Telangana Monitor

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 07 Jan 2010 15:51

Oh btw, all the stuff I proposed requires a compromise: Tam chauvinists need to agree on a two-language == formula with Telugu for North TN and parts of Rayalaseema, Mallu chauvinists need to agree on == with Tam, Kannada chauvinists need to agree on == with Telugu, Nepali chauvinists need to agree on == with Bengali, Sikkimese and English. Remember the huge and wide Assam province broke into Mizoram, Meghalaya and Nagaland because of lack of == between Assamese, Nagamese, Duhlian (which itself was a compromise between non-Lushais (who called themselves the Mizos) and the Lushais), Garo and Kokborok. And the Kokborok have nuff takleef with Bengali usurpation as the Assamese have with Bengali while at the same time the Assamese peddle the same bullshite to the Garos, Lushais, Tripuris, etc.

Linguistic bullshite is the same as caste bullshite, one caste whines about takleef wrt another caste and at the same time treating many other castes "below" it as complete shite. Kill it completely, and once and for all. Reorganize the damn system, wholesale. One stone n birds. Bring it on, only folks who cant see the forest for the woods will do this ululation as this thread has seen... Call PC and sonia mata to send a second SRC, and dont pester them if they suggest something useful, like in 1953.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 07 Jan 2010 18:00

ramana wrote:UT or Central adminstration of Hyd will be a Central fraud on Telugu people.

100% Agreed.

Remember the story when a devotee asks the God to give him twice what neighbor is getting and the neighbor asks the God to take away one of his eyes so that the other guy loses both his eyes.

It should be a part of Telangana and we can come up with a compromise that will satisfy all people.

SandeepA · Post by **SandeepA** » 07 Jan 2010 18:33

The problem for Hyderabad in Telangana will be that it will very easily become the Naxal capital of India. This will be the largest city in the Maoist dagger running thru the country and will begin to look like a monster version of Warangal. One reason why the Maoists are so active in the agitation. With the flight of capital from Costa and Seema the city will lose its momentum of growth. If we add the Muslim component to this concoction then its a perfect recipe for disaster.

As a centrally governed UT Hyderabad has a chance to leverage on it strengths and still continue to be a magnet and beacon for Telangana and Andhra. The flight of capital from Costa/Seema will be very limited. Ofcourse there will be birth pangs but in a divided AP this is the only hope for Hyderabad. New capitals for both Telangana and Andhra can happen in a less hurried fashion.

Also talking of a 2nd SRC, the big cities of Mumbai, Kolkata, Chennai, Bengaluru, Ahmedabad are way to big to continue being state capitals. These must become UTs and smaller cities made capitals of the region. The ideal solution will be Mega cities becoming UTs and states being small not much bigger than Orissa. Each culture and sub-culture is precious and deserves preserving. I would as much hate to see the cultural contiguity of Kannada-Telugu-Marathi (discusssed in another thread) being lost as I would hate to see the Tuluva subculture in coastal Karnataka being lost. The best compromise will be small states working together while not entirely killing the inter-regional bonds that make India what it is.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 07 Jan 2010 18:52

Stan_Savljevic wrote:Oh btw, all the stuff I proposed requires a compromise: Tam chauvinists need to agree on a two-language == formula with Telugu for North TN and parts of Rayalaseema, Mallu chauvinists need to agree on == with Tam, Kannada chauvinists need to agree on == with Telugu, Nepali chauvinists need to agree on == with Bengali, Sikkimese and English. Remember the huge and wide Assam province broke into Mizoram, Meghalaya and Nagaland because of lack of == between Assamese, Nagamese, Duhlian (which itself was a compromise between non-Lushais (who called themselves the Mizos) and the Lushais), Garo and Kokborok. And the Kokborok have nuff takleef with Bengali usurpation as the Assamese have with Bengali while at the same time the Assamese peddle the same bullshite to the Garos, Lushais, Tripuris, etc.

Linguistic bullshite is the same as caste bullshite, one caste whines about takleef wrt another caste and at the same time treating many other castes "below" it as complete shite. Kill it completely, and once and for all. Reorganize the damn system, wholesale. One stone n birds. Bring it on, only folks who cant see the forest for the woods will do this ululation as this thread has seen... Call PC and sonia mata to send a second SRC, and dont pester them if they suggest something useful, like in 1953.

Very good ideas... I like it...

But this will be dream scenario for Mini-Bal Thackreys. Have you every visited Belgaum? The Marathis and Kannadigas fights...

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 07 Jan 2010 19:44

Frinds let us cut this divisions and discussions on how many states can be cut and in what way. It is never going to happen. Congress is cursing itself for this Telangana mess. They are not going to agree for any Second SHC or any more states.

Development has noting to do with state size etc. It is all how good your leaders, how honest they are, how capable they are, what is quality of people at large etc Nothing else. See Japan what they got other then great people.

yvijay · Post by **yvijay** » 07 Jan 2010 19:52

SandeepA wrote:The problem for Hyderabad in Telangana will be that it will very easily become the Naxal capital of India. This will be the largest city in the Maoist dagger running thru the country and will begin to look like a monster version of Warangal. One reason why the Maoists are so active in the agitation. With the flight of capital from Costa and Seema the city will lose its momentum of growth. If we add the Muslim component to this concoction then its a perfect recipe for disaster.

