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Y. Kanan wrote:Kashi, shiv, partha, hnair, pankajs, et al - bash me all you want; I like to state things as they are, not as I wish them to be. I'm just as much a jingo as the rest of you, but a realistic one. I keep an eye on the western\globalist press (CNN, BBC, Reuters, etc) to see what propaganda the enemy is pushing. The prevailing narrative from the outside is basically neutral:

India: We conducted surgical strikes, believe me.
Pakistan: No you didn't.
India: Yes we did.
Pakistan: Did not!
India: Did, too!

India: We conducted surgical strikes. We have video evidence
Pakistan: No you didn't
India: OK, If that is what you want, we are OK with that
Pakistan: You are lying. No attack took place. But we will retaliate
India: We are satisfied with what we did for the time being

For Samihullah, a tailor from a family of Afghan refugees in Pakistan, the first indication that it might be time to leave the country was the insults levelled at him in the bazaar.Born to refugee parents in the northern Pakistani town of Mansehra, he never gained citizenship but was always considered an Afghan, something which began to count against him as local resentment grew over Afghanistan’s deepening ties with India.
Many Pakistanis view India as their enemy at the best of times, and that attitude has hardened in recent months as tensions between the nuclear-armed rivals have risen.“Afghans used to be called ‘Kabuli’ in Pakistan, but now Pakistanis call them ‘Hindus’ because we signed economic agreements with India,” said Samihullah, who, like many Afghans, goes by one name.Even before the latest clashes between Indian and Pakistani soldiers in the disputed Kashmir region, the climate was more hostile.“They were telling us, we chose India’s friendship so we should go to India. We were hiding in our shops and homes to avoid being arrested,” Samihullah said.“These people were our guests, we kept them in our house. Afghanistan should be grateful to us,” said a Pakistani army official based in the southern city of Quetta.“Instead it ... has become buddies with India, it’s like stabbing us in the back.”The treatment Samihullah and others at the reception centre complain of reflects how quickly diplomatic tensions can affect refugees, many of whom must start again from scratch.
“”But Pakistani officials deny there has been systematic harassment of Afghans living in Pakistan and say their country has demonstrated great generosity to the refugee population, despite severe economic problems of its own.“We want them to return home in peace with honour and dignity,” said Akhtar Munir, spokesman at the Pakistani embassy in Kabul, adding that there was no connection between the repatriation of Afghan refugees and India.Although repatriation is not compulsory, many Afghans say life in Pakistan has become so uncomfortable they feel they have little choice.Even in areas like Baluchistan in the south, where authorities have long taken a more lenient view of refugees than in the northwest frontier areas, attitudes have changed, particularly in the wake of recent attacks.“My son was stopped at a checkpoint and an officer tore up his Afghan citizenship card,” said Bibi Shireen, who moved to Quetta from the southern Afghan city of Kandahar 30 years ago.“.”

Pakistan is like a thief bitten by a scorpion, cannot cry out even when in pain: M Venkaiah Naidu

By Aman Sharma & Vasudha Venugopal, ET Bureau | Oct 04, 2016, 07.11 AM IST Post a Comment

Why were the surgical strikes required?

Pakistan has gone too far. It has been aiding, abetting, funding and training terrorists for long; it’s now an international secret. Many times we tried to counsel Pakistan, but it hasn’t walked the talk.

There have been 20 intrusion attempts. Then Pathankot, then Uri. People of the country were very upset. PM Modi, contrary to his image (everybody says he is very hard, etc), invited heads of states of all the Saarc nations to his swearing-in ceremony. He went to Lahore, an unprecedented event, and met all the members of Nawaz Sharif’s family.

Sharif had such a good relation with Modi…the last call he made from his operation table in London was to Modi, asking for his good wishes.

But what happened subsequently needs investigation. Whether it is Panama papers or Pak military…the moment Nawaz came back from London, he changed language and then these incidents happened.

So public anger is a factor?

The government gave a free hand to the Army that something preventive has to be done.

The wish of the ordinary people was that India should go and hit the terrorist camps. But there are limitations. Keeping that in mind, the Army made a surgical strike on the terrorist launch pads. It is the Pakistan Army which escorts terrorists and launches them into India. People are happy. People’s sentiment has been respected.

But Pakistan is denying the strikes...

There is a saying in Telugu: A thief bitten by a scorpion will never cry or shout inside your house but bears the pain. That is what is happening to Pakistan. So it is denying it.

