Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 06 Oct 2013 22:42

stars are made, and not born. the human kind as well as the you see in the night sky... the only difference is time and matter [what concerns makes them so, for humans].

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 06 Oct 2013 22:52

Modi WILL be a PM. He may not be the PM we all want him to be, but he will start creating a situation conducive for dharmik people to become PMs in the future without compromising on the values.

Even if can do that, he will be a PM 10 times better than ABV. Better to sit in opposition with good numbers than compromise on values and get to power. Because once you compromise, you will keep compromising.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 06 Oct 2013 23:05

What are arrangements by NDA in
Rajasthaan Dec01
Madhya Pradesh Nov25
Chhattisgarh Nov11,19
Mizoram Dec04
Dilli Dec04

Chhattisgarh if I am not mistaken is a little tricky. Family members of slain salwaa judum founder are standing for elections.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 06 Oct 2013 23:07

Nitish is scrambling for cover. He wouldn't be doing that if he didn't view Modi as a major threat. People want development. I expect BJP to do well in UP with 35-40% of vote. He is the PM candidate. I don't think stepping aside is an option.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 07 Oct 2013 00:15

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 07 Oct 2013 12:31

According to Thelugu news channels:
there was an encounter in Chitthoor. About 30 jihadi terrorists were residing in that place from one month. The locality in which they were staying is muslim locality. TN polis was chasing them for killing lotus party workers in TN. Then AP polis also joined and became a joint operation. There was an encounter that started from around 8:00 AM in the morning and continued till afternoon.

Jihadis that were caught alive revealed their plans. One jihadi revealed that they were ones who killed lotus workers in TN. They were the ones who planted bombs in KT opposite lotus party office. And now, their target was Thirupathi(or Thirumala). Right now, there is a Brahmothsava going on in holy Thirumala Shrine of Lord Venkateshwara. These jihadis had plans to do some sinister actions there. Chitthoor is very near Thirupathi.

The jihadi also revealed that they had plans to kill Modi on 18th of this month(or next month, I am not sure).

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In connection with the above news:
There were news reports of a huge stash being recovered by the TN polis in the recent past(some months back). Similarly, they unearthed some jihadi squads that were formed in TN. Also remember the attacks on US embassy in TN in the guise of protest and protest against the Dashavataram movie in TN.

kvjayan · Post by **kvjayan** » 07 Oct 2013 13:14

Vipin_Upadhyay wrote:^^ could be.
In that rally NaMo didn't even praised JJ once or mentioned about anything regarding governance in TN. Something was definitely cooking before rally.

There was a new report (in The New Indian Express, if I remember) quoting TN police that the speakers in the BJP Tiruchi rally were advised not to talk anything against "secularism". That could be the reason there was no mention of the murders of the state BJP functionaries. Anyhow, some of the terrorists involved have now been captured. One has to hope that the Union Home Minister does not send any directive to release the "innocents".

Sridhar K · Post by **Sridhar K** » 07 Oct 2013 13:16

The raid was in puttur on the Chennai Tirupati highway and only 3 were arrested.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 07 Oct 2013 15:03

In the paid-media and left hijacked democracy of India, a welcoming change - PACs (public action committee). This is a good way to get people organized by interest groups and get them endorse candidates. Of course 'Ati Sarvatra Varjayet'

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 614928.cms

India's first PAC

When a number of young professionals were reaching out to Modi's office expressing interest in working with the BJP's prime ministerial candidate, it was Kishor who organised them into what is poised to emerge as India's first effective public action committee (PAC), an instrument that has transformed the US campaign landscape but is yet to take root in India. PACs typically raise funds and campaigns for causes that support a particular candidate's political position, effectively canvassing for them. During the 2012 Presidential campaign in the US, Restore our Future, a PAC backing Republican candidate Mitt Romney spent $12 million in advertising alone.

