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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/29/world ... ml?_r=1&hp

It'll be interesting to see as to what happens if push comes to shove...

Generals in Pakistan Push for Shake-Up of Government

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — The Pakistani military, angered by the inept handling of the country’s devastating floods and alarmed by a collapse of the economy, is pushing for a shake-up of the elected government, and in the longer term, even the removal of President Asif Ali Zardari and his top lieutenants.
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The military, preoccupied by a war against militants and reluctant to assume direct responsibility for the economic crisis, has made clear it is not eager to take over the government, as it has many times before, military officials and politicians said.

But the government’s performance since the floods, which have left 20 million people homeless and the nation dependent on handouts from skeptical foreign donors, has laid bare the deep underlying tensions between military and civilian leaders.

American officials, too, say it has left them increasingly disillusioned with Mr. Zardari, a deeply unpopular president who was elected two and a half years ago on a wave of sympathy after the assassination of his wife, former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto.

In a meeting on Monday that was played on the front page of Pakistan’s newspapers, the army chief, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, confronted the president and his prime minister, Yousaf Raza Gilani, over incompetence and corruption in the government.

According to the press and Pakistani officials familiar with the conversation, the general demanded that they dismiss at least some ministers in the oversized 60-member cabinet, many of whom face corruption charges.

The civilian government has so far resisted the general’s demand. But the meeting was widely interpreted by the Pakistani news media, which has grown increasingly hostile to the president, as a rebuke to the civilian politicians and as having pushed the government to the brink.
A report in a leading newspaper, The News, said Monday that Mr. Gilani and 25 of his ministers, including the finance minister, Hafiz Shaikh, did not pay income taxes at all, according to sworn affidavits by the ministers to the Election Commission of Pakistan.

The alarm about the economy was first sounded by Mr. Shaikh, a former officer of the World Bank, who told a meeting of political and military laeders last month that the government had enough money to pay only two months’ salaries. The economy was “teetering on the brink” before the floods but was now heading for the “abyss,” Mr. Shaikh was quoted as saying.

The military officers who attended were astounded, Mr. Hussain and others informed of the meeting said, and have pressed the government for changes, politicians and diplomats said.

As the military maneuvers for change, it is not immune from criticism. Defense spending is budgeted at 13.6 percent of total expenditures in 2011, in line with past yearly expenditures even as the civilian population suffers.

The defense budget remains beyond public scrutiny, a fact that increasingly irks the public. “Do we even know how much it costs taxpayers each year to make possible the office, the home, the car fleets, attendants, guest houses and other amenities that are enjoyed by the army chief or even a corps commander?” asked Babar Sattar, a lawyer who often writes about corruption.
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Altair wrote: WTF is this fetish to be in UNSC?
Exactly. +10 :!:
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If India were to ever join UNSC, it would suddenly become devalued overnight, just like G8 after Russia joined.
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Obama/US is testing water through Paid News of India. Seriously, I think Obama will do well to follow the Cameroon's India visit template.
1. Don't talk a word about Kashmir.
2. Soundly insult Pakis from within India.

That is the only approach that is likely to win friends here. Otherwise they should be prepared to hear "I am sorry. You must have mistaken us for someone who gives a damn about what you think"
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rgsrini wrote:Obama/US is testing water through Paid News of India.
Oh, more paid testing has happened in the recent past only...for instance:check this link. Not sure it will yield anything remotely resembling packee wet dreams only. BTW, ze sopissticated Oirostanis tried it with sri ombaba who kept the goodies and rebuffed them after that. Oiro soft power and ability to influence was never quite the same after that sad episode, mussay.LOL. Anyway, going OT for this dhaga.
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I agree with the "special category" mentioned by doc sahab. I think PHC (physically handicapped) quota seat may be offered to India after India gives up what it dearly wants and runs around with lota in hand.
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ramana wrote: Rangudu, Wasn't Kiyani the ISI chief when Daoud Gilani aka David Headley 'infiltrated' the TSP terrorist groups? And wasn't he liasoning with ISI? Albiet 'retired' folks per Pasha!
The question was directed towards Rangudu but I will jump in.

