Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

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Hari Seldon wrote:^^Also, Ahmedabad is quite literally called 'amdavad' by locals. No one really says the twister of a formal name anymore.
Allahabad is called elahabad by locals. People who know there history use it effectively.
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Rahul Mehta wrote: Reality is that BJP leaders are were in no mood to fight against EVMs.

Either they know that CIA has NOT rigged EVMs, or CIA convinced BJP leaders not to oppose EVMs.

Which is why BJP leaders never ever told about 65-candidate-loophole to BJP activists
Mehta ji there is a difference from posting a thoughts or speculations rumors or lets us say facts without proof on a forum
to uttering something publicly by a neta, as soon as any neta says EVM can be tampered he will be asked about the proof
and without solid proof the said neta along wih his party will hounded to end of the world for their crime against a Constitutional
authority, there are very many different methods to solve a problem this open fight is not one of the method.
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Evangelist Dhinakaran meets Narendra Modi - TOI

This is significant.
CHENNAI: Evangelist Paul Dhinakaran met Gujarat chief minister and BJP prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi at his office in Gandhinagar on Thursday. He prayed for Modi's prosperity and the welfare of the people. Paul is the son of the late evangelist D G S Dhinakaran and runs the evangelist ministry 'Jesus Calls'.

"The 15-minute meeting was cordial. The way he received me was overwhelming. I prayed for his mission for the people of our country. His policies and successful schemes for the people of Gujarat should be extended to everyone in our country," Dhinakaran, who is also the chancellor of Karunya University in Coimbatore, said.

Dhinakaran is the first popular personality hailing from a minority community in Tamil Nadu to meet Modi after he was declared the BJP's PM candidate.

Dhinakaran claimed he was praying for all sections of society. "I don't associate with any one section. I don't have any aversion to Modi. We have to support national leaders. My mission in life is praying. Normally I pray for our leaders... now Modi is at the altar of the national elections. So I prayed for him and assured to continue my prayers for him," he said.
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kmkraoind wrote:Evangelist Dhinakaran meets Narendra Modi - TOI

This is significant.
Wouldn't read much into it. A classic 'damned if you do...' situ for NM.

If he refused a meet with the EJ, the howls of 'bigotry' would render the air asunder. If he did, then the INC machinery would go into overdrive sowing FUD and trying to create divisions within NM's core votebase. IMO, NM has achieved a level of trust with his core votebase such that they're not going to be overly bothered with such empty symbolism. But oh, fully expect and brace up for the sriram sene, togadia and RM types will howl 'sellout' till kingdom come.
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Ummm... what are we worrying about? If EVMs are controlled by MNC and NM is an agent of MNC then I think we should be dancing right now? Where is my lungi... :lol:

Added later: We will soon know the actual verdict on EVMS after the 4 assembly election. So far nothing horrifying has happened to doubt EVMs. Even NM won with flying colors as late as 2012.
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Hari Seldon wrote:
kmkraoind wrote:Evangelist Dhinakaran meets Narendra Modi - TOI

This is significant.
Wouldn't read much into it. A classic 'damned if you do...' situ for NM.

If he refused a meet with the EJ, the howls of 'bigotry' would render the air asunder. If he did, then the INC machinery would go into overdrive sowing FUD and trying to create divisions within NM's core votebase. IMO, NM has achieved a level of trust with his core votebase such that they're not going to be overly bothered with such empty symbolism. But oh, fully expect and brace up for the sriram sene, togadia and RM types will howl 'sellout' till kingdom come.
Its significant, because these are first baby steps in bringing back these neo-converts back to Dharmic fold. As Atri and RajeshA had said, Indinization of faiths will accelerate if NaMo comes to power.
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Robert Kaplan with a worthwhile analysis: India's Tryst with Destiny
India could offer the world a signal electoral drama next spring, with geopolitical repercussions for the whole Eurasian rimland.
Modi is a hypnotic orator who, as one corporate executive after another has said, offers the best model of governance in a country rife with corruption and red tape. His actions in February 2002 have led him to be compared with Adolf Hitler, while his obsession with management details have led him to be compared with Lee Kuan Yew. Of course, Modi is neither. He is a new kind of hybrid politician: both media-savvy and manifestly ambitious. He is the first authentically charismatic Indian politician since Indira Gandhi -- the late grandmother of his opponent in next spring's election.
Rahul Gandhi is an empty vessel compared to Modi. Gandhi, despite being educated at elite schools, is close to ultimate power only because of his family name and connections, not because he is particularly brilliant. Compared to Modi, who rose on his own from truly humble beginnings, there is simply little original one can say about Gandhi.
If Modi succeeds, he will move India boldly out of the post-colonial Nehruvian era defined by an elite class friendly to socialism and indifferent to bureaucracy, however less and less so. But Modi is not likely to succeed: running India from New Delhi is not like running Gujarat from Gandhinagar. India is simply a vast assemblage of far-flung states with their own power structures and regional identities. The Indian system -- an upshot of India's geography -- is not friendly to dynamic change-agents with centralizing, dictatorial tendencies like Modi.