This is utter BS. Naxals were mostly eliminated from N.Telangana at the start of this decade and they set up their in Nallamalla forests. After the continuous operations of last five years they have now shifted to Dandakarunyaregion in the Andhra-Orissa border. Also, they don’t have the support they used to enjoy in the yester years, which is key to their success. Also, it is utterly laughable that Hyderabad would become poor if separate telangana state is formed. Leaving aside that, cities has never been the forte of Naxals. They always thrived in villages and jungles. Their ideologues may be in cities but the cadre was never in cities.

ravit · Post by **ravit** » 07 Jan 2010 20:51

Rahul Mehta wrote conspiracy theory about YS death and petrol/Reliance in this tread sometime back. I am seeing discussion about "Reliance and YS" in TV5 new channel now. They are saying some Russian journalist in America wrote this in a news channel. The news item is blocked in India. This might turn into another controversy in AP now. AP is seeing one problem after another in last 6 months, and the list seems never-ending.

Already, looks like, people started smashing furniture in Reliance showroom hyd.

http://exiledonline.com/enemy-of-larry- ... nt-page-1/

edit: made it less controversial JIC

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 07 Jan 2010 21:10

ravit wrote:Rahul Mehta stared(?) conspiracy theory about YS death and petrol/Reliance in this tread sometime back. It came a full circle now. I am seeing discussion about "Reliance and YS" in TV5 new channel now. They are saying some Russian journalist in America wrote this in a news channel. The news item is blocked in India. This might turn into another controversy in AP now. AP is seeing one problem after another in last 6 months, and the list seems never-ending.

Already, looks like, people started smashing furniture in Reliance showroom hyd.

http://exiledonline.com/enemy-of-larry- ... nt-page-1/

Can't access that site.

http://greatandhra.com/ganews/viewnews. ... 15&scat=16

Reliance showrooms in Vijayawada were shut down in the evening today as the news regarding YSR’s alleged assignation in the hands of Ambanis has come out. Tight security was placed even in Bangalore based Reliance showrooms as the news is boiling the blood of YSR supporters and also the people on general.

A lady talking to the TV channel wept loudly and said, ‘We will take all sorts of revenge on the assassins of YSR if the names come out with full details and proofs”.

TV5 channel stopped taking further opinions from people as it’s igniting killing instincts among the people.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 07 Jan 2010 21:14

Hats off to RMji if this is true....
http://greatandhra.com/ganews/viewnews. ... 15&scat=16

Now the opinions among people are coming out in various facets.

YSR was died in chopper crash on Sep 2nd and Sonia placed a weak Chief Minister Rosiah in the chair. Although his inefficiency was brought to her notice in several ways, she didn’t heed at all. And this has given KCR some hope to ignite his movement. He was encouraged by Sonia and Co with their spineless actions. The turmoil became big and finally YSR started waning out from the memories of public. But all of a sudden Mareppa made some statements and TV5 took attention. The culprits will be punished by people in brutal way before law does that”, says Mohana Rao, a banker.

A school teacher said, “It’s pity but sounding like detective novel. Had the involvement of Ambanis is proven, Reliance hardly sees its place in Andhra Pradesh”.

“It’s a master plan of ‘big hand’ to divert people’s attention with Telangana issue. I feel that. Praful Patel said that he will bring out report on YSR’s death in the last week of November. The culprits must have got alerted and diverted the issue encouraging Telangana turmoil in Nov-Dec 2009 by manipulating CBI. They thought public memory is short. But media is there to awaken every minute”, says Ranganath, a cab driver.

The state is now burning hot with these new found suspicions and Reliance offices are getting closed down much before stipulated time from Thursday. We have to see if they will be opened tomorrow.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Jan 2010 21:52

Narayana Rao garu, The goal is to ensure no more re-org to suit political expediency under any rubiric. INC lamenting now woudlnt have happened at all if they didnt light the fuze to suit their political needs.

All those cities, since Independence grew due to their regional capital accumulation and now to take them away as UT will strip the regions of revenue. And even more subject o whims and vagaries of Central leadership for dole. Their is still mis-conceptions of the small states dogma.

BTW, when I tried to keep the YSR death thread around I was roundly criticised and it got trolled and ultimately locked.

anuj · Post by **anuj** » 07 Jan 2010 23:03

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What does the mysterious helicopter crash that killed one of India’s most popular politicians have to do with White House economic czar Larry Summers? Read on…

First, the crash: one of India’s most popular politicians, who heads the state of Andhra Pradesh, just died in a mysterious helicopter crash. What’s eerie is that the dead politician recently went public attacking India’s most powerful oligarch family, the Ambanis, threatening to take away their giant offshore gas concessions. Meanwhile the Ambani brothers, Mukesh (the world’s 7th richest man) and Anil (the world’s 34 richest) are battling each other in a blood feud that’s taking the whole country down with them–that’s not a hornet’s nest you’d want to stick your fingers into, even if you’re the governor of a huge Indian province. The Ambani brothers’ feud peaked in May when Anil’s helicopter was found to have been sabotaged just before takeoff (read about it here). Anil strongly hinted he suspected Mukesh, but no one will ever know who did it, because the mechanic who discovered the dirt and gravel in Anil Ambani’s helicopter gear box was hit by a train two days later in what was initially ruled as a “suicide,” but which later was ruled murder.

So why would an Ambani have anything to do with the mysterious helicopter crash of Andhra Pradesh’s Chief Minister Y.S. Rajasekhara Reddy? Just speculatin’ on a hypothesis, as the police chief says in Miller’s Crossing, and here’s why:

Just over a month ago, as the Ambani brothers’ insane internecine war over offshore gas deposits dragged on with no end in sight, Reddy publicly demanded that his state, Andhra Pradesh, take a share of the gas deposits for itself:

Even as the two Ambani brothers are locked in a legal battle over supply and price of gas from the Krishna-Godavari basin, the Andhra Pradesh government has sought its “due share” of the hydrocarbon asset.
He even attacked the brothers’ mother, who brokered the deal dividing up India’s gas between her feuding sons:

Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister Y S Rajasekhara Reddy on Sunday said that the settlement of the gas dispute between the Ambani brothers could not be left to their mother Kokilaben and the Centre must play a decisive role, for which he has written to the Prime Minister.

