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Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 31 May 2010 16:17
by durvasa
22 GMs as per FIDE . Good but not good enough


http://ratings.fide.com/topfed.phtml


Country rank by average rating of top 10 players
Average GMs IMs Total Titled
1 Russia 2731 201 464 1950
2 Ukraine 2688 75 191 440
3 China 2648 27 17 99 more GMs than IMs :eek:
4 India 2643 22 65 189
5 Israel 2640 35 46 148 :shock:
6 France 2638 41 85 317
7 Azerbaijan 2638 17 15 61
8 Hungary 2637 43 107 387
9 United States of America 2635 69 112 527
10 Armenia 2631 30 20 73
11 Bulgaria 2624 30 53 120
12 Germany 2623 75 211 1121
13 Netherlands 2622 24 72 267
14 Poland 2619 32 90 296
15 Georgia 2608 25 35 102
16 Spain 2593 34 97 423
17 England 2589 37 56 227
18 Serbia 2587 51 97 511
19 Cuba 2581 17 38 260
20 Czech Republic 2580 25 69 233
21 Romania 2574 21 74 265
22 Belarus 2572 13 25 86
23 Croatia 2569 29 58 229
24 Argentina 2556 18 65 211
25 Brazil 2550 8 28 124

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 01 Jun 2010 22:05
by Amber G.
^^^ But in one way Indian Chess has come a long way... Don't forget till 60s-70s there was only one International Master (M. Aaron - who won many Indian Championships - I remember him, interestingly, because when Bobby Fisher won the 1962 Inter zonal (first step towards world championship) his position was last - though he came in the news because he won a game from Portisch (who was, IIRC a GM then)

And before that..only noteworthy champion from from India was Sulthan Khan (I am not sure if this was his real name), who was a manservant to a maharaja and came to international notice when he played in England - while the maharaja was visiting Vilayat.
(R. Fine in his chess autobiography writes a rather embarrassing episode where the US champion and other chess greats went to congratulate Sultan Khan after a chess victory - the object of their honor was serving them drinks and refreshments while the maharaja was talking about his hunting dogs)

He played for England in Chess Olympiad (top board) (1930's).. won European championships ... all the more impressive because he had no book knowledge, has to learn the European Rules of Chess (Indian version does not allow Castling, double move of a pawn, and promoting a pawn is different).. .. he was very a strong but never got a title of IM or GM (I don't think those titles were there then).

Funny thing about him was when the Maharaja returned back to India.. no one in Chess world knew what happened to him.

R. Fine called him the best natural player he ever met. (Khan had very good record against the best in the world around that time, and did extremely well in many tournaments for a very short time while he was in England)

Added Later: Was curious so just did a google search on what happened to him -- I get:
Later life

Miss Fatima, also a servant of Sir Umar, had won the British Ladies Championship in 1933 by a remarkable three-point margin, scoring ten wins, one draw, and no losses.[1][18] She said that Sultan Khan, upon his return to India, felt as though he had been freed from prison.[19] In the damp English climate, he had been continually afflicted with malaria, colds, influenza, and throat infections, often arriving to play with his neck swathed in bandages.[20][21] Sir Umar died in 1944, leaving Sultan Khan a small farmstead, where he lived for the rest of his life.[4][16][20] Ather Sultan, his eldest son, recalled that he would not coach his children at chess, telling them that they should do something more useful with their lives.[20]
Sultan Khan died of tuberculosis in Sargodha, Pakistan (the same district where he had been born) on April 25, 1966.[4][16][22]
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_Sultan_Khan

(Interesting that, I have read about him a lot, know many of his games - admired some very much (some are classic and great) - but never knew about Miss Fatima - nor that he died in 1966)

(Also I see the R. Fine episode is mentioned in wiki article too..)

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 01 Jun 2010 23:34
by Ameet
Rugby set to make giant leap

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Rugby-set ... 51826.aspx

With teams from China, Philippines, Thailand and hosts India participating, the Capital will see some classic rumbling at the newly constructed Rugby Stadium at Delhi University.

That India and China will face off in the opener and the matches will be keenly fought under floodlights is expected to bring in sports enthusiasts.

The tournament has teams from World Division 2.

While the eventual winners will be promoted to the top league and win a place in the World Cup to be held in New Zealand next year, the team that finishes bottom will be relegated to Division 3. The stakes, as expected, are high.

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 02 Jun 2010 19:52
by negi
Leander Paes and Lukas Dlouhy have made to the semis .