More likely is that whoever is elected will be defined by crises that impinge on India from Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, China, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh, combined with the usual drumroll of internal unrest. For reforming such a teeming, unruly, and diverse country like India is hard: Modi will certainly try; Gandhi might not even do that.
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ramana wrote:Where does one get Modi kurta? And a Modi cap?
There are many APites on BRF. So to let them know, Jade Blue has - who designs clothes for NM - recently opened its store in Hyd. Here is the list of their stores http://www.jadeblue.com/content/contactus.aspx
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subhamoy.das wrote:RG is claiming today that MMS is his political guru. This is far from truth. This is the second time he has rubbed salt in MMS in recent times. Either RG is plain dumb or publicly humiliating MMS to quit. The whole world knows the MMS is a AM and has entered parliament via a Assamese rajys sabha seat. He probably will not even get 10 votes if he stands in an election. Calling him a political guru is simply insulting him. Wonder why MMS has to keep taking it ..I mean why can he not simply quit!
It takes lot of courage to let go of wealth/power, especially when that comes thru servitude.
Naah. He is denying gaddi to RG. Dynasty badly wants him to resign. If he does, they will do all sort of dramabazi to tell people that look, we have removed the corrupt PM. Now the 'Yugpurush' has taken the charge of the ship so all will be fine. S Swami was right, the best thing MMS has done till date is not to resign. probably that is the reason that dynasty has not announced the election till date.
Hari Seldon wrote:What sacriliege...!

Seems Modi's speeches have made fans across the border in Pak as well... shiet!

http://m.amarujala.com/page.php?c=harya ... modi-s-fan
First sign of Aman Ki Aasha snake oil to lure incoming PM. But the man is not going to fall for it. That also means that ISI and CIA have figured out the wave. Good.
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^^ can MMS do something 'this late' that could put more nails into the Mafia family coffin?
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As per some analysts he is doing exactly that, albeit to save his own soul.
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kapilrdave wrote:Ummm... what are we worrying about? If EVMs are controlled by MNC and NM is an agent of MNC then I think we should be dancing right now? Where is my lungi... :lol:

Added later: We will soon know the actual verdict on EVMS after the 4 assembly election. So far nothing horrifying has happened to doubt EVMs. Even NM won with flying colors as late as 2012.
My theory is for EVM magic to happen, first fake surveys come out that tell people that the fight is very, very close. Then when Congress wins, people don't suspect EVMs. If surveys state ( :twisted: ) that BJP is clearly ahead and the reverse happens due to EVM magic then people would notice. Everything relies on flying under the radar and plausible deniability.
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Boss IMHO, if EVM magic happened, it happened in 2004. When everyone is screaming about it then it is unlikely. 2004 was the real shocker. This is not discounting one-offs but not large scale.
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kapilrdave wrote:As per some analysts he is doing exactly that, albeit to save his own soul.
mucho earlier had posted about team MMS and team queen bee,along with the palace intrigues to dislodge each other, MMS wants a legacy was promised it in the nuke deal but it did not happen
then came the lokpal bill queen bee just wanted it as a diverter from 2g and CWG MMS and then FM Dada wanted it passed then it was FDI in kirana bazar till date not a dime got invested now MMS is alone
all his maharathi have been derath the ordnance fiasco was supposed to have MMS beaten but like a true babu MMS is still there
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It is interesting that every time congis attempted the tactical brilliance they got the completely opposite result.

First they brought IG thinking she knew nothing about politics hence will do as the other senior leaders say. She was called “Goongi Gudiya” (dumb doll) by the senior leadership. In return they all got butchered.

Second they thought Rajiv had no knowledge of India, let alone Indian politics, hence he will do as the other senior leaders say. In return he dwarfed all other leaders and created statesman’s image for himself.

Third they thought the economy was in deep sh** so it was best to bring upon a soon-to-die PVNR as PM. On the contrary to their expectation, he ruled marvelously and thrown away all nehruvian thinking, heck his health also improved :mrgreen: .

When SG was unable to become PM she thought to put a puppet for herself. But the history was against her so she wanted a decidedly pliant and impotent watchman at helm. What better than a “soft spoken” babu who had only taken orders from his superiors throughout his life. He wouldn’t forget this unexpected obligation for his next 7 lives. Well, at least that’s what she thought. And in fact, it worked out to be very convenient for a long time. But when the puppet realized that he is being blamed for all the misdeeds of his handlers (post 2G) he started being assertive. And now that the big Chaiwala has come to the party, the movie has reached to its thrilling climax. Just like any good Hollywood thriller, once this movie reaches to ‘The End’ we will be able to see everything more clearly.
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Can someone tell me why President Pranab Mukherjee should adjust his calendar for Modi in Bihar?
After all, he is out and out, a Congress man.
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Neela wrote:Can someone tell me why President Pranab Mukherjee should adjust his calendar for Modi in Bihar?
After all, he is out and out, a Congress man.
And the President!
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Neela wrote:Can someone tell me why President Pranab Mukherjee should adjust his calendar for Modi in Bihar?
After all, he is out and out, a Congress man.
He is also Mota Bhai's man. (just a guess)
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^^+1, besides he is not the a$$ kissing variety of congi, thats why he got booted upwards in the first place (though I still think he ruined the economy, but then again, who knows how much was his doing and how much his compulsions).
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Pranab da comes from old school of politics from same era as PVNR and ABV , he is a loyal INC cadre but unlike the new age goons of INC he has some class.
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He was a Indira loyalist and a nationalist and hates the Italian lady and her son......
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Building ABVP in JNU – The Long Struggle

http://centreright.in/2013/10/building- ... -struggle/
It was in early nineties when a RSS Pracharak began to visit JNU campus on regular basis. He befriended a student who was quite influenced by the communist ideology. Dominance of communist ideology in JNU campus deservedly earned it the sobriquet – Kremlin on the bank of river Yamuna.