CAG, a non-profit company, is actively enrolling part-time members, apart from its 60 full-time paid members. The group aims to enroll some five lakh part-time volunteers ahead of 2014 elections. If they succeed, Modi will have a potent youth force on the ground that is independent of the BJP and is functional, unlike the dysfunctional youth wings of mainstream political parties.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 07 Oct 2013 15:04

I want Narendra Modi to make BJP secular, says Jagan Reddy

Read more at: http://ibnlive.in.com/news/i-want-naren ... ef_article

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 07 Oct 2013 15:08

(Ref PAC) If Modi (forms his own Modi Dharmic Dal or something) and stands for elections throughout the country, am wondering how many seats MDD would be able to garner. 200 alone is a good possibility IMO. maybe more.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 07 Oct 2013 15:14

RamaY wrote:I want Narendra Modi to make BJP secular, says Jagan Reddy

Read more at: http://ibnlive.in.com/news/i-want-naren ... ef_article

Is this dude for real. Cause, I thought that the UPA ( Kangreass & its B teams) had the monopoly on Indian secularism.

So why is he so enamored with the idea Modi sekularising BJP?

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 07 Oct 2013 15:17

Shocking but true......
INTERESTING ARTICLE ON OWNERSHIP OF
MEDIA .....ONE MUST READ
Who owns the media in India ?......?
Let us see the ownership of different media

agencies.
NDTV: A very popular TV news media is funded
by Gospels of Charity in Spain Supports
Communism. Recently it has developed a soft
corner towards Pakistan because Pakistan
President has allowed only this channel to be
aired in Pakistan . Indian CEO Prannoy Roy is
co-brother of Prakash Karat, General Secretary
of the Communist party of India . His wife and
Brinda Karat are sisters.
India Today which used to be the only national
weekly which supported BJP is now bought by
NDTV!! Since then the tone has changed
drastically and turned into Hindu bashing.
CNN-IBN: This is 100 percent funded by
Southern Baptist Church with its branches in all
over the world with HQ in US.. The Church
annually allocates $800 million for promotion of
its channel. Its Indian head is Rajdeep Sardesai
and his wife Sagarika Ghosh.
Times group list:
Times Of India, Mid-Day, Nav-Bharth Times,
Stardust, Femina, Vijay Times, Vijaya Karnataka,
Times now (24- hour news channel) and many
more...
Times Group is owned by Bennet & Coleman.
'World Christian Council¢ does 80 percent of the
Funding, and an Englishman and an Italian
equally share balance 20 percent. The Italian
Robertio Mindo is a close relative of Sonia
Gandhi.
Star TV: It is run by an Australian, who is
supported by St. Peters Pontifical Church
Melbourne.
Hindustan Times: Owned by Birla Group, but
hands have changed since Shobana Bhartiya
took over. Presently it is working in
Collaboration with Times Group.
The Hindu: English daily, started over 125 years
has been recently taken over by Joshua Society,
Berne , Switzerland .. N. Ram's wife is a Swiss
national.
Indian Express: Divided into two groups. The
Indian Express and new Indian Express (southern
edition) ACTS Christian Ministries have major
stake in the Indian Express and latter is still with
the Indian counterpart.
Eeenadu: Still to date controlled by an Indian
named Ramoji Rao. Ramoji Rao is connected
with film industry and owns a huge studio in
Andhra Pradesh.
Andhra Jyothi: The Muslim party of Hyderabad
known as MIM along with a Congress Minister
has purchased this Telugu daily very recently.
The Statesman: It is controlled by Communist
Party of India.
Kairali TV: It is controlled by Communist party
of India (Marxist)
Mathrubhoomi: Leaders of Muslim League and
Communist leaders have major investment.
Asian Age and Deccan Chronicle:Is owned by a
Saudi Arabian Company with its chief Editor
M..J. Akbar.
Gujarat riots which took place in 2002 where
Hindus were burnt alive, Rajdeep Sardesai and
Bharkha Dutt working for NDTV at that time got
around 5 Million Dollars from Saudi Arabia to
cover only Muslim victims, which they did very
faithfully... Not a single Hindu family was
interviewed or shown on TV whose near and
dear ones had been burnt alive, it is reported.
Tarun Tejpal of < Tehelka.com regularly gets
blank cheques from Arab countries to target BJP
and Hindus only, it is said.
**** ~~~~~ ****
The ownership explains the control of media in
India by foreigners. The result is obvious.
PONDER OVER THIS. NOW YOU KNOW WHY
EVERY ONE IS AGAINST TRUTH, HOW VERY SAD.
DON'T FORGET TO SHARE, LET THE TRUTH BE
KNOWN TO EVERYONE

