Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala
Posted: 21 Nov 2018 15:23
Just cause another awakening so that these cops have to be diverted. Just do it.
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This time around the Tantri (chief priest) have stuck to his guns. And one big positive aspect about him is that he only speaks when absolutely neccessary, and that too for what is in his domain. He is also the chief priest for many Ayyappa temples all across India, so this priest family also have outside Kerala connections.chetak wrote:This is a well thought out and a devious plan.
With TDB and mantri in their pockets, they are now boldly aiming to subjugate and control the thantri
These are all threats meant for NRKs mainly working out of Middle Eastern countries. I don't think such draconian steps will work with any other European countries or the US; and for passport cancellation etc help from MEA is expected. Now if Visa mata allows the K.P to have its way, then not much to say. K.P is actually bluffing liberally these days by using terms like "passport cancellation","charging cases","arrest" etc. Seasoned politicians know all the procedures involved here, but a common Ayyappa devotee may NOT.SaiK wrote:NRI folks get ready to be thrown out of the country itself.. what commie jokers. I can't believe they will exist anymore in malloostan for eternity.
Why on earth would MoD provide helo to KP?Sachin wrote: Google maps of Sabari Mala area. The roads which pilgrims take etc. are clearly seen. The view from the helicopter cannot be much different, but perhaps from a very lower level. But along the trek route there are many points which have tin roofing, and many which also has forest cover. A general overview of the pilgrim's movements can be seen, and the police officer sitting in the helo can pass on the message on the police wireless. But beyond that, I don't think they can do much.
The helo patrols are only limited to very few days (and that too it cannot be three times a day). There was a temporary helipad at Nilakkal base camp, but I don't think it is 100% operational. So the helos will have to start from the Naval Air station at Kochi.
May be to show that in matters of internal security MoD will not play spoil sport. And K.P is expected to pay them for their services. The Navy pilots also get some flying time to recordKarthik S wrote:Why on earth would MoD provide helo to KP?
Oh! WHAT AN OPPORTUNITY for helicopter-based advertising! Please see the suggested posters to put on roofs (and remove quickly after helo passes).many points which have tin roofing
Perhaps the criminal cases for inciting riots, should be considered against DGP Clouseau of Circular IQ?When pressed about the reason for including the warning to foreign nationals about their passports being cancelledfor indulging in such activities, he said, “It is on the basis of the DGP’s circular. We have written like this because the highest number of such posts are coming from abroad, and [it needs to be known] that strict action will be taken against them. Their passports will be cancelled and a case taken up against them.”
He reiterated, “This is a criminal case, it will be taken up in that matter. Hence the circular was given as an advance warning.”
The notice is being circulated on social media, and causing some outrage with those who align themselves to Save Sabarimala protests alleging that this was a intimidatory tactic of the Kerala police.
tvm city police commissioner fb threatens NRI devotees with cancellation of passports & bringing them back to Kerala as a punishment for supporting #SaveSabarimala https://t.co/L97xzuPawd
cc @MEAIndia @SushmaSwaraj @HMOIndia pic.twitter.com/Yf9uuVAYOs
— Anjali George (@Kuvalayamala) November 20, 2018
Even NRIs are threatened by saying that their PP will be cancelled. Utter Chaos.
Govt must enquire and take action against city police Commissioner, Tiruvanathapuram.
#SaveSabarimala https://t.co/ib3n2C4MEF
cc @MEAIndia @SushmaSwaraj @HMOIndia pic.twitter.com/6VNTE4dqAC
— Puushothman Vaikkath (@purushueme) November 20, 2018
Hope MEA will assure safety of NRIs. I cannot afford cancellation of my passport. Should I renounce Indian citizenship for living as an Ayyappa Devotee & stand with my temple Sushma ji @SushmaSwaraj ? https://t.co/uXcSWSbd37
— Anjali George (@Kuvalayamala) November 20, 2018
I have reached out to my Congressman and Senators asking how and the Commie MLAs and MPs from Kerala get US Visa when US Visa application explicitly asks a question about Supporting communism.SaiK wrote:Alrighty.. NRI folks get ready to be thrown out of the country itself.. what commie jokers. I can't believe they will exist anymore in malloostan for eternity.