The RSS Prachark and student started to spend evenings discussing and defending their ideological beliefs – they would try to convince each other by sharing books and articles of respective ideologies. Those were the times when JNU used to be a place where presence of a RSS flag-bearer was equivalent to being a Jew in Nazi Germany. The RSS man continued his evening chats with his communist friend, a rare JNU student who didn’t mix ideology and human relationships.

One day the student invited the RSS pracharak for a dinner in his hostel. RSS Pracharak, who was in his Sangh attire and his friend took their plates and sat around a table where few students were having dinner. To the shock of RSS man and his friend, everybody eating there chose to leave the table. This was a scene directly from a feudal village where lower caste populace were not allowed to eat along with upper caste men and totally unexpected in an University which is in the heart of India’s capital and claims to be socially progressive. The friend of RSS man was so disgusted with this hypocrisy that he took a vow to fight against the communists. He became one of the first vocal voices of ABVP in JNU

ABVP was taking baby steps and grew in JNU campus slowly but steadily. Many high profile RSS leaders including Govindacharya started to visit the university and most of their meetings would be held in small 8X12 rooms meant for two room partners. ABVP which is also known as ‘Parishad’, decided to create an alternative space and this is why a distinct identity was created. Very basic steps, like differentiating themselves from the ‘attire’ of JNU students, were attempted. Given that sporting a dirty Kurta, along with torn jeans and slippers, became the trademark of any JNU student, ABVP cadres ensured that they would always tuck their shirts, turn up in a sartorially pleasing manner, and would never smoke or drink in public.

JNU had a huge pool of students who yearned to celebrate national festivals but they hesitated as no organization was there to make the first move. Left wingers mourned India’s Independence Day as a black day. In spite of JNU having a huge Bengali population, Durga Puja celebration was treated as communal. Bengali students would go to Chitaranjan Park to celebrate the festival but they would wipe the tilak before entering the campus. Parishad ensured that all these festivals were celebrated. Durga Puja Samiti was formed which was in itself a very long battle as Puja started in a room at Periyar hostel and now the times have changed as even AISA leaders can be seen taking prasad at Pooja Pandal where hundreds of students gather for evening aarti.

As Parishad kept evolving in the campus, Left used same modus operandi, tried and tested in Bengal and Kerala, to suppress it. The techniques include political violence, social boycott, threats to ruin the career, public humiliation, character assassination, wrath of prejudiced professors and vicious rumor mongering about Parishad leaders mainly among girl students.

A very decent history scholar, who planned to contest for JNUSU president post, was maligned by rumors that he beats his girlfriend, which was strongly denied by him and his girlfriend. The student was so hurt that he chose not to contest election. Any movement can never succeed without support of women, as their active participation gives strength and conviction to the movement.

Keeping this in mind, ABVP started to nurture many women student leaders, but it faced massive resistance from the leftist forces unable to countenance this. They would do weird things like calling the parents of the girl student, putting peer pressure in the girl’s hostel and if girl would not give up, every form of intimidation was used. All this was done to stop the growth of ABVP in the University campus

JNU campus always had a right wing vote base which was aimlessly drifting in absence of any nationalist student wing and most of them preferred to remain apolitical in campus or they would create movements like ‘free thinker group’ which would not last for more than a few years. Most of the science schools were known for strong right wing support – the reason why spontaneous movements like Youth for Equality or India against Corruption got huge support from science streams in JNU.

After arrival of ABVP in the campus, the nationalist movement took proper shape and every communist act were spiritedly challenged.Leftist forces used to revel in inviting Kashmiri extremists, extending open support to Naxal armed struggle, opposing any economic policies which would help India in long run, supporting Chinese government, and providing a platform for Pakistani elite to ridicule India. One such incident had happened when a Pakistani poet was bad mouthing about India and an Army personnel was present there. He opposed what he perceived to be a treacherous act and instead of letting him have his say, the Army man was badly beaten by the leftist goons.

Parishad activists were often manhandled by communist thugs to demoralize them. Being weak in numbers, ABVP had to lick its wounds and remain silent. Best example of such communist thuggery can be seen in Kerala where ABVP leaders are killed without any fear of law. By mid-nineties, ABVP emerged stronger and cadre base grew. A big chunk of students from Sainik school tilaiya cleared JNU exams. This is the time when ABVP could stop the violence of left groups by showing numerical strength and this is how ABVP activists stopped being apologetic about their ideology. Continuous intimidation by left wing started to get strong retaliation and left wing recognized hesitantly that ABVP was going to stay in the Campus.

