Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 17 Aug 2012 05:10

Actually monogamy for males was not even in the early Christian. It was a specific product of certain political battles that the Church fought with kings/military leaders in the late ancient/early medieval Europe. Most of the "moral" constraints that implied some kind of self-denial - cannot be traced to any of the cultural memes of ME or Europe.

Perhaps this is where a possible external - Buddhist influence shows up.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 17 Aug 2012 21:49

ramana wrote:^^^
Monogamy is a Christian differentiator in ancient Middle East.

Both Abraham and Muhammad were polygamists.

The whole Mormon question depends on this.

Another opinion

Man can eat every bird and fish and animal for God has created them specifically for man’s consumption. And man can marry and divorce and keep as his concubines any number of women, at any stage of his three score and ten years. (The monogamy we find in Christianity is not prescribed by the Christian scripture. It was an institution which it borrowed from the pagan Romans.)

http://voiceofdharma.org/books/hindusoc/ch4.htm

arun · Post by **arun** » 19 Aug 2012 12:56

Rampage by Mohammadden mob whose fury was apparently stoked up by religious sermon on the day of the Friday Sabbath during the holy month of Ramadan / Ramazan, results in attack on Buddhists and on the Media:

Mob goes berserk in Lucknow, targets media

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 20 Aug 2012 01:15

Last Morning in Al Hamra – Shiva Naipaul Prize, 1987

arun · Post by **arun** » 20 Aug 2012 11:13

X Posted from the TSP thread.

Selling the proposition that Mohammaddenism is a “Religion of Peace” to adherents of other faiths will certainly not be helped by incidents involving Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden violence on ground considered consecrated by adherents of that religion that to on the day of a major religious festival of that religion

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Man killed as rivals clash in mosque

arun · Post by **arun** » 21 Aug 2012 10:32

AFP via Ahram Online reports that bombings and shootings in Iraq, a country that is overwhelmingly Mohammadden, killed at least 409 people and wounded 975 during the month of Ramadan which is considered holy by followers of Mohammaddenism.

In the article, John Drake, a security analyst with AKE Group observes that violence often rises during the month in Iraq because, "radicalised terrorists are often more intent on conducting these (suicide attacks) during the holy month of Ramadan because it is a period associated with martyrdom and self-sacrifice,"

Having been repeatedly told by political leaders who follow the Mohammadden faith such as Gen. Musharraf, Asif Zardari, Mahathir Mohammed and Recep Erdogan that theirs is a Religion of Peace, I am unable to understand why so many adherents of that religion feel it is not just acceptable but indeed somehow desirable to perform acts of “martyrdom and self-sacrifice” by killing others during a month considered holy:

Attacks in Iraq killed 409 people in Ramadan

arun · Post by **arun** » 22 Aug 2012 08:40

X Posted from the TSP thread.

The death toll from Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden violence in Karachi in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan during the just concluded Mohammadden holy month of Ramadan / Ramazan / Ramzan reaches 156 killed.

Display of that kind of blood lust certainly makes selling the proposition that Mohammaddenism is a “Religion of Peace” to adherents of other faiths, an uphill one:

154 shot dead during Ramadan in Karachi

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 24 Aug 2012 04:28

Cinema warns moviegoers about “annoying” Muslims

A poster that appeared in the window of Copenhagen’s Palads theatre Saturday night warned patrons that due to Eid, the end of the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan, more Muslims would be in the theatres than normal and they could get loud and become annoying to other cinema guests.

The sign even offered advice as to which of the films on offer could be the noisiest: "Movies like the Batman 3 [Dark Knight Rises], the Bourne Legacy, Total Recall, Abraham Lincoln and Prometheus, but one can never be sure in advance," read the warning.

Guests were advised to contact security guards if they experienced noisy Muslims.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 24 Aug 2012 09:18

Pad nām ud nērōg ud ayārīh ī dādār ohrmazd ī rāyōmand ī xwarrahōmand” [In the name of the Almighty and Benevolent Creator, the Majestic, Glorious Ohrmazd (Ahura Mazda)]

This introductory line to the Sasanian Persian text “The Karnamag I A...
rdashir I Babagan” (The Book of the Deeds of Ardashir, son of Pabag) with my own translation is only one of numerous examples of standard ancient Iranian communication style, and how those, who created Islamic theories or texts post 8th century, even took this concept of an “opening line” from Iranians and Zoroastrianism. So next time an Islamist or mullah begins a text or sermon with “In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful” (usually in Arabic; not in a people’s native language), note that as a concept it too is not Islamic.

[pic Ponterio & Associates via acsearch.info: A very rare coin dated to 224-240 with Ardeshir I (founder of Sasanian Persian Empire) frontal view with crescent-n-star on crown on one side and Pabag side view on reverse) – for educational purposes only]
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from A Persian site

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 25 Aug 2012 03:11

France is going to go through a gut wrenching exercise to reclaim some of its no go zones...

France Seeks to Reclaim 'No-Go' Zones

Despite the scale of the damage, French police have hesitated to make any arrests for fear of sparking more riots. Residents of the neighborhood know the names of the perpetrators but "nobody dares to speak for fear of reprisals." "You can no longer order a pizza or get a doctor to come to the house."

The French government has announced a plan to boost policing in 15 of the most crime-ridden parts of France in an effort to reassert state control over the country's so-called "no-go" zones: Muslim-dominated neighborhoods that are largely off limits to non-Muslims.

The crime-infested districts, which the French Interior Ministry has designated as Priority Security Zones (zones de sécurité prioritaires, or ZSP), include heavily Muslim parts of Paris, Marseilles, Strasbourg, Lille and Amiens, where Muslim youths recently went on a two-day arson rampage that caused extensive property damage and injured more than a dozen police officers.

The crackdown on lawlessness in the ZSP is set to begin in September, when French Interior Minister Manuel Valls plans to deploy riot police, detectives and intelligence agents into the selected areas. The hope is that a "North American-style" war on crime can prevent France's impoverished suburbs from descending into turmoil.

If the new policy results in a drop in crime, Valls is expected to name up to 40 more ZSP before the summer of 2013.