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 02 Jun 2010 20:25
by SwamyG
For the Chess aficionados here is the AICF site: http://www.indianchessfed.org/ It was interesting to note that it is registered and based in Chennai, then I realized the Aarons are from Madras (having lived there for so many years).

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 02 Jun 2010 20:47
by SwamyG
durvasa wrote:22 GMs as per FIDE . Good but not good enough
Don't worry, read this and be happy :mrgreen:

The below piece was written by Arvind Aaron in January 2010.
Final round disasters may have taken a toll on our number of medals but India has retained the World Under-16 title this time via S.P. Sethuraman of Chennai in the World Youth Chess Championship that ended at Antalya, Turkey on Nov 23, 2009. The fight for the 12 titles was fierce with no nation taking more than two overall (open/ girls). Among girls and open, no country could win more than one title. Overall, Russia won two, Peru two, China two, Iran two, Australia,Israel, Azerbaijan and India one each. Scanning the results and placings of nations, China has clearly taken note of the previous placings at Georgia 2005 and Vietnam 2008 and are working to get better of us. They have fielded more players in all the groups. There are more Chinese in each of the sections than Indians. Sethuraman’s title came after a defeat he suffered to Vidit Gujrathi. He did not hear Vidit’s draw offer and he paid that price. Vidit comes from Nasik (Mah) and took a draw in the last round against IM Illya Nyzhnyk of Ukraine thinking wrongly that it was progressive score tie-break. Sethuraman’s tie-break score was better as sum of opponents rating tie-break was used by the arbiters. Clearly India dominated this section and Vidit was the silver medal winner. Sethuraman comes from a chess family. His father S. Panayappan teaches chess.

Sethuraman is a twelfth standard student from Velammal School. He is an International Master and also won four National titles and a GM norm. His latest championship was the National Junior title. His maiden world title has made his friends and supporters delighted. “He was waiting for this for the last five years since Belfort 2005,” said Panayappan. He is now departing for the National ‘A’ as this is the tight season for chess playing. His younger brother and mother are also chess World Youth Chess Championship, Antalya, Turkey… players. Chess runs in their family. Since turning to a Ukrainian Grandmaster. his performances started to get better, said Panayappan. Overseas trainers are normal for Indians these days. Vidit uses a Israeli trainer, others like Negi use Elizbar Ubilava of Georgia.

Three players who missed medals and titles were Vaibhav Suri of Delhi, Adhiban of Chennai and Bansi Prathima of Hyderabad. All were last round victims. Yet, India won three silver medals. Besides Vidit, Ivana Furtado of Goa, former two time Under-8 champion settled for silver this time in the Under-10 section. Karthikeyan Murali who learns chess from M. Velayudham of Bloom Chess Academy in Chennai finished second in the Under-10 section. He actually tied for the first place. Among our bronze medal winners were G.V. Sai Krishna of Vijayawada who tied for the second place and finished third on tie-break in the Under-14 section. After a poor start, 0.5/2, many would give up. But Saranya, did not lose heart and finished strongly with a 4/4 score to win the bronze medal in the Girls Under-14 section. Our six medal winners: S.P. Sethuraman (TN, Under-16, gold), Vidit Gujrathi (Mah, Under- 16, silver), Karthikeyan Murali (TN, Under- 10, silver), Ivana Furtado (Goa, Girls Under- 10, silver), G.V. Sai Krishna (AP, Under-14, bronze), J. Saranya (TN, Girls Under-14, bronze). India did not do as well as Georgia 2005 or Vietnam 2008 but the six medal haul is no mean achievement. One title, three silver and two bronze medals means we are fairly consistent in picking up medals. Though no reason is required for a mild reduction in medal count, Grand Master Ramesh of Chennai said many of our players played in higher age group this year and you can expect better results next year.

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 02 Jun 2010 21:49
by Ameet
India beat China to enter Asian 5 Nation Rugby final

http://www.ptinews.com/news/687420_Indi ... ugby-final

Hosts India demolished China 94-0 in the tournament opener to sail into the final of the HSBC Asian Five Nation Rugby Division II event here today.

The Naseer Hussain-led Indian side put up a fantastic display and outplayed the formidable Chinese in all departments of the game at the flood-lit Delhi University Rugby Stadium.

With this win, India are one just step away from progressing to the Division-I.

India will play either Philippines and top seeds Thailand in the summit clash on Saturday and a win there would see them progress to the Division-I for the first time in the history of the game.

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 07 Jun 2010 00:43
by Ameet
India falter against Philippines in Five Nations Rugby

http://sify.com/news/india-falter-again ... egcff.html

India went down 12-34 to the Philippines in the HSBC Five Nations Rugby Tournament (Division II) at the Delhi University grounds here Saturday.