Parishad began to win few school level councilor seats and the tally kept growing. By late nineties, ABVP was winning union seats except JNUSU president post. Oriya community produced many Parishad leaders and Oriya students would vote across ideological lines for any Oriya candidate. Many students from Orissa were elected on different union posts on ABVP ticket. Bihar and UP students were strongly challenging Left by giving a huge cadre support to Parishad. RSS had already started to run two Shakhas in JNU campus and several students were participating in these Shakhas.

Prominent RSS officials visited JNU every year on Guru Dakhsina Karyakrams and no event or activity, which provided platform to subversive elements, went unchallenged. This is the time when communists started to feel the heat and student politics began to change. Before the arrival of ABVP, there used to have every hue and colour of communism present in JNU campus, which was now forced to merge into a single voice to remain relevant in the campus.

SFI used to be strong with its Bengali support as majority of economics, political science and sociology students come from presidency college Kolkata. AISF then emerged and it served as a lobby group for Muslim community in JNU campus. AISA espoused far left ideology as it was the student wing of CPI (ML). It gained popularity after its Leader Chandra Shekhar, also known as Chandu, was killed by RJD MP Syed Shahabuddin. CPI (ML) was the only organisation which had courage to stand against the terror unleashed by Shahabuddin. Chandrashekhar was working tirelessly in Siwan. (Till date, his mother is the flag bearer of CPI (ML) there .The era of terror is long gone after the fall of Lalu Raj.) The protest demonstration that was held in front of Bihar Bhavan was not only about the mobilization of AISA activists only but whole JNU student community. AISA found a martyr in Chandu.

There were few other student organizations like DSU and PSU which used to talk openly of armed struggle against Indian state. JNU has provided a veritable supply chain of Maoist and communist leaders. The most prominent JNU alumni include Prakash Karat, Sitaram Yechury and Baburam Bhattarai. Bhattarai was one of the top two leaders of Maoist movement in Nepal which overthrew the Kingdom.

As the ABVP got stronger, and left parties started to loose seats, they were forced to unite and coalitions were formed. SFI and AISF chose to contest together on seat sharing basis. All this started in 2002 when Sandeep Mahapatra won the JNUSU president seat by only one vote on ABVP ticket. By this victory of one vote, the discourse of JNU changed forever. Campus, which used to debate on several interpretations of left ideology, was now divided into distinct ideological compartments – the left and the right.

2002 was also a landmark year in JNU history as ABVP invited Shri Ashok Singhal of Vishwa Hindu Parishad for the Guru Dakshina Karyakram and more than 600 cadres participated in the event. Whole leftist student community joined together to protest his visit. ABVP had by now decisively forced the left to squeeze itself into a limited space.

JNU has a history of not allowing Indian politicians in the campus. The list of such leaders is long. Indira Gandhi was not allowed to enter JNU campus, Lal Krishna Advani was stopped at JNU gate. But it has also tradition of inviting Naxal leaders in post dinner mess meetings. When Parishad began to protest the lectures of those, who are identified with subversive forces working against the unity of India, Left wing cried foul and the prime logic was ‘freedom of expression’. Arundhati Roy was shouted down when she told that Indian Army is army of rapists. The same left which had not allowed even Indira Gandhi who was PM of India, to use her freedom of expression was advocating for it. Such is the communist hypocrisy. AISA JNUSU president refused to give a bouquet to APJ Abdul Kalam when he visited JNU.

ManMohan Singh, who is professor emeritus in JNU economics department, was shown black flag as he supposedly represented the state, against which these communists want to have an armed struggle. Left’s shocking hypocrisy was on display when Sitaram Yechury denied that Chinese students were brutally suppressed in Tiananmen Square and called it a capitalist propaganda. ABVP ensured that many top BJP leaders including Arun Jaitley, Rajnath Singh, Ravi Shankar Prasad were invited to JNU for public talks and these programs always attracted huge gathering.

By 2003, SFI and AISF were contesting together but due to dissension within ABVP, it stood divided. A rebel group announced the formation of a breakaway unit and ABVP State unit could not handle the situation well. Several reasons explained this divide. Sangathan Mantri, who was an appointee of RSS, was not as ideologically sound as the students of JNU. ABVP had most of its cadre base from foreign language school as they were young and energetic but most of the leaders came from history and International studies departments. If one goes through the NCERT curriculum, JNU left has a strong control over it.

JNU history department professors rule the roost but few students were challenging these professors in their own bastion. ‘Yuva Itihaskar Manch’ was challenging left interpretation of Indian History regularly in History department seminars, debates and discussions. This group of ‘Yuva Itihaskar Manch’ needed to be dealt well and it could be have been used to nurture the talent which would have formed an intellectual nucleus of those seeking to correct the distorted history in future but higher authorities of ABVP Delhi state erred at this moment. A small group joined NSUI in frustration, ABVP performed badly in 2003 but consolation was that ABVP was still having a strong cadre base. Activists with no political ambition were humiliated due to the defeat in 2003 and they chose to fight back in 2004 elections.

