it GUBO-style, Pakis can claim that sovirginity is never lost

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 28 Sep 2010 01:30

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/nucle ... rd/689049/

Pakistan, which refuses to sign the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and was home to a notorious nuclear smuggling ring, was named head of the UN nuclear watchdog's governing board here today.

At a special one-day meeting, the International Atomic Energy Agency's 35-member board of governors appointed "by acclamation" the head of Pakistan's Atomic Energy Commission, Ansar Parvez, as its chairman for the next 12 months, taking over from Malaysia.

The board of governors is the IAEA's most important policy-making body after the 151-nation general conference and meets five times a year.

Its rotating chair is appointed for a period of one year with the main task of presiding over debates and helping the board of governors reach consensus decisions.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 28 Sep 2010 02:11

ISI involved in 26/11, chief Pasha told CIA shortly after attacks: Book

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 635441.cms

Less than a month after the Mumbai attacks, Pakistan's spy agency chief Lt Gen Ahmed Shuja Pasha had admitted before the CIA that the terror strikes had ISI links but claimed it was not an "authorised" operation and carried out by "rogue" elements, according to a new book.

In January 2009, US Ambassador to India said:

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/devils-advoc ... 498-3.html

Karan Thapar: You've seen the dossier. Does the information or the material in the dossier, justify the claim that official agencies must have been involved?

David Mulford: I am not the one to make that judgement, but to me the case in the dossier for the things that I've just said is very compelling.

Karan Thapar: The reason I ask you is because you began your first answer by referring to the Secretary of State and in fact in an interview to the late edition of CNN program she said that there was no compelling evidence linking Pakistani official to what happened in Mumbai. Admittedly, that was sometime in early December. Since then five weeks have passed and you've noticed that the Prime Minister in India has said that official agencies must have been involved. So now would the US Secretary of State agree with the PM, now that five weeks have passed?

David Mulford: I just think that from the standpoint of the United States, the issue there is a very complex layout of players. You have a democratically elected government in place and functioning in Pakistan, you have the Army and the intelligence people.
When you say official sources or the Government of Pakistan that is a very blanket approach. I think one needs to be very, very careful about making those kinds of allegations, unless you have very concrete evidence to that degree of specificity.
United States tends to not get into that kind of specificity, unless there's some justification for it and goes along the line that I suggested earlier that there a lot of things here that tell you this is a very serious situation. You don't need to know that degree of specificity to know that you're compelled to pursue that.

So the CIA knew about it in December 2008 but Mr Mulford did not want to be "specific" in January 2009.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 28 Sep 2010 02:56

I am not sure I buy US absolving complete TSP establishment for 26/11. But at the same time, I can believe that things went awry somewhere becasue a complete TSPA/ISI handling of the operation would not have resulted in the attack on the Jewish center. They are too smart to invite the wrath of US & Israel.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Sep 2010 03:17

How about it was a legit ISI operation that was abandoned and took over by retired ISI types? Could account for the delay in carrying out.

And what did DCH tell his masters in US, as he was the one doing the recce and suggesting targets? Was he a US agent working with rogue ISI or official ISI? Or official ISI that retired and is now called rogue ISI?

The US role is very murky. Especially arresting the rascal and giving him plea bargain to keep him sub rosa. Smacks of ensuring their agent doesn't fall into Indian hands. The matter of greater crime should have come into effect. In US he thought of commiting crimes against Denmark while in India he was an 'accessory' to the crime.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 28 Sep 2010 03:17

CRamS wrote:I am not sure I buy US absolving complete TSP establishment for 26/11. But at the same time, I can believe that things went awry somewhere becasue a complete TSPA/ISI handling of the operation would not have resulted in the attack on the Jewish center. They are too smart to invite the wrath of US & Israel.

Actually, I think Kayani and co deliberately chose that target to send a message. 26/11 was as official as they come.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 28 Sep 2010 03:19

="Prem Kumar"]
Anujan wrote:From Yawn
US forces, however, not penetrate more than six miles into Pakistani territory. {Sovirginity was not lost, because it was GUBO within limits}
Anujan-Sir: if the U.S does it GUBO-style, Pakis can claim that sovirginity is never lost [/b

And no pregnancy either (Gen Patton's advise to British Women in WW2 is taken to heart by Poak Jernails)

Musharraf is Peachy Tight and Deep
6 Miles Penetration, Yet Not a Peep.
Suar-virginity to keep , Show no Breach!!
Poaksters have no grudge that Unkil penetrated so deep, they are embbarrased Unkil made the safe pull out public.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 28 Sep 2010 03:21

Altair wrote:US doesn't want to arm Pak against India: Obama to Zardari

"... we do not want to be part of arming you (Pakistan) against India, so let me be very clear about that," Obama, who
assumed office in January 2009, had said.