The initial 15 ZSP are: Seine-Saint-Denis (Saint-Denis, Saint-Ouen), Paris (Paris XVIIIe), les Yvelines (Mantes-la-Jolie, Mantes-la-Ville), l'Essonne (Corbeil-Essonne), la Somme (Amiens), le Nord (Lille), l'Oise (Méru et Chambly), la Moselle (Fameck et Uckange), le Bas-Rhin (Strasbourg), le Rhône (Lyon IXe), les Bouches-du-Rhône (Gardanne et Bouc-Bel-aire), Marseille (Marseille IIIe, XIIIe, XIVe, XVe et XVIe), le Gard (Vauvert et Saint-Gilles), l'Hérault (Lunel et Mauguio) et la Guyane (Cayenne, Matoury, Remire-Montjoly).

Many of these new ZSP coincide with Muslim neighborhoods that previous French governments have considered to be Sensitive Urban Zones. (Zones Urbaine Sensibles, or ZUS) -- also "no-go" zones for French police.

Some of the riot data is interesting and worth collecting...hence posting in snippets...

On August 12 and 13, around 100 Muslim youths in the impoverished Fafet-Brossolette district of Amiens went on a rampage after police arrested a man for driving without a license. Muslims viewed the arrest as "insensitive" because it came as many residents of the neighborhood were attending a funeral for Nadir Hadji, a 20-year-old Algerian youth who had died in a motorcycle accident on August 9. It later emerged, however, that police were called to an estate in northern Amiens after reports that youths were loading fireworks into a car. Police discovered as well the ingredients for petrol bombs, including empty bottles and a canister of gasoline -- hence the arrest.

In response to the riots, about 150 policemen and anti-riot police were deployed to the Fafet neighborhood and used tear gas, rubber bullets and even mobilized a helicopter after Muslim youths shot at them with buckshot, fireworks and other projectiles from nine in the evening until four in the morning.

At least 16 police officers were injured in the melee, one of them seriously. Youths also torched and destroyed a junior high school canteen, an anti-juvenile delinquency sports room, a leisure center, and a kindergarten, as well as 20 automobiles and 50 trash bins. The cost of repairing or rebuilding structures that were damaged or destroyed could run to €6 million ($7.4 million). (Photos here.)

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The Fafet-Brossolette district of Amiens is home to mostly Muslim immigrants from former French colonies such as Algeria, Cameroon, Gabon, Mali, Morocco and Tunisia. Unemployment in the riot-hit part of Amiens runs at 45%. Among people under 25 years of age, who account for half the population, two out of three are out of work.

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The clashes in Amiens follow more than five days of violence between rival Muslim gangs in the southwestern French city of Toulouse. Police in the city's Bagatelle district (officially classified as a ZUS "no-go" zone) have characterized the Muslim-on-Muslim violence as "a kind of guerilla war" between two gangs of individuals between the ages of 15 and 20. The violence was apparently due to "the result of a settlement of accounts between drug dealers, as well as because of old resentments exacerbated by boredom and the heat of the month of Ramadan."

On August 14, two local imams in Bagatelle organized a march through the streets calling on the youths to stop the violence. Local media reports say the residents of the neighborhood know the names of the perpetrators but "nobody dares to speak for fear of reprisals." According to the deputy imam of Bagatelle, Siali Lahouari, "it looks as if we are in Bosnia or Afghanistan, not Mirail [a suburb of Toulouse]."

In July 2010, Muslim youth in the La Villeneuve suburb of the southern city of Grenoble went on a rampage after police shot and killed an armed robber, Karim Boudouda, who had led police on a car chase after holding up the casino at Uriage-les-Bains, near Grenoble. The rioting started when an imam recited a prayer for the dead man in the presence of 50 Muslim youths who had gathered in a park. One of the youths fired a gun at riot police who were deployed to the neighborhood; the police then opened fire to disperse the crowd -- who then went on to torch 80 cars as well as several businesses.

In August 2009, around 40 Muslim rioters in the Paris suburb of Bagnolet hurled Molotov cocktails at police and firefighters; torched cars, and one person fired a handgun during a rampage prompted by the death of a teen pizza deliveryman who was fleeing from the police. The violence broke out after an 18-year-old, riding his motorcycle through the neighborhood, tried to flee a document check by police; the man lost control of his motorcycle, hit a barrier and died en route to the hospital.

In July 2009, Muslim youths torched more than 300 cars across France after the suicide death of an Algerian youth held in police custody on charges of extortion.

In October and November 2005, thousands of Muslim youths in Paris and other major cities in France went on a rampage after two young men in the Paris suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois were electrocuted when they entered an electric power substation while running away from police. Overall, the riots affected 274 towns and cities across France, and resulted in more than €200 million in property damage.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 25 Aug 2012 06:49

How Young German Men Are Lured into Jihad

wig · Post by **wig** » 25 Aug 2012 16:54

how the arab spring is cleansing followers of other faiths

a new and shocking wave of anti-Semitism engulfing the Middle East and the developing world? Consider the following:
More than half the Jews in Iraq have been driven out of the country; those that remain are forced to pay a fine or leave their homes. Some are forced to marry Muslims.
In Syria, towns and villages where Jews have lived for centuries are now almost entirely Muslim; these communities have fled to safer parts of the country, where they hope to escape an anti-Semitic massacre.
In Egypt, the new regime is surreptitiously encouraging attacks on synagogues; the Jews, despised for their supposed wealth, fear that the “Arab spring” is about to release centuries of pent-up anti-Semitic hatred.
In Nigeria, Jews have been attacked and killed while studying scripture.

and, in 'south asia'

In Bangladesh, Jewish children are being forced into madrassas. In Pakistan, the body of an 11-year-old Jewish boy was discovered this week; he’d been tortured to death and his lips sliced off.

