Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 2011

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 23 May 2011 20:07

Times Now reporting Indian intelligence agencies as saying they have a definite intecept between Afgan intelligence and Paki's that Gul would hand over Mullah O to Afg/US.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 23 May 2011 20:10

If by Allah's grace MO has escaped and is waiting to take on TSP, India should provide him all the assistance he needs provided he agrees to keep Afghan+Pashtun land united and help free Balochistan. MK Bhadrakumar, Digvijay Singh types can be very useful there...he can even help MO declare that Bamiyan was actually carried out on the orders of the Sangh parivar....and they went along because they were getting bored..

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 23 May 2011 20:12

will Mullah-O the true pashtun patriot please stand up, please stand up, please stand up?

Jayram · Post by **Jayram** » 23 May 2011 20:13

Comment from Yahoo boards

1. Pakistan has a Navy?!?

2. It only took 6 Taliban to occupy it?!?

Looks like us sending SEALS into Pakistan was a little overkill. We could have taken out Osama with the Salvation Army

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 23 May 2011 20:13

Taliban says the attack is revenge for Abbotabad raid...Pakis have been saying they will fight India to the last Kashmiri....now the Talibunnies are saying they will fight Unkil to the last Pakistani...

Oh what fun...in the land of pure...jingle all the way..

asgkhan · Post by **asgkhan** » 23 May 2011 20:14

ManuT wrote: Err, I guess you mean, red on red.

Green on green?

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 23 May 2011 20:15

Atri wrote:
abhijitm wrote:The day is not far away when we hear a nuke explosion in pindi or lawhr.
lahore too close to amritsar, saar... pindi is phine though..

Folks, that is our land onlee. No need to want any devastation to it

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 23 May 2011 20:15

Brown on brown!

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 23 May 2011 20:16

Suppiah wrote:Taliban says the attack is revenge for Abbotabad raid...Pakis have been saying they will fight India to the last Kashmiri....now the Talibunnies are saying they will fight Unkil to the last Pakistani...

Oh what fun...in the land of pure...jingle all the way..

i can see the fillum now... "The Last Pakistani" starring BRad Patth as the herrow, with Khushboo as best supporting actor

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 23 May 2011 20:17

ramana wrote:
I still stick to my guess it integrating nooks on the Onions.

Could be for Arihant hunting.

That is a serious escalation by tripurasuras. Are they trying to kill Bharat's Pasupata preemptively?

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 23 May 2011 20:21

Jehadi terrorist naval chief pig uvacha..

Nauman dismissed rumors of security breach. “This attack could not be termed as security lapse,” he stated.

In moments of distress these pigs utter the truth....Of course, it is not a security breach...if terrorists invade Pakistan that is just brotherly rivalry not a breach. How can terrorists breach a terrorist camp?

He said two destroyed aircrafts P-3C Orion were worth $40 million.

So the other $20-40m paid was for Zardari, Kiyani and company, not the worth of the aircraft I suppose...

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 23 May 2011 20:22

It is not a security lapse. Civil war onlee. May the purer gang win.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 23 May 2011 20:22

See no Schadenfreude! Our hearts are heavy at Puke loss in a most neighbourly way.
http://www.samachar.com/India-expresses ... deabe.html
India expresses grief over Karachi terror attack; steps up vigil
"New Delhi: India today expressed sadness over the loss of lives in the terror attack in Karachi and said vigil has to be stepped up in this country for which an advisory has been issued to all states.
Home Minister P Chidambaram said the attack on Pakistan Air Force base has again highlighted the fact that India lives in a troubled neighbourhood....."
Gautam
PS Our pujya Pradhanmantriji may even have some sleepless nights in distant Addis Ababa (where he is visiting). Regrettable, but it comes with the job.

