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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 17 Jul 2013 22:06
by arun
The Islamic Republic of Pakistan via its Finance Minister, claims a Civil Nuclear Technology deal with the US is under discussion:

Pak US agree to discuss civil nuclear technology: Ishaq Dar

The US promptly denies the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s claims with regard to having agreed to discussions on civil nuclear technology :lol: :

No discussion on civil nuclear technology with Pakistan: US

That left me with a sense of déjà vu and took me back to 2009 when then Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi said "France has agreed to transfer civilian nuclear technology to Pakistan," and further claimed that then French President Nicolas Sarkozy had said "What can be done for India can be done for Pakistan as well," only for France to shoot down the whole thing and say that any deal with Pakistan was restricted to nuclear safety and security :lol: :

France, Pakistan agree on civilian nuclear co-op

France-Pakistan nuclear deal to focus on safety

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 18 Jul 2013 00:11
by partha
Pakistanis are claiming Turkey has decided to invest $1B in Pakistan. Of course, I could not find any Turkish source or Turkish news portals carrying this news. Only Pakistanis. So expect another denial.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 18 Jul 2013 01:09
by Prem
British foreign secretary promises support to Pakistan

Beta You Can Seek "Any Kind of Bheekh
MALSIABAD: British Foreign Secretary William Hague said that Britain will support Pakistan in solving the problem the country is facing at the moment.. Hague offered to assist Pakistan in developing a counter-terrorism strategy. He further applauded the first ever democratic transition of power in Pakistan and said that Britain will try to maintain the relationship with Pakistan.. On the topic of police investigations into a money laundering case related to the MQM, Hague said that the matter relates to the police who are looking into it. Talking about trade and investment between the two countries, National Security and Foreign Affairs Adviser Sartaj Aziz said,. Aziz said that trade between Pakistan and UK amounted to $3 billion and he saw it increasing to $5 billion in the times to come. He said that Pakistan wants inclusion in GSP Plus and a greater access to EU market and stressed that UK’s support in the matter was appreciated. “In coming years, we hope, we will have enhanced strategic dialogue to deal with security, economic and political issues,” Aziz said. He added that while the government was looking into reports of some Taliban members moving to Syria, he reiterated that the government had nothing to do with movement of Taliban personnel. Aziz said that he will be visiting Kabul on Saturday.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 18 Jul 2013 01:16
by Prem
Pious Witesses of Nato Penetration in PakiProtectedSpace

NATO aircraft penetrates Pakistani "Air"-space(Mush Ka Doosra Naam )
PAKISTAN / RAWALPINDI: A North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) aircraft infiltrated Pakistan’s airspace on Wednesday and flew around for a duration of five to six minutes, Express News reported.They were in breach of Pakistan’s laws, reported Express News. Later, military sources contradicted the news saying that no such incident had occurred.They said there was no question of airspace violation by the coalition forces aircraft operating in Afghanistan.Earlier, an airstrike on Pakistani border posts in November 2011 in the Salala area of Mohmand Agency had killed two dozen Pakistani border guards, an event that had sunk the Pakistan-American relation to an all-time low.United States blamed the cause of the incident on mistakes made by both sides.NATO helicopters had pounded a Pakistani checkpost for hours despite attempts by Pakistani troops to communicate with the NATO forces that they were friendly forces.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 18 Jul 2013 01:27
by ramana
partha wrote:Pakistanis are claiming Turkey has decided to invest $1B in Pakistan. Of course, I could not find any Turkish source or Turkish news portals carrying this news. Only Pakistanis. So expect another denial.

Where does Turkey have $1B to throw away in TSP?

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 18 Jul 2013 01:30
by RCase
arun wrote:The Islamic Republic of Pakistan via its Finance Minister, claims a Civil Nuclear Technology deal with the US is under discussion:

Pak US agree to discuss civil nuclear technology: Ishaq Dar

The US promptly denies the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s claims with regard to having agreed to discussions on civil nuclear technology :lol: :

No discussion on civil nuclear technology with Pakistan: US
Finance Minister Ishaq Dar on Tuesday said that Pakistan and United States have agreed to hold dialogue on cooperation in civil nuclear technology. {The Pakis should already realize there is a difference between chai-biskoot and reality. Haven't the Yindians given them sufficient training?} :lol:
Later, the minister told media that the US delegation has expressed willingness to invest in bio-energy sector in Pakistan to overcome power crisis. {Harnessing Pindi Chana explosions onlee} :rotfl:

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 18 Jul 2013 01:34
by RCase
Jhujar wrote:Pious Witesses of Nato Penetration in PakiProtectedSpace

NATO aircraft penetrates Pakistani "Air"-space(Mush Ka Doosra Naam )
PAKISTAN / RAWALPINDI: A North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) aircraft infiltrated Pakistan’s airspace on Wednesday and flew around for a duration of five to six minutes, Express News reported.They were in breach of Pakistan’s laws, reported Express News. Later, military sources contradicted the news saying that no such incident had occurred.They said there was no question of airspace violation by the coalition forces aircraft operating in Afghanistan.Earlier, an airstrike on Pakistani border posts in November 2011 in the Salala area of Mohmand Agency had killed two dozen Pakistani border guards, an event that had sunk the Pakistan-American relation to an all-time low.United States blamed the cause of the incident on mistakes made by both sides.NATO helicopters had pounded a Pakistani checkpost for hours despite attempts by Pakistani troops to communicate with the NATO forces that they were friendly forces.
I guess drones flying and firing missiles inside Pakistan is not considered 'NATO aircraft' that penetrates Pakistani air space as they have been designated as the national bird!

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 18 Jul 2013 01:45
by Agnimitra
ramana wrote:
partha wrote:Pakistanis are claiming Turkey has decided to invest $1B in Pakistan. Of course, I could not find any Turkish source or Turkish news portals carrying this news. Only Pakistanis. So expect another denial.

Where does Turkey have $1B to throw away in TSP?
US aid can find its way to TSP via Turkey. That way many goals are achieved w.r.t. America's Islamism and NWO project - (a) Satisfy critics by "cutting" US aid to al-Qaida supporting TSP. (b) Still keep funding the Paki deep state. (c) Strengthen the Turko-Pakistani axis and noose around Iran, and establish an Islamist chain of command with the Turk at the administrative end and the Paki "shoodar" at the footsoldier end.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 18 Jul 2013 03:01
by CRamS
Guys, work and other pressure meant that I have been behind the curve, but what is this crap I just read being peddled by Vicky Nanjappa?

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 130717.htm

It’s not surprising that this tussle, alongwith the latest revelation by an officer that the Indian government was involved both in the 26/11 and Parliament attacks, has been lapped up very willingly by the Pakistan media.
Please update me if you can on which one of Sonia's minions have made a mockery of India like this. Can India stoop any lower that it has under MMS & Co. Disgusting.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 18 Jul 2013 03:40
by Vipul
SSridhar wrote: Vipul, can you give a gist of what Praveen swami said in these programmes ? TIA.
On one of the Programs the Pakistani Anchor and Participants started of by overemphasizing on what a Sr intelligence officer Satish Verma (Highly decorated and who Moeed Peerzada said cannot be doubted as Congress-I has praised him!!!!) has himself said that these were acts done by Indian agencies. Praveen Swami gave credence to this narrative and reinforced it by saying that Indian Agencies are sort of rogue which do what they want and there is no effective oversight on them by the Govt. He said this is not the case elsewhere and that Indian agencies do pretty much what they want to!!!!

He made only a very feeble attempt to defend India only when Talat Hussain quoted twice on what was written by Arundathi Roy to bash india. His counter arguments were not in protecting Indian Interests but looked more an effort of upstaging Arundathi as the Favorite Journalist to pakis!!!!!

I recall another Program where he was complaining to the Paki host of being denied a Visa to visit that country. He was almost begging for it!!!!

Kuldeep Nayar that old fart is even worse indulging in needless equal-equal. He said people in India have started questioning if Pakistan was invloved in the acts in India and agreed with Moeed Peerzada as to why Indian Media is not taking a stand and questioning govt more vigorously about the disclosure by a CBI officer.He was praising Pakistani Media and Journalists as being more open and courageous then India. He criticized the Indian Media conduct during the emergency, how it toed the govt line etc etc. The Piece of Shit was just ingratiating himself to the Pakis to ensure even more TV time for the future.

Moeed Peerzada clarified in another program (where he was one of the "Panel Experts") that Indian Media Personalities have mostly refused to come on line or comment on the talk shows about this topic and only few have the "courage" to comment on record. Well we know who those a**H***s are.