Listen to the reaction of Pak defence minister on the very first day. He said it is aggression, then he said two Pakistani soldiers have died. Now he is saying nothing happened. Sharif said it was aggression. They don’t know whether to talk about it or keep quiet.

Is it because they are humiliated?

Naturally. They got it back. It was a foot operation done by the Army, no choppers were used. Our Army went 2-4 km inside and destroyed the launch pads. Pakistan knows the casualty figure. It is the same Indian Army as 10-20 years ago. But you need political clearance too.

PM cautioned Pakistan in Kozhikode.

Why not make video evidence public?

Let us wait. People of India and international community believe Indian government. You can never convince Pakistan. Pakistan has decided not to get convinced. Appropriate action will be taken by the defence ministry at an opportune time. No foreign country has contradicted us, no one sympathises with Pakistan.

Surgical strikes were done earlier too but not made public...

No problem. But this government has sent a signal to Pakistan and the international community. US killing Osama Bin Laden inside Pakistan made it clear that it was sheltering terrorists.

Now, international community is believing us because they know that Pakistan has done it earlier too.

We are not war-mongers. It was a pre-emptive strike. Even in old times, Ram and Ravana fought but Ram did not claim Lanka. We did not claim Bangladesh. We want Pakistan to behave — you take care of your country, we take care of ours.

Pakistani media claims there were no funerals or bodies on their side of the LoC...

It is a pity that Pakistan is not recognising its own citizens. That speaks of the current situation in Pakistan, a rogue state.

Even if Pakistan shouts a 1,000 times, it can never think of getting Kashmir. Not an inch will be given. We did not cross into Pakistan by crossing LoC. PoK is not a part of Pakistan, it is a part of India.

What should be the role of media?

Everyone is a citizen first, they have a responsibility towards the nation. National interest is people’s interest. I expect media to be objective, and, also, it should keep national interest in mind. Some people are aggressively criticising India on TV...

We are a free nation and believe in freedom of expression. It is for those people to think what they are doing. They are harming the country’s interest. In a way, they are serving Pak interest.

What about Pakistani film stars working here?

In normal times, there is no problem as art has no barrier. When such a situation arises, these people should keep local sentiments in mind. I am not advocating that they should be sent back.

If they condemn the Uri attack?

That will really help the situation.

James B wrote:State of Denial in Pakistan is all the way up to Paki Elites. Even Hajam Sethi believes no Surgical Strike happened (or told to parrot it in Media).

Pak takes journalists to LoC, fails to prove its point of denial of surgical strikes by Indian Army


The Pakistan army took the rare step of flying international media to the Line of Control to sell its side of the story on the surgical strikes at terror camps by India, but failed to prove its denial of the operation during the controlled media tour as it raised more questions on the locations of terror camps.

JOURNALISTS FLOWN IN TO SHOW NORMALCY OF LIFE IN PAKISTAN

Journalists were flown in by helicopters to show that life continues as normal in PoK but the area of the tour appeared to be a restricted, specially sanitized section along the LoC that was specially chosen to project normalcy in its attempt to "counter the impression created by India".

As an international station aired footage, Pakistan's high commission in New Delhi issued the screenshot of the video to project it as a global acknowledgment of Islamabad's claims that no Indian forces swooped down on PoK.

On Sunday, the high commission also released a briefing by the ISPR, the Pakistani army's public-relations wing, to dispute operations by India's Special Forces. In his briefing from PoK, ISPR chief Asim Bajwa bragged about the capabilities of his country's armed forces, calling their defences impregnable.

ACCESS TO STRETCH WITH ONLY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBOURHOODS

From material the Pakistani high commission released to the Indian media, it was also not clear why the ISPR chose to display a stretch, which, by its own admission, housed only residential neighbourhoods.

The operation by the Indian forces so far deep inside the territory under its control on the night of September 25 has been a stinging blow to Pakistan establishment. India, however, remained unruffled in the face of Pakistan's media blitz.

Home minister Rajnath Singh had a one-line answer when asked about any plans by New Delhi to release footage of the PoK operations. "Just wait and watch," he quipped.