ManuT · Post by **ManuT** » 23 May 2011 20:26

vdutta wrote: guilty as charged

well being a good gods fearing indian i rephrase my statement. now i will only ask for more planes to be sheedified instead of inept and self destructive baki soldiers

Soldiers are 'legitimate' targets no?
In Kashmir, Indian consulate in Afghanistan or as that Shuja Paji (Urdu) just mentioned a few days back.

Sam · Post by **Sam** » 23 May 2011 20:26

Rangudu wrote:^Faisal Shahzad is in the US and will not go anywhere. The deported person is a random guy who was part of the hawala transaction that funded the Times Sq attempt. Anyone in the US on a visa can be deported if found guilty of a felony.

My bad it is Aftab Ali Khan the financier of FS.

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 23 May 2011 20:29

How soon before we start hearing, GOI should donate P8-poseidon to pakis as they have lost two p3 onions?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 May 2011 20:30

^^^

Iguess TSP also expressed sympathy after 26/11.

Meanwhile Pioneer reports:

LINK

Mullah Omar dead? Mixed reports deepen mystery

May 23, 2011 9:00:27 PM

AFP | Kandahar

Afghanistan's Taliban today dismissed as "pure propaganda" claims that their leader Mullah Omar was dead after an Afghan intelligence source said he had been killed in Pakistan.

"This is pure propaganda. This is not possible at all," Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told AFP by telephone from an undisclosed location. He added that Omar was currently inside Afghanistan "leading the mujahideen".

The comments came after one Afghan intelligence source said Omar had been killed by Pakistan's ISI agency, while another claimed he had been missing for 11 days.

The first source, speaking to AFP on condition of anonymity, said that Omar had been killed on Friday, citing information received from sources within the Haqqani insurgent group, whose leaders are based in Pakistan.

"Based on ISI instruction through (former ISI chief) General Hamid Gul, Mullah Mohammad Omar was told to move from Quetta city of Pakistan to northern Waziristan," the source said.

"As Mullah Omar was being transported from Quetta to North Waziristan by the ISI, he was secretly killed by the ISI."

However, a second Afghan intelligence source who also spoke anonymously said that Omar had been missing for 11 days following a meeting with Gul.

"It has been 11 days since his close circle, the people around him, have no clue of his whereabouts. The Taliban leadership are all concerned and worried for the sudden disappearence of Mullah Omar," the source said.

Afghanistan and Pakistan regularly trade accusations over Taliban insurgencies plaguing both their countries. There is deep distrust between Afghan intelligence and the ISI, which helped create the Taliban in the 1990s.

Most likely enquiring minds want to know where is Mullah Omar and expressed concern that TSP made him meet his raisins.

From the Taliban spokesman he is Afghanistan and not in North Waziristan.

He probably figured he will get killed in North Waziristan while trying to link up with the Haqqani on ISI instructions. So he scooted to Afghanistan. All these rumors of his death are to seek him out.

Most likely even ISI is looking for him! Note the second rumor form Haqqanis.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 23 May 2011 20:31

ramana wrote:All in all based on minimal damage could be a staged raid to garner US sympathy and channel more aid.

Pakistan Navy is the only affected party here. It has lost its H&D if at all it had one.Even Pakistan's armed forces is not a cohesive one. We must not forget that. There is a step motherly treatment of Pakistan Navy by Pakistan Army and ISI. It would be interesting to see if there are any changes to top bra's of Pakistan Navy in coming days. A more Jihadi Admiral taking over the lesser Jihadi Admiral as the lesser one did not gubo enough to Kiyani or someone high enough. With all due respect I do not think this has anything to do with US aid or sympathy. It may be staged but for a different reason.

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 23 May 2011 20:33

I think MO will turn up at unkil's door in isloo asking for asylum....

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 23 May 2011 20:36

Guys time to go off to bed...they say you have to think peaceful, good things before hitting the bed...

So let us salute the bravery of the fearless Paki soldiers. They have conquered Swat valley and now they sucessfully conquered their own base in Karachi...let us hope they capture lahore, Isloobad and other towns in the near future and be the monarch of all they surveyed..

