Re: Afghanistan News & Discussion - April 2016
Posted: 19 Aug 2021 11:24
It's a matter of time before one of these helicopters reaches China for inspection
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As per some posts from some Ex US Technical and their SF guys, the US did not extract all of the Helis (and other vehicles) out as it would have given advance notice to the ANA and the Taliban about their exact time of withdrawal... this was done to reduce vulnerability.rsingh wrote: You are right. I am wondering how come all knowing Pentagon left state of art helicopters to barbarians.
Or if they were other Martial race, the one in the forefront of Farmer agitation.Roop wrote:If these people had been Muslims instead of Gurkhas, he would have rushed over to Kabul to personally welcome them to Canada.yensoy wrote:Nonsense double talk from slick Trudeau. Who ever asked about them to be immigrated into Canada? Get them out first and send them back home from wherever the plane was headed (usually to some place in the gulf).
According to the below report 22 military planes and 24 helicopters landed in Uzbekistan with fleeing ANA soldiers.Manish_P wrote:As per some posts from some Ex US Technical and their SF guys, the US did not extract all of the Helis (and other vehicles) out as it would have given advance notice to the ANA and the Taliban about their exact time of withdrawal... this was done to reduce vulnerability.rsingh wrote: You are right. I am wondering how come all knowing Pentagon left state of art helicopters to barbarians.
Secondly some of the most sensitive equipment/sub-systems inside the machines were removed much earlier and transported or destroyed separately.
Why would the Uzbooks shoot down an Afghan plane?williams wrote:According to the below report 22 military planes and 24 helicopters landed in Uzbekistan with fleeing ANA soldiers.Manish_P wrote:
As per some posts from some Ex US Technical and their SF guys, the US did not extract all of the Helis (and other vehicles) out as it would have given advance notice to the ANA and the Taliban about their exact time of withdrawal... this was done to reduce vulnerability.
Secondly some of the most sensitive equipment/sub-systems inside the machines were removed much earlier and transported or destroyed separately.
https://reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/ ... 021-08-16/
this ass of a "general" wouldn't be able to find his own arse with both hands in the middle of main street at high noon.Chief of British military says Taliban are "country boys" with "honor at the heart"
Says they want to end corruption and build Afghanistan that is "inclusive for all"
Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi has said the propaganda by Ashraf Ghani’s ousted government against the Taliban has proved false as the insurgents have announced general amnesty and are not barring girls’ education.
I think consensus within current TSPA establishment is they regret recognising the previous Taleban govt without support of international powers - bad PR and guilt by association. Especially that Taleban was not inclusive last time - this created its own instability. This time TSPA want there to be inclusive govt (with TSPA at the top to veto anything big .... like GOI involvement)ldev wrote: Qatar and Turkey will try and moderate the Taliban to increase the number of acceptable MB countries. Obviously Turkey feels that they have an inside track on the Taliban via Qatar and hence their play to manage Kabul airport after the US withdrawal. But that plan has cratered with the suddenness of the ANG collapse. And the Taliban have learnt some media management thanks again to Qatari tutelage and AlJazeera!! But the Taliban will not deviate from the very fundamental practices of Wahabi Islam. Just read the many Twitter threads, women have almost disappeared from public view.
Most likely, Pakistan will likely have far less sway over the Taliban than they would like. Pakistan's satisfaction will stem entirely from the fact that India is no longer there.
The US has frozen about $10 billion of the reserves of the Afghan Central Bank....virtually all the money they have. It will be interesting if the Taliban think of keeping the approximately 10,000 US citizens there as hostages!! It will like the Iran hostage crisis on steroids.
Karzai was even more a US puppet. `Consultant' to Unocal (which wanted to exploit Afghan minerals) where he reported to Zalmay Khailizad.Aditya_V wrote:He was American University Full bright scholar like Raghuram Rajan Types. He just did what the American told him to do and left.
