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Posted: 15 Dec 2017 19:06
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Earlier in India Russia's deputy foreign minister Sergey Ryabkov was reported as indicating that Russia was not for a criteria-based approach for inclusion of non-NPT states in NSG . Clearly that was not the case:Russia not opposed to Pakistan’s NSG candidature: envoy
ISLAMABAD: Russia is not opposed to Pakistan’s Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) candidature and has no intention to block it, Russian envoy Pavel Didkovsky told a conference in Islamabad on Friday.
Speaking at the seminar on ‘Disarmament, Non-Proliferation and Strategic Stability’ that had been organised by Strategic Vision Institute (SVI), Pavel Didkovsky, first secretary at Russian Embassy, underlined the possibility of a criteria-based approach for inclusion of non-NPT states in NSG. ……………………….
Pakistan Today
India will do well to take the following part of Ryabakov’s statement with an ocean load of salt:NEW DELHI: Even as China continues to stall India's Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) membership+ , Russia has come out strongly in support of India saying that India's application cannot be "interlinked" with that of Pakistan and that Moscow is discussing the issue with Beijing at different levels. China has favoured a criteria-based approach for expansion of the 48-member group, which controls international nuclear commerce, instead of one based on merit, in what India sees an attempt to draw a false equivalence between India's case and Pakistan's.
The issue again came up for discussion on Wednesday as Russia's deputy foreign minister Sergey Ryabkov met foreign secretary S Jaishankar. "We recognise that at the moment there is no unanimity on Pakistan's application and that the same cannot be interlinked with India's," said Ryabkov, after his meeting with Jaishankar.
This is probably the first time that a top Russian diplomat has publicly drawn attention to the futility of juxtaposing the 2 cases. "We know about the difficulties involved but unlike some other countries, who only speak, we are making practical efforts...we are discussing it with China at different levels,'' he added.
Times Of India
While Ryabkov admitted that Russia was looking to build ties with Pakistan, a country he described as taking great interest in multilateral forums, he said Russia had no ``hidden agenda'' in its dealings with Islamabad. ``I can assure you that Russia's ties with no country in the world will come at the expense of its relationship with India,'' said Ryabkov.
Times Of India
Russia would more likely behave like an ex lover !! .. difficult to let go and has a long historyarun wrote:X Posted from the India-Russia: News & Analysis thread.
Regards the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG), the stench of Russian duplicity hangs heavy in the air.
In the Terrorist Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan Russia’s envoy says Russia supports criteria-based approach for inclusion of non-NPT states in NSG which is the Peoples Republic of China stratagem to to block India by promoting the Islamic Republic’s candidature.
Earlier in India Russia's deputy foreign minister Sergey Ryabkov was reported as indicating that Russia was not for a criteria-based approach for inclusion of non-NPT states in NSG . Clearly that was not the case:Russia not opposed to Pakistan’s NSG candidature: envoy
ISLAMABAD: Russia is not opposed to Pakistan’s Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) candidature and has no intention to block it, Russian envoy Pavel Didkovsky told a conference in Islamabad on Friday.
Speaking at the seminar on ‘Disarmament, Non-Proliferation and Strategic Stability’ that had been organised by Strategic Vision Institute (SVI), Pavel Didkovsky, first secretary at Russian Embassy, underlined the possibility of a criteria-based approach for inclusion of non-NPT states in NSG. ……………………….
Pakistan Today
India will do well to take the following part of Ryabakov’s statement with an ocean load of salt:NEW DELHI: Even as China continues to stall India's Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) membership+ , Russia has come out strongly in support of India saying that India's application cannot be "interlinked" with that of Pakistan and that Moscow is discussing the issue with Beijing at different levels. China has favoured a criteria-based approach for expansion of the 48-member group, which controls international nuclear commerce, instead of one based on merit, in what India sees an attempt to draw a false equivalence between India's case and Pakistan's.
The issue again came up for discussion on Wednesday as Russia's deputy foreign minister Sergey Ryabkov met foreign secretary S Jaishankar. "We recognise that at the moment there is no unanimity on Pakistan's application and that the same cannot be interlinked with India's," said Ryabkov, after his meeting with Jaishankar.
This is probably the first time that a top Russian diplomat has publicly drawn attention to the futility of juxtaposing the 2 cases. "We know about the difficulties involved but unlike some other countries, who only speak, we are making practical efforts...we are discussing it with China at different levels,'' he added.
Times Of India
While Ryabkov admitted that Russia was looking to build ties with Pakistan, a country he described as taking great interest in multilateral forums, he said Russia had no ``hidden agenda'' in its dealings with Islamabad. ``I can assure you that Russia's ties with no country in the world will come at the expense of its relationship with India,'' said Ryabkov.