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Sabarimala
Will cancel passports of NRIs inciting riots over Sabarimala issue say Kerala cops
The notice has provoked sharp responses on social media
The Sabarimala Conundrum: It’s A Lose-Lose For Hindus
by Rajeev Srinivasan
Nov 21, 2018,
Snapshot
It is clear that the Kerala government will stop at nothing to force the entry of young women into Sabarimala.
In the first of a two-part article, the writer says how the Supreme Court ruling triggered a disastrous series of events where there were no winners, but many losers, most of all the Hindu women of Kerala.
The Sabarimala issue is one in which there are no winners, but many losers. Most of all, the losers are the faithful, especially Kerala Hindu women, who have had their beliefs trampled underfoot by an uncaring state. Almost nobody comes out of it smelling of roses, and it has been a disastrous series of events, the real import of which we don’t yet understand. However, it feels very much like a tipping point, although which way things will go is not yet clear.
While the proximate cause of the problems is the Supreme Court ruling on 28 September, there is a preponderant cause and a root cause, too. We can also think in terms of three different stakeholders, none of whom exactly covered themselves in glory: the Supreme Court, the communist Kerala government, and the BJP Union government.
The Supreme Court
The proximate cause is the public interest litigation (PIL) that the court unwisely admitted: because those filing the case had no obvious locus standi. None of them were Kerala Hindus, or pious Ayyappa devotee women, who might have had a legitimate desire to visit the temple in their child-bearing years between 10 and 50. Instead, it was filed by several Delhi lawyers (four out of five of them later changed their mind once they understood the situation, but the court would not let them withdraw the petition, perhaps for technical reasons, perhaps because of the virtue-signalling opportunity).
There are plenty of concerns about the entire PIL process, wherein a fashionable cause can be brought to the Supreme Court directly: a situation unique to India. Comparable class-action suits in the US, for instance, have to wend their way for several years through lower courts, courts of appeal, etc, before the Supreme Court accepts it only if it is a constitutional matter. In India, on the other hand, anybody with an axe to grind and lots of money can hire a famous lawyer, get the case listed straight as a PIL in the SC, and have the court rule in their favour in a few months, damn the impact on society at large. It really isn’t in the ‘public interest’ after all, just a pet cause for the litigants.
The simplest thing regarding Sabarimala would have been for the Supreme Court to maintain the status quo ante. However, based on a narrow reading of their ambit, and influenced no doubt by current fads and the media, the courts chose to impose a ruling that is the very opposite of Solomonic: instead of being harsh but even-handed, it is harsh but one-sided, and doesn’t take the ground situation into account.
This is the most glaring proximate cause; on reflection, the court should have rejected this PIL, but it was positioned as a ‘gender-rights’ issue, and presumably in the wake of #MeToo, judges too are eager to show how politically-correct they are with respect to this latest fashion.
The Supreme Court, in a rambling verdict, ruled on 28 September said that all women should be allowed free entry, regardless of consequences. The simple-minded focus on gender equality shows two things: a) the baleful the influence of Western fads and causes on the courts, b) the possibility that the court had made up its mind even before any arguments were heard.
The latter possibility is buttressed by two observations. There was an immediate uproar, and thousands of ordinary Kerala Hindu women, the purported ‘victims’ being given succour by the ruling, took to the streets in massive protests, because they felt their faith and traditions were under attack by outsiders. They were #ReadyToWait till they were 50, they said. The sight of thousands of ordinary middle-class mothers and grandmothers out on the streets should have been instructive.
But the courts choose to ignore them, and set the hearing for the clutch of review petitions on 13 November, aware that the temple would open for Diwali on 5 and 6 November. If the process were fair, the hearing of the review petition should have been before Diwali, because once a single young woman entered, there would be a fait accompli, and the tradition would have been violated, to the chagrin of the faithful.
Indeed, there were startling battle scenes on the days the temple was open in October and earlier this month with large numbers of policemen in riot gear protecting certain female activists who were obviously not pilgrims, or driven by any need to pray. They were there to make a point. This prospect caused serious angst among the devotees, leading to scenes of unprecedented protests. There was chaos.