To his remarks, Zardari responded saying: "We are trying to change our world view but it's not going to happen
overnight."
One of the main reasons, several top US officials say, is Pakistan's apprehension and hatred against India, according to
the book.

"What Pakistan does not want, as a matter of faith, is a unified Afghan government that is led by a Pashtun sympathetic
to India" like President Hamid Karzai, he said.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sblpbm8dZSU

Extraordinary propaganda to support Pakistan with the US

http://www.todaysviews.com/?p=448

American threats to Pakistan may boomerang
Pakistan has been used to threats. They can discern what is a threat and what is a bluff. The state was threatened by Nehru on the day of her independence. Many think that Liaqat Ali Khan was murdered for working on a plan for a confederation with Afghanistan.. Kruschev threatened Islamabad of dire consequences if the US near Peshawar was not closed. It was threatened by President Johnson when Ayub Khan closed down the US base. Nixon and Kissinger threatened Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto for pursuing a Nuclear Program. Pervez Musharraf was threatened with being “bombed to the stone age” if he Pakistani government did not accept the seven points. Hillary Clinton threatened Pakistan with dire consequences without clarifying what that threat meant. Now there are revelations (from no very reliable Bharati sources) that the US wanted to bomb 150 sites in Pakistan.

Then they wonder why there is Anti-Americanism in Pakistan.

Of course the threat will be denied by the White House. However in the light of NATO attacks this week where NATO went into “hot pursut” –the threats have taken a new meaning.

Josh Rogin reporting in the Foreign Policy Magazine discusses the Obama tilt towards Pakistan. “The Obama administration has always been clear that the path to winning the war in Afghanistan goes through Pakistan. But if Bob Woodward’s new book is accurate, the White House considers its war effort much more dependent on the success and survival of Pakistan’s civilian government than was previously known.

Woodward’s “Obama’s Wars,” which hit bookstores Monday, sheds new light on the Obama administration’s vast outreach to the Pakistani civilian government led by President Asif Ali Zardari. It paints a picture of an administration working hard to court the Pakistanis while remaining somewhat confused about Pakistani thinking on a range of issues.”

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/

For better or worse, White House bets on Pakistan's civilian government
Posted By Josh Rogin Monday, September 27, 2010 - 3:02 PM

The Obama administration has always been clear that the path to winning the war in Afghanistan goes through Pakistan. But if Bob Woodward's new book is accurate, the White House considers its war effort much more dependent on the success and survival of Pakistan's civilian government than was previously known.

Woodward's "Obama's Wars," which hit bookstores Monday, sheds new light on the Obama administration's vast outreach to the Pakistani civilian government led by President Asif Ali Zardari. It paints a picture of an administration working hard to court the Pakistanis while remaining somewhat confused about Pakistani thinking on a range of issues.

Obama himself was confused about the nature of Pakistani intentions during two crucial decision points in his administration's Afghan policy -- the March 2009 strategy rollout and the deliberations in November 2009, which resulted in a troop surge and a huge expansion of covert operations in Pakistan. However, based on advice from the majority of his key advisers, he nonetheless tried to entice Pakistan to commit to a deep and long-term partnership with the United States by offering the Zardari government incentive after incentive, with relatively few pressures.

According to Woodward's account, the centrality of Pakistan was championed early on by Bruce Riedel, the Brookings scholar who was brought on as a key figure in the Obama administration's March 2009 Afghanistan strategy review.