the insidiuous coverage of the western press

You won’t have heard about this atrocious persecution. That’s because – forgive me – I’ve played one of the oldest tricks in the journalist’s book. For Jews, read Christians. For anti-Semitic, read anti-Christian. For synagogues read churches.
I hope Jewish readers won’t take offence: I’m not denying that actual anti-Semitism is spreading like a virus throughout Arab societies. It’s just that, if these attacks against Christians were being directed against Jews, the precedent of the Holocaust would shock the world into action.
This new persecution is the result of the simultaneous revival of militant Islam in many countries. We can say that with confidence. What we can’t say, however, is that there is a co-ordinated Islamic plot to exterminate Christianity as a stepping stone to a universal caliphate.
Conspiracy theorists may derive emotional satisfaction from this idea, but it doesn’t correspond to the messy politics of the Middle East, North Africa and South Asia. Also, it lets the “Christian” West off the hook.
We have to confront the awkward fact that, for decades, some of the world’s most despicable dictators have protected indigenous Christians from Islamic mobs. When the West withdraws its support from these rulers, Christian minorities are exposed as never before.
The removal of Saddam has eviscerated Iraqi Christian churches so ancient that they still worship in Aramaic, the language of Jesus. The fall of Mubarak means that it’s open season on Copts. Those who can afford to do so may follow the example of Palestinian and Lebanese Christians and emigrate. A key statistic: 100 years ago, the Levant was 20 per cent Christian; now the figure is 5 per cent.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damia ... nt-hatred/

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Aug 2012 18:22

Video Iranians converting to Zoroatrianism? Revenge of the Aryans?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_beTQCH0qE

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 26 Aug 2012 22:12

Apologies if posted earlier, do not follow this thread but thought will share this report.
The World’s Muslims: Unity and Diversity

From its origin on the Arabian Peninsula in the seventh century C.E., Islam has grown into a worldwide religion with more than 1.6 billion adherents – nearly a quarter of the world’s population.1 Today, Muslims live on all inhabited continents and embody a wide range of races, ethnicities and cultures. What beliefs and practices unite these diverse peoples into a single religious community, or ummah? And how do their religious convictions and observances vary?

This report by the Pew Research Center’s Forum on Religion & Public Life seeks to describe both the unity and the diversity of Islam around the globe. It is based on more than 38,000 face-to-face interviews conducted in over 80 languages with Muslims in 39 countries and territories that collectively are home to roughly two-thirds (67%) of all Muslims in the world. The survey includes every country that has a Muslim population of more than 10 million, except those (such as China, India, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Syria) where political sensitivities or security concerns prevented opinion research among Muslims.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 27 Aug 2012 18:44

Taliban behead 17 at Afghan party 'with music and dancing'

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 27 Aug 2012 20:00

I think out the 1.6Billion population estmated, the sub continent with BD 140 Million, Pakistan 190 Million, India 190 Million and Indonasia 220Million, would eeasily account for more than 45% of the Muslims worldwide.

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 27 Aug 2012 20:35

Dipanker wrote:Taliban behead 17 at Afghan party 'with music and dancing'

So, will there be a demonstration in Azad Maidan against these 17 muslims killed?.....
We need to take the urdu press to task by raising this question....

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 27 Aug 2012 21:14

In Pakistan, the body of an 11-year-old Jewish boy was discovered this week; he’d been tortured to death and his lips sliced off.

What kind of animals can torture a child to death in this fashion? Time is coming for the whole world to get together to take on these semi-humans, especially in the Indian subcontinent.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 27 Aug 2012 22:06

varunkumar wrote:
In Pakistan, the body of an 11-year-old Jewish boy was discovered this week; he’d been tortured to death and his lips sliced off.What kind of animals can torture a child to death in this fashion? Time is coming for the whole world to get together to take on these semi-humans, especially in the Indian subcontinent.

VarunKumar, For this you have to study the Hadeeths. Pakis are specially appointed Muslims people to do Allah's work to kill all the Jews before end of the time. 11 year old Chritsian Girl, 11 year olf Jewish boy,13 year old Hindu girl etc are all of their religious obligations.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 27 Aug 2012 22:24

Kati wrote:Taliban behead 17 at Afghan party 'with music and dancing'
So, will there be a demonstration in Azad Maidan against these 17 muslims killed?.....
We need to take the urdu press to task by raising this question....

No that wont happen, our paidmedia and sickulars are busy fighting against the atrocities perpetrated by the hindutva terrorists who had the guts to disrupt the rave parties of their kids in Manglore farmhouses and elsewhere.

And our media has already headlined it : "Hindu Taleban disrupts late night birthday party"

Varun and Jhujar ji , the 11 year boy tortured and disfigured is a Christian rather than a Jew. I will be very surprised if there are any Jews left in Pureland.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 27 Aug 2012 23:24

Significantly, the police official interviewed after this news came out, indicated that he is trying to figure out whether the boy actually committed blasphemy or not. Shows you, that some things are ingrained and cannot be solved.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 27 Aug 2012 23:29

sorry - posted in the wrong thread...

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 28 Aug 2012 01:32

Capturing this here in this thread, with a little more data and the original news item...

98 Hindu refugees had to be evacuated from Muslim camps

Khine Myo Min: Myanmar government authority in Sittwe evacuated ninety eight Hindu refugees from Bengali Muslim dominated refugee camps to downtown Sittwe on Wednesday.

98 people from 18 Hindu families were moved from their current shelter of Thae Chaung and Thak Kay Pron camps to Sittwe city due to increased threats by Bengali Muslim extremists after many reported rapes and attempted rapes and tortures committed by the Bengali Muslims who are majority in the camp.

The transfer was carried out by two military trucks and the Hindu refugees are now living in a Hindu temple located on Mongbagree road.

An officer from Sittwe police station No (1) who do not wish to disclose his identity told RMG that 6 Hindu women including four teenage girls and two house wives were raped by Bengali Muslims during their stay in Thae Chaung camp. "We had to live in a cow butchery. They tried to feed us beef and theaten us with death if we don't convert to Islam. Our kids had to stay inside for 24 hours to avoid beating and other kind of harassment by the Bengali Muslims. The most horrible thing is that our women are being raped one after another and those Bengali Muslim rapists became more daring when the authority did not take any actions. We have to keep guards for days and nights for the safety of our people there. Those periods are really bad in our life.", a Hindu man shared about his experience in Thae Chaung camp.

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It is reported that Bengali Muslims destroyed many Hindu temples during the riot. According to reliable sources, more than 40 Hindus were beheaded and murdered by the Bengali Muslim terrorists in Sittwe, Buthidaung and Maungdaw townships. However, those Hindu victims are not included in the government's official death tolls of the communal riot.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 28 Aug 2012 03:50

You can onlee condemn such behaviour in criminals without religion in Pakiland. But you cannot do anything more - after all it is a different nation. All the methods that usually work - like tit-for-tat [ a fact that is openly acknowledged by our congrez pasand BD voices - extreme and lareg scale atrocities on Hindus in BD should not be undertaken becasue there could be retaliatory action on Muslims in "India" as per these voices] cannot be undertaken because India is the onlee country that needs to maitain its international image about this.