Times Of India
" dangerous / not good for the world " was what he meant .. Nehru wanted to be a "world" statesman not an Indian statesman ., the Mahatma knew that well., while Bose was the other extreme patriot . Nehru was in a way responsible for the "democratic" ideals that shaped quite a bit of Indian foreign policy that is now slowly being rewritten., the republican ideals were diluted quite a bit. Wonder how history would have played out if it was Bose who became PM !!Kashi wrote:X-post from the Tracking India's Membership...thread
It appears that a formal offer was indeed made to Nehru for a seat at the UN P5 and Nehru turned down the "American bait"![]()
When Nehru Refused American Bait on a Permanent Seat for India at the UN
Letters between Nehru and India’s ambassador in the US shed light on his stand that while India was “certainly entitled to a permanent seat in the security council,” it would be dangerous for this to come at the cost of China.![]()
An excerpt from one of Nehru's letter to his sister whoa was the Indian ambassador to the US
Do read the whole articleIn your letter you mention that the State Department is trying to unseat China as a Permanent Member of the Security Council and to put India in her place. So far as we are concerned, we are not going to countenance it. That would be bad from every point of view. It would be a clear affront to China and it would mean some kind of a break between us and China. I suppose the state department would not like that, but we have no intention of following that course. We shall go on pressing for China’s admission in the UN and the Security Council. I suppose that a crisis will come during the next sessions of the General Assembly of the UN on this issue. The people’s government of China is sending a full delegation there. If they fail to get in there will be trouble which might even result in the USSR and some other countries finally quitting the UN. That may please the State Department, but it would mean the end of the UN as we have known it. That would also mean a further drift towards war.
I wonder what other skeletons are hiding in the closet
Check how one of the participants TCA Raghavan behaved when he was posted in Porkistan.chetak wrote:slimy worm infested guest list.abhijitm wrote:Congress is partying, dining with pakistanis is out in open on front page of every goddamn newspaper in india. People do not read headlines they read between the lines.
did the discussions center on Indo pak peace process or the Indo pak piece process??
the only side taken by the entire bunch of track thoo morons, no matter which side of the border their homes are is the paki side and its always against India.Vips wrote:Xposted from Terroristan thread:
Check how one of the participants TCA Raghavan behaved when he was posted in Porkistan.chetak wrote:
slimy worm infested guest list.
did the discussions center on Indo pak peace process or the Indo pak piece process??
One had occasion to meet the former Indian High Commissioner to Pakistan, T.C.A. Raghavan, in Lahore. He came across as a moderate person allergic to hard positions and willing to understand when his Pakistani interlocutors fly off the handle.(Meaning able and ready to keep taking shit from pakistan)
In short there is a pattern where Track Thoo participants from Indian side selected are pliant and of such a mental state that they would be ready to make compromises (Vacating Siachen, Visa regime to be diluted, keeping the talks going on even if pakistan indulges and promotes terrorism in India).
Watching the NDTV/Republic TV talk show about the meeting in Aiyars house it is clear to what extent Pro Pakis these participants are. It is in your face paki agenda pushing in the name of democratic right and freedom of expression. It is sickening.
Ajay Shukla and Rahul Singh are the worst. Their congress bhakti is to be heard and seen. Rahul Singh made a complete spectacle of himself when he kept claiming it was a Private dinner and then had to admit that everybody including Mickey Mouse Singh made some sort of presentation before his lordship Kasuri on how to improve India pakistan relationship in the current environment (meaning how to take care of the Modi rule).
Check the list of the participant in the Viper abode:
We know these are all pro pakistanis:
-Aiyar, Ansari, Natwar Singh, Shukla, Raghavan, Lambah, Bhadrakumar, Prem Shankar Jha, Rahul Singh.
-Not sure about Gharekhan, Salman Haider, KS Bjapai and Deepak Kapoor.
-Not want to mention anything about Manmohan Singh as the less said about him the better.
High time the good people of Balochistan are helped and saved from genocide. Also high time prosecutions in the scams of the previous government start. This is a serious attempt at building a quisling column in India as part of Pak tactical brilliance. This is treason - conspiracy by Congress to remove a democratically elected government by collaboration with the enemy.chetak wrote:the only side taken by the entire bunch of track thoo morons, no matter which side of the border their homes are is the paki side and its always against India.Vips wrote:Xposted from Terroristan thread:
Check how one of the participants TCA Raghavan behaved when he was posted in Porkistan.