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 07 Oct 2013 15:19

Rahul Gandhi vs Narendra Modi: Are they more alike than different?

Read and make up your own minds. From saying every one is equally currupt. To saying Rahul == Modi.

rajithn · Post by **rajithn** » 07 Oct 2013 15:30

Pratyush wrote:Rahul Gandhi vs Narendra Modi: Are they more alike than different?

Read and make up your own minds. From saying every one is equally currupt. To saying Rahul == Modi.

A paid job. Like one of the comments say: "They tried to beat down Modi. They failed. So now they are trying to inflate Raul". These lifafa journals have become so identifiable that FP now doesnt even name them. Just calls them "FP Politics" - as if that provides them with even a fig leaf of cover.

Such a crude attempt to try and do an == ..and you can see within the article the other imbeciles who are attempting to do it.

vinod · Post by **vinod** » 07 Oct 2013 15:38

Muppalla wrote:http://www.scribd.com/doc/124862767/Who ... ia-in-2014

Very detailed analysis of why Modi will not be PM. It will either Sushma or Arun jaitley or Mamata or Salman Kurshid

This is completely wrong reading of a horoscope. She has just looked at one aspect of the whole chart. Modi's chart has many powerful rajyogas. Raj yogas doesn't necessarily mean becoming PM only. It means good position with respect to power.

Interesting thing in his chart is that Guru aspects the 10th(profession) house which makes him dharmic in his actions. Mangal is in powerful maha purusha yoga called ruchaka yoga. Having said that current dasha-apahara(Moon-Rahu) period is not ideal either. Moreover, sadesaathi is going on. Having said, that it gets aspected by 10th Lord, sun and a powerful Mercury. So, as a hobbyist astrologer, I think he has good chance to make it especially from July onwards. And october-14 onwards antar-dasha of Guru, things really get going for him very well. Sani's antar-dasha then follows and also then Budh's. All powerful players in his chart.

What ever happens, Modi will be a having power. No doubt about that.

So let us wait and see.

Edited: to remove wrong a wrong aspect mentioned.

niran · Post by **niran** » 07 Oct 2013 16:14

vinod wrote: What ever happens, Modi will be a having power. No doubt about that.

So let us wait and see.

moreover NaMo Shani is in Tula that gives him power to lord over karmcharese i.e. huge number of employees
since NaMo do not have bizniss hence sarkari employees are the one which comes to mind.

in comparison to Rahul gandhy and Surparnakha Ghandhy, Saint Antony, Mired comari, baba sibal, niku, the yadav duo
and jugmohan ready, NaMo is Raja Bhoj and the rest Gangu teli that is the rest are pedestrian.

NB, moi personally believe in making me own destiny same way Ravan made his to become the richest ruler of his era.

arminius · Post by **arminius** » 07 Oct 2013 16:37

As they say in the land of teutonic knights:
Hier geht's wieder los!
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/cbi-t ... te=classic

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 07 Oct 2013 16:50

Ok Ishrat was an innocent collage girl. So what, was she doing in Gujarat. Was she present because she had been abducted, and taken against her will, by the people she was with.

Or was she in Gujarat, because, she was an accomplice of the people she was with.