“The dispute over sharing of gas is not an issue to be settled by (the) mother (Kokilaben). It is for the government to decide who should get the gas and also at what price,” Reddy said on the sidelines of a function here.
Ah, Y.S., you shouldn’ta attacked their mother. Next thing you know…Reddy’s deady.

Oh, and by the way, don’t forget this one little fun-fact: Larry Summers, the guy appointed by Obama to run America’s economy, worked for Mukesh Ambani right up until he took his White House job. We’re in good hands, folks.

The Main Attraction - Distraction
Just one of many cards from AP congress to distract AP from telangana. Remember the clinton-
levinsky scandal? Whole america was talking about the affair. Why did they distract the crowd? What was happening behind the gossips?

Take a look here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruise_mis ... st_1998%29

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 07 Jan 2010 23:08

http://mavenme.wordpress.com/

As usual came back from office and tuned to the news channels. Shocked to know my expection becoming reality about ysr’s death.
They are conducting the program on this assassination based on the post given on “exiledonline.com” interestingly has been shutdown with in the minutes. Out of my curiosity started googling and tried website and could not worked out. finally i got one website which has the copy of the content except the visuals and thought of posting it here.

Enemy Of Larry Summers’ Ex-Boss Dies In Mysterious Helicopter Crash
By Mark Ames

India Helicopter

What does the mysterious helicopter crash that killed one of India’s most popular politicians have to do with White House economic czar Larry Summers? Read on…

First, the crash: one of India’s most popular politicians, who heads the state of Andhra Pradesh, just died in a mysterious helicopter crash. What’s eerie is that the dead politician recently went public attacking India’s most powerful oligarch family, the Ambanis, threatening to take away their giant offshore gas concessions. Meanwhile the Ambani brothers, Mukesh (the world’s 7th richest man) and Anil (the world’s 34 richest) are battling each other in a blood feud that’s taking the whole country down with them–that’s not a hornet’s nest you’d want to stick your fingers into, even if you’re the governor of a huge Indian province. The Ambani brothers’ feud peaked in May when Anil’s helicopter was found to have been sabotaged just before takeoff (read about it here). Anil strongly hinted he suspected Mukesh, but no one will ever know who did it, because the mechanic who discovered the dirt and gravel in Anil Ambani’s helicopter gear box was hit by a train two days later in what was initially ruled as a “suicide,” but which later was ruled murder.

Just over a month ago, as the Ambani brothers’ insane internecine war over offshore gas deposits dragged on with no end in sight, Reddy publicly demanded that his state, Andhra Pradesh, take a share of the gas deposits for itself:

Don't understand. Is Larry Summer's ex-boss Ambani?

After watching the TV5’s angle there are lot of doubts raised not sure will we get to know real truth probably in life time.

Consolidating the doubts raised in the show
1. How come all the passengers except bhatia were blasted?
2. interstingly/irony two sons of bhatia are working in reliance?
3. what happened to black box ?
e.t.c lot lot questions

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 07 Jan 2010 23:13

Congress Politicians

- RTC raised buses' fares by 80%. People forgot Telengana and started protesting on RTC fare hikes. Government came and reduced fares.

- Now it is YSR death (no-reports yet on the causes, Reliance, possible KCR/TRS link to reliance) for protests.

AP people gave them power, Congress politicians are returning what they can usually

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 07 Jan 2010 23:15

the relevant post:

Rahul Mehta wrote:Folks,

What time it is?

Time to manufacture a few CTs (Conspiracy Theories)

1. Ever since anti-defection law came, CMs have become demi-Gods and MLAs have become peons. Now in past, a leader with 10-20 MLAs as his slaves was able to collect cash from CM. But these days, CM pays no money to such guys as he cant do much damage. So these sartaps see separate State as only way to collect cash from Govt business.

2. In AP, YSR wanted huge cash for oil which is extracted by Rockefellerjee (well, technically, it is Mukeshjee ; but Mukeshjee is Rockefellerjee's agent only and I want to skip the unimportant details). Now smaller a state, easier it would be to control CM and convince him to accept less bribe as well as less official royalty. So Rockefellerjee badly needs AP to split

3. You all might want to consider the possibility that YSR was accidented by Rockefellerjee because YSR would not have accepted trifurcation of AP. And now that YSR is accidented, it is easier to split AP and settle oil royalties issue.

If oil can kill 500,000 in Iraq, oil can surely cause a few events in AP. So please do consider these crude but oily CTs and pass them on. It is our duty to spread the truth, and it is our duty to spread CTs when no one knows the truth. Because out of 100 CTs we decide to spread, one of them could be true though we will never know which one.