Here is what wiki says:
In October 2004, Ashfaq Kayani was made the director general of Inter-Services Intelligence, in place of General Ehsan ul Haq, who was promoted as the Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee. Kayani led the ISI during a bleak period, with insurgencies in North-West Pakistan and Balochistan, Abdul Qadeer Khan's nuclear proliferation scandal, and waves of suicide attacks throughout Pakistan emanating from the northwestern tribal belt. In his final days at the ISI, he also led the talks with Benazir Bhutto for a possible power sharing deal with Musharraf.[7] In October 2007, after three years, he was replaced at the ISI by Lt Gen Nadeem Taj.[8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashfaq_Parvez_Kayani

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According to this table:
http://karandixit.wordpress.com/2009/12/19/headley/ ,

Headley joined LeT in 2003 and worked with LeT till his arrest. Kayani was in ISI till 2007. So, Kayani and Headley definitely worked together.
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Plot to attack European cities by Pakistani militants foiled http://in.news.yahoo.com/43/20100929/88 ... by-pa.html

London, Sep 29 (IANS) A major terror plot by Pakistan-based militants to launch Mumbai-style attacks in Britain and other European countries has been thwarted by intelligence agencies, a media report said.

Pakistan-based militants were planning simultaneous strikes on London and major cities in France and Germany, Sky News reported on its website late Tuesday.

The plan was in the advanced but not imminent stage and plotters had been tracked by spy agencies 'for some time', said Sky's foreign affairs editor Tim Marshall.

Intelligence sources told Sky the planned attacks would have been similar to the commando-style raids carried out in Mumbai.

Then, Pakistan-based Islamist group Lashkar-e-Taiba killed 166 people in a series of gun and grenade attacks in the Indian city.

Marshall said the European plot had been 'severely disrupted' following intelligence sharing between Britain, France, Germany and the US.

It is not known whether the attackers are already in Europe.

News of the planned strikes came as the Eiffel Tower in Paris was evacuated because of a bomb scare for the second time in two weeks.

'It doesn't necessarily mean it was a target, but it shows how nervous the French are,' added Marshall.

When the terror plan came to light, the US military began helping its European allies by trying to kill the leaders behind the plot in Pakistan's Waziristan region.

There have been a record 20 missile attacks using drone aircraft there in the past 30 days.

'I am led to believe a number of these attacks were designed against the leadership of this particular plot, which had an Al Qaeda and possibly some sort of Taliban connection projecting into Europe,' Marshall added.

'And they have killed several of the leaders - which is why the terror threat has not risen.'


Britain's terror threat level remains at 'severe' following the attempted attack on Detroit airport last Christmas.


Plot to attack European cities foiled - Sky News http://in.news.yahoo.com/137/20100929/7 ... ile_1.html
Intelligence agencies have disrupted plans for multiple attacks on European cities by a group thought to be linked to al Qaeda, Sky News said on Tuesday.

Militants based in Pakistan were planning simultaneous strikes in London, as well as cities in France and Germany, the channel's foreign affairs editor Tim Marshall said.

He said an increase in drone attacks in Pakistan in the past few weeks was linked to attempts by Western powers to disrupt the plot, which was at an "advanced but not imminent stage".

Citing unidentified intelligence sources, Sky said the planned attacks would have been similar to the commando-style raids carried out in Mumbai by Pakistan-based gunmen in 2008.

The heavily armed militants launched an assault on various targets in Mumbai, including the Taj Mahal hotel and the city's main train station.
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"Obama should offer Security Council seat to Pakistan to stop international terrorism. It will be ONE MORE USA incentive to Pakistan to stop exporting terror".
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And, the good news keeps on coming. No money left to run government
While cutting down macroeconomic targets for 2010-11, the Asian Development Bank (ADB) on Tuesday declared there was no money left for running the federal government after paying for defence, subsidies, interest on loans and pensions.
Sung to the tune of "Where have all the flowers gone?"

Where have all the dollars gone?
Begging bowl is broken.
Where have all the dollars gone?
Given long time ago.
Where have all the dollars gone?
PA has pocketed them every one.
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?
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one twisted (perhaps?) perspective of EU scare is the story of how Uncle is a good uncle and helping their poodles. Otherwise it has been all economic war, $ vs Euro, protectionism, Greece crisis..there was just too much bad blood.

clearly talibs have been having a hard time and is reflected in the run rate which some folks here keep track of and add to that the flood, which has complicated matters for mango abduls and talibs alike.