Moreover, such treatment is sanctioned by many theologians from the originland of Saudis - just again need to look at theologians droppings from a couple of years back from saudi sites [they have been muzzled a bit over the last two years - but that does not necessarily mean that caches are unavailable]. India should not work itself up too much on such things because for the first time we have the onlee opportunity to improve relations with our Muslim neighbours, we have prospect of increasing trade with them which wil cure all such evils, and we cannot do anything that might displease the gulf financiers who will help us become super power.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 28 Aug 2012 09:13

It will be interesting to see what happens in Greece - given their economic situation and the natural tendency of a certain community to depend on low paying jobs or handouts, the violence is only going to increase.

Moreover, there is a significant presence of Pakistanis amongst the immigrants - so, rape (especially of underage Greek girls) and crime are only going to increase - this is compounded by a right wing party winning 7% of the seats in the last election.

If 300 illegal immigrants enter Greece every day and a significant number of them are Pakistanis - Greece will start seeing significant acts of terrorism within the next 1-2 years. At 10,000 to 20,000 levels, Spain like situation will happen in Greece.

Pakistanis and others protest in Greece

Greek police say up to 3,000 people have participated in a peaceful demonstration by immigrant groups in Athens to protest racist attacks in the crisis-struck country. Protesters, most of who were from Pakistan, marched to Parliament shouting slogans and brandishing banners. Friday's march was held to protest increasing racist attacks and alleged cases of police brutality against immigrants.

But, if you look deeper, quite a few of the protest signs were about Islam and Islamophobia - see Russia Today - Migrant protests in Greece

But, Pakistanis want special privileges: Greece, Pakistanis, right wing politics etc.

Ekathimerini reported that the Pakistani community in Greece is due to stage a protest against racist violence in Athens on Friday. On Sunday the Muslim population of Athens was given permission to use the Olympic stadium to conduct special EID prayers.

The occasion passed without any violence, though the Pakistani community had objected in advance to Greek citizens, or any members of Golden Dawn, being present in the vicinity.

HMW is concerned about the rise of Golden Dawn in Greece. The far-right party gained seven percent of the vote in June elections and is now represented by 18 members of parliament. It is apparent that in the face of rising crime support for the party has increased since the election. Golden Dawn categorically denies that it is behind any of the attacks against migrants; indeed many attacks that have been described as racist are later shown to have been committed within ethnic migrant groups.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 28 Aug 2012 20:23

Apologies if posted earlier.
Demand for a state within state at Grønland, downtown Olso, Norway link.

We do not want to be a part of norwegian society. .. We do not wish to live together with dirty beasts like you

State of downtown Oslo from url

Grønland is only two subway stops from the Parliament, and one from the Central Station, fairly close to the government offices that were bombed by Breivik.

It looks like Karachi, Basra, and Mogadishu all rolled into one. People sell drugs openly just next to the Grønland subway station.

It's not Norway or Europe anymore, except when there is welfare money to be collected. The police have largely given up. Early in 2010 Aftenposten stated that there are sharia patrols in this area
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In just the past ten years more than 4,000 people have been robbed in the town center and the area of the Grønland police station [an immigrant ghetto].
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They told him that everybody should have the right to feel safe, but that they had no way of halting the robberies. “We have lost the city
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RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 28 Aug 2012 20:34

Yesterday I was watching a Telugu news channel Andhrajyothy with a friend.

They started showing the plight of a muslim group (dont remember the name) in Burma/Myanmar and how ~10 Lakh of them are stripped of their citizenship by Myanmar govt. Few facts mentioned in that news item
- That this group has disputed origins in Myanmar, which claims they are Bangladeshis.
- Aung San Su Kyi's father Aung San (founder of the Communist Party of Burma - Pls note) gave them Myanmar citizenship in 1940s, which was later repealed by the Junta.
- His daughter Aung San Su Kyi replied "I do not know" when she was asked about the citizenship of this muslim group.
- Bangladesh doesn't want to take them (as usual like any other Muslim races in the world - they only give birth to these people but do not take responsibility).
- The ambassador of GCC from Jedda tells us that they support the Burmese citizenship of this group. (Ask our inside sources)
- Most of these people are slipping in to India mainly going to - hold your breath Mumbai, Hyderabad, Kerala etc.,

The news item then tries to project that
- These people are denied their rights (what rights?)
- That the world community (read Hindu/Buddhist baniyas) are cruel
- That UN is the only organization which can save them (read western intervention)
- That Bangladesh and Ummah has no responsibility (they never take any)
.. and so on...

arun · Post by **arun** » 28 Aug 2012 20:52

X Posted from the Islamic Sectarianism thread.

The Mohammadden majority country of Indonesia witnesses Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden violence with adherents of the minority Shia / Shiite sect of Mohammaddenism being targeted and killed by mob made up of co-religionists belonging to the majority Sunni sect:

Two Killed as Hard-liners Attack Shia School Group

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Aug 2012 01:25

Dipanker wrote:Taliban behead 17 at Afghan party 'with music and dancing'

Nightwatch comments:

Afghanistan: Insurgents beheaded 17 people at a party in a village in Musa Qala District, Helmand Province. The victims included two women. This is an area that supposedly was liberated

Comment: Afghanistan remains one of the worst places on Earth to be a woman. Nevertheless, this atrocity in the name of Sharia, crossed the line for most Muslims, even Pashtuns.

The beheadings risk reminding Pashtuns why they supported US forces in chasing the Taliban leadership and their acolytes out of Kabul and into Quetta, Pakistan, more than a decade ago. The Taliban will rue this act of brutality. Eleven years ago even the Pashtuns thought Americans were better than Taliban and Saudi Arabian thugs. This atrocity might help them remember.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Aug 2012 02:03

X-Post...

venug wrote:JohneeG ji, nice analysis. What if the problem is inherent in the very concept of islam? I think TSP is a special case or the case where in it is like immune system turned inward. If you look to the middle east, the birth place of Islam, they have problems too:
Iran<->Saudia Arabia and others (shia-sunni equation)
In Europe -> any muslim->christian equation
TSP is unique in that now the equation is more purer version having been surrounded by:
bania, shia, good talibani version of islam
so the fights and wars are because of nature of the beast the islam. The beast itself hasn't defined what it is, so may be it confuses it's own mirror image as it's own enemy that it will fight itself to death.