These law and order problems and the sentiments of the protesting women did not sway the court, and when they accepted the review petitions in camera on 13 November, the court did not stay their earlier judgment, which they could have while analysing the situation on the ground. On the contrary, they postponed the hearing of the review petitions to 22 January, which is after the Sabarimala season is over. They explicitly said there was no stay on the 28 September ruling. In other words, they were signalling the Kerala government that the latter should go ahead with its plans to bring in women activists, and perhaps that the review petitions would be thrown out.
The impartial observer is forced to ask whether there is a pattern in the Supreme Court’s rulings in the recent past, generally in the wake of dubious PILs. There was the jallikattu ban, the dahihandi ban, the Diwali cracker ban – all of which were based on no scientific evidence, but all of which had the result of demeaning Hindu practices. The impression one gets is that court is simply sniping at the Narendra Modi government, possibly with a political agenda. Hindu sentiments are the collateral damage.
Kerala Government
There is a preponderant cause, which is the hostility of successive Kerala governments towards Hindus (and only Hindus) and in particular against the Sabarimala temple. Let us recall how in the 1950’s, the temple (which was then seldom visited) was set on fire by Christians seeking to grab the forest around it. The response of C Kesavan, the then-CM and Congress leader, was instructive: “Good. One more house of superstition burned down”.
Successive Congress and communist governments have continued their step-motherly treatment of the temple. It became a cash cow for them, as the number of pilgrims grew exponentially in the 1980s and later, now reaching some 40 million a year, quite possibly the largest pilgrimage in the world. The governments simply siphoned off the entire revenue of donations by the faithful. And they did nothing to whatsoever improve the facilities.
It is unbelievable how much has been looted from pilgrims – hundreds of crores per year – without a paisa being spent on improving amenities for them. There is absolutely no organisation unlike in Tirupati: pilgrims are not able to purchase passes to enter at a given time and many end up spending 10-12 hours waiting in line for a glimpse of the sanctum; there are far too few toilets and bathrooms; there is not enough shelter from the sun and rain (the November-January season is relatively cold and the northeast monsoon is active).
There are feral pigs rooting in the muck, with fierce fangs; the whole area is a mess with mud, pig droppings, plastic, flowers, and human waste. There were photographs of young children sleeping propped up against garbage bins, others sleeping next to rooting pigs. These are people who have come from far and near, after 41 days of penance, have been overcharged for everything, been forced to walk 20 kilometres from the Nilakkal station to Pamba, then climb steep hills for 4-5 km to arrive at the sanctum. Only in India are pilgrims treated with such contempt.
And indeed, the temple area has exceeded its carrying capacity because of no investment whatsoever for decades. Frankly, the emotion it induces is not bhakti but bibhatsa: the fortitude of the pilgrims who brave all this is astonishing.
None of this is beyond fixing: but it needs money, and more importantly, will. The money is there: the government commingle pilgrim offerings with government funds. The will is missing. It is ironic that this year, when the Pinarayi Vijayan government wanted to control the crowds for their own purposes, they have been able to create some kind of system of reducing the crush at the Sannidhanam. Why couldn’t they do crowd-control all these years?
It’s not just the communists who are hostile, but so are their alter-egos, the Congress. In Kerala, the Congress reflects Christian interests, which include the conversion of Western Ghats forest land to privately-owned Christian assets, especially plantations and resorts. There was the instance where the previous Congress chief minister said that he didn’t support a proposed rail link to Sabarimala because it would mean the loss of Christian land for the project!
The actions of the Kerala government after 17 November, when the shrine reopened for the season, have been nothing short of extraordinary. They ordered the police to wear their boots in the Sannidhanam, hitherto a holy area around the sanctum sanctorum; there were startling photos of the police drying their raincoats on a clothesline erected just in front of the sanctum sanctorum. A Section 144 prohibitory order was issued, which forced all pilgrims to vacate the waiting sheds. They hosed down the entire area so that nobody could lay down a sheet and lie down.
Furthermore, in an act that could only have been intended to provoke, there were photographs of policemen standing on the hitherto sacrosanct 18 steps, with their back to the deity, hosing down the surroundings. So far as I know, the only person who had ever been entitled to climb the steps without the traditional irumudi is the officiating tantri. These are startling violations of tradition.