As a result, Division II winners the Philippines will be promoted to Division I while China, who finished fourth in the tournament after losing to Thailand 3-56 Saturday, will be demoted to Division III.

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 07 Jun 2010 11:37
by Murugan
Finally! India Moves To Patent 900 Yoga Asanas.

The Council for Scientific and Industrial Research (CSIR) has prepared patent formats of nearly 900 yoga asanas (postures), to prevent European and American companies involved in fitness-related activities from claiming them as their own.

These asanas will all be included in the digitalised Traditional Knowledge Library (TKDL), set up by the council to collect and record traditional treatment therapy knowledge. Medicines and yoga asanas registered with it enjoy the status of being patented.

"Video recordings of the asanas are also being made and recorded to prevent them from being stolen," said TKDL director Dr VK Gupta.

The CSIR began the project in 2006.

These 900 asanas have been collected from Patanjali's classic work on yoga, as well as other ancient classics like the Bhagwat Gita.

Gupta said a number of countries had already laid claim to around 250 of these postures. Some foreign companies have even patented some of them.

Foreign companies have been selling some of the yoga postures as therapies to relieve stress or backaches.

"How can someone else patent these asanas which are a part of our traditional treatment therapy knowledge? They should not be allowed to use them for commercial purposes," Dr Gupta said.

The CSIR's next step will be to move against the yoga patents already registered abroad.

The United States patent office alone has issued around 3000 patents on yoga postures and their variations. {sab baap ka maal ?}

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 08 Jun 2010 01:29
by Asit P
Somdev reaches career best 104th in ATP rankings
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Spor ... 019327.cms

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 10 Jun 2010 22:38
by BijuShet
From DNA India : India win gold medal in World Cup archery
PTI - Thursday, June 10, 2010 21:53 IST
Kolkata: The Indian trio of Rahul Banerjee, Mangal Singh Champia and Jayanta Talukdar clinched the men's team recurve gold medal with a 218-214 win over the US in the final of the World Cup archery (Stage II) in Antalya, Turkey today.

According to information received here from the Archery Association of India (AAI), the Indian trio proved too good for the Americans -- Brady Ellison, Richard Johnson and Vic Wunderle -- and maintained the lead throughout the final to win the first gold medal of the series.

At the Porec World Cup, India had settled for the silver bowing to Italy in the silver.

India led 54-50 in the first end of six arrows to take a commanding four point lead.

In the second end of six arrows, however, the Indians surrendered three points (51-54) to enjoy a lead of just a point.

India regained five points lead in the third end of six arrows with Banerjee and Champia hitting bull''s eye twice each to take the score to 57-53, thus giving an overall 162-157 lead.

In the final end of six arrows, the Indians scored 56 as against their opponents' 57 to win the contest at 218-214.

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 17 Jun 2010 22:20
by shravan
Who knows, the next Vishwanathan Anand may be from our state !
by Narendra Modi 17. June 2010 17:37
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Along the same lines is the endeavor to breathe new life into chess in Gujarat – the Swarnim Gujarat Chess Mahotsav. The Mahotsav opened today with me facing the King of Chess, World Champion Vishwanathan Anand, across the board. The aim of the Mahotsav is to popularize chess at every school across the length and breadth of Gujarat. Like the individual drops of rain, when every student takes to chess, Gujarat will surely produce a shower of talents in the world arena. Who knows, the next Vishwanathan Anand may be from our state!
We need more CMs like Modiji.

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 18 Jun 2010 22:14
by Varoon Shekhar
"China has clearly taken note of the previous placings at Georgia 2005 and Vietnam 2008 and are working to get better of us."

This seems to be standard Chinese behaviour vis-a-vis India in just about anything, with the possible exception of cricket. Any activity that India does well in, the Chinese take serious note of, then summon as much energy, organisation and single-mindedness to match and surpass India.
Where was China in chess these last 30 years or so? Virtually nowhere. But after Vishy Anand had a run of huge wins, China started getting interested, and making their presence felt.

Incidentally, and not far off topic, is there any recreational or competitive sport played on a day-to-day basis, where you see lots of ethnic Indians? I happen to play competitive table tennis, and the Chinese outnumber the Indians( and everyone else) by a huge margin. Most of the Chinese players are not strong; they are low level or at best intermediate players. But they still come out and play. Where are the Indians? And if Indians are not playing TT, what sport are they into?