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 May 2011 20:38

Interesting this is unlike 26/11, the US press hardly covered this attack on a Pak military installation. Wonder why?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 23 May 2011 20:38

MO has disappeared from quetta 5 days ago per afghan intel
http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/23/mullah-o ... icial.html

dronacharya killed seven today
http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/23/us-drone ... istan.html

RonyKJ · Post by **RonyKJ** » 23 May 2011 20:38

I think what is happening is that Pakistan's ISI is moving Mullah Omar from Pakistan to Afghanistan. I think they are shitting in their pants worried that the US might launch another operation to take out Mullah Omar and Pakistan will be caught again harboring a terrorist leader.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 23 May 2011 20:40

Green on green?

Goshtkhor on Dalkhor

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 23 May 2011 20:44

Pakistan in the eye of a media stormBy Irfan Husain

IN a recent Guardian editorial, Pakistani TV anchors were referred to as “secular mullahs”. I beg to differ: I see few signs of secularism in our TV chat show hosts, barring a few honourable exceptions. But there are many indications that they are indeed mullahs.

I`m sure screenwriters in Hollywood are busy churning out scripts to turn the whole episode into movie gold. Actors are probably being cast, and we can expect blockbusters to start emerging soon from the studios. My money is on Tom Hanks to play the lead role. Maybe Will Smith will co-star as Barack Obama. And perhaps Morgan Freeman will make a cameo appearance as General Kayani.

Ouch! That hurts. An African-American to play the role of a TFTA Mard-e-momeen? Jeeeehaaad!! And this is where Husain's sa'ab's pakistaniyat shows its colors:

A friend invited me to Chatham House to hear Anatole Lieven speak about Pakistan. Author of Pakistan: A Hard Country, he has a less gloomy outlook than most foreign observers. An academic, a former journalist for The Times, and a frequent visitor to Pakistan, Lieven has brought a rare sophistication and subtlety to his argument on why Pakistan is so important to the West:

“… a balance needs to be struck between the economic and security benefits to the West of closer ties with India and the security threats to the West stemming from a growth of Islamic militancy in Pakistan. In the end, not even the greatest imaginable benefits of US-Pakistan friendship could compensate for the actual collapse of Pakistan, with all the frightful dangers this would create not just for the West but for India too.”

Putting things in perspective, Lieven points out that Pakistan is not alone in the region in suffering from armed insurgency: Sri Lanka and Burma have faced rebellions that have lasted far longer; and India has been fighting the Naxalite uprising in vast swathes of its territory for decades. As he writes in the introduction:

“Pakistan is in fact a great deal more like India or India like Pakistan — than either country would wish to admit. If Pakistan were an Indian state, then in terms of development, order and per capita income it would find itself somewhere in the middle, considerably below Karnataka but considerably above Bihar. Or to put it another way, if India were only the `cow-belt` of Hindi-speaking north India, it probably wouldn`t be a democracy or a growing economic power either, but some form of impoverished Hindu-nationalist dictatorship, riven by local conflicts.”

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 23 May 2011 20:44

just accidently switched over to ndtv and all going on was == with 26/11. fk. switched back to sanity instantly.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 May 2011 20:49

Its really green (jihadis) on brown (Khakis).

BTW, even if there were no nooks on PNS Mehran (?) they are ~25km away at Masrur per this report. I think US better worry about all this dispersal nonsense from TSPA.

Security fear as Taliban strikes Karachi

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The attack raises serious questions about the Pakistani military's capacity to defend the country and secure its nuclear arsenal.

Insurgents were still holed up in an office building on the Mehran naval air base in Karachi 14 hours after the Sunday evening attack, as paramilitary officers backed by helicopter gun ships exchanged fire with the attackers.

Navy spokesman Irfan ul Haq said the operation was taking so long because of the presence of several assets on the base.

