
Pakistan military groups pray for bin Laden
Checkout this old video @18 secs....the compere clearly saying "Holding Bin Laden in his(Mushrador) country, though!" or maybe I am hearing things...SwamyG wrote:Jon Stewart mocking Pakistan, ISI, Musharaaf ityadi; he is poking as many holes as possible in Paki parachute. He reaches more young people than probably only Cartoon Network.
When a woman involved in a polio vaccine drive turned up at Osama bin Laden's hideaway, she remarked to the men behind the high walls about the expensive SUVs parked inside. The men took the vaccine, apparently to administer to the 23 children at the compound, and told her to go away.
The terror chief and his family kept well hidden behind thick walls in this northwestern hill town they shared with thousands of Pakistani soldiers. But glimpses of their life are emerging — along with deep skepticism that authorities didn't know they were there.
Although the house is large, it was unclear how three dozen people could have lived there with any degree of comfort.
Neighbors said they knew little about those inside in the compound but bin Laden apparently depended on two men who would routinely emerge to run errands or to a neighborhood gathering, such as a funeral. There were conflicting details about the men's identities. Several people said they were known as Tariq and Arshad Khan and had identified themselves as cousins from elsewhere in northwestern Pakistan. Others gave different names and believed they were brothers.
Arshad was the oldest, and both spoke multiple languages, including Pashto and Urdu, which are common here, residents said.
As Navy SEALs swept through the compound early Monday, they handcuffed those they encountered with plastic zip ties and pressed on in pursuit of bin Laden. After killing the terror leader, his son and two others, they doubled back to move nine women and 23 children away from the compound, according to U.S. officials.
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Construction of the three-story house began about seven years ago, locals said. People initially were curious about the heavily fortified compound — which had walls as high as 18 feet topped with barbed wire — but over time they just grew to believe the family inside was deeply religious and conservative.
The Pakistani government also pushed back at suggestions that security forces were sheltering bin Laden or failed to spot suspicious signs.
"It needs to be appreciated that many houses (in the northwest) have high boundary walls, in line with their culture of privacy and security,"the government said. "Houses with such layout and structural details are not a rarity."
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Those who live nearby said the people in bin Laden's compound rarely strayed outside. Most were unaware that foreigners — bin Laden and his family are Arabs — were living there.
Khurshid Bibi, in her 70s, said one man living in the compound had given her a lift to the market in the rain. She said her grandchildren played with the kids in the house and that the adults there gave them rabbits as a gift.
But the occupants also attracted criticism.
"People were skeptical in this neighborhood about this place and these guys. They used to gossip, say they were smugglers or drug dealers. People would complain that even with such a big house they didn't invite the poor or distribute charity," said Mashood Khan, a 45-year-old farmer.
Questions persisted about how authorities could not have known who was living in the compound, especially since it was close to a prestigious military academy.
As in other Pakistani towns, hotels in Abbottabad are supposed to report the presence of foreigners to the police, as are estate agents. Abbottabad police chief Mohammed Naeem said the police followed the procedures but "human error cannot be avoided."
Reporters were allowed to get as far as the walls of the compound for the first time, but the doors were sealed shut and police were in no mood to open them. Neighbors showed off small parts of what appeared to be a U.S. helicopter that malfunctioned and was disabled by the American strike team as it retreated. A small servant's room outside the perimeter showed signs of violent entry and a brisk search. Clothes and bedding had been tossed aside. A wall clock was on the floor, the time stuck at 2:20.
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The first time Indian security agencies gave this information to the US authorities was in mid-2007, soon after a Taliban meeting in Peshawar which was attended by Osamas No.2 Ayman al-Zawahiri. According to the information gathered by Indian intelligence operatives, this meeting was also attended by top leaders of Haqqani network and at least two ISI officials.
In the next six months, Indian operatives every now and then came up with information about movement of Osamas confidants in the region. The next definite input passed on to the US agencies by Indian officials was in early 2008 when there was specific mention made of his illness and his likely presence in a cantonment area. "This time we specifically mentioned about his presence in a cantonment area. It was because we had definite information that his movement was restricted owing to his illness and that it would have been impossible for him to go to an ordinary hospital. We told the Americans that only in a cantonment area could he be looked after by his ISI or other Pakistani benefactors," said the official.