JNU has a very unique tradition of organizing Admission assistance camps. It is unique as assistance doesn’t stop at admission process which is very hectic and includes a lot of running around several centers, JNU students accommodate the freshers in their small rooms till they don’t have their hostel rooms allotted. This helps the students as most of them are from economically weak background but at the same time, it helps the student organizations to impact the thinking of the new students and this is how new activists are cultivated.

JNU campus is a cultural shock for many newcomers as they have never experienced an open environment were girls can roam freely at night without fear, post dinner processions happen with full throated sloganeering, everyday debates are staged on world affairs over a cup of tea, beautifully handcrafted student union posters are used for electioneering, teachers ask their students to address them by names, presidential speeches and debates are conduced as part of election campaign, dance parties are organised freshers, no concept of ragging exists and many theater groups asking students to join them, Air conditioned libraries and classrooms, are seen by many students coming from village background for the first time. All these things induce a sense of grandeur in the mind of newcomers.

ABVP used the same system and actively worked for admission assistance and many new students participated in organisational activities. 2004 elections again proved that ABVP had a strong presence in JNU campus. There were incidents that were responsible for the upsurge as few weeks before the JNUSU elections, S.A.R Geelani was invited for an evening talk. He was accused in parliament attack case but acquitted on technical ground.He is still very actively involved in Kashmiri secessionist movement .

ABVP decided to oppose the event and all other left parties including NSUI which is student wing of Congress, stood against ABVP again with the logic of ‘Freedom of expression’. We always see how the human rights is always valid for terrorists,dreaded criminals and anti-nationals but not for their victims. Young students in age group of 18-20 years literally chased away the car of Nandita Haskar. Geelani hid himself inside the car, which he later denied. Campus was once again sharply polarised in to left vs right. Many newcomers, who were being indoctrinated by left and NSUI, could not reconcile to such open invitation to Kashmiri separatist leaders and chose to be part of ABVP.

2004 elections was also notable as it was for the first time a bus load of police personnel had to come inside the campus during elections. The whole issue started with a small incident when a senior ABVP leader, who is now working as a professor in Auckland University now, raised the issue that voting hours were over and hence nobody should be allowed to enter the school building. Most of the late voters used to be from a certain religion. They would vote tactically after fathoming which way the wind was was blowing. Around twenty ABVP activists tried to block the gate. JNUSU election committee closed the gate and voting continued for those who were already inside the building.

A strong rumour went out that Parishad activists were beating SFI leaders and a crowd of 200 SFI supporters came to School of language gate, broke it and entered with tube lights, chains etc in their hands to teach a lesson to Parishad. ABVP had few girls contesting for councillor posts and they had to be hidden to protect from this violent attack. ABVP was outnumbered as it used to happen earlier and many parishad activists had to be hospitalised. This infuriated the ABVP base in JNU and later on, for almost 3 days no SFI leader came out of school building which was surrounded by police men, fearing retaliation.

Most of them went in hiding for weeks and ABVP won most of the councillor seats and one joint secretary seat. Parishad lost presidential seat but got many more votes on each seat than the past and could be defeated only by tactical voting of left wing. ABVP victory procession was much bigger than the SFI procession as nobody from SFI came out. Left tactics is clear, when numerically strong, they attack physically, if less in numbers, they talk of democratic traditions and ethos. JNU is a sample case of communist doublespeak all over the world.

Post elections, ABVP activists were upbeat and wanted a Parishad JNU Unit president and team chosen by popular will of cadres but as the RSS tradition goes, the decision had to come from the above. The higher authorities failed again to read the minds of activists and ABVP got divided. 18 Persons who were at the root of the extra-ordinary performance of 2004 were suspended and another organization called JNU patriotic front was formed by them as these activists could not compromise with their ideology.This resulted in two organisations with similar nationalist ideology inside JNU. JPF proved to be a very strong cadre based organisation which was more aggressive due to its younger crowd. ABVP remained with senior Phd students but they could not shout louder, nor they could resist the communist crowd.

2005 elections were fought by both ABVP and JPF separately. Relations between ABVP and JPF turned so bitter that when ABVP leaders, tried to protest against Brinda Karat for her remarks on Ramdev, to maintain the relevance of Parishad, they were chased away by SFI and few of them were beaten. No JPF cadre supported Parishad but on the same night, one JPF cadre was slapped by SFI cadres and JPF ensured that they found the SFI president the same night and slapped by that cadre – to give a message that manhandling of their cadre will be strongly retaliated. In the mean while, one JNUSU Presidential candidate of SFI blamed a cadre of JPF of sexual harassment which was often used by left to pin down ABVPsupporters.

The student who had completed his course was declared out of bounds of JNU campus and thus 6 JPF boys sat on indefinite hunger strike to revoke the order. The strike continued for 5 days and after few of them were unable to maintain the will to not eat for 6th day and their health was deteriorating JNU administration negotiated with striking students and issue was resolved, but the concerned student was still out of bounds.