No nuclear weapons are stored at Mehran but nuclear missile warheads are believed to be located less than 25km away at Masroor air base.
....

Odd thing is T-e-T is the Pakiban at war with TSPA. How come it attacked the naval base which is least involved in internal operations? Atleast PAF could be involved in transporting stuff for TSPA in badlands. And what if they had raided Masrur?

Lots of questions on this raid.

BTW, MMS has just now raised the issue of TSP nook security in Addis Abbaba!

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 23 May 2011 20:53

Bigger worry now is the risk to Pak's nukes

In an interaction with officials travelling with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on the latter's six-day visit to Ethiopia, rediff.com's Vicky Nanjappa learns about New Delhi's views on the attack on naval base in Pakistan, US game plan in Afghanistan and how India needs to work closely with the African region

The attack on a naval base in Pakistan has left India worried. Officials travelling with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on his six-day visit to Ethiopia said that the attack looks very coordinated and it appears that it was done to provide cover for something bigger at Afghanistan.

We are monitoring the situation and are obviously concerned with the developments over there, officials said, adding that although this attack does not indicate a higher level threat to us, the bigger worry is the risk to Pakistan's nuclear establishments.

Officials noted that the attack in Pakistan was sophisticated and involved use of heavy machinery.

We are definitely concerned about Pakistan's nuclear programme and the recent developments have only put the threat perception at a high, they added.

For India, the nuclear weapons are not fighting weapons and we will continue to have the policy of no first use, officials underlined, adding that New Delhi will sit and analyse the events in Pakistan and see what lessons need to be drawn from this attack.

Considering that this was an attack on the naval base in Pakistan, it once again brings back memories of the 26/11 attack, which was a maritime attack to begin with.

An official source said, "We have improved a great deal over the past couple of years in terms of coastal security. It would not be correct to say that we are satisfied, as it is dangerous to be content. However, in terms of coastal security we have done a great deal and as of today we are in a much better position when compared to what we were last year."

"The coast guard has done its bit to enhance security. This issue has a lot to do with the individual state governments too and some of them are yet to set up coastal police stations to ensure that coastal security is intact.

On India's position in Afghanistan, the source said that it is not right for anyone to tell what another country ought to do.

"There are certain power tussles and issues in Afghanistan and they are being sorted out. Afghanistan has changed a lot since the year 2000 and currently there is a whole new generation over there. It for the Afghans to chose who they would like to work with," the source said.

On the claims of a US pull out from Afghanistan post the killing of Osama bin Laden, the source said that the Americans may not pull out completely.

"There will be a draw down of forces and the search team of 30,000 will be drawn down for the moment. The US sure wants a change of role in Afghanistan and in the months to come the policing by US forces on the streets of Afghanistan is likely to stop. They do not want to be protecting the streets and the nature of what they will be doing in Afghanistan will change. A clear picture will emerge once Hamid Karzai visits Washington probably next month."

On doing business in Africa, an official said that India has a smaller presence in the region as compared to China.

"The nature of the business being done by us is different when compared to China. For us, Africa is an opportunity and there is enough space for us to do what we are good at over here. Although the Chinese have a larger presence here, we cannot say that they have outdone us. It is in our interest to be in Africa," the official said.

"We need to understand the African sensitivities and we as Indians need to be sensitive. We have done well here in the past two years and the time has now come to accelerate.

However, we in the government will not be in a position to tell the businessmen what is to be done. It is their decision and what we could do is provide advisories and also give able assistance. We cannot take a call as what we want the businessmen to be doing."

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 23 May 2011 20:56

I think PN targets are the softest of the lot. PA the hardest. and the PAF sticks much closer to its PA biraders than the stepchild PN...so its no pushover either.

and being Karachi, PN targets are thick on the ground.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 23 May 2011 20:56

ramana wrote:base which is least involved in internal operations? Atleast PAF could be involved in transporting stuff for TSPA in badlands. And what if they had raided Masrur?