They started arresting pilgrims who had come after all the traditional penances: firebrand Hindu Aikya Vedi leader Sasikala teacher, Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) candidate for MLA Surendran. Many pilgrims were arrested and summarily removed, their sentiments ignored. At least one pilgrim has been reportedly injured when police kicked him. The pilgrims who were merely chanting Ayyappa stuthis were set upon by the police.
On the other hand, a local airport was turned into a sea of khakhi to protect a known rabble-rouser woman who had arrived from Mumbai. There was no question where the government’s sympathies lay. Meanwhile, they are treating pilgrims as criminals and terrorists (a communist minister, with a Christian name, actually called the pilgrims, terrorists).
This has all the signs of a simple agenda: desacralisation of the shrine. The Kerala government is planning to remove all sanctity, violate every rule there, and reduce it to an object no longer of reverence, but of disdain. It is as though they would like to turn the temple into an empty shell, devoid of sacredness, and kill off this religious tradition and pilgrimage. It is like a medieval attack of one religion on another: pious communists want to wipe out Hindus.
That would be quite natural for a communist government to do, but it is also a violation of the fundamental right to worship unmolested. The fact is that there appears to be no appeal against this assault: there is nobody the distressed pilgrims can turn to for help, as the courts are hostile. In these circumstances, it is quite possible that a few agents provocateurs can come into the picture. The idea may be to create a Bluestar-like situation, with violence used as an excuse for physically destroying the shrine using, possibly, military equipment.
I have never seen a religious shrine treated with such contempt as Sabarimala. It is unbelievable in a democratic country. The entire might of the state has been brought to bear against an old temple, with its pious, unarmed, peaceable pilgrims being treated inhumanely. It is clear that the Kerala government will stop at nothing to force the entry of young women into the temple, come what may. Their contempt for the Hindu citizens of Kerala, who are protesting peacefully against unjust laws, much like Gandhi did salt Satyagraha, could not be clearer. The words 'apartheid' and 'pogrom' spring to mind.
Rajeev Srinivasan focuses on strategy and innovation, which he worked on at Bell Labs and in Silicon Valley. He has taught innovation at several IIMs. An IIT Madras and Stanford Business School grad, he has also been a conservative columnist for twenty year
This is abject
Is this the same SP ??? https://t.co/zPs7aEuvArThis SP insulted @PonnaarrBJP, a Union Minister and a politician universally respected by all of us by appearing to imitate Ponnar's english and also asking him if he will take responsibility for traffic blocks.
Clear violation of service rules. https://t.co/YoqMYyBzpH
He beat us! How 7-yr-old stunned Yathish Chandra IPS at rights panel hearing......
https://english.mathrubhumi.com/news/ke ... -1.2154999
WHY? Do these Hizzoners ever actually DO anything?The Kerala High Court today asked the state government to explain why it had imposed restrictions on the Sabarimala shrine and its surrounding areas, and directed the Pathanamthitta district magistrate to produce documents detailing the reasons that prompted such an action.
The High Court also asked the authorities to allow groups of people to enter the Ayyappa temple, and wondered how the police was able to differentiate between protesters and actual devotees. There was nothing wrong in raising the "Swamiye Sharanam Ayyappa" chant, it held.
while hearing three petitions against alleged excesses committed by the police in their attempts to enforce restrictions in the area ever since the temple reopened on November 16. As many as 69 people were arrested for alleged violations on Monday.
while hearing three petitions against alleged excesses committed by the police in their attempts to enforce restrictions in the area ever since the temple reopened on November 16. As many as 69 people were arrested for alleged violations on Monday.
The hearing in the case has been adjourned to next week.
Pon Radhakrishnan had gone to Sabarimala's Nilackal base to offer prayers and assess facilities
Nilackal (Kerala):
The Bharatiya Janata Party wants the Superintendent of Police Yathish Chandra suspended for his alleged rude behaviour with Union Minister of State for Finance and Shipping Pon Radhakrishnan when he came to pay his obeisance at the Sabarimala temple on Wednesday.