JPF decided to avenge this false accusation and at the time of 2005 elections, many supporters of JPF voted for AISA presidential candidate Mona Das. SFI candidate Sona Mitra, who allegedly used sexual harassment as a political tool, was defeated and lesson was taught to her and SFI. As it happens with organisations that have no organized system, JPF faded away.

Parishad had to be revived but in 2006, UPA introduced ruling for OBC reservations, Youth for equality was formed which attracted a huge cadre base from a host of student bodies including ABVP. ABVP lost badly in the elections.By next year Lygdoh commission forced JNU to introduce certain rules for JNUSU elections. Lyngdoh commission was formed to clean student politics. It had appreciated JNUSU for no use of money, alcohol etc but certain rules like age limit were not suitable for JNU as most of the student leaders were Ph.D. scholars. This led to JNUSU elections being stopped for few years.This depoliticized JNU and most of the ABVP leaders passed out and new team could not be developed.

SFI was divided as their central leadership supported UPA but Prasenjit Bose took a position against it and as a result, he was suspended. His team formed another group which contested till this year and this is how AISA, which used to struggling, came back in reckoning and it is winning JNUSU elections continuously. Iftar Parties are organised in every hostel and every student is charged the extra mess bill but AISA opposes celebration of Janmashtami Pooja in hostel mess after dinner time! just because it would hurt ‘sentiments’. The combination of Bolshevik and Shariat can be seen in the double standards followed by these communists. The illegitimate child of this combo is the ideology which is followed bylLikes of Javed Akhtar or Mani Shankar Aiyyar

NSUI is hardly relevant in the context of JNU has it has been unable to convince JNU students despite humongous money power – it simply as no ideological convictions. One notable leader of NSUI who climbed political ladder is Ashok Tanwar who came in good books of Amit Jogi when he was studying in JNU and now he is MP from Haryana and strong contender for Congress State president post. But NSUI could never gather more than 200-300 votes.

The winning methodology of left parties has changed drastically as JNU has 3 departments (Arabic, Persian and Urdu) which attract students from Madarsa background in big numbers. This vote bank is used for tactical voting. Apart from voting tactically, these centers have failed completely in creating job options – many of the ex-students from these centres are running Dhaba, grocery stores, typing thesis of aspiring PhD students, and don’t be surprised if some day some autowallah tells you that he was a JNU student as many Urdu Centre alumnus are forced to run autos due to lack of job opportunities.

Hindi Centre has been hijacked by communist professors like Manager Pandey, Namwar Singh and Purushottam Aggarwal. The stranglehold is such that they have completely suppressed the nationalist literature of poets like Ramdhari Singh Dinkar but these professors have been blamed several times of being casteist in their approach. JNU is witness to left hypocrisy where seminars on poverty are held and speakers talk of hunger after eating a mouth watering plate of Gajar Halwa. Left ideology has diluted and Durga Puja is celebrated with lot of joy which was a huge issue earlier.

Murli Manohar Joshi, who was HRD Minister in NDA regime, started Centre for Sanskrit studies and this Centre was strongly opposed by all communist student groups and this step was projected as promotion of black magic and superstition. At the time of Deepawali, all hostels are decorated by students as tradition was started by ABVP activists. In past, Diwali night seemed like a mourning night with darkness all around. Students who wear clean clothes are not treated as outsiders any more. Language students earn money through freelancing and this has brought prosperity in campus, many new motor cycles are being bought and cars are not a big deal any more

One thing that is most important to mobilize activists for any organisation is slogan shouting, catchy slogans that incite the students. Some popular ones, I would like to mention.

1. Chor chor mausere Bhai, AISF-SFI.

2. Abki hogi Kiski Pitayi- AISF-SFI.

3.Ho-ho-ho chi Minh Bharat chhodo jao chin.

4. Chao-Mao jo kehte ho to Bharat me kyun rehte ho.

5. The Communists frustrated shall always be defeated. (sing it)

6. The parishad united shall always be victorious.

7. Na maowad na jaatiwad, sabsey upar Rashtravad.

8. Gyaan sheel ekta, Parishad ki visheshta.

9. Vampanth ki kabr khudegi, JNU ki dharti par.

10. Kashmir ho ya Guwahati, Apna Desh apni maati.

11. China ke dalalon ko ek dhakka Aur do.

12. Prakash karat ko bhejo mail, SFI ki ho gayi tel.



The slogan that was used to convey the message to left that Parishad was not going to be intimidated anymore was ‘ haarenge to hurenge, Aur jeetenge to thurenge’ which loosely means that we will beat the communists in both cases either we loose or we gain.There are many more slogans which continue to attract students towards Parishad.

Notable ABVP leaders from JNU are now working at several important positions.Nirmala Sitharaman is national spokesperson of BJP( not sure if she was active for ABVP though), Dr. Manish Kumar who is editor in Chauthi Duniya and active on twitter was from Sainik school tilaiya and an active ABVP leader, Ashok Sharma is professor in Auckland university Newzeland, Vikash Pathak covers BJP beat for Hindustan Times, Shiv Shakti Nath Bakshi is editor of Kamal Sandesh (BJP magazine), Swadesh Singh is office secretary of BJYM, D.D Gautam is media in charge of BJP SC Morcha, Sunil Mohanti is pracharak of RSS in Arunachal Pradesh, Siddharth Rai is working as reporter in Hindustan Times Gurgaon.