http://www.todaysviews.com/?p=345#comment-1026

RL Francis says:
September 27, 2010 at 1:37 am
Kashmir: Peace holds the key to future
By RL Francis
Kashmiri youths posed a question to Home Minister P. Chidambram that why you don’t feel pain while shooting on us. Home Minister had gone to share grief of violence ridden Tangmarg near valley with all party delegation. Youths apparently told them that they are unemployed and want progress. However, unfortunately this is not happening. This conversation was not an official one but it has touch of reality and has element of grief and pain. It would have been even better if these dejected youths had asked the same question from their leadership who are using them as puppet providing guns and stones in stead of employment.
Kashmiri youths should understand that no nation celebrates after shooting their own people. Rather, it is very painful experience. A nation also does not want to use military for solutions. However, what is happening in the valley from the last two decades had left Indian state with little options. It is not that youths in other states have employment and they are not annoyed with the system. If people or common citizen have some problems this does not mean they should follow path of separatism and voice for independence from their umbilical cord.
One of the features of Indian democracy is that we have elections on every five years after 1947 barring few exceptions. People have opportunity to elect their own government and even people of Kashmir have got this opportunity. It is a matter of fact that people of Kashmir have more rights and facilities than other states. Despite this fact Kashmir is boiling to separate and convulsions are to see everybody. Even after so much rights and heavy grants if people are forced to bear grief and pain then their own leadership is more accountable for their situation.
People of Kashmir should ask Hurriyet Conference about their vested agenda and meaning of independence for them. Hurriat leaders want to bring an Islamic republic merging PoK and valley. They have support of many foreign forces. This truth was revealed in 2005 PoK trip of many Hurriyat leaders. Hurriyat leaders talk about plebiscite and status quo of United Nations. However, then Muslim population in J&K was 64 percent, 33 percent were Hindus and 3 percent population was of Buddhist, Sikhs and Christians. In the last two decades Non-Muslims have been ousted from the region in a planned manner. It is a notable that Shimla Agreement had rejected all old agreements and this leaves no place for plebiscite.
Hurriyet leadership has always tried to sabotage peace process in the past. It has a dubious distinction in this regard.Though; all party delegation tried to know their point of view but at the same time members of Jamat-e-Islami with Christians and Sikhs were protesting in Geneva. If Hurriyat Conference or any other organisation raises question on existence of Kashmir in Indian Federal state and Kashmiri youths fall in their traps; then it will serve no purpose and they will not progress. Kashmiri youths should come ahead from their homes and work for building an environment so that those who have already migrated could return their homes. Kashmiri youths should seek solution within federation of India.

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Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 28 Sep 2010 03:38

[quote from previous post]It is a notable that Shimla Agreement had rejected all old agreements and this leaves no place for plebiscite.[/quote]

Is there any such language in the Shimla Agreement, where both India and pak have agreed to rejecting UN resolutions for plebiscite?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 28 Sep 2010 03:42

Rangudu wrote:
Actually, I think Kayani and co deliberately chose that target to send a message. 26/11 was as official as they come.

Boss, are you then saying Woodward's "revelations" are poppycock? Or his CIA handers and sources rubbed wool on his eyes by giving him a few juicy tit-bits so he gets off their back and writes something and feels he accomplished something? This is the standard interplay between US govt and its mouthpieces in the media.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 28 Sep 2010 03:46

Rangudu wrote: Actually, I think Kayani and co deliberately chose that target to send a message. 26/11 was as official as they come.

Without a doubt. GWBush had to say, that it was unofficial, to prevent a war. TSP had to say that it was "not authorised" operation and "our ex-employees did it" just to make them look a bit innocent. Their all in it together, some indirectly (you can argue DCH & TR was direct I suppose). Nothing has changed with the US. And what have we really got with this close relationship with the US? Our borders remain and continue to remain unsafe. Sure Musharraf "apparently" paused cross border terror. We have had silly amounts of terror attacks and plans for terror continue to be made by TSP supported cells. Where do they get the money from to do this? Where do the TSPians get their training from?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 28 Sep 2010 03:49

Prasad wrote:
Is there any such language in the Shimla Agreement, where both India and pak have agreed to rejecting UN resolutions for plebiscite?

I don't think so. India's best answer to TSP's insistence on UN resolutions is to tell them to go back to the exact letter & spirit of those resolutions: 1) complete withdrawl of TSP forces from all of the erstwhile proincely territory of J&K, 2) hand over J&K to India, and 3) After India restors law & order, comes plebiscite.

After so many decades, ethnic cleansing of Pandits, terrorism, gifting of part of J&K to China, etc; the statute of limitations kicks in, and India legitimately says kiss my ass to TSP. The only practical solution is LOC == IB. TSP also knows this, but is bargaining for LOC++ interim agreement so that they can resume their proxy war in the backdrop of nuke blackmail, and they hope that at some point in the future, Kashmir valley will be theirs.