Have to clarify that Siddarth Dhanrajgir appeared on another program and defended India vigorously. He poked holes into the Pakistani argument and outright lies that Satish Verma has given a sworn affidavit in court that India was involved in the Mumbai and Parliament attacks.
He said Pakistanis should not misrepresent what happened. Fact is that Mani has given affidavit that Satish Verma was pressuring him to admit that India was involved in the attacks.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 18 Jul 2013 04:18
by SSridhar
Vipul, thanks

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 18 Jul 2013 04:30
by Gagan
Vipul, is there a link to the Siddarth Dhanrajgir program?

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 18 Jul 2013 04:40
by Gagan
Taliban letter urges Malala to return,join madrassa
PESHABWAR: A senior Pakistani Taliban commander has written to Malala Yousafzai, the teenage activist shot by militants urging her to return home and join a madrassa.{Hmmm}...
In an open letter released Wednesday, Adnan Rasheed, a former air force member turned TTP cadre, said he personally wished the attack had not happened, but accused her of running a "smearing campaign" against the them.

"It is amazing that you are shouting for education, you and the UNO (UN) is pretending that you were shot due to education, although this is not the reason ... not the education but your propaganda was the issue," Rasheed wrote.{AoA to that}
"What you are doing now, you are using your tongue on the behest of the others."
He accused Malala of seeking to promote an education system begun by the British colonialists to produce "Asians in blood but English in taste" and said students should study Islam and not what it called the "satanic or secular curriculum".
"I advise you to come back home, adopt the Islamic and Pashtun culture, join any female Islamic madrassa near your home town {Bismillah !}, study and learn the book of Allah, use your pen for Islam {She has a PEN ! :eek: }and plight of Muslim ummah (community)," Rasheed wrote.
The letter, written in English...
That's it! I've heard enough. :rotfl:

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 18 Jul 2013 05:33
by Prem

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 18 Jul 2013 07:40
by Vipul
Gagan wrote: Vipul, is there a link to the Siddarth Dhanrajgir program?
Here it is.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 18 Jul 2013 08:25
by arun
X Posted from the “Oppression of minorities in Pakistan” thread.

717 people died in Pakistan in religious violence: USCIRF

The referenced "Pakistan Religious Violence Project" report released by the US Commission for International Religious Freedom,is available at the below link and presents a comprehensive compendium of Mohammadden religion based violence targeting Hindu’s Christian’s and Sikh’s besides co-religionists belonging to minority sects of Mohammaddenism, namely Shia’s and Ahmadiyya’s, in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Pakistan’s History of Violence: A Chronology of Targeted Violence against Religious Communities

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 18 Jul 2013 09:45
by Prem
Deported from Israel for being a Muslim who visited Pakistan

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The early warning signs should have been clear at passport control when the woman there rifled through my passport, asked “You’ve been to Pakistan?” and quickly sifted me through to the interrogation room where everyone incidentally was either Arab or Muslim. My fears of racial and religious discrimination, instead of being proven overblown and hyped up as I had hoped, were quickly justified.The “guilty until proven innocent” ordeal began with a brief period of questioning about my personal details and motives in visiting and lasted for ten hours in which I was questioned four times. The perpetrator was a blond woman who seemed eager to prove right all the stereotypes I had ever held about Israelis. Indeed on this occasion, I would like to quote from “Naughty Nomad”, an infamous traveller whose advice I quite closely follow:“The worst thing were the attitudes. Israeli women are forced into the army for two years and many come out the other end as little monsters…”The interrogators read all my WhatsApp and text messages in a blatant violation of privacy while they repeatedly insisted they knew I was up to something untoward and threatened me with severe consequences if I didn’t inform them of my hitherto unknown plan. Of course, these claims were made with no evidence whatsoever, and despite my calm exterior, left me incredibly flustered. As expected, exactly what I feared transpired and I was told that I would be denied entry to the state of Israel upon a “security risk”.My luggage was put through an “explosion detection” machine and after an uncomfortably thorough body search, I was hounded into a van with two security guards. They drove me for five minutes into a gated, white building surrounded by huge fences that one would only accord to a jail or a police station. The doors in our cells were without knobs, the windows were double barred and the rooms incredibly humid and damp – a fact made worse by the presence of six individuals in mine. We all had to make do on small bunk beds covered by furry grey blankets. And thus, it was like this that we were left that night – hungry, thirsty and worried without any fresh water, without any food and unable to sleep a wink due to the heat.
At times during my brief stay, the calls of “hanzeer” (pigs) by the Arabs holed up with me in reference to the Jewish race almost resonated with me and yet, if a solution is to be found to this conflict, the rational amongst us must ensure that we don’t fall blindly into the same category of bigotry and hatred of which the Israelis are guilty