The circumstances of her presence in Gujarat, needs to be explored and answered by the CBI, before, the guilt or innocence of Ishrat is conclucively answered.

Only then, can the guilt or innocence of the police men accused of murder be arrived at. Secondly, does it prove, that Modi, personally said go ahead and kill these people.

This is getting ridiculous beyond measure.

PS, if this is not an open incitement to murder Modi, then I don't know what is.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 07 Oct 2013 16:57

Why does CBI still make the news as if it has have any credibility left hain ji?
Upto the 90s and late 2000s CBI was projected in the public consciousness as some god sent newtral arbiter of a Neta's fortunes on behalf of the Indian public when ever a neta was caught in the headlights doing chichi things.

Every other state opposition leaders standard clamor would be to bring in a CBI investigation on every major incident or on the allegations of corruption on incumbent CM. Even those firmly in the non congress camp like BJP and TDP used to do this with abandon.
Even crimes meriting a state headed CID probe would often get thrown into the laps of "efficient and newtral" CBI on behest of the clamoring politicos.And CID depts used to get treated like s.hit in comparison in contrast to the CBI in paid media and especially movies.

Compare this past with the current state...
The defacto leader of opposition has poohpoohed CBI to be just a caged parrot innumerable times publicly. Again called it a congi lap dog or attack dog (paraphrasing here) depending on the purpose again publicly.

Fact as it stands is that CBI has zero credibility now.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 07 Oct 2013 17:00

Pratyush wrote:
RamaY wrote:I want Narendra Modi to make BJP secular, says Jagan Reddy

Read more at: http://ibnlive.in.com/news/i-want-naren ... ef_article
Is this dude for real. Cause, I thought that the UPA ( Kangreass & its B teams) had the monopoly on Indian secularism.

So why is he so enamored with the idea Modi sekularising BJP?

Saar, he is an EJ. This is what they do. Convert people. He thinks he can convert NaMo to the religion of sekoolarism.

Virendra · Post by **Virendra** » 07 Oct 2013 17:31

Pratyush wrote:
RamaY wrote:I want Narendra Modi to make BJP secular, says Jagan Reddy

Read more at: http://ibnlive.in.com/news/i-want-naren ... ef_article
Is this dude for real. Cause, I thought that the UPA ( Kangreass & its B teams) had the monopoly on Indian secularism.

So why is he so enamored with the idea Modi sekularising BJP?

He is positioning himself to an intriguiging pre-poll neutrality vis a vis Congress and BJP.
By this statement he is also canvassing himself as someone with a high ground against Modi, in asking something of him.
He has setup a condition. Now after polls, the number seats in UPA versus NDA will decide whether his condition was fulfilled or not. He can pronounce his conclusion on Modi secularization and accordingly jump on one of the boats.

Regards,
Virendra

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 07 Oct 2013 18:23

I think he is just playing a game to "appear" neutral and hence not a Congress-B team.

By asking NM to make BJP more "secular" he is trying to be smart and half. If BJP becomes any more "secular" than it is now BJP itself will become Congress B-team (which it appeared to be under D4).

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 07 Oct 2013 18:26

I think NaMo should ban the word Secular!!!! all are one!
merit based society

yeh brahman, shudra, musalmaan, esai stuffs are subject to community based living onlee.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 07 Oct 2013 18:28

@vinod_sharma: 3) When he made himself MEA, I had tweeted that Khurshid had a clear, hidden agenda in mind. Never struck me that a "coup" was being planned

@vinod_sharma: 2) Am now convinced that Rahul's "complete nonsense" drama was to force MMS to resign (as Baru suggested) so that Khurshid could be made PM

@vinod_sharma: 1) There was a buzz--had tweeted about it--that Sonia had planned to make Khurshid PM on his return from New York.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 07 Oct 2013 18:32

Virendra wrote: He is positioning himself to an intriguiging pre-poll neutrality vis a vis Congress and BJP.
By this statement he is also canvassing himself as someone with a high ground against Modi, in asking something of him.
He has setup a condition. Now after polls, the number seats in UPA versus NDA will decide whether his condition was fulfilled or not. He can pronounce his conclusion on Modi secularization and accordingly jump on one of the boats.