But hey...does pakis have willingness to do something like this? - abs yes; are they capable of pulling something as murderous as 26/11? Abs Yes; Can they do the bidding of outsiders to do this even if it is not in their long term interest? Abs yes too.
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I completely agree with rgsrini. Obama should learn from the history and go with the flow. That is, Kashmir is an integral part of India. And, do not forget to add - Pakistan is a terror sponsor.
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Showdown at Wet Paki Gully

Generals angry with Zardari over deteriorating economy
The Pakistani military, angered by the inept handling of the country’s devastating floods and alarmed by a collapse of the economy, is pushing for a shake-up of the elected government, and in the longer term, even the removal of President Asif Ali Zardari and his top lieutenants, reports the New York Times.
In a series of meetings with the civilian leaders, the army chief, Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, scolded the president and his Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani for incompetence and corruption in the government, according to officials familiar with the conversations.
The general also demanded that they dismiss at least some ministers in the oversized 60-member cabinet, many of whom face corruption charges from past cases.
Gilani drew public ire for appearing at an ersatz camp for flood victims set up just for television cameras. It also did not help that newspapers reported that scores of cartons from the London luxury store Harrods had arrived at his residence in Lahore at the height of the flooding.
Wow! Only in the land of the pure (hogwash).
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Paquis know that their external loan will be forgiven 24-48 hours after JDAM going off in western city. Pakis have
master the art of keeping western nations hostage. They are like a wallstreet bankers.
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And, in the land of the pure (BS), magically Bank services for all purelanders by 2015
Around 70 percent of the population of Pakistan with currently no access to banking facilities will have financial services by 2015 through Easypaisa.
Easypaisa, a name well chosen for people who have known nothing else but...
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anupmisra wrote:And, in the land of the pure (BS), magically Bank services for all purelanders by 2015
Around 70 percent of the population of Pakistan with currently no access to banking facilities will have financial services by 2015 through Easypaisa.
Easypaisa, a name well chosen for people who have known nothing else but...
Pakis have issued 70 million or more CNICs (like our UID). This makes financial inclusion very very easy. They actually have some very innovative products already rolled out for the mango abdul.
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This wet towel is one for the record. Contrived outrage
It is about sustaining the manipulation of the emotions and identities of Pakistanis. The latest version of the topi drama, is the various volumes and tones being used to protest the sentencing of daughter of the nation, the izzat-e-awaam, rani-e-Pakistan, gulistan-e-Islam, the venerable Dr Aafia Siddiqui.
These dramatics are almost entirely contrived.
The key question that Pakistanis need to ask however is whether a national debate that has lasted not for weeks, or months, but now YEARS, about what the government should do to bring back Aafia, makes any sense.
And, this explains it all:
The only possible explanation for getting this worked up about Aafia Siddiqui is if we've consumed our lessons about Bin Qasim with such effervescent zeal, that we can't possibly fathom not all trying to be mini-Bin Qasims ourselves. For once, it seems our skewed reading of South Asian history does have serious consequences. Why do we allow our national discourse to be dominated by an individual's 86-year jail sentence when we've hosted another kind of 63-year sentence for a population that now possibly exceeds 180 million?
We're titillated by inanity and buffoonery, and we love it. The average Pakistani today, is wearing a big neon sign that says: Titillate me, please. You can't read the footnote, but I can bet it says, "Because I am gullible and easily entertained."
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anupmisra wrote:This wet towel is one for the record. Contrived outrage
It is about sustaining the manipulation of the emotions and identities of Pakistanis. The latest version of the topi drama, is the various volumes and tones being used to protest the sentencing of daughter of the nation, the izzat-e-awaam, rani-e-Pakistan, gulistan-e-Islam, ...

...
One funniest (even for a Paki) is this reaction: ..Tells it is all Haqqani's fault Story with an Interview (which in all likelihood all made up)
.. Cynthia McKinney: Haqqani Blocked Me From Sharing Info On Dr. Aafia With Pakistan Government
If he [Paki Amby] can grant visas to Blackwater types, why not me ? She questions ... :rotfl:

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan—Former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney says she was coming to Pakistan with information to share with the Government that could have helped avert the sentencing of Dr. Aafia Siddiqui but she was stopped by the Pakistani embassy in Washington from proceeding to Pakistan.
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ramana - it was ehsan-ul-haq
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AnupM,that was a lovely song,when will they ever learn indeed!