Editor and sub-editor of RSS publication panchajanya are from JNU, many of JNU parishad team are working as professors in several renowned universities in India and abroad, many of them are journalists and well placed in several news organisations, Sandeep Mahapatra, the only ABVP JNUSU president till date, is working as supreme court lawyer, Irfan khan is heading development projects for a notable NGO, Many are working in Indian Administrative, police and foreign services. Many ABVP activists are successful in their career and supporting nationalist ideology at several platforms. Bangalore IT sector has a huge community from JNU foreign language schools. This list doesn’t include every notable name but it gives an example as how ABVP presence in JNU is important and needs to be maintained as this university produces intellectuals which the Right wing needs badly.
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Perhaps, the whole issue is a media creation. That the president would stay in a state longer that necessary. For what reason? Especially when his doing so will be seen as blatantly political.

Someone of his skill, will see the trap from a mile away and take steps to avoid it. Not doing so will damage his credibility for actions post 2014.
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muraliravi wrote: I dont understand why pranav and a lot of others are so worried about evm. If BJP has info (which i am sure it has, and if they dont, but even if they have a hunch) that evm's are tamperable, then heck put the 64 candidates like swamy is suggesting instead of crying day in and day out. It should he quite easy for a party like BJP to put 64*400(seats where they fancy chances)= 25600 candidates.

My guess is it costs rs 1 lakh for a cand to register for election as an independent. so that 25600 * 1 lakh = 256 crores.

Are you telling me that BJP cannot afford 256 crores to ensure a ballot box.
Anyway each seat will have 14-15 candidates, so average bjp has to manage 50 candidates per seat.
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It all looks great and it gives quite a warm fuzzy feeling when the president adjusts his calendar for Modi in bihar.
But look at his colleagues - PC, MMS, Shinde ...none of them are saints. Chances are he isnt either.
And if Pranab indeed does hate the Italian and the feeling was/is mutual, then why hasnt Kesari's fate befallen upon him?
Something isnt right with this.
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^^^ Even if BJP does fields 64 candidates for each constituency, what happens after that? It is not like you can manufacture lakhs of EVMs with paper trail in a month. Will the govt tenure be stretched?
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^^ Doesn;t have to field 64 in ea ch constituency. Only those seats where competition is expected to be stiff and dirty tricks can be deployed with plausible deniability. I'd say that'd be about 200 seats max. Only.
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no need to field, as SS says , just field independents
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New model EVMs have capacity up to 512 candidates, if I recall correctly. They changed the design after TRS exploited the loophole in Andhra.
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Pranav wrote:New model EVMs have capacity up to 512 candidates, if I recall correctly. They changed the design after TRS exploited the loophole in Andhra.
BTW, folks who are actually willing to act on the EVM issue should align their efforts with "Technology Transparency Foundation", which is a new organization modeled on the Electronic Frontier Foundation of the US. Apparently, they are planning continue with the legal fight. Welcome to send email to pranav dot brf at gmail for more info.
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Pranav wrote:New model EVMs have capacity up to 512 candidates, if I recall correctly. They changed the design after TRS exploited the loophole in Andhra.
Doesn't every new model or change to the EVM be approved/agreed upon by contesting political parties before they can be put to use??
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Rahul Mehta: Reality is that BJP leaders are were in no mood to fight against EVMs. Either they know that CIA has NOT rigged EVMs, or CIA convinced BJP leaders not to oppose EVMs. Which is why BJP leaders never ever told about 65-candidate-loophole to BJP activists

noran: Mehta ji there is a difference from posting a thoughts or speculations rumors or lets us say facts without proof on a forum
to uttering something publicly by a neta, as soon as any neta says EVM can be tampered he will be asked about the proof
and without solid proof the said neta along wih his party will hounded to end of the world for their crime against a Constitutional
authority, there are very many different methods to solve a problem this open fight is not one of the method.
I show Hari Prasad video . After that, I statement that "CIA replaced display when EVMs were being sent from Banglaore to Ahmedabad or Mumbai or wherever in trucks". That is simple for CIA, as EC uses private companies to move EVMs on tender basis. So CIA filed cheapest tender and got trucking contracts. And then CIA agents displays were changes in the trucks. This convinces more than 90% people that paper is better than EVM. If apex leaders dont want to come directly, then they can create a some front and use that. But BJP till date has not even tried to combat EVMs, and not even any party.

In fact, no channel in India is willing show to Haro Prasad video !! I visited offices of about 40 channels in Ahmadabad, giving them DVDs and showing the video on my portable DVD-player. None showed the Hari Prasad video !! They said that they have orders from head offices not to raise EVM issue. Even Sudarshan channel hasnt dared to show this video and raise EVM issue so far. Same must be true for parties. They have orders from someone very high not to raise EVM issue. And btw, are you saying that BJP leaders are afraid of paid-media? I thought they were all lions !!
kapilrdave wrote:Ummm... what are we worrying about?