===

Folks,

I have proposed a LAW that can reduce the fire in AP. I request you all to do the same.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 07 Jan 2010 23:16

^^^^ Good one Rahul Mehta.
Did not realize that folks knew abt Mukesh and Rockefeller connection

Mr. Mukesh Ambani, Chairman and Managing Director, Reliance Industries Limited has been awarded the prestigious Asia Society Leadership Award, by the Asia Society, Washington D.C., USA.
http://www.southasianoutlook.com/issues ... r_usa.html

use the term 'robber baron' advisedly. Ambani – along with a few others such as Laxmi Mittal and Vijay Mallya – shares more in common with Rockefeller, Carnegie, Vanderbilt and the like than most Indian industrialists with whom I've talked. All these individuals became immensely wealthy through a particularly vicious sort of monopoly capitalism, particularly in the extraction and conversion of rentier commodities, combined with a fairly elevated form of corruption that involves having politicians and bureaucrats making homes in their backpockets.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/print1.asp?id=125893

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 07 Jan 2010 23:18

http://www.alternet.org/politics/142209 ... age=entire
Meet Larry Summers’s Ex-Boss, a Billionaire with a Blood Feud

I’d like to kick this series off with India’s top oligarch, Mukesh Ambani, the only foreign boss who paid Summers to work for him in 2008 -- and by “work,” I mean “you agree to be listed on my board of international advisors, which requires nothing from you, and in return I’ll give you $187,000.” Two years ago, Larry’s ex-boss Mukesh was the World’s Richest Man, worth $63.2 billion -- but since the meltdown, the Reliance Industry chief’s wealth has fallen to a mere $19.5 billion, dropping him to #7 of Forbes’ list.

Mukesh and Anil have been at each other’s throats ever since their father–who built Reliance up from scratch -- died in 2002 without leaving a will. The two brothers immediately went to war over who controlled the company, Reliance, forcing their mother to intervene and broker a deal in 2005 carving up the assets into two separate Reliance empires. Mukesh, the older brother, got control of the petrochemicals part of the business, Reliance Industries. Anil got control of the telecoms and power-generation part of daddy’s business–Reliance Communications and Reliance Power.

You’d think they’d be happy with what they had, but then you don’t know Larry Summers’ ex-boss very well: The two have been conspiring to destroy each other ever since their daddy died, and it just keeps getting worse. Three years ago, when Anil was about to close a $50 billion buyout of the largest telecom firm in Africa and make his Reliance Communications one of the world’s largest, older brother Mukesh stepped in, invoked a right-of-refusal clause from the agreement they’d cut with their mommie, and killed the deal. See, Mukesh claims he’s the one who really started Reliance’s telecom business, and the thought that Anil might turn it into the next AT&T was something Mukesh could not countenance. So Larry’s ex-boss killed the deal, and another Indian oligarch swooped in and bought it instead.

The mutually-assured destruction between the brothers hasn’t stopped there. Mukesh is being accused now of going back on a deal whereby the billions of untapped gas reserves he owns aren’t being sold to Anil’s power-generating business, because Mukesh wants a better price, and Anil refuses to pay that price. While India waits for Larry Summers’ ex-boss to stop ****** with his younger brother, India suffers power outages, and the country’s investment reputation is suffering.

KSKumar · Post by **KSKumar** » 07 Jan 2010 23:50

ramana wrote:
BTW, when I tried to keep the YSR death thread around I was roundly criticised and it got trolled and ultimately locked.

Really Ramana, presumably I am the troll that you are referring to. This troll was the only one to present any facts (in fact, only one fact disproving all the "why did the Central Govt. go into a panic. They even recalled S.M. Krishna from some great event in Brazil" type of bullshit).

The rest of the post is not addressed to you specifically.

Offshore Natural Resources drilled/mined are not eligible for Royalty payments for any State. Royalties are payable only for resources extracted from the land area of a specific State.

Offshore Resources are controlled by the Union Govt.

YSR was demanding a share of Gas and disputing the Gas Price demanded by Reliance. The Gas Price was fixed and YSR accepted it in good grace.

Why the devil would Mukesh Amabani then kill YSR?

Please, let's not descend to the level of TV5 and insult our own intelligence by even mentioning this.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 07 Jan 2010 23:52

The article that has driven the rioting in Andhra

http://www.decodedstuff.com/the-exile-n ... ter-crash/

What does the mysterious helicopter crash that killed one of India’s most popular politicians have to do with White House economic czar Larry Summers? Read on…

First, the crash: one of India’s most popular politicians, who heads the state of Andhra Pradesh, just died in a mysterious helicopter crash.

What’s eerie is that the dead politician recently went public attacking India’s most powerful oligarch family, the Ambanis, threatening to take away their giant offshore gas concessions.

Meanwhile the Ambani brothers, Mukesh (the world’s 7th richest man) and Anil (the world’s 34 richest) are battling each other in a blood feud that’s taking the whole country down with them–that’s not a hornet’s nest you’d want to stick your fingers into, even if you’re the governor of a huge Indian province.

The Ambani brothers’ feud peaked in May when Anil’s helicopter was found to have been sabotaged just before takeoff . Anil strongly hinted he suspected Mukesh, but no one will ever know who did it, because the mechanic who discovered the dirt and gravel in Anil Ambani’s helicopter gear box was hit by a train two days later in what was initially ruled as a “suicide,” but which later was ruled murder.

So why would an Ambani have anything to do with the mysterious helicopter crash of Andhra Pradesh’s Chief Minister Y.S. Rajasekhara Reddy?

Just speculatin’ on a hypothesis, as the police chief says in Miller’s Crossing, and here’s why:

Just over a month ago, as the Ambani brothers’ insane internecine war over offshore gas deposits dragged on with no end in sight, Reddy publicly demanded that his state, Andhra Pradesh, take a share of the gas deposits for itself:

Even as the two Ambani brothers are locked in a legal battle over supply and price of gas from the Krishna-Godavari basin, the Andhra Pradesh government has sought its “due share” of the hydrocarbon asset.