Lots of questions on this raid.

BTW, MMS has just now raised the issue of TSP nook security in Addis Abbaba!

It is very clear to me. It is a SDRE led RAW attack and nothing else.

Now the message is that India will remove the Chinese nooks in Pak.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 23 May 2011 20:56

ramana wrote:Interesting this is unlike 26/11, the US press hardly covered this attack on a Pak military installation. Wonder why?

May be this was an American operation? Probably to hunting for a high value target? Picture of one of the dead gunman looks very American.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 23 May 2011 20:58

ramana wrote:How come it attacked the naval base which is least involved in internal operations?

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 110523.htm

Why terrorists targeted the Pak naval base
B Raman

This counter-terrorism role consists of air surveillance to prevent any sea-borne intrusions of Al Qaeda and to detect any terrorist plans for attacks on ships bringing supplies for the NATO forces in Afghanistan. The supplies are landed in the Karachi port and then moved by trucks to Afghanistan.

...........

The active role played by the Pakistani Navy in support of the NATO operations in Afghanistan has attracted the anger of the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan.

Goes on to talk about 3-4 attacks specifically against TSPN

Samudragupta · Post by **Samudragupta** » 23 May 2011 21:05

It is very clear to me. It is a SDRE led RAW attack and nothing else. Now the message is that India will remove the Chinese nooks in Pak.

This is self goal....We shud not help oout opponents when time is really in our side.....

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 23 May 2011 21:10

^^^^ SDREs are patient if nothing else. Time is taking care of all for us. We have to only ensure that we hold together till the opportunity arrives

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 23 May 2011 21:10

^^^
Come on!! Just being sarcastic. Pak will come with such logic anyway.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 23 May 2011 21:11

abhijitm wrote:just accidently switched over to ndtv and all going on was == with 26/11. fk. switched back to sanity instantly.

No. There is scope for some == here.

Pakis attacked unguarded hotels and unarmed people. 9 terrorists killed. 1 captured for the loss of 4 security men in India
Pakis attacked a high profile, well defended military base, killed 10 security men (probably more), ravaged a lot of priceless equipment and lost only 4 terrorists. Two escaped.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 May 2011 21:13

I dont agree with BRamanji's assessment. Something else is at play here than NATO suport in Afghanistan.
First of all its the TTP which is Pakiban based in FATA/WANA area of operations. So they hardly would care about NATO ops in Afghanistan.
Second TTP says its in response to OBL raid in Abortabad.

We need more data before calling it a goat.

To me the presence of Chinese on the base is a pointer to Lal Masjid redux.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 23 May 2011 21:17

^^^^ Yes, yes, yes
Just conjecture but post Gwadar offer by Chinese + the chopper tail issue and a naval base with dozens of chipandas gets assaulted. The timing is too suspect. Why not a military base or academy or some other target.
This could just be a warning of what "we can do to you" if you shift sides and China can go to hell.

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 23 May 2011 21:20

Is there any chance of yindoo or amreeki intel getting hold of some unusual (chinese) activity on the Karachi-Gwadar highway, through high-res satellite pics, after this incident.

I suspect already that PRC and KSA are using TSP as a go-between, this is related to KSA plans against Iran and also the recent talk of 1967 border arrangements in Palestine. This is where OBL execution gets joined at the hip.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 23 May 2011 21:25

RamaY wrote: I still stick to my guess it integrating nooks on the Onions.
Could be for Arihant hunting
That is a serious escalation by tripurasuras. Are they trying to kill Bharat's Pasupata preemptively?

Funny, when i heard about foreigner"S", my first hunch was same. Whosever have done this Orion hatya have also done 3 cheer\s haran to expose the hoax of evil fox. Indian investement in Fak-Pak region will go long way to enhance Indian security. Now we know why every faaked up asura wanted no Indian seat on the table in Turkey to discuss Afghanistan.