The real origins are with Abraham when he came up with the idea of Covenant and chosen people. His reasons were to provide an identity for his people in foreign lands which had a multitude of gods and those lands were the domains of those gods i.e. one had to submit to those gods as you travelled. He came up with the idea that God was with his chosen people and didnt need to submit to other gods.

Now Moses added monotheism. Still it wasnt bad as his Messanic Laws applied only to his people who had to be born in that group.

Jesus applied his ideas of belief in Savior etc only to his people.

Once the Romans(Paul/Saul) hijacked the idea and allowed conversion the questions that johneeG brought up come about.
Then we have Muhammad coming up with his own version for those left out of the Roman compact of Nicea.
The first schism came with Ali and his earlier three Caliphs.
Then we have the Kharjites and so on.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 29 Aug 2012 22:30

Fighting continues in Mombasa after death of radical Islamist preacher

Police and protesters fought running battles as a violent backlash to the killing of a radical Islamic preacher carried into a second day in Kenya's second-largest city of Mombasa. The fighting has left several people hospitalised including seven injured in a grenade attack, police and human rights officials have said.

Human rights groups say the killing on Monday of Aboud Rogo Mohammed, who was shot as he drove in his car with his family, falls into a pattern of extrajudicial killings and forced disappearances of suspected terrorists, allegedly being orchestrated by Kenyan police. The attack has brought to the surface tensions in a city established centuries ago by Muslim traders from the Arabian peninsula and the Indian subcontinent, now home to hundreds of thousands of people of Arab descent and a large Somali population.

Hussein Khalid of the Muslims for Human Rights group claimed police were using teargas against stone-throwing protesters. Khalid said one person was stabbed and hospitalised on Tuesday.

Mohammed was recently sanctioned by the US government and the UN for his alleged connection to an al-Qaida-linked Somali militant group, al-Shabab. He is the fifth alleged Muslim extremist who has been killed or who has disappeared in the last four months, according to human rights campaigners. One corpse was found mutilated and the other four men vanished

Police believe Mohammed had ties to al-Qaida and was part of a terror cell with links to al-Shabab militants that was planning to carry out bomb attacks in Kenya over Christmas. Other members of the cell are said to include Briton Samantha Lewthwaite, who police say is on the run. She is the widow of Jermaine Lindsay, one of the suicide bombers who killed 52 commuters in multiple bombings of London's transport system on 7 July 2005.

"Alleged "muslim terrorists have human rights group for defence!!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Aug 2012 22:40

X-post...

Atri wrote:JohneeG garu

These are slightly old views of mine.. Some of them have changed since I wrote this...

Understanding Islamic social power-structure: Critical Appraisal of Muhammad from perspective of memetics

Introduction

Philosophers come up with all sorts of philosophies they feel like. We have whole range of them. They are originators of memes.

The blame for misuse of ideologies and subsequent massacre of people lie on the head of kings and policy makers who utilize the suitable meme from available set of memes for gaining political mileage. Just like Constantine for life time was massacring Christians and on his death bed, accepted Christianity and started massacring Pagans. Constantine made Jesus as popular as he is today. Ashok made Buddha as popular. Without Constantine and Ashok, Jesus and Buddha were just another philosophers.

Muhammad was one of the very few originators of religious memes who patronized himself to become so successful. He did not depend upon some king. This shows that he was a successful human being. He became an authentic policy-maker of his kingdom and as I said, political policy-makers are the ones to blame primarily for misuse of the ideological memes. Muhammad being originator and implementor of Islam, gets both the accolades for being so immensely successful and criticisms for using his own philosophy for gaining political mileage.

The character was Adolf Hitler showed slightly similar trajectory. He came up with philosophy, he got power, he implemented his philosophy and became immensely popular. And later, infamous !!!

Muhammad was a man of power and always aspired to be one. He was an ambitious man. I am just looking at him as an ambitious politician and a human being, instead of divine messenger. This was not the case with Moses and Jesus as they were just another philosophers and not politicians and policy-makers. They came up with philosophy, people utilized it for their good and evil.

This "Islam in danger" mentality is the real pain in the ass for Muslims. Sadly Muslims don't recognize this. This is denotes the influence of Mullah-theocracy under whose exasperating influence lies the Muslim society, and will cause their doom in coming days.

The social power-structure

A Qazi or a Mullah controls the social matters and ascertains the "report-card" of spiritual progress of ordinary Abdul. And sad part is ordinary Abdul in India can't even think of rebelling because if he does, he will be branded as "enemy of Islam" by power-establishment and will bring "Islam in danger". Hence, Jihad against him.

"One God-One Book-One Prophet-No Pork" was so far the best definition of Islam given to me by an illiterate Thai-Muslim cleaning lady in my dormitory. This is the central dogma. Around this central dogma has developed a system in which Mullah who uses this opiate (of religion) to control masses and usurps power, himself consumed by the one. Thus, once a part of system which gives you enormous power as long as you keep ordinary Abdul frightened of divine wrath, it is an extremely seductive offer.

Ordinary Abdul is prohibited to learn Quran in his mother-tongue. He is prohibited and threatened with his life, he tries and makes his own interpretation of the book which somehow goes against this power-structure. He is forced to suspend his critical faculties in favour of faith and fear of Sky-daddy. He is actively dissuaded from free-thinking.

This power-structure is inherently linked perhaps with the nature and Chitta-Vritti of Prophet Muhammad himself. Belief in Allah is not enough to ensure the place in heaven. One has to depend upon Muhammad's favours and his influence on god to go to heaven and get 72 hoors. Thus, Muhammad made himself more powerful than Allah.

Thus, in Islam for all practical purposes, Muhammad, the Rasool, is supremely powerful figure. This is as perfect and complete as it can get. Muhammad will only talk to Allah about you if you were a true Muslim.

But who determines who the true-Muslim is and who is not, herein lies the real crux of the issue.

Historical aspects of expansion of Islamic power-structure

Muhammad made himself irreplaceable and went to Jannat. But he left behind a power-structure which was perfectly organized in otherwise dispersed pre-Islamic Arabia. Thus, this power-structure was perfected and cemented by Islamic expansion under first four Caliphs.