If India is going to be blocked for a UNSC seat by the US and co.,then we should threaten to leave the UN and I'm sure that there are many nations fed up with the UN's impotence,now even more enfeebled with a "Bunkum" Se.Gen.,who would like to club together and form a new strategic alliance of nations.Many developing nations,who bear the epithet "turd world" by their UNSC masters ,do not have to endure the humiliation of just making up the numbers.India must take the lead here and along with Brazil,S.Africa,Japan and a few other desrerviing cases for UNSC seats,jointly threaten to leave en-bloc if blackmail is the tool that the US is attemtping to use to succour its parasitical "rent-boy" Pak.

We must also stand very firm when the O-Team visits and lay down the diktat that continuing "arms for Pak" means "no arms purchases from India" and a balcklisting of US firms that supply arms to Pak.The Praful Patel incident was just another example of US insensivity to Indian politicos and VIPs,as if they didn't know who he was! If they truly didn't know who he was (Ha!Ha!),then the CIA/FBI whatever are run by the most incompetent ragtag bunch of latter-day "Keystone Cops".A concerted joint party parliamentary group must meet the PM well before Obama's visit and warn him that any attempt to sell out the country will result in nation-wide protests that would make the games going on in the Valley the quivalent of a boy scouts picnic.The public must also do there work in raising the issue at every forum where they can and enlighten the peoplem of India as to the diabolic plan of the US and Pak.
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anupmisra wrote:And, the good news keeps on coming. No money left to run government
While cutting down macroeconomic targets for 2010-11, the Asian Development Bank (ADB) on Tuesday declared there was no money left for running the federal government after paying for defence, subsidies, interest on loans and pensions.
Sung to the tune of "Where have all the flowers gone?"

Where have all the dollars gone?
Begging bowl is broken.
Where have all the dollars gone?
Given long time ago.
Where have all the dollars gone?
PA has pocketed them every one.
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?
Its better bakis modify their flag, change the crescent looks like a begging bowl and star as a coin, so that H&D of pakis and worlds's opinion on pukis are represented truly. If there are any good artists, please draw the flag with above description/
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kmkraoind wrote: Its better bakis modify their flag, change the crescent looks like a begging bowl and star as a coin, so that H&D of pakis and worlds's opinion on pukis are represented truly. If there are any good artists, please draw the flag with above description/
There you go

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This is a modification of the actual flag.

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Nice........

Yo bakis new national flags for you.
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Head nutjob in the nutty nation ponders: is TSP GUBOing to ISAF or GUBOing to NATO...

‘Sovereign guarantees’ vs sovereignty
By Shireen M Mazari | Published: September 29, 2010
Accompanying the drone attacks has been the growing presence of US overt and covert operatives across the length and breadth of Pakistan. This includes not only US Special Forces personnel, but also CIA, FBI operatives and the worse of the lot – the private contractors Dyncorps and Xe (formerly Blackwater) aided and abetted by Pakistani mercenaries. And, not a squeak of protest from Pakistani officialdom. It is as if the whole state machinery has become an amalgam of mercenaries selling out Pakistan and its people.

As for the military, its justification of not protecting its citizens and territory against attacks by the US military in the form of drone attacks is even more absurd - that they are simply following orders of the civilian government. What instructions were they following in Musharraf’s times? In any case, this country sacrifices a lot to sustain a heavy defence budget so that its armed forces are given the best of everything. But in return they expect this military to defend its borders and its citizens from external military attacks - not to support them and turn on its own people under external diktat.

Ironically, NATO has defended its forays into Pakistan as “right of self-defence”, while the Pakistanis seem to have no such right on their own territory! To confuse the issue, NATO is using the reference of ISAF and a UN mandate, when we all know that ISAF is not NATO and that NATO forcibly grabbed the ISAF UN mandate. The question of its legitimacy in the context of Afghanistan is critical because it has been expanding its mandate and operational milieu ever since the end of bipolarity.
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EU imposes new duties on Iran, Pakistan, UAE plastics (Reuters)
... Polyethylene terephthalate from Iran, Pakistan and the UAE -- used for bottles and food packaging -- will face EU import duties of 139.70 euros ($188.1), 44.02 euros and 42.34 euros per tonne respectively until 2015.
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Pakistan warns against more NATO raids (AP)
Pakistan has told NATO leaders it will stop protecting U.S. and NATO supply lines to Afghanistan if foreign aircraft stage further cross-border attacks against fleeing militants, security officials said Tuesday.
Analysts said there was little or no chance of Islamabad carrying though with it, however. :P
...Pakistani security officials say they are drawing a line at direct interference by U.S. and NATO manned aircraft.
Some 80 percent of non-lethal supplies for foreign forces fighting in landlocked Afghanistan cross over Pakistani soil after being unloaded at docks in Karachi, a port city in the south. Pakistani security forces provide security for the convoys, which are often attacked by militants as they travel north. While NATO and the United States have alternative supply routes, the Pakistani ones are the cheapest and most convenient.
While Pakistan may be unlikely to pull security from the NATO convoys, the threat is more credible than others it could make and does remind the U.S. of the leverage the country has in the relationship.
He said one possible explanation for Pakistan's reaction was its ever-present obsession with India, its historical and much larger enemy... the army was sending a signal that it would not accept Indian forces one day using the same justification to launch cross-border attacks on militants sheltering on its eastern flank.
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Oh crap! did they read my post yesterday? :(( :mrgreen:
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ramana wrote:^^^ Dont we have Indian Lt-Gens who command such number of troops?
The US Army is comparatively top-heavy compared to the IA.