Kerala BJP General Secretary AN Radhakrishnan told reporters that they would take up the matter with the State Police chief.
"Yesterday, we all saw the way this person Chandra was standing with folded hands before the Leader of Opposition Ramesh Chennithala and today he was speaking with his sunglasses on and with utmost arrogance (with Pon Radhakrishnan).
"We wish to know if he behaved rudely because our Minister is dark-complexioned, while he and Chennithala are fair and handsome," Mr Radhakrishnan who was present with the Minister, said.
The Minister arrived at the Nilackal base camp to offer prayers and assess the facilities. When Chandra came before him, the Minister asked him why private vehicles were not allowed towards Pamba.
Mr Chandra said that there was a parking problem, but if he (the Minister) gave the orders, it could be done.
But Mr Radhakrishnan said that he could not give any such order.
"Sir, this is the problem. No one is ready to take any responsibilities," said Mr Chandra.
Upon hearing this, the Minister lost his cool and asked Mr Chandra not to 'show off' and he should not forget that he was misbehaving with a Union Minister.
"Chandra behaved with absolute contempt and arrogance and he has got this from Chief Minister Pinarayi Vijayan, who is his boss. But, we are not going to leave him. We will take this indiscipline with both the state government and the Centre," said Mr Radhakrishnan.
When Mr Chandra later said that the Minister's car could proceed to Pamba as he came under the VIP category, Mr Radhakrishnan refused, and instead travelled by the state-owned bus along with other pilgrims.
"I have been here many times but am experiencing something like this for the first time," said the Minister.
The state unit of the BJP is upset with Mr Chandra because BJP General Secretary K Surendran, Hindu Iyakvedi President and senior BJP leader KP Sasikala and others were arrested by a team led by the young police officer last week for breaking the police guidelines at Sabarimala.
Agreed. But this has resulted in people seeing the true status of Hindus in KL and India. Now whenever they see a politico going to Ifthar khana and wears a skull cap or hobnob with Bishops etc they will automatically remember how it was and is for Hindus and how they are treated by the same politicos. From now inwards so called secularism will be under massive and critical examination in the south India like never before..UlanBatori wrote: Unfortunately that will destroy the attention span and interest of most yindoo Faithfools before the really important job of breaking the commie-paki-ej hold on TDB is done. So attention should be on permanent solutions.
If you arrest naxals then it becomes an imp issue. Any delay delays them getting bail.UlanBatori wrote: WHY? Do these Hizzoners ever actually DO anything?
Most likely yes. The "prohibitory order" has done more harm than good. Congress-wallahs have approached the governor, and the state police will have to submit a detailed report in High Court tomorrow.Dileep wrote:The 'prohibitory order' will expire today. I don't think it will be reinstated.
The 69 people who were sent on judicial remand have all been granted bail yesterday (21/11/2018) late evening. The cases would remain, but the men are out on bail. And they were given a heroes' welcome, which was also shared Live on social media. They all now have an image as martyrs for the cause. Again, this became another stick which the commies gave others to get beaten up withUlanBatori wrote:WHY? Do these Hizzoners ever actually DO anything?
If you notice pretty much every political group (other than CPI(M) and the cadre-less CPI) are now pro-Hindu in the case of Sabari Mala. Being political bodies they may *not* be able to take a strong stance against the Supreme Court verdict. But all of them have realised that Hindus and their faith systems cannot be ignored. The Kerala Police is now on a damage control mode on social media trying depserately to prove that they are Ayyappa friendly. And polarisation on religious lines is pretty much complete in Kerala. Non-Hindus support the police actions and officials like Yathish Chandra, while Hindus say that police has been playing a partisan role. IPS Officers Associated themselves feel worried that their integrity is questioned; especially due to religion & casteYagnasri wrote:Agreed. But this has resulted in people seeing the true status of Hindus in KL and India. Now whenever they see a politico going to Ifthar khana and wears a skull cap or hobnob with Bishops etc they will automatically remember how it was and is for Hindus and how they are treated by the same politicos.
So can we assume that GoKL won't be escorting more women in the bracket? Have they realized it can't be done now? Because praying for more devotees means more difficult to escort women.Sachin wrote:Pilgrimage goes on with less foot-fall, and now GoKL and TDB praying for more devotees to come (and give them more money).