I think that Pakistani influence in Taliban 2.0 will be much less than Taliban 1.0. Taliban 2.0 has been influenced by Qatar and MB, leadership in Doha for many years. And therefore also under Turkish influence. Taliban 1.0 was the Pakistani trained taliban during the Soviet occupation. Taliban 2.0 may be trained in Pakistan but it's leadership is Qatar influenced. Now that the Taliban leadership has moved to Kandahar, proximity to Pakistan will enable the ISI to have closer interaction with them. The Taliban view on the Durand line border will be first indicator of which way the winds are blowing for Pakistan. Either way at the moment it looks unlikely that Pakistan will be able to count on Afghanistan to provide strategic depth to store their warheads in the Afghan mountain caves.shyamd wrote: I think consensus within current TSPA establishment is they regret recognising the previous Taleban govt without support of international powers - bad PR and guilt by association. Especially that Taleban was not inclusive last time - this created its own instability. This time TSPA want there to be inclusive govt (with TSPA at the top to veto anything big .... like GOI involvement)
TSPA has outlined 2 core national interest:
1. Vision for future of Afghanistan (particularly the Durand Line border)
2. Role of India in that region
Previous Afghan govts failed on both counts. Right from the start Afghan govt told then senior TSPA officers that they don't recognise durand line.
Also the US was setting up ANDF ORBAT to focus on Pakistan(!).
Taleban takeover of Afghanistan was a necessity in their eyes. But there is no guarantee that they can control Taleban indefinitely.... Question is what is Taleban position on points 1 and 2 above.
Probably the same ANA special forces that switched sides. It’s the same equipment. Renamed Bandri 303.IndraD wrote:Taliban propaganda shows 'Badri 313' special forces squadron patrolling Kabul
more likely stripped from the bodies of massacred ANA soldiers.anupmisra wrote:Probably the same ANA special forces that switched sides. It’s the same equipment. Renamed Bandri 303.IndraD wrote:Taliban propaganda shows 'Badri 313' special forces squadron patrolling Kabul
Jarita wrote:
What if, just what if and this is hypothetically speaking - The Chinese start mining aggressively in Afghanistan (After all the Taliban thinks the chinese are good) and start selling goods manufactured in China (through American factories) into Afghanistan. Say rare earths are mined and shipped to Chinese factories (owned by wall street) and then Tesla cars are sold in Afghanistan. This is just a hypothetical scenario, amongst many scenarios. Who would be the net beneficiaries? There is a nation state and there is the economic state.
See what the Taliban has to say about China
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/tal ... 021-08-14/
https://www.npr.org/2021/08/14/10277565 ... -interests
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 295588.cmsWe just heard about how the Taliban is making quick advances throughout Afghanistan. And now there's growing dismay about what will happen if the militant group gains control of the country once the U.S. and NATO allies leave at the end of this month. But China views it differently and is reaching out and trying to consolidate its relationship with the Taliban. NPR's Jackie Northam reports.Afghan Taliban says it sees China as a 'friend', promises not to host Uyghur militants from Xinjiang: Report
GoI brings "independent journalist" Sonia Sarkar back at tax payer's cost and risking IAF & MEA lives and she recounts her experience (and makes money) on South China Morning Post & of course in interviews on NDTV ! None of her interviews show a spoonful of gratefulness and gratitude to Bharat Sarkar !!https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics ... rt-airport
How I left Afghanistan, with a Taliban escort to the airport
Sonia Sarkar, 18 Aug, 2021
I'd imagine that everyone would be a net beneficiary in that scenario. Economics is not zero-sum, unlike politics. A doctor who trades life-saving medicines to a farmer who trades back life-saving food both benefit.Jarita wrote:Jarita wrote:
What if, just what if and this is hypothetically speaking - The Chinese start mining aggressively in Afghanistan (After all the Taliban thinks the chinese are good) and start selling goods manufactured in China (through American factories) into Afghanistan. Say rare earths are mined and shipped to Chinese factories (owned by wall street) and then Tesla cars are sold in Afghanistan. This is just a hypothetical scenario, amongst many scenarios. Who would be the net beneficiaries? There is a nation state and there is the economic state.