1. If EVMs are controlled by MNC and NM is an agent of MNC then I think we should be dancing right now? Where is my lungi... :lol:

2. We will soon know the actual verdict on EVMS after the 4 assembly election. So far nothing horrifying has happened to doubt EVMs. Even NM won with flying colors as late as 2012.
2. CIA will NOT waste EVM-manipulating capabilities in Assembly election. Because if CIA manipulates EVMs again and again , then it gets too obvious. So CIA used it in LS-2004 and in LS-2009 and not in Assemblies or Corporations.

1. I am not worried about NaMo. I am worried about CIA's hold over vote in EVMs. Using that hold, they will force NaMo to give tix to pro-MNC-candidates.

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kapilrdave wrote: Even if BJP does fields 64 candidates for each constituency, what happens after that? It is not like you can manufacture lakhs of EVMs with paper trail in a month. Will the govt tenure be stretched?
If 65 candidates are placed, then elections will be done using paper ballot. The collector's manual says so. As real example, TRS staged 70 candidates in some 8 seats in 12 assembly by-elections in oct-2010. Collector used paper ballots in those seats . BJP-leaders or SS DO NOT give this oct-2010 example to their volunteers.

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Pranav wrote:New model EVMs have capacity up to 512 candidates, if I recall correctly. They changed the design after TRS exploited the loophole in Andhra.
I dont think even 1% of EVMs are new EVMs. Also, ballot unit has only 16 buttons. And so they will need too many ballot units. They cant meet requirement soon.

I am also asking voters who oppose EVMs to order MPs via SMS to change People Representation Act to ban EVM. Lets see how far that goes.
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http://ceo.maharashtra.gov.in/Evm.html

What happens if the number of candidates in a constituency goes beyond 64?

In that case the EVM cannot be used in the constituency and the electoral authorities will have to revert to the conventional method of using ballot papers.


I think there should be a push from BJP supporters to force BJP into this mode. Let them force a ballot.
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I wouldn't read too much into Pranab's rescheduling of his trip. He was/is part of the same setup which dragged India to this drain. These actions are merely for public consumption so that he get's to keep his "independent" image and since he is also a seasoned politician knows very well who has caught the public's fancy. Plus an out and out acceptance of Nitish's invitation could have signalled an alliance between INC and JD(U) which they would want to keep under wraps.
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Rama Rajya NOT Rome Rajya!
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BJP prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi’s remark that he was a ‘Hindu nationalist’ stirred a debate earlier this year, but the Jammu and Kashmir high court has ruled that any person claiming affiliation with any form of religious nationalism shall be barred from contesting elections.

“In our constitutional scheme, a citizen of India is only an Indian. No person can claim himself to be a Hindu nationalist, Muslim nationalist, Sikh nationalist, Buddhist nationalist or a Christian nationalist,” justice Muzaffar Hussain Attar said in the ruling on Thursday.

“The constitutional provision is loud and clear (about it) and in unambiguous terms forbids using such expression,” he added.

Justice Attar said a very serious and potential threat is posed to the very existence of the idea of India by “the fringe elements, who take cover under various types of ‘isms’ other than Indianism”.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... 33976.aspx
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Pranab has his controllers who can pull his leash.
The key is the devastation of the economy which hurts business interests in their pocket books. The politicains ill looot more to make up the delta.

Try to do a network on Pranab Mukherjee and it might show up.
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ramana wrote:Pranab has his controllers who can pull his leash.
The key is the devastation of the economy which hurts business interests in their pocket books. The politicians ill loot more to make up the delta.

Try to do a network on Pranab Mukherjee and it might show up.
This is the best post of the day. The Indian industry giants and conglomerates are sick of UPA, they had a good run from 2004-09, now they are ready to pull the plug on congress and they are in Modi's side of the court now. Pranab is being told by them what to do. Dont forget Bihar is one of the 2 battleground states for modi in the next election. They need to hit the 20-25 seat mark there.

Just the alarming manufacturing growth dip should be enough indicator for the industry bigwigs to ditch UPA. I will not be surprised if they can ensure that nitish also does not align with congress. if that happens and they can ensure a 4 way contest in bihar, its BJP all the way.
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Hari Seldon wrote: Wouldn't read much into it. A classic 'damned if you do...' situ for NM.

If he refused a meet with the EJ, the howls of 'bigotry' would render the air asunder. If he did, then the INC machinery would go into overdrive sowing FUD and trying to create divisions within NM's core votebase. IMO, NM has achieved a level of trust with his core votebase such that they're not going to be overly bothered with such empty symbolism. But oh, fully expect and brace up for the sriram sene, togadia and RM types will howl 'sellout' till kingdom come.
Hari garu....."Core votebase" is evolving no? And who is the core base? Those are the important questions Modi's war room must have asked and addressed million times.
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muraliravi wrote:http://ceo.maharashtra.gov.in/Evm.html

What happens if the number of candidates in a constituency goes beyond 64?

In that case the EVM cannot be used in the constituency and the electoral authorities will have to revert to the conventional method of using ballot papers.


I think there should be a push from BJP supporters to force BJP into this mode. Let them force a ballot.
Let Modi know in his email. He will take this into account
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