Interesting thing is that, the important civilizations of that age were Western-Roman, Eastern-Roman, Egyptian, Carthaginian, Persian, Indian, Chinese. Persians and Byzantines (eastern-Roman) were exhausted in long warfare with each other. Persia in particular; which also had similarly modelled monotheistic power-structure of one-main god (Ahura Mazda)-One messenger (Zarathushtra)-One book (Zend Avesta).

Egypt was decadent. Carthinigians were ideologically stagnated for some time. Byzantines were strong because they had new influx of ideas from all over the world Istanbul being on silk-route, had access to traders, technologies and most importantly ideas from China, India, Persia, Israel, Greece and Rome. Thus, it took time for Islam to overcome Byzantines.

The biggest losers in the expanding power-structure of Islam were Persians and Egyptians; Persians in particular. The soft-monotheism of Zoroastrian Persia could not counter the hard and perfected monotheism of Islam. The military might of Persia was already weakened due to Byzantine wars. Hence Persia crumbled. Yet, time and again, Persia, unlike egypt, has shown that its old civilization is not dead yet. The memory is still very much alive in subconscious minds of Persians. The most glaring example of this is the persistent popularity of "Shahnama" by "Firdowsi" in Persia for over a thousand years now.

Bhaarat or India, OTOH, was a different ball game for Islam. Arabs could not conquer any part of region which was under influence of Indic civilization for at-least 250 years since their first raid on Sindh in 640 AD. Until 711 AD, there were many successive waves which were thoroughly repelled. Muhd bin Qasim successfully ventured into Sindh. However, arabs were gradually replaced by Sumer Rajputs in Sindh. Battle of Rajasthan completely nullified any Islamic influence in subcontinent for almost 300 years.

Interestingly, Afghanistan resisted Islamization for 250 years after fall and Islamization of Persia. The most interesting thing, worth noting is that central Asia (turkmenistan, Khazak, tajikistan etc) was conquered and Islamized about centure before Gaandhar and Afghanistan was. And within 20 years of fall of afghanistan, the Islamic raids started on Gaandhar and Kekay. This shows the influence and resilience of Indic civilization.

The Islamic expansion in India was primarily Central-Asian. Central Asian tribal mentality has been eternal enemy of Indic civilization since Rigvedic days and battle of ten kings. This mentality was always invasive towards throughout the history. Just that after Islamization, this tendency became more rabid and malignant. Destructive, it always was. But ideologically inferior and barbaric than Indic civilization.

But, this was not new to Bhaarat and Indic civilization was accustomed to assimilating new tribes, people, ideas and memes from central asia and perfectly Indianize them. Scythians, Kushans, Huns, Yavans and many others are glaring examples of this fact. The central asian variant of Islam too was gradually on verge of Indianization. Dara-Shikoh was the primary example of this co-synthesis of new Indianized traditions. The turning point in Indian Islam came with advent of Aurangzeb in 17th century. Herein, lies the place of Aurangzeb, and hence Shivaji, in Indian history. The defeat of Dara was IMHO one of the most tragic incidence in Indian history. Without Aurangzeb, there would have been a perfectly Indian variant of Islam.

Propagation

Propagation of Islam is in fact propagation of Mullah-based social power-structure associated with it.

Sufis played a major role, yes. But once Islam was established, they found themselves enlisted as Kaafirs along with other Kaafirs. Any established monolithic power-structure does not like influx of new ideas. Rather it wants controlled influx of new ideas. They prefer standardisation and mass-production over innovation. This ensures efficient execution of power-machinery.

Even where Sufis introduced their abstract free-thinking ideas, this free-thinking was standardised and all anomalies were removed by forcible imposition and dominance of Deobandi Islam, which is now followed by Wahabi Islam. Wahabism is so far the most efficiently standardised school of Islam with maximum devotion of followers towards Qazi-Mullah power structure and minimum anomalies. Anomalies are looked upon as abnormalities and are violently uprooted. They follow the literal meaning of the book.

They can and have declared non-Wahabis as Kuffars. But so far, no Deobandi or Barelvi or Sufi or Shia or ahmediya or Bahai people have dared to declare Wahabism as Kufr and un-Islamic. The power structure, along with separation of Abdul and Ayesha from ability to think rationally, gives propagation of Deobandi and Wahabi forms of Islam maximum mileage. Most of others are already enlisted as Kaafirs and are on target list of suicide bombers eager to meet their 72 in paradise. This is because, deep down, every Mullah knows, that he cannot defeat the Wahabi interpretation of Quran as Non-Islamic unless Quran is reformed, which is not allowed. Hence it seems that deobandis will have to merge in with Wahabis or become as fanatic as Wahabis.

The cycle initiated for grabbing and then cementing a lucrative position in the power-structure (Qazi/Mullah) initiated by Prophet Muhammad ends in Wahabization of Islam.

Concluding observations

Finally, it can said that, evolution and adaptation is fact of life which every replicating entity has to accept. And that evolution is best suited for the survival of a replicating entity or meme, when it is in harmony with surrounding or if it forces its surrounding to be in harmony with self.

Islam, when initiated, introduced much needed standardisation in otherwise free-thinking and dispersed Arabs. Standardization helps in efficient survival where resources are scarce and cost of living in terms of energy is high. Civilizations like India where resources are abundant and cost of living in terms of energy is ridiculously low, are better off being free-thinking and non-standardised because it is best suited for progress of mankind. Violent suppression of critical faculties of certain section of people leads to dissatisfaction between free-thinkers (Indic people) and standardised products (Sunni Muslims of Deobandi and Wahabi schools in particular) and hence leads to conflict.

Once ordinary Ayesha (common muslim woman) is emancipated from clutches of Qazi/Mullah based power-structure, the demise of this power-structure won't be far behind. It will be matter of one or two generations that this power-structure will meet its 72. Once Ayesha is emancipated, she will free Abduls as well. Because it is woman who holds the string of cradle and hence entire civilization.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Aug 2012 22:52

Atri, Re-reading your analysis it struck me that Wahabi/Deobandi groups are like regression in the progression of Islam. Its like the Kharjites took over the mainstream Islam.
From study of history, usually its a sign of future decay/demise when fundamentalists/conservatives take over as it halts the progress or linear march of a movement.
Hope am right.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 30 Aug 2012 08:19

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Atri · Post by **Atri** » 31 Aug 2012 02:16

ramana wrote:Atri, Re-reading your analysis it struck me that Wahabi/Deobandi groups are like regression in the progression of Islam. Its like the Kharjites took over the mainstream Islam.
From study of history, usually its a sign of future decay/demise when fundamentalists/conservatives take over as it halts the progress or linear march of a movement.
Hope am right.