Lilly Mary Pinto @LillyMaryPinto Nov 18
This is not Kerala.
#TruptiDesai feels the heat in Pune Airport too.
#SaveSabarimalaTradition
https://twitter.com/LillyMaryPinto/stat ... 5424818182
Standard disclaimer: The pilgrims needs to understand the belief system at Sabari Mala themselves, and plan for eventualities. GoKL has now realised that a near-riot situation is now prevalent in Kerala. As I said vigilante squads are now active on the streets. The CPI(M) also has changed the tactic, that they are not going aggressive in Sabari Mala, but trying to show all this as minor events in the CPI(M)'s attempt to "reform" the state. The CPI(M) is now scouting for Renaissance group to spread the (anti)Sabari Mala message around.Karthik S wrote:So can we assume that GoKL won't be escorting more women in the bracket? Have they realized it can't be done now? Because praying for more devotees means more difficult to escort women.
The 2017 image can be really used for a "spot a cop" contestchetak wrote:The most circulated image on twitter and whatsapp
This ia what #ShariahCollegium wanted. No PIL no SHILL nothing from Hindus. I honestly say Hindus are the weakest dumbos on the planet at large. (Collective Wisdom Speak)#SaveSabarimalaTradition Oh God! This is totally disastrous. 110 Devotees from #Mumbai including Women and Children return back without going #Sabarimala. These Malikappurams come all the way with Vratam only to go back. Curse be on this Pinarayi Government
Part 2 of Video https://t.co/CVgMuxKr6A
Classic.chetak wrote:The most circulated image on twitter and whatsapp
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dsg5QqlWoAAghU3.jpg:large
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/grand-hin ... AxJ1bZ0m2kGrand ‘Hindu Samajotsav’ In Kasaragod: Yogi Adityanath To Give Clarion Call Supporting Sabarimala Devotees
I was surprised that the pilgrims who could not take the darshan just walked away. They did not even consider the wastage of efforts and moneySaiK wrote:This ia what #ShariahCollegium wanted. No PIL no SHILL nothing from Hindus. I honestly say Hindus are the weakest dumbos on the planet at large. (Collective Wisdom Speak)
The district administration & police have found the easy way out. That is blatant mis-use of Sec. 144 Cr.PC. That makes life simpler especially for the police. The GoKL and TDB is any way only interested in donation money.Dileep wrote:The prohibitory order is extended by four days by the clueless collector. Let us see what the HC has to say about it today.
This condescending type of "I feel pity for the Kerala Hindus" has been a thing with BRF poster after poster, over years. Doubtless fed on stories of the preponderance of "secularism" in Kerala. My posit has been that by showing Kerala Hindus are obedient and got subdued by secularism is good PR for the national secularists. "Kerala Model" is an offshoot to explain the HDI etc, which had its really high base thanks to Maharajas who ruled the place, not lefties or secularists.Yagnasri wrote:Agreed. But this has resulted in people seeing the true status of Hindus in KL and India. Now whenever they see a politico going to Ifthar khana and wears a skull cap or hobnob with Bishops etc they will automatically remember how it was and is for Hindus and how they are treated by the same politicos. From now inwards so called secularism will be under massive and critical examination in the south India like never before..
Calling it a 'fight' is bit of a tall claim.hnair wrote:the ayyapas fought and fought well this time
yes, if you meant there was a lack of AK47s and deaths\Karthik S wrote: Calling it a 'fight' is bit of a tall claim.
Not talking about AKs etc. Let me put it this way, what's the end result of the fight? We won or we lost? Try to recall defense and offensive defense talk of Doval. The other side has to get victory just once and then all this 'fight' you mention will mean nothing, even if we have defended 100 times, PV has to sit back and keep trying to get lucky once. Right now it may just be a matter of time before PV gets what he wants. What 'fight' is being taken to him so that he'll think twice thrice before trying his stunts again is what matters?hnair wrote:yes, if you meant there was a lack of AK47s and deaths\Karthik S wrote: Calling it a 'fight' is bit of a tall claim.