See what the Taliban has to say about China
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/tal ... 021-08-14/
https://www.npr.org/2021/08/14/10277565 ... -interests
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 295588.cms
If any country could pacify this part of the world, it may be China. Others are too hamstrung by domestic politics. Whatever tactics have been used in Xinjiang can be replicated here as well. The BRI road assets can be used to ship malcontents to other locations for training.Jarita wrote:What if, just what if and this is hypothetically speaking - The Chinese start mining aggressively in Afghanistan (After all the Taliban thinks the chinese are good) and start selling goods manufactured in China (through American factories) into Afghanistan.
+1008 It is time we organize the response - a coordinated but decentralized approach that will maximize impact.Cyrano wrote:I'm thinking we need a call for action thread to mobilise willing brfites to take up such actions on SM. Heck, if all kinds of people can act coordinately with tool kits etc; we at BRF as a collective force can't stay out of the battle for shaping public opinion, and dare I say national consciousness - can we?
A thread where we simply post a SM news item/article along with the blog/teetar handle of the author/concerned entity. Poster may optionally say what his/her reaction is/was. No pre-defined stuff to copy paste like a tool kit. Just highlight stuff that comes up on SM that deserves/merits a BRFites response. Sort of like my post above.
Mods - what do you think?
Really hope China will give a shot at this. Xinjiang people really need some strategic depth. And it will help keep the PLA’s senior promotion line chugging, as successive military leader gets a chance to experience the boom time economy.vera_k wrote:
If any country could pacify this part of the world, it may be China. Others are too hamstrung by domestic politics. Whatever tactics have been used in Xinjiang can be replicated here as well. The BRI road assets can be used to ship malcontents to other locations for training.
"I write from the Panjshir Valley today, ready to follow in my father’s footsteps, with mujahideen fighters who are prepared to once again take on the Taliban," Massoud, leader of the National Resistance Front of Afghanistan, wrote in an op-ed published by the Washington Post on Wednesday. "We have stores of ammunition and arms that we have patiently collected since my father’s time, because we knew this day might come."
India supportrd the Northern Allaiance in the past wonder if history will repeat!Massoud said Afghans have already responded to his call for resistance in the Panjshir Valley, including members of the Afghan Special Forces and others from the Afghan army who "were disgusted by the surrender of their commanders and are now making their way to the hills of Panjshir with their equipment."
However, their arms would not be enough to overcome a Taliban assault, Massoud wrote, citing shared interests in an appeal to the West for weapons and ammunition
via@ian_mckelveyWell, it looks like I was right.
Biden: “Fu(k that. We don’t have to worry about that (Afghanistan).
We did it in Vietnam. Nixon and Kissinger got away with it.”
The debacle in #Afghanistan was intentional.
viaIan McKelvey@ian_mckelvey · 16 AugI can’t help but feel that what has happened in Afghanistan over the past 72 hours was deliberate.
This was the execution Biden’s plan.
He, his vice president, and his press secretary remain on vacation.
Complete silence from the Democrats.
It has to be intentional.
More than that, if China wins where the USA lost, it makes it very obvious who the top dog is. Also will help show how the Chinese domestic system is superior to that of other countries.hnair wrote:Really hope China will give a shot at this. Xinjiang people really need some strategic depth. And it will help keep the PLA’s senior promotion line chugging, as successive military leader gets a chance to experience the boom time economy.
via@Peymasad·17 AugKandahar, Zabul, Ghazni, Helmand - you name it. Afghans are being executed, beheaded, disappeared to end up dead.
The provinces are on fire because of the Taliban’s retribution killings.
To those saying “Kabul is peaceful” - Kabul doesn’t = Afghanistan.
via@FrudBezhan · 17 AugTaliban largely showing restraint in #Kabul, which the world is watching closely.
But very different story in other cities/provinces, where there have been summary executions/revenge killings of govt officials, captured soldiers, and civilians affiliated with govt.
And how is China going to win without boots on the ground and doing something different than others? Elaborate please on the “More than that” part.vera_k wrote: More than that, if China wins where the USA lost, it makes it very obvious who the top dog is. Also will help show how the Chinese domestic system is superior to that of other countries.