Ramana ji,

my attempt at Purva-Paksha (यथामती)... I have numbered the "purva paksha Sutras" and "Teeka (commentary)" follows.

1. Any meme which wishes to survive beyond era of its inception has to have an infallible core.

2. Muslims are caught between "drive to live/evolve/excel" and "drive to be righteous"...

Usually, in Dharmik systems, we have separate "shastras" to deal with both these drives.. (artha and dharma respectively. I am not even bothering to use the word Moksha and Adhyatma for Islam). The inherent "separateness" of these two Purusharthas (although linked, not completely severed like Secularism) makes it difficult for a dharmik to comprehend the nature and magnitude of churning which goes on in muslim mind. Unlike Dharma, Deen and Daulat cannot be separated in Islam (as in all abrahmic faiths).

3. In Islam, their "infallible" (Qur'an and hadith) is almost a universal set. Shruti which is our infallible core, is not.

Furthermore, Shruti - which work of thousands of seers, criticized and peer-reviewed by thousands of other seers, all this process being extended over thousands of years of continuous composition, has enough material which can very effortlessly sustain and hold together vastly contradictory ideas and memes. There is plenty of "digestion time" spent in the process. Something which did not happen and is impossible to happen in one man's life-time (no matter how talented he is). Even if we see islam as continuity of Judaic tradition extending over millennium and half prior to birth of Muhammad, it still does not pass the crucial criteria of "rigorous peer review" by multiple composers. This peer-review is missing in Judaic tradition.

4. There exist at the least three types of "Pramaanas". Pratyaksha (direct experience), Anumaana (logical interpretation) and Shabda (word in literature).

While examining Shruti, a Dhaarmik is expected to give importance to Pratyaksha Pramaana, but here "pratyaksha" pramaana, means direct experience. Then comes Anumaana and then one has to test what Shruti (Shabda) has to say about it.

While Examining Deen, one is supposed to give primary importance to Shabda (words written in good book). Second is Anumaana (various Firqas and sects) and last is Pratyaksha (the qalandars, sufis, who are detested by all good muslims who believe in "Shabda-Praamanya").

So, when this tussle between drive to live and drive to be righteous arises, a Muslim who has understood the "essence" of dharma simply deletes (in his mind) those parts of "Deen" which comes in way of his "drive to live/evolve/excel". This is what we call as "Swadharma", the drive which made us utter "Tamaso Maa Jyotir gamaya".

For most muslims, Deen being infallible is beyond question - these are foot soldiers who follow orders of Mullah in matters of religion. Those who do question, are caught in dilemma - Whether to give primary importance to Pratyaksha pramaana and have courage to delete those ideas in Deen which do not conform with his "Anubhava" OR to give primary importance to "Shabda praamanya" as Mullah (and Deen) tells.

5. Dharmik individuals give importance to Pratyaksha Pramana and then Anumaana while testing the efficacy of Shabda.

Rest who cannot muster courage to test Deen with their experience and rely on Shabda (for which they have to depend upon a mullah who understands Arabic) have to undergo one further test.. The qualitative difference in "shabda" (the infallible core) as discussed in commentary of sutra 3, is to be applied here. When testing efficacy of Shabda alone, Dharmik-ness of individual depends upon dharmik-ness of Shabda under consideration.

6. How to prioritize Anumaana pramaana (various interpertations) is the next test.

Wahabis are those who eliminate this second Pramana as well (to highest extent) and rely only and solely on "Shabda Pramaana". No interpretations, take literal meaning, and one gets what the shabda really means and wishes to say.

From this (Deen's) perspective, those relying on Pratyaksha Pramanas are kafirs 1.0. Later, once these are removed, those relying on Anumaana Pramaana (which is different from mine) are kafirs 2.0. This is a the crunch situation when expansion-based sociopolity of Deen cannot be continued. What remains thereafter, is utopia of true believers. This is in fact progression and not regression.

Phalashruti - Vast majority of Muslims in Indian subcontinent are like lotus leaves. For millennia, they have been surrounded by Dharma and Dhaarmiks. Yet, this sense of Dharma has not percolated in them, they have remained "dry" in spite of being in water.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 31 Aug 2012 02:27

Excellent. Perhaps those within the Indic who wanted a way out - and wanted to remain "dry" - were attracted to the fold. Perhaps we failed to have anticipated this need. Next redux, this has to be taken care of.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 31 Aug 2012 02:50

Atri wrote:4. There exist at the least three types of "Pramaanas". Pratyaksha (direct experience), Anumaana (logical interpretation) and Shabda (word in literature).

While examining Shruti, a Dhaarmik is expected to give importance to Pratyaksha Pramaana, but here "pratyaksha" pramaana, means direct experience. Then comes Anumaana and then one has to test what Shruti (Shabda) has to say about it.

While Examining Deen, one is supposed to give primary importance to Shabda (words written in good book). Second is Anumaana (various Firqas and sects) and last is Pratyaksha (the qalandars, sufis, who are detested by all good muslims who believe in "Shabda-Praamanya").

So, when this tussle between drive to live and drive to be righteous arises, a Muslim who has understood the "essence" of dharma simply deletes (in his mind) those parts of "Deen" which comes in way of his "drive to live/evolve/excel". This is what we call as "Swadharma", the drive which made us utter "Tamaso Maa Jyotir gamaya".

For most muslims, Deen being infallible is beyond question - these are foot soldiers who follow orders of Mullah in matters of religion. Those who do question, are caught in dilemma - Whether to give primary importance to Pratyaksha pramaana and have courage to delete those ideas in Deen which do not conform with his "Anubhava" OR to give primary importance to "Shabda praamanya" as Mullah (and Deen) tells.

5. Dharmik individuals give importance to Pratyaksha Pramana and then Anumaana while testing the efficacy of Shabda.

Atri ji,
Here's an interesting ayat, often quoted by "sufi" types. Qur'an 17:36: "And do not pursue that of which you have no knowledge. Indeed, the hearing, the sight and the core of the heart - about all those [one] will be questioned."