He even attacked the brothers’ mother, who brokered the deal dividing up India’s gas between her feuding sons:

Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister Y S Rajasekhara Reddy on Sunday said that the settlement of the gas dispute between the Ambani brothers could not be left to their mother Kokilaben and the Centre must play a decisive role, for which he has written to the Prime Minister.

“The dispute over sharing of gas is not an issue to be settled by (the) mother (Kokilaben). It is for the government to decide who should get the gas and also at what price,” Reddy said on the sidelines of a function here.

Ah, Y.S., you shouldn’ta attacked their mother. Next thing you know…Reddy’s deady.

Oh, and by the way, don’t forget this one little fun-fact: Larry Summers, the guy appointed by Obama to run America’s economy, worked for Mukesh Ambani right up until he took his White House job. We’re in good hands, folks

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 08 Jan 2010 00:00

Andhra is probably crucial for geopolitical reasons. So much action there for last 10 years
- Mass evangelization
- Naxals
- Resource allocation issues etc

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 08 Jan 2010 00:06

Jarita wrote:Andhra is probably crucial for geopolitical reasons. So much action there for last 10 years
- Mass evangelization
- Naxals
- Resource allocation issues etc

It is also Rice bowl of south India and Telugu is also an important link languages in the south. It is also the historic Vijayanagar empire which is the glory for the entire India and a model even for the modern times.

SandeepA · Post by **SandeepA** » 08 Jan 2010 00:06

A naive question..

Was the KG Gas an offshore find?

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 08 Jan 2010 00:10

Tirupati might be the target...3 months back it overtook Vatican City in riches...thats my CT

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 08 Jan 2010 00:12

ShyamSP wrote:Congress Politicians

- RTC raised buses' fares by 80%. People forgot Telengana and started protesting on RTC fare hikes. Government came and reduced fares.

- Now it is YSR death (no-reports yet on the causes, Reliance, possible KCR/TRS link to reliance) for protests.

AP people gave them power, Congress politicians are returning what they can usually

I hope this won't distract people. We need to finalize this Telangana issue once and for all. Put the issue to rest either way.

If Telangana comes, so be it. We should not divert the issue. Kosta/Seema and Telangana should come to an understanding on Hyderabad revenues for a certain time period and not let Hyderabad a divisive issue for another 50 years. The center/political parties will fish in troubled waters if Hyderabad is left as a hanging issue.

If majority in Telangana want it that way, so be it. Move on and focus on development/governance.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 08 Jan 2010 00:13

^^^ Or jagan could have just picked a random theory to take revenge on COngress.
Is there any basis to this CT

RM you may be picked up for instigating riots

Moderators, could we unlock the YSR death thread please.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 08 Jan 2010 00:32

Let me open them eye's a bit. Why do you think there are few or no participation's from the non-AP crowd in this thread?

I used to follow this thread and posted few times. I brought in 3 points - National security, National Integration & Culture. In a Military & Strategy forum, I thought it would be considered important. There were no takers.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 08 Jan 2010 00:32

^^^ ho ho....
I am non AP too sirrah

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Jan 2010 00:37

No past is past.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Jan 2010 00:49

Pioneer:

Dont let Telangana explode

Don’t let Telangana explode

Kalyani Shankar

The Centre must take steps to cool the tempers of those who are for and against Telangana. If the situation goes out of control, the only option left will be to impose President’s rule

Telangana looks like a woman all dressed up and nowhere to go. All indications are that it may take a while even if the Centre decides to form a separate Telangana State. Union Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee has admitted that it is not going to be easy, given the aspirations and emotions of the people of Andhra Pradesh. Any number of meetings and committees will not find an answer as they are only meant to buy time. Added to that is the report given by Andhra Pradesh Governor ES Lakshmi Narasimhan that if there is a separate Telangana State, there is the danger of it becoming a Maoist State.

What has happened in these past few weeks on the emotional issue is revealing. First of all, neither the State Government nor the Centre has any clue as to how to deal with the situation after opening the Pandora’s Box. The State remains paralysed with bandhs and violence while Chief Minister K Rosaiah, who has been running to New Delhi for every decision, has proved to be a disaster. On Centre’s own admission, the Maoists, who were already active in the Telangana region, have become more aggressive taking advantage of the explosive situation.

The progress of the State has come to a standstill and investors are hesitant in view of the uncertainty and political instability. The question mark over Hyderabad’s fate has sent shivers to investors. Money power and vested interests have jumped into the chaotic situation to make it worse.

On the political side, the Congress, which came back with a thumping majority in the State, is clueless as to how to control its own MPs and MLAs. There is a vertical division in the ranks. Those belonging to Telangana are batting for a separate State while the rest want a united Andhra Pradesh. The legislators are in no position to listen to the party high command as they are fighting for their survival in their constituencies. The Congress is speaking with a forked tongue trying to please both sides, which is just not possible. The main Opposition, the Telugu Desam Party, is sailing in the same boat as it is too divided on the issue. TDP supremo N Chandrababu Naidu, who supported the separate Telangana demand before the 2009 election, is now dilly-dallying and weighing his options. The people had rejected the Telangana demand by giving very few seats to the grand alliance consisting of the Left parties, TRS and TDP. Praja Rajyam chief Chiranjeevi, who is new to politics, is opposed to a separate Telangana State. The CPI(M) and Majlis are also opposed to it. In such a situation, how could Home Minister P Chidambaram find a consensus at a meeting which was convened to discuss the issue? No wonder the meeting ended without any solution.