One had occasion to meet the former Indian High Commissioner to Pakistan, T.C.A. Raghavan, in Lahore. He came across as a moderate person allergic to hard positions and willing to understand when his Pakistani interlocutors fly off the handle.(Meaning able and ready to keep taking shit from pakistan)
In short there is a pattern where Track Thoo participants from Indian side selected are pliant and of such a mental state that they would be ready to make compromises (Vacating Siachen, Visa regime to be diluted, keeping the talks going on even if pakistan indulges and promotes terrorism in India).
Watching the NDTV/Republic TV talk show about the meeting in Aiyars house it is clear to what extent Pro Pakis these participants are. It is in your face paki agenda pushing in the name of democratic right and freedom of expression. It is sickening.
Ajay Shukla and Rahul Singh are the worst. Their congress bhakti is to be heard and seen. Rahul Singh made a complete spectacle of himself when he kept claiming it was a Private dinner and then had to admit that everybody including Mickey Mouse Singh made some sort of presentation before his lordship Kasuri on how to improve India pakistan relationship in the current environment (meaning how to take care of the Modi rule).
Check the list of the participant in the Viper abode:
We know these are all pro pakistanis:
-Aiyar, Ansari, Natwar Singh, Shukla, Raghavan, Lambah, Bhadrakumar, Prem Shankar Jha, Rahul Singh.
-Not sure about Gharekhan, Salman Haider, KS Bjapai and Deepak Kapoor.
-Not want to mention anything about Manmohan Singh as the less said about him the better.
India gains nothing from all this and that is exactly why the pakis and the amrekis persist with the track thoo. I think that it is high time that mms was outed for his part in all the scams along with his protector.
This time they have been caught out in public by Modi and exposed. They have behaved exactly like deer caught in the headlights. Immediate and strong denial by the traitorous, lying congis followed by mms throwing muck on the govt. Modi forcibly made them respond and admit to what was being done on the sly.
Rest assured that the govt will have a complete record of what exactly transpired at the meeting and who said what exactly.
No one has explained why they met with the enemy and fed them biryani. The paki were brazen enough to have their HC from their embassy attend this "dinner". If the same meeting had happened in pakiland with some paki hosting Indian on the sly, our HC would have been badly beaten along with the guests and at the very least, many would have wound up in hospital.
Very unusually for him, loud and foul mouthed aiyer is conspicuous by his silence.
The entire of lot attendees have been caught with their pants down and no one believes what they say.
what exactly did modi say? just a few cursory references to MMS and silence thereafter.chetak wrote:the only side taken by the entire bunch of track thoo morons, no matter which side of the border their homes are is the paki side and its always against India.
India gains nothing from all this and that is exactly why the pakis and the amrekis persist with the track thoo. I think that it is high time that mms was outed for his part in all the scams along with his protector.
This time they have been caught out in public by Modi and exposed. They have behaved exactly like deer caught in the headlights. Immediate and strong denial by the traitorous, lying congis followed by mms throwing muck on the govt. Modi forcibly made them respond and admit to what was being done on the sly.
Rest assured that the govt will have a complete record of what exactly transpired at the meeting and who said what exactly.
No one has explained why they met with the enemy and fed them biryani. The paki were brazen enough to have their HC from their embassy attend this "dinner". If the same meeting had happened in pakiland with some paki hosting Indian on the sly, our HC would have been badly beaten along with the guests and at the very least, many would have wound up in hospital.
Very unusually for him, loud and foul mouthed aiyer is conspicuous by his silence.
The entire of lot attendees have been caught with their pants down and no one believes what they say.
The guilty always scream the loudest. They have the most to hide.Karan M wrote:what exactly did modi say? just a few cursory references to MMS and silence thereafter.chetak wrote:the only side taken by the entire bunch of track thoo morons, no matter which side of the border their homes are is the paki side and its always against India.
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The entire of lot attendees have been caught with their pants down and no one believes what they say.
as much as i hate to say it, he has been a verbal and otherwise oh so gentlemanly with regards to his political opponents.
Nothing much other than an exercise in stupidity by linking it to Gujarat elections and not the much bigger threat to national security!Karan M wrote:I agree but what has Modi or the establishment done about it or the track thoo participation?
When the Asean festival is over – 10 heads of state and government will be our chief guests for Republic Day – we may find that 2018 is more of 2017. That may not be a bad thing. Three big developments stood out in India’s foreign policy that will continue their trajectory in 2018.
The China challenge was the real McCoy and put hair on India’s chest (sexism alert) this year. India picked up many silent brownie points over how she stood her ground on the Doklam crisis, but a bigger play happened on that account.