US Army strength : Regular Army 549,015 soldiers; Army National Guard (ARNG) 358,391, United States Army Reserve (USAR) 205,297. Total Army strength 1,112,703 soldiers.
US Army 4-star generals : 11 active duty (1 four-star general per 50,000 active duty soldiers)

Indian Army strength : 1,100,000 Active personnel, 960,000 Reserve personnel. Total Army strength 2,060,000
Indian Army 4-star generals : 1

You can read it as being either too top-heavy, or offering more growth opportunities for the officer cadre. For the Indian officer corps, Lt Gen is the highest they can realistically hope to reach, if all the stars shine on their career. More realistically, Maj Gen. Whereas in the US, any solid performer will likely make it to his 4-star status and pension, not much different from the COAS.

For a force the size of IA, we should open up the top ranks a bit more, IMHO. Also useful for protocol purposes when meeting with foreign military.

BTW, US Navy has 12 four-star Admirals, USAF has 18 :eek: , and even the Marines have 5.
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archan wrote:Oh crap! did they read my post yesterday? :(( :mrgreen:
So by implication they are saying that if evil yindoos manage to arm the Israeli Droneacharya (Heron), they may be inclined to acquiesce to our demands for GUBO. :wink:
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X Posted.

The third of three articles in the Washington Post adapted from “Obama’s Wars” by the author Bob Woodward himself:

Obama: 'We need to make clear to people that the cancer is in Pakistan '

Having posted the third part, posting the first of three articles in the Washington Post adapted from “Obama’s Wars” by the author Bob Woodward himself for the record:

Military thwarted president seeking choice in Afghanistan

Followed by posting of the second of the three articles in the Washington Post adapted from “Obama’s Wars” by the author Bob Woodward himself also for the record:

Biden warned Obama during Afghan war review not to get 'locked into Vietnam '
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Ahem! GoI has started doing some deep-penetration psyops on Paquis. :twisted:
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Fidel Guevara wrote:
ramana wrote:^^^ Dont we have Indian Lt-Gens who command such number of troops?
The US Army is comparatively top-heavy compared to the IA.

US Army strength : Regular Army 549,015 soldiers; Army National Guard (ARNG) 358,391, United States Army Reserve (USAR) 205,297. Total Army strength 1,112,703 soldiers.
US Army 4-star generals : 11 active duty (1 four-star general per 50,000 active duty soldiers)

Indian Army strength : 1,100,000 Active personnel, 960,000 Reserve personnel. Total Army strength 2,060,000
Indian Army 4-star generals : 1

You can read it as being either too top-heavy, or offering more growth opportunities for the officer cadre. For the Indian officer corps, Lt Gen is the highest they can realistically hope to reach, if all the stars shine on their career. More realistically, Maj Gen. Whereas in the US, any solid performer will likely make it to his 4-star status and pension, not much different from the COAS.

For a force the size of IA, we should open up the top ranks a bit more, IMHO. Also useful for protocol purposes when meeting with foreign military.

BTW, US Navy has 12 four-star Admirals, USAF has 18 :eek: , and even the Marines have 5.

The civilians have all been shit scared of an Army coup and takeover since independence.

It shows in their vacuous policies, neglect and utter disregard. This shows up in things like under supply of even simple things like cold weather gear for the jawans on the glacier.