Y. Kanan wrote:Kashi, shiv, partha, hnair, pankajs, et al - bash me all you want; I like to state things as they are, not as I wish them to be. I'm just as much a jingo as the rest of you, but a realistic one. I keep an eye on the western\globalist press (CNN, BBC, Reuters, etc) to see what propaganda the enemy is pushing. The prevailing narrative from the outside is basically neutral

Prem wrote:Lilly Mary Pinto ‏@LillyMaryPinto 48s49 seconds ago
Another snub to Pakistan:
UN rejects Pak’s plea to comment on EAM Sushma Swaraj’s UNGA speech

Peregrine wrote:
Escalation not in anyone’s interest, says army

Cheers

anupmisra wrote:Shahid Afridi warns Indian Army: Pathans are guarding our borders

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4TW7u_s60o

kittoo wrote:I hate Zafar Hilali. well I hate almost all Pakistanis but this guy I hate more. He represents the Paki elite in a physical form. Filled with hate for Hindus, in suits and accent, talking as if knows what he is talking about but actually knows shit.
Just yesterday watched a video where he says- "Let's assume that the Hindu is speaking truth" about the Indian strikes, and not a single person on the panel objected. The hatred is bare for all to see. Lest anyone say on an Indian channel- "let's assume The Muslim is speaking the truth." There will be hell to pay.

chetak wrote:

anupmisra wrote:
aren't these sfridi's guys infamous for baccha baazi and chai boys??

will these afridi's pals guarding border be facing the other way in the time honored tradition of their afridi cultural ways??

Gagan wrote:What we are witnessing is the ridiculous and laughable extent to which the Pakistani Army is willing to go to avoid H&D loss and avoid overt war with India.
They are too unprepared economically / militarily, they are nook nude, they are afraid of internal subversion, the generals have learned that sacrificing foot soldiers a-la kargil will have negative consequences long term to their person - like the mushy case is teaching all the crore kammandus.
Take your pick.

I take this as a MASSIVE, BIG HUGE signal of weakness on the part of the Pak Fauj. This time around they have downhill skiied even before hostilities have begun - a new low even for them!
I can sense this.
I am sure all the various power centers in Pakistan and outside can see this.
The politicians in Pakistan can see this, the Jihadi groups in pakistan can see this.

Interesting times ahead I must say.

lol didnt know immy was punjabi

MohdKav wrote:

kittoo wrote:I hate Zafar Hilali. well I hate almost all Pakistanis but this guy I hate more. He represents the Paki elite in a physical form. Filled with hate for Hindus, in suits and accent, talking as if knows what he is talking about but actually knows shit.
Just yesterday watched a video where he says- "Let's assume that the Hindu is speaking truth" about the Indian strikes, and not a single person on the panel objected. The hatred is bare for all to see. Lest anyone say on an Indian channel- "let's assume The Muslim is speaking the truth." There will be hell to pay.

On the Arnab show, Another old idiot from Pakistan, called Tarek Fateh the son of Hanuman, on the show, and nobody said anything. Even the nuclear Arnab. Its all an effin show.

kittoo wrote:I hate Zafar Hilali. well I hate almost all Pakistanis but this guy I hate more. He represents the Paki elite in a physical form. Filled with hate for Hindus, in suits and accent, talking as if knows what he is talking about but actually knows shit.
Just yesterday watched a video where he says- "Let's assume that the Hindu is speaking truth" about the Indian strikes, and not a single person on the panel objected. The hatred is bare for all to see. Lest anyone say on an Indian channel- "let's assume The Muslim is speaking the truth." There will be hell to pay.

His forefathers were originally from Persia who fled the court of the last Shah of the Qajar dynasty of Iran in the 19th century for unknown reasons and settled in South India.

svinayak wrote:
US has created a $1B embassay in Pak. It can house 800 marines at any time.
Pak elite are really scared

chetak wrote: hilali is of iranian ancestry, first settled in south of India and then left for paki land. So this persian piece of shit, an acknowledged second class citizen in pakiland, takes great pleasure in spewing venom against a country which gave his family safe refuge.

unknown reasons can only mean embezzlement of funds, IMVHO.

from wiki

His forefathers were originally from Persia who fled the court of the last Shah of the Qajar dynasty of Iran in the 19th century for unknown reasons and settled in South India.

shiv wrote:As far as my personal view is concerned I must point out that it does not matter one bit whether a raid actually took place or not as long as the Armed forces and the Indian public by and large believe that a raid took place and the Pakistanis fall over themselves in denying the raid.

The national mood has changed from intense anger to one of gloating. What magic did that?

Y. Kanan wrote: After the next horrific terror attack, I look forward to our devastating phantom counter-strike, perhaps this time on ISI HQ itself. We'll blow them to metaphorical kingdom come.