Is there a way out and what are the options before the Government? First of all, the normalcy should be brought in the State as soon as possible. This is easier said than done because the agitations — pro-Telangana and anti-Telangana — are picking up. College students have jumped into it and with both anti and pro-Telangana groups using them. Soon the situation will so out of control that the political parties, which are using them, will have no control over them.

Second, the Centre and the State should engage the pro and anti-Telangana groups in a dialogue to make sure that things are not taken to the extreme by either side. Dialogue is the only way out. There are various ways of doing this. Several ideas are floating around like forming a Group of Ministers to look into the issue, formation of a sub-committee, etc.

Third, and most important, the Congress should declare its stand publicly and persuade the other side in the party to come to the negotiating table. This again is not going to be an easy task because the legislators are fearing for their lives and apprehensive of next elections.

Fourth, Since Mr Rosaiah took over as the Chief Minister, he has been looking to the Centre for every decision, which makes him look a weak Chief Minister. He should be able instill confidence not only among his partymen but also among other political parties in the State.

Fifth, and more important, the Centre should take steps to cool the tempers of the people in the State. If the situation goes out of control, the only option left will be to impose President’s Rule in the State.

Sixth, the spillover of the Telangana agitation is being felt in other States. For instance, the separate Vidarbha movement is gaining ground in Maharashtra with other political parties joining the bandwagon. Demand for small States has grown shriller in other States. There is urgent need for the Centre to make sure that situation does not go out of control in other States the way it has gone in Andhra Pradesh.

Setting up of a second States Reorganisation Commission may be an option, which will give enough time for the Centre to find a solution. But the immediate thing is to bring normalcy in Andhra Pradesh. What is required is political sagacity and tactful handling of the situation.

Interesting view point. All the steps she is proposing are to ensure normalcy and make the politicians realize they have to respect the people's verdict. The vertical split is due to the wishes of the people. its not any strategic silence. PRP can say they are for united Andhra for otherwise they have no stand. They have nil chances in Telangana hence its easy for them.

I think the need is to forget about splitist politics and see how they all stick together or all will hang separately.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 08 Jan 2010 01:13

SandeepA wrote:A naive question..

Was the KG Gas an offshore find?

Some dots are coming out. Connect the dots you might understand what's happening in AP

It started on-shore but majority in offshore. Current estimate $1 Trillion which may not include undiscovered I guess. Coastal AP folks should have all claims

http://www.kgbasin.in/
....
About 16 km from Naraspur, Matsyapuri is a part of the Krishna-Godavari basin (KG basin), one of the first sites explored by the Oil and Natural Gas Commission (ONGC) of India. The basin spans the coastal districts of East Godavari, West Godavari and Krishna in Andhra Pradesh. It extends over 28000 sq km onshore, 24000 sq km in shallow waters and 18000 sq km in deep waters.

The journey of exploration began in April 1977 when ONGC began prospecting for oil and gas in the basin. In 1978, it drilled its first well near Naraspur and discovered gas there. Since then, it has struck black gold time and again in the rather lucrative basin.
....

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 08 Jan 2010 01:14

^^^ Is coastal andhra where all the action is

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 08 Jan 2010 01:21

Jarita wrote:^^^ Is coastal andhra where all the action is

"If you screw us, we drain your water" is one CT

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 08 Jan 2010 02:10

vijayk wrote:
ShyamSP wrote:Congress Politicians

- RTC raised buses' fares by 80%. People forgot Telengana and started protesting on RTC fare hikes. Government came and reduced fares.

- Now it is YSR death (no-reports yet on the causes, Reliance, possible KCR/TRS link to reliance) for protests.

AP people gave them power, Congress politicians are returning what they can usually
I hope this won't distract people. We need to finalize this Telangana issue once and for all. Put the issue to rest either way.

If Telangana comes, so be it. We should not divert the issue. Kosta/Seema and Telangana should come to an understanding on Hyderabad revenues for a certain time period and not let Hyderabad a divisive issue for another 50 years. The center/political parties will fish in troubled waters if Hyderabad is left as a hanging issue.

If majority in Telangana want it that way, so be it. Move on and focus on development/governance.

After 1969-73 (Jai Telengana and then Jai Andhra), the issue went away and with advent of TDP it went into oblivion. It only after Congress found utility to crush TDP was resurrected in 2001 with a loser politician called KCR as part of Congress strategy.

All along since then there was shadow-boxing. Now it came out possibly due to YSR death and powers understood the cost for the country, it will have to go back to cold storage possibly until some future politicians find utility again.

Understand Chiru&Co choosing to lose Telengana, you understand what I say.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 08 Jan 2010 02:48

ShyamSP wrote:
vijayk wrote: I hope this won't distract people. We need to finalize this Telangana issue once and for all. Put the issue to rest either way.

If Telangana comes, so be it. We should not divert the issue. Kosta/Seema and Telangana should come to an understanding on Hyderabad revenues for a certain time period and not let Hyderabad a divisive issue for another 50 years. The center/political parties will fish in troubled waters if Hyderabad is left as a hanging issue.

If majority in Telangana want it that way, so be it. Move on and focus on development/governance.
After 1969-73 (Jai Telengana and then Jai Andhra), the issue went away and with advent of TDP it went into oblivion. It only after Congress found utility to crush TDP was resurrected in 2001 with a loser politician called KCR as part of Congress strategy.

All along since then there was shadow-boxing. Now it came out possibly due to YSR death and powers understood the cost for the country, it will have to go back to cold storage possibly until some future politicians find utility again.

Understand Chiru&Co choosing to lose Telengana, you understand what I say.