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 18 Jul 2013 10:23
by Prem
KESC cuts power supply to PSM

While whole Balochistran Is In Darkness
KARAN-KII: The Karachi Electric Supply Company (KESC) on Wednesday evening disconnected power supply to Pakistan Steel Mills (PSM) because of outstanding payment of Rs930 million, Geo News reported.KESC spokesman said PSM has to pay Rs550 million, out of Rs930 million outstanding dues today, however, it failed to do so. As a result, the utility company cut power supply to Steel Mills.Meanwhile, PSM spokesman said they will pay Rs100 million to KESC on Thursday. He said cut in power supply will cause billions of loss to Steel Mills.The spokesman said it will take two to three days to restart the plants of the mill.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 18 Jul 2013 10:42
by SSridhar
The PSM issue would flare up every time Mian Nawaz Sharif assumes power.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 18 Jul 2013 12:47
by SSridhar
Pakistan Army Vs. TTP - P.K. Upadhyay, IDSA

The author says that Nawaz Sharif wanted to have 'peace agreement' with the TTP but Kayani was against it as he was planning an action against them with Haqqani & LeT. Ultimately, the encircled TTP appealed to Mullah Omar who asked the others to stop from attacking TTP. The fighting came to an end.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 18 Jul 2013 12:51
by partha
Jhujar wrote:
Watch from 29:20. Paraphrasing -

Panelist Mosharraf Zaidi - "Pakistani journalists & FIA did more to establish clear links between Pakistan and Mumbai attacks" :rotfl:
Moderator Peerzada interrupts - "You mean links between LeT and Mumbai attacks. Do you think there is a link?"
Zaidi caught off guard corrects himself - "I did not mean Pakistani riyasat blah blah"
Peerzada cuts him short and asks Praveen Swami - "Has India been able to establish identities of 9 people with Kasab?".

Amazing level of dishonesty. What else can you expect from Pakis?

Anyways, regarding this guy Mosharraf Zaidi - don't get fooled by his innocent looks. He is 400% "scratch the surface and you'll find a jihadi" guy. Acts all liberal, projects himself as a kind hearted man of peace (well most RAPEs are like this but this guy is a bit more sophisticated. Beats others.) but he is anything but that. Many Indians fall for his acting.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 18 Jul 2013 12:56
by partha
SSridhar wrote:The PSM issue would flare up every time Mian Nawaz Sharif assumes power.
SSji, Pak Gobermint has announced that they want to sell PSM to a private party. Cutting electricity seems to be a part of this plan. Shutdown the plant and put out a for sale advt.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 18 Jul 2013 14:20
by Peregrine
A shame indeed
When you are a country without education, culture or integrity you will also have complete and total breakdown of law and civil behaviour. We are now buffeted daily by random killings, bombing, mayhem, murders, looting and all the ills that identify a failed society.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 18 Jul 2013 14:44
by Philip
The day Bhutto was hanged,my mother and I were having lunch with a Pakistani visitor to India,an elegant woman from high soc.,who lived part of the time in the UK.She was aghast at the "murder" and predicted even then,4 decades ago,a terrible fate for her country."These people will never learn or change",is what she said and she has been proven a prophet.Pak can only descend further into the abyss and from where it will be impossible for it to recover and behaving like a normal "decent and civilised" state.Its future one can see in what is happening with the "Arab Spring".Military govts.,and armed tribes will rule Pak, or the parts of it that will inevitably split in the future.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 18 Jul 2013 14:49
by Peregrine
^^^
Philip Ji :

So mote it be!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 18 Jul 2013 15:46
by SSridhar
partha wrote:
SSridhar wrote:The PSM issue would flare up every time Mian Nawaz Sharif assumes power.
SSji, Pak Gobermint has announced that they want to sell PSM to a private party. Cutting electricity seems to be a part of this plan. Shutdown the plant and put out a for sale advt.
Partha, yes. The PSM went on the block more than two decades ago. Mittal was interested at one stage during Musharraf's reign. Being businessmen, Nawaz & Shahbaz would float a benami company along with a Chinese partner and acquire it at a throw-away price, because no other international conglomerate might be interested in investing in Pakistan.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 18 Jul 2013 20:41
by Prasad
Jhujar wrote:Deported from Israel for being a Muslim who visited Pakistan