Doklam was a unique moment – restricting the Chinese in an area where India is militarily at an advantage was important, and, as a nation, we crossed the 1962 hump. More important was how India played the greater game.
The much hyped Chinese strategy of san zhong zhanfa (‘Three Warfares’) was exposed. It is PLA’s brainchild for winning a war without fighting through a set of three complementary strategies: media warfare, as in the daily briefings by the Chinese foreign ministry and threats on official media unfortunately picked up by our own brain-deprived TV channels; legal warfare where China brandished real and not-so-real domestic and international law, and threatening military action; psychological warfare, reminding us that 1962 would be upon us again, we would be reduced to dust, etc. By refusing to engage, a remarkable feat for such a vociferous and argumentative nation, official Indian silence robbed China’s campaign of so much oxygen even they didn’t realise it until the very end.![]()
However, New Delhi took a bigger foreign policy leap in May when India stood up against OBOR, on the grounds of sovereignty, principles of equity and transparency, calling it out as a colonial enterprise.
The effect around the world was much like at a Delhi traffic light – you know you should ignore that red light and bribe the cop if he stops you. Suddenly a guy actually stops at the red light. You think twice. You stop. What does he know that you don’t, you wonder?
In the months since India’s terse statement on OBOR dropped on the world like the proverbial 800 pound gorilla, different forums in the EU, US, Japan and Australia have flagged the same uncomfortable questions for the Chinese. Rex Tillerson called it “predatory economics”, EU snobbishly told China its connectivity projects should conform to principles and just voted against China’s application for market economy status. After years of being “exposed” to Chinese influence and money, Australia’s PM Malcolm Turnbull roared “stand up”. India may not have been the reason for everybody to find their spine on China, but New Delhi can certainly claim to be that guy at the traffic light.
China won’t forget this in a hurry, and New Delhi should expect that there will be huge temptation to “teach India a lesson” in 2018. That’s when we will know whether India can play a better game, because it will take a lot – and more – out of our South Block mandarins.
Second, America may be reeling from the swing from Obama to Trump, but surprisingly, India is probably the only major country that currently has a “normal” relationship with Trump’s America, which leaves you scratching your head – both countries are increasingly upfront about their growing closeness, particularly in the defence, strategic and security domains. India and US are coordinating positions on more global issues than ever, and no, Nikki Haley’s threat to “shame” did not affect India’s decision on the Jerusalem vote (though one suspects it may have cost them a few abstentions).
Certainly in south Asia the Trump strategy fits in well with India’s own, even if it puts Pakistan’s nose out of joint. For Trump’s strategy to succeed, India has to take the lead here – in 2018 India needs to maintain the pressure on Pakistan to detox itself from its terror addiction. It’s crucial for the health of this region, particularly Afghanistan, which we cannot afford to lose to jihadis again. China will be compelled to put more good money after bad in Pakistan, which will be oxygen to the army – therefore more important for India to step up opposition to CPEC.
Third, look out for more trilaterals and minilaterals in 2018 featuring India as a pillar. The new Indian foreign policy mantra is to move where we can, use stronger bilateral relationships for regional and global goals, or as a strategist explains “exploit the space between bilateral and multilateral”.
The “quad” and Malabar is a classic one – India’s initial hesitation unwittingly drew attention to Australia’s China vulnerabilities which Canberra is fixing speedily. The India-Australia relationship is ready for take off, keep your eyes peeled for more action outside cricket.
India-Japan-US, India-Australia-Japan, etc to look at the Asian theatre, India-Russia-China to reassure Russia, India-France, India-US, India-Australia and others in the Indian Ocean, BBIN in the south Asian mohalla … the list goes on.
On the world stage, India is fighting elections much like Modi in Gujarat – look at the bruising battle for the ICJ, where we stayed more than the British candidate. India put away more sedate successes in ITLOS, UNESCO and IMO. This gluttony will increase, because we are stepping out to own global governance institutions with the appetite of a rising power. {We also joined MTCR & WA, even though MTCR was in 2016}
This year India played on the front foot with some success. But it means increasingly India’s actions on the world stage have to be thought through beyond visual range. The playing field has changed.
In CWIHP Working Paper #76, "Not at the Cost of China: New Evidence Regarding US Proposals to Nehru for Joining the United Nations Security Council," author Anton Harder examines the controversy surrounding India's role in the United Nations Security Council in the 1950s. Using Indian archival material from the Nehru Memorial Museum and Library, this paper shows that America's interest in seeing India join the Security Council was motivated by the emergence of the People's Republic of China as a regional power, and that this episode was an early example of the United States attempting to use the United Nations to further its own Cold War interests.