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 18 Jun 2010 22:27
by Sriman
Varoon Shekhar wrote:Where are the Indians? And if Indians are not playing TT, what sport are they into?
Mostly cricket i suppose.

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 19 Jun 2010 23:53
by joshvajohn
Even small countries have qualified themselves for the world cup what about India? There must have been a good number of players but again political influence in every game makes it worst. But we have got world chess champions, Tennis doubles champions and one of the best cricket team and even we make names in a few other games why not in football.


Court worried about fate of football in India
http://www.hindustantimes.com/Court-wor ... 58860.aspx

India bets big on football
http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-bet ... 59858.aspx

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 20 Jun 2010 00:42
by Carl_T
There is political influence and vast levels of corruption in football federations throughout the world, that cannot be the reason.

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 20 Jun 2010 01:13
by joshvajohn
Possibly someone has to think like Modi in creating investing atmosphere on Football teams in India!

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 20 Jun 2010 01:42
by Carl_T
Which Modi?

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 20 Jun 2010 03:26
by joshvajohn
The one who is chased by BCCI - Lalit Modi?.I thought he was one of those who worked out the 20-20 IPL. So we need some investors having an eye on football leagues as well. Why not?

I hope the War over the IPL between Pawar and Modi group will come to an end. What is the real issue in the context where both groups wanted to make money (both legally and illegally) and both group do not want to pay taxes to govt. That is a different issue altogether.

I will be happy if we have some investors eyeing on the football training, best coaches, kind of famous clubs (i am aware of a few in Bengal and other places). Do we not have good players in India to be trained for a worldclass game? South Koreans, Cameroon and all have good folks. It is the will power I suppose and also investment and encouragement for our folks. I hope some Ambanis will have some eyes on these kind of things as well.

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 20 Jun 2010 12:54
by satyam
Saina Nehwal wins the Singapore Open Super Series.

http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport ... ED80F5F4BB

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 20 Jun 2010 13:06
by Rahul M
joshvajohn wrote:Possibly someone has to think like Modi in creating investing atmosphere on Football teams in India!
why not get modi himself, now that he is out of cricket it seems ?

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 20 Jun 2010 14:43
by joshvajohn
The questions might be whether this will give an immediate and huge profit? Will the audience in India be interested to watch such matches?
I think one can see the struggles with the hockey teams struggling for reasonable support!

if Modi thinks about it, it will be great! There is a dearth of any genuine national interest to bring neglected Indian sports to international competing standard among these people including Pawar or Gill or any of these political or other leaders who wish to lead the Indian sports.

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 20 Jun 2010 16:52
by Asit P
satyam wrote:Saina Nehwal wins the Singapore Open Super Series.
Way to go Saina :). I would love to see this girl win an Olympic medal for India.

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 20 Jun 2010 23:52
by Tamang
Congratulations to Saina and her team.

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 21 Jun 2010 22:30
by Ameet
A Basketball Deal in India, Where Cricket Is King

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/ ... t-is-king/

IMG Reliance said on Monday that it signed a 30-year agreement with the Basketball Federation of India to obtain all commercial rights to basketball in India, the first step in the process of starting a professional league in the world’s second most populous nation.

While a distant competitor to cricket, basketball is the second fastest growing sport in India, with four million participants.

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 21 Jun 2010 22:40
by Rahul M
joshvajohn wrote:The questions might be whether this will give an immediate and huge profit? Will the audience in India be interested to watch such matches?
I think one can see the struggles with the hockey teams struggling for reasonable support!

if Modi thinks about it, it will be great! There is a dearth of any genuine national interest to bring neglected Indian sports to international competing standard among these people including Pawar or Gill or any of these political or other leaders who wish to lead the Indian sports.
if there's a competent fellow then I say yes to your first question. there is now enough interest even beyond the traditional bastions of bengal, goa and pockets of TN and kerala.

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 21 Jun 2010 22:58
by Carl_T
The key to all this is large TV contracts creating enough funds so clubs can have their own grounds, clubs need to run better youth development programs. Coaches also need to be either imported, or youth coaches need to go abroad to learn coaching and fitness methods.

Btw, how is this I League different from the earlier NFL?

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 22 Jun 2010 01:33
by negi
I wish somehow this football bug bites likes of Mallya and Ambanis likes of dildo khan and others will follow . Another way is to follow Unkil like model i.e. decent quota/scholarships in universities for folks good in sports . It shouldn't be difficult for don bosco's , xaviers, sherwoods and other chi chi places to promote such stuff at high school level , KVs and DPSs can too do their bit if Gobmint walks that extra mile.