Regards,
Virendra

Virendra-ji,
My own reading of the situation is that he is just trying to position himself at a distance from the Congress to avoid being seen as a Congress proxy. He is taking a lot of heat because he is being seen as someone who is hand in glove with the Congress, and his bail was due to a deal with the Congress to stop Modi and Naidu. Hence all these insincere overtures to the BJP - to pretend that he is not a Congress chamcha. He has no intention of getting into an alliance with the BJP. He is trying to shake off the image that there is a deal between him and the Congress

After polls, however, all bets are off. If BJP forms a government at the Centre, he may just jump into bed with them, if it suits him. He needs a protector at the Centre to protect his criminal empire. If the BJP looks likely to destroy it, he will try to woo them. I do not think anymore needs to read into the matter.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 07 Oct 2013 18:55

nageshks wrote:Virendra-ji,
My own reading of the situation is that he is just trying to position himself at a distance from the Congress to avoid being seen as a Congress proxy. He is taking a lot of heat because he is being seen as someone who is hand in glove with the Congress, and his bail was due to a deal with the Congress to stop Modi and Naidu. Hence all these insincere overtures to the BJP - to pretend that he is not a Congress chamcha. He has no intention of getting into an alliance with the BJP. He is trying to shake off the image that there is a deal between him and the Congress

After polls, however, all bets are off. If BJP forms a government at the Centre, he may just jump into bed with them, if it suits him. He needs a protector at the Centre to protect his criminal empire. If the BJP looks likely to destroy it, he will try to woo them. I do not think anymore needs to read into the matter.

you are on dot. No one will even believe him. The Reddy bros, and also those arrested in the cases that implicated him are all yet to get the bail but just this junkie got. Trust deficit is very low. His sys carries bible and goes to folks. She and her mom were asked to do public promise by putting hand on bible and tell that after polls they will not join congress. They did not do that when asked. I don't think people will trust this fellow.

However, he has core votes in the form of Reddys+SCs+other fringe Christians and that will be his sure shot votes. Rest depends seat by seat candidates and money that he wields.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 07 Oct 2013 19:07

This jagan seems like a very dangerous fellow. Much much shrewder than other adversaries of Modi. Right now Modi is so much liked by the masses that any leader speaking against Modi enters in 'hated slot' part of peoples mind. By making 'not spiteful' remarks in Modi's context he is making a goody image of himself.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 07 Oct 2013 19:13

Muppalla wrote: However, he has core votes in the form of Reddys+SCs+other fringe Christians and that will be his sure shot votes. Rest depends seat by seat candidates and money that he wields.

The Congress also had a lot of the Reddy vote. Already we had Sambasiva Rao say he wants to join hands with the BJP (not sure if he meant it in earnest). My gut feeling is that these guys are all waiting to see what happens in the coming Assembly polls. If the BJP wins all states (except Mizoram, where BJP has minimal presence), then we will see a large scale defection from the Congress, particularly in Andhra, into the BJP. The BJP may end up with a substantial amount of Congressmen in SeemaAndhra.

Let us see what the Congress does with respect to Telangana. I have a feeling that the Congress does not have the guts to go ahead with the division without a resolution from the Assembly (and particularly, if the BJP, buoyed by the Assembly poll results, insists on getting a resolution from the Assembly). Even in their pro-Telangana Cabinet resolution, they have promised nothing except a GoM who should give their opinion (what is new about that?) about how the state is to be divided. In its typical flip-flop fashion, I won't be surprised if the Congress does not go ahead with the division at all.