Palestine Envoy Shares Stage With Hafiz Saeed In Pak, India Says Will Take Up Strongly
And so the Palestinians demonstrate why their being tarred with the appellation of being the original modern day Mohammadden Terrorists was not undeserved by the action of the Palestinian “Ambassador” to the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Waleed Abu Ali, attending a rally organized by the Difah-e-Pakistan Council, an umbrella group of 40 Mohammadden belief based extremist groups in Pakistan, headed by the United Nations Designated Terrorist and one of the Masterminds of 26/11 Mumbai attack, Hafiz Mohammad Saeed.sunnyP wrote:And we still vote for these terrorist lovers at the UN.
Palestine Envoy Shares Stage With Hafiz Saeed In Pak, India Says Will Take Up Strongly
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/palesti ... -topscroll
From the MEA website here:Official Spokesperson's response to a question regarding reports/photographs of the Palestinian Ambassador to Pakistan attending a rally organised by JuD Chief and mastermind of Mumbai terror attack Hafiz Saeed
December 29, 2017
In response to a query on reports/photographs of the Palestinian Ambassador to Pakistan attending a rally organised by JuD Chief and mastermind of Mumbai terror attack Hafiz Saeed, the Official Spokesperson said:
"We have seen reports in this regard. We are taking up the matter strongly with the Palestinian Ambassador in New Delhi and with the Palestinian authorities".
That's where the problem is, if it were true that Doval & MEA were not talking to each other already.Karthik S wrote:I hope Doval would speak to MEA and tells them, not a single action against Israel from now on.
Subramanian SwamyVerified account
@Swamy39
A few days after India voted for Palestine's UNGA Resolution on Jerusalem, Palestine's Envoy to Pakistan shared today the stage with terrorist Hafeez Sayeed in a Rawalpindi public rally condemning India.
6:38 AM - 29 Dec 2017
…………… And said this in a TV interview:Subramanian SwamyVerified account
@Swamy39
It is against India's national interest to vote for the pro-Palestine Resolution in the UNGA. Palestine has never supported India on Kashmir question and Islamic terror attacks. Israel has stood with India always.
8:16 AM - 21 Dec 2017
Israelis are not fools. They have understood why India had to vote the way it did.sarang wrote:Exactly, infact its blessing in disguise that we voted against Israel,
Palestine can not blame now if we favour Israel in future.
SSridhar wrote:srin, I don't buy your argument for several reasons.
For one, in these matters, GoI should look only at country's interests, not what the opposition would say or do. The opposition would never let go of anything. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
We only have to look at the history of Palestine's stance regarding Kashmir or terrorism. The OIC has unanimously supported only the Pakistani stance. It is even foolish to expect any Muslim country to behave otherwise. So, GoI already had a reason to claim that the Palestenians "like terrorists better", as you have put it. We didn't need this Hafiz Saeed-Palestenian Ambassador bonhomie as a new reason.
Even granting all that, do you think that GoI would now tweak its Palestine policy? We would be better off if things that you are hoping for do happen.
If Israel accepts India's compulsion to vote the way it did (though I don't really understand what compulsion could there be), I would want Palestenians to understand, for a change, why India could not support it at least once. Why should it always be a one-way road?
As the Dumas' classic 'Count of Monte Cristo' ends, 'Wait & Hope'.
But, frankly, I have no hope.
This isn't the first time the Palestinian ambassador to Pakistan has met with Hafiz Saeed. In August 2014, Waleed Abu Ali had attended the Palestine Unity Caravan organised by the JuD, where Saeed delivered an address denigrating India and Israel for "killing innocent Muslims".
From our MEA’s website:Press release on India’s reaction over the Palestinian Ambassador in Pakistan’s association with terrorist Hafiz Saeed
December 30, 2017
Government of India has strongly conveyed to the Palestinian side that the Palestinian Ambassador in Pakistan's association with terrorist Hafiz Saeed, who is proscribed by the United Nations, at an event in Rawalpindi on 29.12.2017, is unacceptable. The concerns were conveyed both in New Delhi to the Palestinian Ambassador and in Ramallah to the Minister of Foreign Affairs and Expatriates, State of Palestine.
The Palestinian side has conveyed deep regrets over the incident and assured the Government of India that they are taking serious cognizance of their Ambassador's presence at this event. They have said they will deal with this matter appropriately. It was also conveyed that Palestine highly values its relationship with India and stands with us in the war against terrorism, and will not engage with those who commit acts of terror against India.
We take note of the assurances given by the Palestine side.
New Delhi
30 December 2017