Just Another Poaqodumb Poaqodumb Poaqodumb
The early warning signs should have been clear at passport control when the woman there rifled through my passport, asked “You’ve been to Pakistan?” and quickly sifted me through to the interrogation room where everyone incidentally was either Arab or Muslim. My fears of racial and religious discrimination, instead of being proven overblown and hyped up as I had hoped, were quickly justified.The “guilty until proven innocent” ordeal began with a brief period of questioning about my personal details and motives in visiting and lasted for ten hours in which I was questioned four times. The perpetrator was a blond woman who seemed eager to prove right all the stereotypes I had ever held about Israelis. Indeed on this occasion, I would like to quote from “Naughty Nomad”, an infamous traveller whose advice I quite closely follow:“The worst thing were the attitudes. Israeli women are forced into the army for two years and many come out the other end as little monsters…”The interrogators read all my WhatsApp and text messages in a blatant violation of privacy while they repeatedly insisted they knew I was up to something untoward and threatened me with severe consequences if I didn’t inform them of my hitherto unknown plan. Of course, these claims were made with no evidence whatsoever, and despite my calm exterior, left me incredibly flustered. As expected, exactly what I feared transpired and I was told that I would be denied entry to the state of Israel upon a “security risk”.My luggage was put through an “explosion detection” machine and after an uncomfortably thorough body search, I was hounded into a van with two security guards. They drove me for five minutes into a gated, white building surrounded by huge fences that one would only accord to a jail or a police station. The doors in our cells were without knobs, the windows were double barred and the rooms incredibly humid and damp – a fact made worse by the presence of six individuals in mine. We all had to make do on small bunk beds covered by furry grey blankets. And thus, it was like this that we were left that night – hungry, thirsty and worried without any fresh water, without any food and unable to sleep a wink due to the heat.
At times during my brief stay, the calls of “hanzeer” (pigs) by the Arabs holed up with me in reference to the Jewish race almost resonated with me and yet, if a solution is to be found to this conflict, the rational amongst us must ensure that we don’t fall blindly into the same category of bigotry and hatred of which the Israelis are guilty
What is this innocent until proven guilty nonsense at entry to another nation? You enter at the wishes of the host nation. If they think you're a security risk, then they damn well are right to make sure you aren't. Poaks always :(( :(( when they're singled out for being a terrorist nation (duh!).

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 18 Jul 2013 21:09
by vishvak
So Musharraf Zaidi is all sad because China threat level won't be the same as also about poverty in bakistan. Seems conspiracy/misinformation/outrage is staple food for paki. May be that's what's makes chana gas pak style possible to pak themselves as per whims of fourfathers..

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 18 Jul 2013 21:31
by sanjaykumar
Deported from Israel for being a Muslim who visited Pakistan

http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/18070 ... -pakistan/

Israel today has become what one would call an anachronism. The very idea of a Jewish state where minorities are subjected to inferior treatment is an idea the roots of which lie in centuries past. This ethno-religious criteria used to denominate and rank citizens is hardly the hallmark of a liberal democracy. The Zionist state is the only developed country on the planet which undertakes the policy of ethnic cleansing and encroachment of foreign land with such arrogant gusto and in doing so has forever became an international pariah. With American support, the Israelis have continuously flouted UN security resolutions, became the only country in the Middle East to possess deployable nuclear weapons of mass destruction and slowly leeched into Palestinian territory with the intention of creating a greater Israel. What is more these policies and the sheer indifference of the Israeli political elite to the wretched fate of the Palestinians has now become the best recruiting tool for terrorists all over the globe.


I guess Pakis don't do irony.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 18 Jul 2013 21:34
by Peregrine
'ere we go, 'ere we go - Again

Fly away : Producing planes in Pakistan
KARACHI : Money is time, time is money.

Or so goes the saying, one that thirty-eight-year old Faisal Naveed Asif firmly believes in.