The Ibn Katheer commentary mentions that the order of pramANas here is significant - hearing, sight, and core of the heart. Therefore the sufi will proceed accordingly. However, "popular theologians" for the masses will always emphasize a "faith over reason" kind of attitude. In Islam, this is by far the predominant view, since it is a cult engineered for social control and mobilization.

In the Indic view, dharma and artha are "separate" in the sense that they are parallel, and one can feed into the other. Faith and Ability. I see this in Islamic commentaries too, but their notion of Deen is mainly in terms of doctrinal and communal affiliation. Whereas in the Indic view, Dharma is usually in terms of personal realization and service to humanity.

So even among most Sufis who take a view of pramANas that is like Indic philosophy, their orientation is such that it ultimately reinforces doctrinal affiliation and communal identification over other human dynamics. We see this a lot with all people who pursue their spiritual effort within the context of a particular school or maTha. They ultimately come around to affirming their maTha. But because of the long and variegated traditions that are woven to make up Indic traditions, a stable context is available in which these statements can be evaluated neutrally - i.e. separate from group-identifications. But Islam lacks that.

"Insanity in individuals is rare - but in groups, parties, nations, and epochs, it is the rule."
- Nietzsche

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 31 Aug 2012 03:19

Man, this is wah wah stuff! From Vedas to Nietszche
Hope you guys blog it for the rest of the world.

ramana

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 31 Aug 2012 18:51

Carl wrote: Atri ji,
Here's an interesting ayat, often quoted by "sufi" types. Qur'an 17:36: "And do not pursue that of which you have no knowledge. Indeed, the hearing, the sight and the core of the heart - about all those [one] will be questioned."

The Ibn Katheer commentary mentions that the order of pramANas here is significant - hearing, sight, and core of the heart. Therefore the sufi will proceed accordingly. However, "popular theologians" for the masses will always emphasize a "faith over reason" kind of attitude. In Islam, this is by far the predominant view, since it is a cult engineered for social control and mobilization.

"Insanity in individuals is rare - but in groups, parties, nations, and epochs, it is the rule."
- Nietzsche

Carl ji,

Ibn Katheer in fact corroborates what I said. Relying on what you hear (shabda from Qur'an) is more important than your pratyaksha anubhava in "core of your heart". Popular theologians, too basically say the same thing. Rely on shabda (what you hear from Mullah OR read from HOKO is most important). Unless I am misunderstanding, this again underlines the natural progression towards Wahabism.

The words, Pratyaksha, Anumaana and Shabda are to be taken in context. In terms of "philosophy" and "adhyatma", the pratyaksha pramana is not something which we can see OR hear, but what we experience within. That is pratyaksha pramana. One cannot see OR hear Samadhi, one can only experience it when diving deep within.

As Kabir said, "जिन खोजा तिन पाइयाँ गहरे पानी पैठ, मैं बौरी ढूँढन गयी, रही किनारे बैठ" (Those who were searching for it, found it while diving deep within. Stupid me, stayed in shallow waters, afraid of depths).

ramana wrote:Man, this is wah wah stuff! From Vedas to Nietszche
Hope you guys blog it for the rest of the world.

ramana

Perhaps, after some more peer-review, I will put it online.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 31 Aug 2012 23:37

Atri wrote:Ibn Katheer in fact corroborates what I said. Relying on what you hear (shabda from Qur'an) is more important than your pratyaksha anubhava in "core of your heart". Popular theologians, too basically say the same thing. Rely on shabda (what you hear from Mullah OR read from HOKO is most important). Unless I am misunderstanding, this again underlines the natural progression towards Wahabism.

1. Hmm, that's an interesting take. Ibn Katheer's and others standard commentaries are strangely curt on this point. They merely say that the order is important, but don't say what that is supposed to mean.

2. Islamic theology does put a lot of emphasis on Allah's "hidayah" ("guidance" or "command") within the heart. The greatest popular theologian, Ghazzali, wrote a book al-Munqidh min ad-Dalaal ("Deliverance from Error"), in which he agonizes over the problem of doubts in religious life and doctrines and methods. He then says that the only way out is through Allah's mercy in the heart that destroys all doubts! So either you're chosen by Allah or (S)He himself makes you impervious to His guidance. Then he goes all out and abuses non-sunni sects, but is apologetic for the Sufis.

You're right, though, their idea of hidayah is to seek in the "heart" confirmation of what one is reading/being told. In many ways this can be mis-applied in a hypnotic way, by convincing the hearer to turn his back to the exterior world, thereby leaving the doors of the mind unguarded and making him susceptible to suggestion.

3. OTOH, there is the famous hadeeth in which Prophet Mohammad is supposed to have said that one should simultaneously read the Book of Allah (Qur'an) in the right hand and the Book of the Universe in the left hand. So there is a control-mechanism between empirical observation and anubhUti.

My personal understanding of Vedic ideas on this is that the material world keeps us honest. If something has been found "within" then that claim must be tested in some way on the material world. If it contradicts or leads to unpredictable behaviour that is contra-survival, then it is false data. The magnitude of its effect is also to be observed. Thus, the material universe is important to spiritual life. Its basic challenge is to survive -- in many different ways:
as a body,
as a family and sexual impetus,
as a common group,
as humanity,
as all sentient beings,
as all matter/energy and space/time,
as a spirit,
and in communion with God/Infinity.

The trick is that one of these modes of survival should not conflict with another mode. Or rather, observations, considerations and decisions made by the being should be for the greatest good of the greatest number of these modes of survival, even if one or two are sacrificed. This is the best use of anumAna. The word "consideration" < Latin "con" + "sidera" = "together with all the stars". An astrological reference!

Added:
Due to some premature insistence, stubbornness and arrogance, Islamism is often found to protect the lower modes at the cost of the higher. Whereas in the recent state of Dharmic religions, there is a dishonest disconnect from the lower modes of survival with lots of claims about the higher modes.

Added later:
IMHO to correct this, Dharmic religions need to re-define the sense of "group" survival - as a co-ordinated civilization. Whereas Islamism and Abrahamic religions need to have their "packaged solution" paradigm thoroughly uninstalled and then re-imported as "unmanaged solutions".