OBL's house was 100 yards from a Pak army Major who works for Pak Army Medical corps.Anantha wrote:Times Now: Osama's youngest wife with was a doctor- a strategic move so that his medical issues had good attention.
U.S. security aid to Pakistan already is conditioned under Section 203 of the Enhanced Partnership with Pakistan Act of 2009. According to the law, the U.S. Secretary of State must certify to Congress that Pakistan has "demonstrated sustained commitment to and is making significant efforts towards combating terrorist groups" consistent with the purposes of U.S. assistance. On March 18, 2011, Hillary Clinton certified that Pakistan met these benchmarks for fiscal year 2010.![]()
Its not a rip off..its called Satire.SwamyG wrote:It is a rip-off of Jack Nicholson's dialog from the movie "A Few Good Men": http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104257/quotessaket wrote:****Must Read Jack Nicholson's response to pakistan (from a comment in WSJ by Kurt McFarlane)
Philip's take on this via email linkramana wrote:A big question is why didn't US feel they needn't get OBL in 2001? They let him escape to TSP an gave ~$2B subsidy/dole to keep him. TSP can pretend to corral him.
Now suddenly in 2011 they decide that they have to get him dead than alive.
But talking of caves, Bin Laden's demise does bring Pakistan into grim focus. For months, President Ali Zardari has been telling us that Bin Laden was living in a cave in Afghanistan. Now it turns out he was living in a mansion in Pakistan. Betrayed? Of course he was. By the Pakistan military or the Pakistan Inter-Services Intelligence? Quite possibly both. Pakistan knew where he was.
Not only was Abbottabad the home of the country's military college – the town was founded by Major James Abbott of the British Army in 1853 – but it is headquarters of Pakistan's Northern Army Corps' 2nd Division. Scarcely a year ago, I sought an interview with another "most wanted man" – the leader of the group believed responsible for the Mumbai massacres. I found him in the Pakistani city of Lahore – guarded by uniformed Pakistani policemen holding machine guns.
ISLAMABAD - United States officials modified their narrative on Osama bin Laden's killing on Monday in the Pakistani town of Abbottabad to protect Pakistan's broader interests against threats from militants, saying that the Pakistanis had little involvement.
Before Bin Laden's killing, hardly 10% of pro-Taliban militants were fighting against Pakistan. That is, 90% disagreed with Pakistan's policy of aligning with the US in the "war on terror", but they chose to keep their focus on fighting foreign forces in Afghanistan. Bin Laden's death has invited the wrath of all groups.
For example, the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP - Pakistan Taliban), immediately announced it would avenge his death and declared Pakistan the number one enemy and the US as number two. On Monday evening, a suicide attack was carried out against police in Khyber Pakhtoonkhwa province, in which Abbottabad is located. The TTP claimed responsibility
In essence, by 2011 al-Qaeda had turned into a kind of hornet's nest capable of opening war fronts in different places at the same time, or focusing its energies on a single front. Bin Laden's killing has frozen all previous plans and according to sources in North Waziristan, schemes have morphed into two parts: immediate reaction against Pakistan and a long-term scheme against the West and India.
Jon Stewart played that clip today..he blasted Mush for lying to him and said that he (JS) served him 40 year old twinkies to him in the showanishns wrote:
Checkout this old video @18 secs....the compere clearly saying "Holding Bin Laden in his(Mushrador) country, though!" or maybe I am hearing things...
Then why are the Yanks shocked now???
And later...."You are a victim of Al Qaeda...2 assassination attempts on your life.....both on the same bridge though!![]()
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http://www.sify.com/news/will-of-osama- ... aafah.htmlKuwait City: Al Qaeda founder Osama Bin Laden did not want his children to join the terrorist organisation, the Kuwait-based Al-Anbaa newspaper said citing his last will and testament.
In a four-page document dated Dec 14, 2001, written on a computer and signed 'Your Brother Abu Abdullah Osama Muhammad Bin Laden,' the late Al Qaeda leader predicted he would be killed as a result of a 'betrayal' and ordered his wives to not remarry.
OBL is not just a person but they created a movement around him giving him international publicity to rouse the Islamic radicals world wide including Indian muslims. This hardcore radicalization was used as a anti american movement after 911 to keep the WOT running. Most of the muslims inclined for radical thought fell for it and joined it everywhere.ramana wrote:A big question is why didn't US feel they needn't get OBL in 2001? They let him escape to TSP an gave ~$2B subsidy/dole to keep him. TSP can pretend to corral him.