“There will always, always be people who need to travel fast,” says the CEO of Scaled Aviation Industries, the only lightweight aircraft maker in the country’s private sector, as he recalls the example of a Lahore-based surgeon who wanted to visit patients in rural Punjab and be back home by the evening. “We have identified a market which is just going to [keep growing].”
According to Asif, the fuel efficiency of his company’s Bombardier Rotax engine-driven plane, built to run on petrol, is more than the Cessna. After the company started marketing its planes in 2009, it has been making sales regularly.
“We are making 23% of the airframes locally,” he says. “This includes landing gears, internal seating, flaps and other components.”
Scaled Aviation manufactures and markets the aircraft under licence with Kolb, which has been acquired by ATR Aircraft.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 19 Jul 2013 00:01
by Nandu
Pakistan to try to mend fences with Afghanistan

Sartaj Aziz visiting Kabul. I doubt there will be any fence mending.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 19 Jul 2013 01:40
by Peregrine
Offer derailed : Govt refuses to take on $112m Pak Railways debt
ISLAMABAD : The government on Thursday turned down a request of Pakistan Railways that the state bear the burden of $112 million (about Rs11.5 billion) worth of debt liabilities that the sinking enterprise owes to China, which is feared to worsen the financial condition of the corporation.

Federal Railways Minister Khawaja Saad Rafique asked the Economic Coordination Committee (ECC) of the cabinet, in a meeting held on Thursday, to take on the $112 million debt as the railways was not able to service it, officials say. The railways had obtained the loan from China’s Export-Import Bank for procurement.

However, the government refused to bail out the railways. On the contrary, it approved a Rs7 billion life line for Pakistan International Airlines last week.

The railways wanted its debt to be made part of the national debt aimed at cleaning its books. However, ECC Chairman Ishaq Dar, who is also the finance minister, rejected the request, arguing that after Pakistan Railways other entities would also start seeking similar treatment.

The country’s total public debt has already crossed Rs14.5 trillion or 63.5% of gross domestic product, far above the ceiling of 60%. End March 2013 Total Debt = Pak Rs. 1,5445.7 Billion. Expected End June 2013 (End of FY) = Pak Rs. 16,200 Billion. GDP = Pak Rs. 22,909.11 Billion. So Debt on 30-06-2013 about 70.7%

Pakistan Railways is facing acute financial problems and is unable to pay salaries and pensions to its employees without seeking grants from the government. Last week, the government gave a grant of Rs500 million to the railways for repairing out-of-order locomotives.
This raises the question “How will the Govt of India ensure that it gets paid for the Electricity, Natural Gas, Refined Petroleum Products etc. etc. & etc. in the light of Pak Railways defaulting on the Debt to the Chinese to the tune of US$ 112 Million?”

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 19 Jul 2013 01:42
by anupmisra
Nandu wrote:Pakistan to try to mend fences with Afghanistan
Sartaj Aziz visiting Kabul. I doubt there will be any fence mending.

There's a fence?

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 19 Jul 2013 05:09
by RCase
Peregrine wrote:'ere we go, 'ere we go - Again

Fly away : Producing planes in Pakistan
According to Asif, the fuel efficiency of his company’s Bombardier Rotax engine-driven plane, built to run on petrol, is more than the Cessna. After the company started marketing its planes in 2009, it has been making sales regularly.
Runs on petrol? Wouldn't the fuel efficiency be exponentially better if it ran on a water kit or djinn energy? He needs to consult with other Paki engineers! :rotfl:

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 19 Jul 2013 05:12
by RCase
So the multi-million dollar order for American locomotives goes swirling down the pakistan?

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 19 Jul 2013 05:15
by SSridhar
Peregrine wrote:This raises the question “How will the Govt of India ensure that it gets paid for the Electricity, Natural Gas, Refined Petroleum Products etc. etc. & etc. in the light of Pak Railways defaulting on the Debt to the Chinese to the tune of US$ 112 Million?”
Why, only through their exports. They will have to export terror more to India.

Now that GoP has decided not to absorb this amount as part of its debts, who is going to pay Dong Feng (or whatever) this 112 M USD ? The Chinese are known for tough methods to extract money.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 19 Jul 2013 05:56
by Prem
gGovt seeks Delhi input on ‘staged attacks’ overnment over the startling disclosure.

Kusch Baat Hai ki Aqal Aati Nahi Hai Inko: Sadiyon Sei Koshish Kar Raha Sarra Jahan Bechara