It did not start in 2001 with KCR. KCR was just a tool. CON party jumped into it in 2004 because they were hopeless at that time.

http://www.navatelanganaprajaparty.com/ ... .php?id=14

The politics of co-option by an unrelenting Congress dealt a telling blow to the agitation. It took three decades of hard work by activists-intelligentsia for TRS to be born in 2001, headed by TDP rebel K Chandrasekhar Rao.

Partymen hold it important as it placed the forgotten statehood demand on the national agenda like never before. The party was born in 2001, after ground work was started by academicians in 1996. Revelations that its members were making money on the mandate given by the people could push the agitation back by years.

Says Jayashankar, "It is painful. But a movement, after sensitisation done by people like me, has to pass through political process which only politicians can do. It ends up in electoral process. And contemporary political culture takes over."

If there is an air of inevitability to TRS floundering, Congress is waiting eagle-eyed for the denouement. If TRS survives, Y S Rajasekhara Reddy could be in trouble in the next polls, having tied up with the regional outfit in 2004 to decimate arch-rival Chandrababu Naidu in 10 Telangana districts.

Pro-statehood intelligentsia, hopeful of TRS coming out unscathed from fresh bout of uncertainty, feels Rao has taken the sensitisation to a "new level". It is felt there has been a positive change in the movement's evolution. "It is totally non-violent, not aimed at the common man of Andhra. Six persons died in 1952 in police shootout. Violence happened in 1968-71. But this time, there was not a single stone thrown in six years," a leader said. With charges that TRS was run virtually by human traffickers, an apprehensive party is back to Warangal, with a rally to clear the air.

They started the process in 1996. Who funded this? Don't know. Naxalites, US groups, ... ? Who knows? They admit they started this in 1996.

Prof. Jayashankar was invited to US Telugu/Telangana forum speeches in 2000 even before KCR arrived at the scene.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kothapalli_Jayashankar

(iii) Was instrumental in forming the Telangana Development Forum (TDF) in U.S.A. in the year 1999. (iv)Was invited by the American Telugu Association (ATA) U.S.A., to speak about the Problems of Regional Disparities in Andhra Pradesh during their biennial conferences held in July 2000 and July 2002. (v)

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Jan 2010 03:20

OK found the source of the JLN remark. Its from Frontline article 'Reorganization, Then and Now" by Prof. Asha Sarangi, JNU, in the Dec 19th 2009 issue dedicated to Telangana.

Reorganization, Then and Now

The States Reorganisation Commission (SRC) appointed by Jawaharlal Nehru in 1953 was initially against the unification of Telangana with Andhra. The SRC Report, submitted in 1955, states: “One of the principle causes of opposition to Vishalandhra also seems due to the apprehensions felt by the educationally backward people of Telangana that they may be swamped and exploited by the more advanced people of the coastal area. The real fear of the people of Telangana is that if they join Andhra, they will be unequally placed in relation to the people of Andhra and, in this partnership, the major partner will derive all the advantages immediately while Telangana itself may be converted into a colony by the enterprising Andhras” (Para 378).

Nehru ridiculed the idea of merging Telangana with the Andhra State, fearing a “tint of expansionist imperialism” in it.* Later, he compared the merger to a matrimonial alliance having “provisions for divorce” if the partners in the alliance cannot get on well. The merger was facilitated by many promises and constitutional safeguards. However, the demand for separate statehood for Telangana has rested on factors such as the scale of inter-regional inequalities causing socio-economic backwardness of the region, inadequate industrial infrastructure, lack of educational and employment opportunities, diversion of water and natural resources of Telangana to the coastal region of Andhra, the hegemonic control of the coastal capitalist class over the Telangana region, the hegemony of upper castes and upper classes through the Congress party leaders in the State, and the distinctive historical and cultural identity of the region.

On the basis of the SRC’s recommendations, the linguistic reorganisation of 14 States and six Centrally-administered territories was partially completed in 1956, with several other States to be reorganised later on. This was a massive state rationalisation exercise, not simply to establish newer modes of power and authority but to rearrange social, cultural, regional and linguistic diversities into more manageable enclaves of state power. The deep-seated linguistic-cultural diversity and differences within different States and the regions had to be negotiated carefully during the early years of state formation.

The interface between political geography and cultural politics culminated in the consolidation of specific caste and class interests, strengthening the ideology of the nation-state building exercise, in various parts of the country on the one hand, and disintegrated the political architecture of the colonial state on the other. The story of the “integration of states” in post-colonial India is also a story of the disintegration and reintegration of various States and regions into more uniform and administratively rationalised units of state power.

Even before India achieved Independence, the nationalist leaders wanted to reorganise political and administrative boundaries of their country in consonance with its diverse geo-linguistic and cultural diversity to regenerate nationalist sentiments for unity among people belonging to different regions and communities. This attempt required an in-depth study of the regional and local bases of power and their cultural-historical pasts to understand the geographical locations of power. The historical experiment with territorial re-demarcation began in the 1920s, when Mahatma Gandhi proposed to reorganise the Congress provincial committees on the principles of cultural-linguistic and geographical contiguity. The idea was to strengthen cultural consolidation and political participation of the regions in the national movement. This was partially in response to the colonial state’s arbitrary realignment of provincial boundaries and borders by disregarding their historical cultural cohesiveness and bases of power.

Soon after Independence, the nation-building exercise of the new state had to be based on a more robust, democratic and participative pattern. The newly established federal democratic political structure needed to reconcile the balance of power between a relatively strong Centre and weaker States. The States, however, needed to be reconstructed and reconstituted in this long process of political consolidation and formation of the Indian nation. Attaining independence along with the partition of the country made some national leaders like Nehru and Vallabhbhai Patel apprehensive about the reorganisation process, which, in their view, could pose the danger of fragmentation of the new state.