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 22 Jun 2010 05:40
by SBajwa
Problem with us Indians is that we do not think too much of ourselves!! We should do following

1. popularize local sports like Kabaddi, Indian style wrestling at world stage., India has a very very very rich ancienty culture and we have created/developed/pioneered many many many sports which we have forgotten due to Mughals and then British. BRING THEM BACK!!

2. Regain the lead in national sports like Field Hockey by actively engaging EUROPEAN BIASED International hockey federation.

that's all you have to do!! Take all third world countries along with you and declare that sports like field hockey and cricket (where india is dominent or use to be dominent) have been hijacked by europeran specific rules (like astroturf and bouncers, etc).

1. Raise this issue among the press in all over world. (hegemony of Rich europeans).
2. Demand that IHF/cricket/etc changes the rules so that poorest of the poor can also play.
for example!!

Demand soccer, hockey,etc to be played barefoot on grass (and change rules for other games too). Otherwise it is not a sport for whole world and don't call it olympic, world cup, whatever, etc. This issue is a very valid issue for a writ in an international Court. Get all the Europeans to play soccer bare feet!! and then let see where they stand!! if anywhere!!

I am just waiting for a sports minister of India who has balls enough to challenge the hegemony of the Europeans who have altered almost all games to suit themselves (even non physical sports like chess where they couldn't go far though).

Problem is not with India or Indians!! problem is with ICC, IHF, FIFA and likewise european/whites heavy organizations.

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 22 Jun 2010 09:11
by Carl_T
Looks like you missed the part about nonwhites and non europeans also playing football well. You think India is going to do well at football if everyone starts playing barefoot? :mrgreen:

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 22 Jun 2010 09:25
by Rahul M
not sure how I-league is different from NFL, still same semi-pro structure it seems to me. I had a relative who had some footballers working under him in a PSU bank, he used to bully them like anything for not giving the regular 10-5 worktime to the office like others. :roll: really felt bad for the guy, he shouldn't have to worry about these things. unless we go fully pro and there is enough money for club players to sustain themselves we won't see much improvement.

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 23 Jun 2010 03:17
by SBajwa
by carl_t
You think India is going to do well at football if everyone starts playing barefoot?
nope! but at least more people will be playing football/hockey/cricket/etc on equal footing.

Take shoes off
Take astroturf off
Take weird rules off
etc.

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 23 Jun 2010 04:06
by Carl_T
What does that mean, more people will be playing on equal footing?

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 23 Jun 2010 18:32
by SBajwa
Equal footing meaning less rules to suit the specific styles of the region. For example., poor people will more rely on their skills vs. rich people who will rely on their physical ability (strength) so alter the rules so that skills+strength is equally measured and rewarded. Currently many sports like soccer, hockey are tilted in favor of people who are big and strong. This is due to the centuries of domination by the people (colonial powers like spain, portuguese, french, british and their allies) who had all the money.

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 23 Jun 2010 21:15
by Rahul M
carl, the rule changes in hockey to suit european style speed and power, against sub-continental skill based one is quite well documented, it's not someone's imagination.

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 23 Jun 2010 21:37
by Carl_T
I don't know anything about hockey, I'm talking about football. And I have no idea what SBajwa is talking about. There's nothing wrong with sports favoring speed, strength, and size...if you don't like that, then follow table tennis. You can either produce big, strong, and fast players which Brazil has done over the past 15 years or find ways around it like Korea or Argentina. Brazil started figuring this out about 20 years ago and we see the results in the current team. Korea knew they could never compete with the size and strength, so they developed ways around it by developing tactics to favor their pace and endurance. Argentina has continued selecting SDREs who are extremely skilled.

Many children over the world especially in South America and west Africa start playing barefoot, and it is these nations that would benefit the most...not India.

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 23 Jun 2010 21:41
by Rahul M
I'm not talking of football either but just so you know, we were reasonably world class when we played barefoot.

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 23 Jun 2010 21:44
by Carl_T
Uh when? The only time the Indian football team was better was before the 50s...

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 23 Jun 2010 21:52
by Rahul M
and that was when we played barefoot. http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 85#p888585
or drawing 1-1 with france in 1960.
these were not before 50's btw.

Re: Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

Posted: 23 Jun 2010 22:29
by Carl_T
India used to be comparatively better, but "world class" is getting liberal. (Check Australia's record btw). Regarding France, even the US has had good results like those in the past...came 3rd in the first world cup.

Point being, all this whining about "rules favor Europeans blah blah" is meaningless, when the focus should be on improving.