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has asked India to clarify its position over the recent revelations by an Indian government officer that the 2001 Parliament and 2008 Mumbai attacks were engineered by New Delhi.Foreign ministry spokesperson Aizaz Ahmed Chaudhry confirmed on Thursday that Pakistan’s High Commissioner in New Delhi contacted the Indian government over the startling disclosure.The issue, according to sources, was also raised by Foreign Secretary Jalil Abbas Jilani during a meeting with newly-appointed Indian High Commissioner to Pakistan Dr Raghavan. The Indian envoy met the foreign secretary to officially take charge of his new responsibilities on Thursday.Separately, Federal Information Minister for Broadcasting Senator Pervaiz Rasheed said Pakistan would give its reaction once it formally received the Indian response.Last week, a former officer of the Indian home ministry alleged that Indian government orchestrated the two high-profile terrorist attacks – for which New Delhi has officially held Pakistan-based militant groups responsible.According to India’s Times of India (TOI) newspaper, RVS Mani, who as home ministry under-secretary signed the affidavits submitted in court in the Ishrat Jahan ‘fake encounter case’, said that Satish Verma, a former member of the Central Bureau of Investigation-SIT probe team, told him that both the 2001 attack on Indian parliament and the 2008 Mumbai attacks were set up with the objective of strengthening counter-terror legislation.Mani maintained that according to Verma, the attack on the Indian Parliament was followed by the Prevention of Terrorist Activities Act and the attacks in Mumbai were followed by an amendment to the Unlawful Activities Prevention Act.According to a foreign ministry official, Foreign Secretary Jilani and the new Indian high commissioner also discussed prospects of resumption of third-round of composite dialogue between the two countries. The official disclosed that the third round was expected to begin soon as the two sides were finalising roadmap for the series of meetings at the official level.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 19 Jul 2013 06:04
by Prem
Out of the loop and into Global Jihad

Har Jihadi Ki Tammana Hai ki Hoor Osse Mill Jayee: Chahe Marre Drone Sei Yaan Syria mey Chal Ayye

Let’s go further, to page 130, and be horrified that the air chief was woken by the COAS at 0207 on May 2nd and asked to “scramble” his aircraft to shoot down the intruders “over Abbottabad”, by which time the Americans were well away and having refueled at Kala Dhaka, well on their way to Afghanistan and the protection of the dozens of fighters and AWACs which were in the air. The PAF takes no responsibility at all, taking shelter behind the fact that Pakistan was a Non-Nato Ally of the US and they perceived no danger from the western border.

And now to a new and even greater danger: the launch of the Global Jihad from this poor country which is just trying to scrape along given its moronic institutions (see above). The TTP have proudly announced (and then withdrawn their announcement as they are wont to do to keep the State destabilised) that they are soon going to be in Syria — some reports suggest they are already there — to help the Islamic (read Sunni) fighters against the Alawite (read Shia) regime of President Bashar alAssad.I am not surprised. On April 5, 2011 I wrote in Dawn: “Let’s say it straight: why will their apologists not understand that the Taliban and their friends and associates … Al Qaeda or Hizbut Tahrir or Al-Muhajiroun or Afghan Taliban or Pakistani Taliban … are all linked … and are in the business of taking over the state of Pakistan, a first step to global jihad? And that they will kill and maim all who come in their way: innocent men and women and children; our army soldiers; our police, even their own apologists such as Maulana Fazlur Rehman simply because he too is a part of the organised state.”On September 8, 2012, in “If only if”, published in this same space, I had said to IK when he was threatening to take 100,000 people to South Waziristan in a peace march and which ended up a damp squib before they even got to Fata:
“Does he understand that the Jihadi arms of the Deep State, nurtured and protected like favourite sons, ARE the problem?
He wants to go to Waziristan with a 100,000-strong caravan to show solidarity with the ordinary, lay people there. But what about the Jihadis, many of them foreigners with only one aim: the takeover of the State of Pakistan/launching Global Jihad and setting up the Caliphate? I doubt it.”
And yet again in my piece, “Ambushes and talks” in this same space, I had written clearly that while I was being shouted down by my fellow panelists on a talk show on Dunya TV, I did manage to say that once the Americans were gone from the region, the TTP would turn its guns upon the world through Pakistan. I also refuted their Ghairatmand argument that all of the TTP were actually loyal sons of Pakistan, and said that large numbers were Uzbeks and Tajiks and Chechens and Arabs and Indonesians and Somalis; even Uighur Chinese whose agenda was the takeover of the state and the start of the Global Jihad from this hapless, helpless country.Well, let’s see where this particular Tsunami takes us ….
P.S: Would that the Abbottabad Commission had asked the FO/MOI who issued Umar Patek a visa. Or, many years ago, Richard Reid the shoe bomber, or Jose Padilla the Dirty Bomber, both low-life, filthy criminals of no fixed abode who visited the Citadel of Islam several times each before they did their dirty work?!