The process of reorganisation was based on lessons learnt much from three decades of experimentation with the idea of the possibility of the creation of linguistic states. A number of language-centred identity movements that emerged during this period in regions comprising the Madras, Bombay and Bengal Presidencies, and parts of the United Provinces focussed on reorganising the new States on the principles of linguistic-cultural distinctiveness, economic viability and geographical unity along with the federal political and administrative rationality.

Nehru’s initial fears and scepticism about the disintegrative effects of this experiment disappeared with his consent for the creation of Andhra Pradesh as the first linguistic State. Though the SRC considered issues such as size, economic viability, economic planning, geo-linguistic durability and even the status of riparian states, it focussed more on redrawing the map of India along linguistic lines. On the other hand, the linguistic reorganisation of States in 1956 also created newer conflicts and contests among different States. The following decades continued to witness the process of reorganisation, with the creation of Maharashtra and Gujarat in 1960, Chandigarh, Haryana and Punjab in 1966, Himachal Pradesh in 1971, various States in the north-eastern region between 1960 and 1980, Goa in 1987 and Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand and Uttarakhand in 2000. The creation of Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand and Uttarakhand, which was made possible by disintegrating regional boundaries and political territories from within the existing States of Madhya Pradesh, Bihar and Uttar Pradesh, respectively, was not along the same criteria laid out for the earlier reorganisation of States.

* This quote is from Indian Express, October 17, 1953.

So there was a deep consideration in the formation of linguistic states from before Independence and initial misgivings of JLN were addressed so that by 1956 he consented to formation of Andhra Pradesh. Mind you by then the 1952 General elections were over and preparation for 1957 GE were on.

While on this subject recall the letter of Dr BRK Rao, where he says the people dont want to give up Urdu and Sultanate culture (biryani etc.) and then the statement by KCR that Niazm rule was better than post-integration rule?

Now I found a comment by a single person in Ind Exp Telangana Easier Said than done

what is going on....
By: P.Sudhakar | 26-Dec-2009 Reply | Forward
I am of the view that most of the movements of people were later proved to be motivated by a big brain. After the police action on nizam's hyderabad Nehru and Patel did not find Hyderabad feeling the Delhi their Ruler. The nostalgia of people towards Nizam is not faded. They have planned to mix 50% Telugu speeking people with that of Madras with a new identity 'Telugu People' so that they will gradually accept new Republic India. Thus a seperate telugu state movment opposing Tamil people was sponcered. The negativity towards the Delhi was turned towards Andhra people in Telengana.They have started accepting Indira Gandhi, Nehru's daughter. I cannot provide a proof of nehru's quote because the politetians never leave clue. The Andhraits had to bear this anguish, instead of Nehru's family and Union Govt. The present leadership at Centre cong/BJP does not want Y.S.R. or Naidu to dictate them with numbers. Mrs. Sonia always wanted to split the State.Andhraits r now strongly attached to Hyd

Is there any basis of truth to this?

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 08 Jan 2010 03:23

It doesn't matter when internal deliberations (manthanamulu) started, I gave 2001 because that is when TRS started.

TRS was useful tool and encouraged by Congress for political advantages and non-AP/AP Businessmen for business advantages.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 08 Jan 2010 03:35

>Is there any basis of truth to this?

Yes goals might have been to direct both Nizam and Madras areas towards Delhi.

By splitting Madras, pushed the Dravidianism South of Tada (border town near Chennai) *
By joining Telugus, pushed the Pakistanism away in interior lands

* Also noteworthy might be by ruining swatantra party also they kept away any Tamil-Telugu political interaction.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Jan 2010 03:54

ShyamSP wrote:>Is there any basis of truth to this?

Yes goals might have been to direct both Nizam and Madras areas towards Delhi.

By splitting Madras, pushed the Dravidianism South of Tada (border town near Chennai) *
By joining Telugus, pushed the Pakistanism away in interior lands

* Also noteworthy might be by ruining swatantra party also they kept away any Tamil-Telugu political interaction.

heck we didnt even know what was going on! And nver asked our elders while they were there.

Meanwhile
Integration of Hyderabad State and makingof Post colonial India
29 page pdf from Uty of Cambridge.

The author is a lecturer is Extra European History

Wow the problems they faced even after Independence and still do.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Jan 2010 04:09

Mr Narender Luther's blogspot on History of Hyderabad

He is the definitive historian of Hyderabad. I have a couple of books by him.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Jan 2010 04:35

Hre is CJ Pingle Jagan Mohan Reddy's autobiography

The Judiciary I served

He was dad's best friend.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 08 Jan 2010 04:48

-xpost from some other site-

CT alert (with element of truth in many points)

1. Ambanis are given land in KG basin by CBN to explore gas and he CBN gave them 100 percent stake if they find any gas there
2. YSR comes to Power in 2004
3.Huge wealth in terms of 1 trillion dollars is found in KG basin.
4. YSR cries foul on CBN for giving 100 percent stake to Ambanis and approaches the Supreme court.
5. Deal between Ambanis and YSR not settled,inspite of the pressure from Sonia.
6.Sonia gives green signal to eliminate YSR and Ambanis do the rest.
7. Sonia proposes to split AP so that Telugu people are divided and will not fight for their resources.
8.After 10 day drama by KCR,immediately announces the formation of Telangana.

This link gives companies involved in KG basin
http://www.rediff.com/money/2008/sep/08kg.htm