My question to the Andhra folks here is - if a substantial segment of the Congress breaks away from the Congress in the wake of the Telangana question and joins BJP (as Sambasiva Rao was proposing), then can the BJP wean away the Reddy vote bank of the Congress and/or Jagan? Or is it doomed to go with Jagan?

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 07 Oct 2013 19:43

Jagan may get info about these from Con race establishment no?

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 07 Oct 2013 19:51

Jagan will have to be beaten by internal-R fighting. not much else can be done now. I see this guy as turning into a long-term nightmare.

and he's only 41 yet. long time to remain healthy.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 07 Oct 2013 19:53

Rayapati will not join BJP. nor any of the prominent faces of Kosta. they will be crushed if they do. they won't touch BJP with a barge pole.

they have to be sufficiently reassured that BJP has the grassroots power to protect them.

Ashok Sarraff · Post by **Ashok Sarraff** » 07 Oct 2013 20:09

I just spoke with an agent from AP (a neutral observer, not a khaki, pink, or lal chaddi wala) and below are his views (TIFWIW):

1. People are fed-up with Congress in both Telangana and Seema, not only because of the bifurcation mess but also because of rising prices and all the scams
2. Telangana people also know that TRS is corrupt to the core, and may throw them away like a paki condom after the bifurcation
3. There are some constituencies in Seema where Congress will win because of local congress leadership irrespective of any other factor
4. People are aware of Jagan's antics and corruption too and they do not trust him at all
5. A new powerful front (non Jagan, non-Congress, non-TDP) in Seema may emerge with time
6. CBN is not all that hated in Telangana because it was he who initially prompted the bifurcation idea
7. Telangana people remember that BJP supports the division
8. TDP is likely to emerge stronger in both Seema and Telangana because of the above. His estimate is that CBN will win 40% of the seats.
9. Modi is highly respected and liked all over AP, and in a direct contest between Modi and Rahul, he is likely to emerge as a clear winner (I guess that's how BJP should frame the next election)
10. CBN+Modi is likely to result in more than 50% seats going in their kitty in both regions
11. Seema agitation will ultimately fizzle-out in a month or so and the division will be firmed-up on the ground. People have already accepted the idea in their mind and are now thinking about the next step.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 07 Oct 2013 20:21

CBN+BJP will work and there got to be soothing from them for SeemaAndhra folks. Sonia is trying to avoid that by just declaring T one day, note another day without even telling what the new capital of SA and what is the revenue share. "It is like you bloody suckers vote for Jagan and Naidu let me teach a lesson to you". She is ensuring that SA folks will not settle anything less than United AP and they will not negotiate a middle path to avoid rise of NaMo in that region. She very well know that the trade/biz class can just go with NaMo and also win seats there. Cadre and all is junk as it moves with the local satraps.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Oct 2013 20:35

AP problem is both national parties for whatever reason want to split the state. Usually when one NP proposes the other would try to oppose it. However due to the dynamics both are for splitting the state. If BJP is assured of getting more seats in other states they might take a different course of action. But its marginal everywhere thanks to the powers that be. Even winnable states are being out in the doubtful columns.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 07 Oct 2013 20:50

I don't understand the rage in Telanga split.. but i understand the issue that it might cause for residents in terms of facilities, utilities and infrastructure plan.. this should be first things that should be nailed down like how they want to distribute godavari water or hows of other infrastructure or joint cities formalities, and who holds rights, etc..

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 07 Oct 2013 21:27

Godhra: Sifting Fact from Fiction : MUST READ-Nicole Elfi

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 07 Oct 2013 21:58

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 07 Oct 2013 22:09

Guy is no more (died of lever failure). Modi spoke to his father. One of the most active supporters of Modi on twitter.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 07 Oct 2013 22:15

Sushupti wrote:

Guy is no more (died of lever failure). Modi spoke to his father. One of the most active supporters of Modi on twitter.

I had no idea.