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 19 Jul 2013 06:05
by Anantha
http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... 86880.aspx

Another Cashmere de... de.. article, this time by Bruce Reidel :((

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Posted: 19 Jul 2013 06:14
by Prem
Hate: our national and religious pride — Syed Kamran Hawshmi
BadBoo Aaa Rahi Pakifoolow Sey: Aadat Chutt Nahi Sakti Inn Dimag Kei Loolow Sey
Hate is a powerful sentiment, much more powerful than love. Unabated and unrestricted, it can wreak havoc in your personal life; you can lose your family, friends, job and even your children. However, if it is a symbol of national pride and the only emotion that can bind us together, it can be tremendously ‘useful’. That is why we Pakistanis love to hate everybody in the world. From Japan in the Far East to Alaska in the US, and from the North Pole to Antarctica, we abhor almost every country across the globe except (maybe) Saudi Arabia and China. I wanted to add Iran and North Korea in the list of our favourite nations, but I guess they have become too controversial after our last ‘business deal’ with them regarding a stolen technology.Theologically speaking, we hate every other religion in the world, including (but not limited to) Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Judaism and Christianity. Nevertheless, we ‘pray’ for their followers; we implore them to listen closely to their hearts and look for the ultimate reality beyond the comforts of their mundane lives. We are certain that deep down their conscience always tells them about the truth and they realise the fallaciousness of their ideology. But, they are hesitant to concede because they are scared of their society, their families and their friends. Yet, if they really hate lies and fabrication in religion, their fear will evaporate in no time, and they will, without question, turn towards the enlightened path and eternal bliss. In this journey, our job is to help them, and we should never leave them alone as faith is not a personal matter between them and their God, it is a social issue. We have to try our best to show them the right path, at least once. After that, we need to attempt once more by taking them to the ‘appropriate’ place of worship, and after that, may be one more time by letting them talk to the appropriate preacher. Even with all that well intended hard work, if they do not acknowledge their shortcomings, we can in that case of stubbornness just tell them to burn in hell forever and withdraw our sincere efforts immediately. In future, we have to stay away from such sinners to protect ourselves from their satanic influence.Considering it as one of our major problems, we also detest sectarianism. We hate plurality of ideas and loathe diversity in religion. We believe it is against our fundamental beliefs to have conflicting points of view. Therefore, we urge everyone to make an effort to bring unity and peace in our country. To achieve this goal, we would like everyone to join our sect, and in the name of God leave their questionable beliefs aside. In this way, we would not only be able to get rid of blasphemy, apostasy, heresy and innovations in our faith, we would also set the precedent for other nations to prosper spiritually and advance their metaphysical powers up to the celestial bodies beyond our universe.
I am afraid so-called modernisation will become fatal for our future if we fail to recognise the threat. So beware folks, in reality, all progressives hate religious people (God forbid) and as agents of Zionism they accuse all of us of fundamentalism, terrorism and religious bigotry. We should never keep quiet in response to their allegations, and always confront them with the truth. We should tell them they are not moderates (since we are the moderates). They are in fact liberals, the fascists who are going to burn in hell along with infidels for a long time. Liberals should also know there is no place for them in our society. They are the trouble makers, western agents with vested interests. Even the ‘semi secular’ Jamaat-e-Islami agrees with this assertion and its Ameer finally has pronounced on television that Pakistan is for the people of (single) faith only. In my opinion, the cure for this disease of enlightenment is simple: compulsory education of everyone in the madrassas for 10 years straight. And by the Grace of the Almighty we are working on it.In the end, when all other measures fail to bring victory for us, we just have to pray for Armageddon, by which we mean near complete annihilation of the human race except the rightly guided souls. Ordinarily, it can be considered as a disturbing idea, an event that we should all pray really hard to avoid and ask the Almighty to protect all human beings from its devastation, but as the people of right faith, we demand just the opposite. We look for the signs of the end of days everywhere. We discuss it at great length on television; we go through all the religious texts — even those that we claim to be untrue — to find its clues in modern times and keep it close to our hearts as the last sign of optimism. For us, all those who would suffer and die in the process would suffer and die fighting for evil, and would therefore get the treatment they had chosen for themselves. We cannot be responsible for their acts.As you can imagine now, a tremendous amount of hate boils in our hearts and is all good because it determines our resolve and ignites our national spirit. It helps us attack minorities through false allegations of blasphemy, apostasy and heresy. It is also one of the few assets, besides population, corruption and terrorism that is growing at break neck speed in our country. We should always encourage it.