Now suddenly in 2011 they decide that they have to get him dead than alive.
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Shiv, As was speculated early in this thread India did provide info on OBL to US. But wont be acknowledged.
Ah....ArmenT wrote:From /.
Seems that Wikileaks leaked out a bunch of documents last week, where there is a document from 2008 naming one of the couriers. This might have forced the US to accelerate their plan and attack over the weekend.
Folks, the ONLY new development in the whole saga is that US has decided to move in even at expense of Pakistan's remaining rag-tag izzat (Izzat onleee in US of A).
Everyone of note already knew what has to be known. The Pakis knew, the US knew, the Saudi's knew the Indians knew, they all knew that everyone else knows. Some knew more fine grained details than others, but most knew sufficient details.
So why the precipitate move NOW? Elections? CIA-ISI fallout? Wikileaks coming up with his precise location being the site for a Mike Mullen/Mullah Omar meeting?
Let discuss the importance of the timing folks.Shiv wrote: India had twice told US about Osama's likely presence close to Islamabad
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 156230.cms
ramana wrote: A big question is why didn't US feel they needn't get OBL in 2001? They let him escape to TSP an gave ~$2B subsidy/dole to keep him. TSP can pretend to corral him.
Now suddenly in 2011 they decide that they have to get him dead than alive.
Well, it's Robert Fisk. So I'm not surprised at the spin.Ravi Karumanchiri wrote:^^^ I don't believe the demise of OBL results from any kind of betrayal from any kind of Pakistani. They get no credit, in my book.
Saket, That's from A Few Good Mensaket wrote:****Must Read Jack Nicholson's response to pakistan (from a comment in WSJ by Kurt McFarlane)
Pakistan, terrorists live in mansions surrounded by walls, and those walls have to be scaled by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You weep for your sovereignty and you curse the SEALs. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what we know: that the death of your sovereignty, while tragic, probably saved lives. And our existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives! You don't want the truth, because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want the SEALs scaling that wall! You need them on that wall! We have neither the time nor the inclination to explain ourselves to a country that rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that we provide, and then questions the manner in which we provide it! We’d rather you just said "Thank you," and went on your way. Otherwise, we suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post or ,better yet, get an intelligence agency that isn’t working against us. Either way, we don't give a da_mn what you think you are entitled to!
Col. Jessep: Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. WeinburgGen Kiya-hai-ni? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep forSantiagoOsmama, and you curse themarinesSEALs. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. ThatSantiago'sOsmama's death,while tragicwhile comic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use themas a punchlinefor getting GUBOed by US. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanketof the very freedomfrom the money that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up aweaponVaseline box, and standa postGUBOed. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
Airavat, It is an ISI safe house. Pure and simple. Pakis were harboring Osmama.Airavat wrote:Plenty of documentation is required for constructing any kind of house, not to mention such a huge mansion:Manny wrote:Its a military cantonment/Garrison city. What Pakistan is saying is, an Indian agent could have come here to our military cantonment and built this place up and made himself a listening post and we wouldn't have known or checked that new high wall compound and that has this high wire fencing out.
Allotment letter
Possession order
Site Plan and sub-divided site plan
All paid utility bills and challans
Approval and completion of the building plan
Completion certificate
Transfer/Mutation Order
Power of Attorney, duly executed in the office of the Sub-registrar concerned.
And how about all the regulations and building permits required for the high walls and barbed wire. Who authorised all that?
[/quote]ManuT wrote:Just providing link (for my earlier post)
Earlier, an ISI official told the BBC's Owen Bennett-Jones in Islamabad that the agency raided the compound in Abbottabad, just 100km (62 miles) from the capital, when it was under construction. It was believed an al-Qaeda operative, Abu Faraj al-Libi, was there.
But since then, "the compound was not on our radar, it is an embarrassment for the ISI", the official said. "We're good, but we're not God."
This is the compound in 2004He told the BBC's Owen Bennett-Jones in Islamabad that the compound in Abbottabad, just 100km (62 miles) from the capital, was raided when under construction in 2003.
Really, the ISI on the trail of Osama when it was setting the trail for him?shyamd wrote:They've been on his trail. Multiple intel agencies (ISI, CIA & KSA GID) reported his trips to see hekmatyar and other warlords.