The paranoid stress on civilian control and the petty, mindless humiliation of the Armed Forces by the babu.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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Amber G. wrote: One funniest (even for a Paki) is this reaction: ..Tells it is all Haqqani's fault Story with an Interview (which in all likelihood all made up)
.. Cynthia McKinney: Haqqani Blocked Me From Sharing Info On Dr. Aafia With Pakistan Government
If he [Paki Amby] can grant visas to Blackwater types, why not me ? She questions ... :rotfl:

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan—former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney says she was coming to Pakistan with information to share with the Government that could have helped avert the sentencing of Dr. Aafia Siddiqui but she was stopped by the Pakistani embassy in Washington from proceeding to Pakistan.
Minor reminder to gentle folks about Former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney. This lady had major khujli when it came to India. She enjoyed support from Human Rights groups who espoused the Khalistan, EJ, Dalit and Muslim agenda in India. Her recorded statement in the Congressional Record - 107th Congress (2001-2002) will tell you all you need to know about her: INDIANS BOAST OF SUCCESSFUL INTERVENTION IN U.S. ELECTION -- HON. CYNTHIA A. McKINNEY (Extensions of Remarks - September 30, 2002).
HON. CYNTHIA A. McKINNEY OF GEORGIA - IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES - Monday, September 30, 2002

* Ms. McKINNEY. Mr. Speaker, as you know, I recently suffered a setback in my bid for reelection. I am beginning to get over the disappointment that I will no longer be able to serve the people of Georgia in the next Congress. I will miss serving.

* However, there were some alarming things about the campaign to defeat me that I think my colleagues of both parties should look out for. I am not talking about the Republicans who crossed over to vote for my opponent, but the heavy involvement of Indians in the primary. I am one of the Members of Congress who has tried to get out the truth about South Asia, and I am proud of that. Earlier this year, I was one of 42 Members of Congress who wrote to President Bush to urge the release of Sikh and other political prisoners in India.

* Apparently, this irritated the Indians because the newspaper article I am inserting in the RECORD along with this statement shows that they admitted that they invested heavily in the effort to defeat me. To my colleagues of both parties who have also been involved in the effort to expose India's brutal record, I say: Watch out; they are coming after you, too.

* India has a record of illegal interference in U.S. elections. Former Ambassador S.S. Ray publicly urged the reelection of former Senator Larry Pressler and in opposition to now Senator ROBERT TORRICELLI. An Indian American immigration lawyer named Lalit Gadhia funneled money from the Indian Embassy to Congressional candidates, according to the Baltimore Sun. Most of the candidates were of my party, people I am proud to have had as my colleagues during my service in Congress. But it is still illegal and wrong for India to funnel Embassy money to these Members' campaigns.

* Now I have become the latest political officeholder in India's cross hairs. I won't be the last unless their activities are exposed. Mr. Speaker, whether I am in office or not, I don't intend to let a foreign power determine the results of American elections if I can help it.

* Mr. Speaker, I would like to insert the article showing Indian involvement in my primary into the RECORD to help expose their activities.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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Hilary Clinton Wants Pakistan To Start Paying Its Fair Share (NPR)
"This is one of my pet peeves: Countries that will not tax their elites but expect us to come in and help them serve their people are just not going to get the kind of help from us that they have been getting," Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told an audience Tuesday at the U.S. Global Leadership Coalition conference.

"Pakistan cannot have a tax rate of 9 percent of GDP when land owners and all of the other elites do not pay anything or pay so little it's laughable, and then when there's a problem everybody expects the United States and others to come in and help," Clinton said to a round of applause. She noted that Pakistan's finance minister is now presenting a package of economic and tax reforms.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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McKinney is collection of dreadlocks flying in relatively close formation. She also had a problem or two with da Powlice!

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/8442213/detail.html
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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^Gerard used to post this hideous pic of her...its not good to laugh at people's looks, but this woman is a vile one. Our resident pokey-noses even traced her behavior as a result of a paki bf.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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RajeshA wrote:
Ahem! GoI has started doing some deep-penetration psyops on Paquis. :twisted:
Krishna lost some image after the Pillai-Qureshi thing and its aftermath in the South Block. He is trying to play some kabaddi here and salvage some image boost. Just not that type..
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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"Pakistan cannot have a tax rate of 9 percent of GDP when land owners and all of the other elites do not pay anything or pay so little it's laughable, and then when there's a problem everybody expects the United States and others to come in and help
Is Hillary-ammi the FM of USA or the Viceroy of Poakland?

Which other country will actually be proud of the fact that the FM of some 3rd country is suggesting and explaining its tax structure?? :roll: :roll:
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